15-Year-Old Drunk Prostitute Refuses to Have Sex with John then Kills Him

[Lizard]

WA - A 15-year-old girl has been charged with second-degree murder in the April 4 stabbing death of Noe Pena, 49.

Deputies had an encounter with the suspect before learning about Pena's death. Around 12:30 a.m. on the night of Pena's death, his neighbor called 911 to report a very drunk teenage girl had broken a window and was pounding on the door.

Police arrived to find the teen intoxicated and belligerent, bleeding from the wrist.The girl was taken to hospital and released to her mother the next morning. Police noted that she had $150 in her purse.

Four days later, the victim's body was discovered in his home after a co-worker called deputies say Pena hadn't shown up for work for three days.

Deputies found the man in his garage, with a single fatal stab wound to his chest. The garage door was open, but his body had been concealed by a garbage can and a lawn mower.

The murder weapon, a knife, was found near the body. A fingerprint was found on the knife, which led detectives to the suspect.

The girl said she had a prearranged prostitution date with Pena on Friday, April 4. She was to be paid $120 for sex. The suspect went to his house with him and started drinking whiskey with him but then changed her mind about having sex and called friends to come get her. She and Pena argued and went into the garage.

The girl said Pena grabbed her by the hair in the garage, forcing her to punch him. But Pena was not bleeding when she left, she said.

When investigators told her there was blood found inside the house, the suspect conceded that she "might have grabbed something" which, she later admitted, was a knife from a shelf in the garage.

The suspect said she "might have struck him" during the scuffle because she though Pena had something "sharp" or "shiny" in his hand.

She told detectives she later returned and went through the victim's pockets to remove evidence but denied taking any money. She said she also took his laptop, fearing the police would find her information on it.

http://www.komotv.com/news/17760689.html

[Lizard]

The girl, now 16, has pleaded guilty to manslaughter and will probably spend 2 years in juvenile detention.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/...ml?source=mypi

[Desi]

OK Wait a minute.... 15 year old prostitute.... mother picks up kid from hospital..... I hope this girls mother had no idea that her 15 year old daughter was a prostitute because if so, shows how some americans are raising their children today..

[Boondock]

Ok, so the police found her outside of a house that had a broken window (presumably from her since she was cut) and the garage door was open. Yet they didn't bother going in to see if the resident was harmed? I know search warrants are needed and all but it seems like if there is a reasonable assumption that someone could need help then they should be allowed to go in.

[Menasyng]

Good for her. Nothing says "no" like a well placed piece of sharpened steel.

[jenthgr8]

Why is this baby selling her body on the streets in the first place? She's fucking 15. Where were her parents? This is just appalling on so many levels. This poor child's future is ruined. I do not advocate murder, ever, but if I did, this guy would be the best victim I could possibly present. He was in the process of paying a paltry sum to sleeep with a fucking teenager. Disgusting. This case is just tragic all around.

[Menasyng]

Why is this baby selling her body on the streets in the first place? She's fucking 15. Where were her parents? This is just appalling on so many levels. This poor child's future is ruined. I do not advocate murder, ever, but if I did, this guy would be the best victim I could possibly present. He was in the process of paying a paltry sum to sleeep with a fucking teenager. Disgusting. This case is just tragic all around.

The age had nothing to do with it. That's just perception. Women were being married much younger no more than 100 years ago. Her selling her body is her own choice. Don't blame her mistakes on the parents. She is more than old enough to know what she was doing. It's not like she was 6 years old. She is a woman, one that was selling herself to make money, she wasn't being raped by her customers. She was willingly involving herself in sexual acts in exchange for money.

Don't try to turn this around as if she was an innocent "baby" that shouldn't have been on the streets to begin with.


Oh, and for the record, if it were my daughter, I would be disappointed, but I wouldn't blame anyone for her actions. She knew what she was doing, it was her decision, not mine. Granted, she shouldn't have been dumb enough to put herself in that situation, but that has to do with common sense (something MANY people are lacking at present time), not her promiscuity.

[Rotten Apple]

The age had nothing to do with it. That's just perception. Women were being married much younger no more than 100 years ago. Her selling her body is her own choice. Don't blame her mistakes on the parents. She is more than old enough to know what she was doing. It's not like she was 6 years old. She is a woman, one that was selling herself to make money, she wasn't being raped by her customers. She was willingly involving herself in sexual acts in exchange for money.

Don't try to turn this around as if she was an innocent "baby" that shouldn't have been on the streets to begin with.

You are missing the point entirely. At 15, a person's parents still has alot of influence on what their children do...at least good very involved parents do.

Underage or adults, a woman that would choose to sell her body for income has obviously got some issues somewhere. At 15, most children are still being fully supported by their parents and do not even require a separate income. Where were her parents to not know where the hell this girl was and who she was with to have the time to sell her body in the first place?

Sure at 15 she knew what she was doing. But keerist, at 15 wtf happened in that girl's life to make her decide that laying underneath sweaty old disgusting grunting men was a cool way for some quick cash?

Shoplifting, partying, sneaking out with boys at 15, I can understand. Fucking 42 year old men for a buck? Nope.

But other than that, she's a murderer, lock her jailbait ass up.

[Menasyng]

You are missing the point entirely. At 15, a person's parents still has alot of influence on what their children do...at least good very involved parents do.

Underage or adults, a woman that would choose to sell her body for income has obviously got some issues somewhere. At 15, most children are still being fully supported by their parents and do not even require a separate income. Where were her parents to not know where the hell this girl was and who she was with to have the time to sell her body in the first place?

Sure at 15 she knew what she was doing. But keerist, at 15 wtf happened in that girl's life to make her decide that laying underneath sweaty old disgusting grunting men was a cool way for some quick cash?

Shoplifting, partying, sneaking out with boys at 15, I can understand. Fucking 42 year old men for a buck? Nope.

Again that's it's all perception.

When you were 15, what stopped you from lying under 42 year old men for cash? Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean it was wrong. She is old enough to make the decision, for whatever reason, and she is more than old enough to commit the sexual acts she did.

There is nothing wrong with a 15 year old selling her body. Granted it's a bit ridiculous for her to have to, but there is nothing physically, or psychologically wrong with a woman's decision to do that. It may be against some prude individual's morals, but if she can get paid for doing something that gives her pleasure, why not?

Honestly, isn't that what most people try to do in life? Find a profession that they are both good at and really enjoy? People shouldn't let their personal preference get in the way of common sense.


And what exactly do her parents have to do with it? They weren't around? SHE'S 15! She is more than old enough to survive on her own, yes, she shouldn't have to, but you don't know what went on in her house, nor does the press. The parents shouldn't be blamed because the daughter decided to make some extra money doing what she likes.

You yourself just said that you can understand sneaking out, getting drunk and all of that. Well, if this incident never happened, the parents and friends would just assume that she was doing those things. No one would have been the wiser.

But other than that, she's a murderer, lock her jailbait ass up.

Troof.

[Rotten Apple]

Again that's it's all perception.

When you were 15, what stopped you from lying under 42 year old men for cash? Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean it was wrong. She is old enough to make the decision, for whatever reason, and she is more than old enough to commit the sexual acts she did.

There is nothing wrong with a 15 year old selling her body. Granted it's a bit ridiculous for her to have to, but there is nothing physically, or psychologically wrong with a woman's decision to do that. It may be against some prude individual's morals, but if she can get paid for doing something that gives her pleasure, why not?

Honestly, isn't that what most people try to do in life? Find a profession that they are both good at and really enjoy? People shouldn't let their personal preference get in the way of common sense.

At 15, my parents kept me from laying under 42 year old men for money. Like I said they knew pretty much everything I did. And if they didn't, i was 15 and like most 15 year old girls, shallow. There wasn't a 42 year old man in the world that I found attractive enough to get naked with.
And even then, I had better self esteem and was taught to value myself more than that. i was also well aware of the dangers of getting into a activity like that. I had other things to do.

And you can call her a woman all you want, but she's not. 15 is 15, physically mature, maybe, mentally, not so much.

You are also assuming that all sexual acts give women pleasure, no matter the circumstances. WRONG. If a female is not physically aroused, its just plain old boring tedious work. Painful even if there isn't massive amounts of lube handy.
And sorry, there has to be some physical attraction or emotional connection for a female to become aroused. This is not usually the case in hooker-john scenarios. You have some stranger who has to PAY for sex getting sweat and various other body fluids on you. And you are risking your life putting yourself in a such a vulnerable situation.

Again, did this girls parents teach her anything?

[Menasyng]

At 15, my parents kept me from laying under 42 year old men for money. Like I said they knew pretty much everything I did. And if they didn't, i was 15 and like most 15 year old girls, shallow. There wasn't a 42 year old man in the world that I found attractive enough to get naked with.

And that would be you. That's not the case with every girl.

And even then, I had better self esteem and was taught to value myself more than that. i was also well aware of the dangers of getting into a activity like that. I had other things to do.

You seem to be letting your own opinions cloud rational thought. Obviously you are a very different person than this girl, but that doesn't make her actions wrong. Self esteem has nothing to do with it.

And you can call her a woman all you want, but she's not. 15 is 15, physically mature, maybe, mentally, not so much.

No, she is a woman. Mentality has little to do with it. Just because she doesn't have the experience that comes with age doesn't mean she is less capable of making a decision that appeals to her.

You are also assuming that all sexual acts give women pleasure, no matter the circumstances. WRONG.

Did I say that? No. I said she founds something that she gets pleasure from doing. I get pleasure from teaching, but does that mean I climax while doing it? Get your mind out of the gutter.

If a female is not physically aroused, its just plain old boring tedious work.

So is construction. Arousal has nothing to do with it. No one was forcing her to do the work, she chose to do it. If it was too painful for her, than she could always stop. Who are you to say that she didn't get aroused from it.

Again, you are allowing your perception get in the way of common sense.

And sorry, there has to be some physical attraction or emotional connection for a female to become aroused.

Not true in the least. Maybe for you, but to think otherwise is ignorant. Everyone gets aroused differently.

This is not usually the case in hooker-john scenarios. You have some stranger who has to PAY for sex getting sweat and various other body fluids on you. And you are risking your life putting yourself in a such a vulnerable situation.

Some people get off on that risk. Just like others get off on having to pay for sex. Not everyone HAS to pay for sex, some just like the risk, and the rush you would get from it.

Again, you are coming off as very ignorant. You're putting yourself in her shoes as opposed to looking at it from the outside. There is nothing morally wrong with her choice of profession. The only thing that would even be considered wrong was her decision to end that mans life.

Again, did this girls parents teach her anything?

Wait, so the parents had to teach her to not do what makes her happy (because it had to have made her happy in some way in order for her to do it sexually of even monetary)? Did your parents flat out tell you not to become a prostitute, or did you find that it would be something you would never be able to do on your own.

Why are the parents involved at all? They had nothing to do with her decision to become a prostitute, nor he decision to kill.

[Rotten Apple]

And that would be you. That's not the case with every girl.

Well, yeah , you asked...remember?

No, she is a woman. Mentality has little to do with it. Just because she doesn't have the experience that comes with age doesn't mean she is less capable of making a decision that appeals to her.

No, she is a girl. She may find that prostitution appeals to her, but that is a life changing choice. Most 15 year olds do not have the knowledge to appropriately weight the pros and cons of such a choice.

Did I say that? No. I said she founds something that she gets pleasure from doing. I get pleasure from teaching, but does that mean I climax while doing it? Get your mind out of the gutter.

Does teaching cause you physical pain?

So is construction. Arousal has nothing to do with it. No one was forcing her to do the work, she chose to do it. If it was too painful for her, than she could always stop. Who are you to say that she didn't get aroused from it.

Who are you to say that she did?

Again, you are allowing your perception get in the way of common sense.

And you are allowing your little fantasy world where 15 year olds make fully informed decisions get in the way of considering things in the real one we happen to live in.

Not true in the least. Maybe for you, but to think otherwise is ignorant. Everyone gets aroused differently.

So arousal is not physical? Or emotional? If I get turned on by midgets in duck costumes, is that not a physical or emotional(mental) connection? Are you telling me that I will still find a way to be turned on by a someone who doesn't appeal to me at all?

Some people get off on that risk. Just like others get off on having to pay for sex. Not everyone HAS to pay for sex, some just like the risk, and the rush you would get from it.

The world is not like Pretty Woman and she wasn't a high class call girl from an escort service. She was a street hooker. You get what you get. most of her customers were probably hard up, or looking for something that they could not do with the wifey at home.

Again, you are coming off as very ignorant. You're putting yourself in her shoes as opposed to looking at it from the outside. There is nothing morally wrong with her choice of profession.

And you are coming off as very delusional. Well adjusted, healthy 15 year old girls do not want to have sex for money. Maybe in some Barely Legal fantasy forum.

I'm all for legalized prostitution. Consenting adults can do whatever they want. i really don't care. However, in most states, 15 year olds cannot hold a job without parents permission, in addition to some other very strict rules. I doubt she had that.

Wait, so the parents had to teach her to not do what makes her happy (because it had to have made her happy in some way in order for her to do it sexually of even monetary)?

You are assuming this made her happy. And hell yeah, a parent's responsibility is to keep their children safe. Prostitution is not safe, as clearly demonstrated by her murdering this guy. He allegedly assaulted her. Eating ice cream and candy for all three meals every single day would make my daughter extremely happy, but how responsible a parent would I be if I allowed it?

Did your parents flat out tell you not to become a prostitute, or did you find that it would be something you would never be able to do on your own.

Ok, so one minute I am allowed to use personal experience in this and the next I'm not? ok.

To answer your question. They did not need to tell me not to become a prostitute because they instilled some sense of right and wrong in me. I also had other choices so I did not ever have the desire.

Why are the parents involved at all? They had nothing to do with her decision to become a prostitute, nor he decision to kill.

Bullshit. You demonstrate to me that this girl came from a happy healthy home environment with caring parents who were responsible and attentive, and I'll concede. You won't find many prostitutes like that out there.

[brokenandtwisted]

So instead of getting a job at McDonald's, she became a prostitute? Oh gee...she's actually intelligent. She'll have a car, apartment, no debt for university.

Then she had to fuck it all up and kill someone. Jackass...

[Menasyng]

No, she is a girl. She may find that prostitution appeals to her, but that is a life changing choice. Most 15 year olds do not have the knowledge to appropriately weight the pros and cons of such a choice.

That's sociological. Developmentally, she is a woman. Your argument is flawed. You're allowing personal preference and assumptions get in the way of what actually went on.

You are accusing me of being delusional, when all I'm doing i saying that there is nothing wrong wit ha 15 year old who wants to sell herself on the street. Society would like people to believe there is for moral and ethical reasons, but all of those reasons are perceptive.

She was 15, and she was a prostitute. Her parents shouldn't even be in the equation.

Let's say, for arguments sake that the girl was a "horrible" family, what weight would that have on her decision? The fact that she doesn't see herself in the same light as a girl from a "normal" family should have no bearing on this discussion. Regardless of their upbringing a 15 year old girl has every right to sell her body. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong. It just means you are letting you personal views get in the way of your better judgment.


Is it an unconventional decision? Yes. Does it risk her health? Yes. Would either one of us do it? Probably not, but there is no reason to judge her because of that decision.

It isn't wrong, and it isn't something she should be ashamed of. Neither is it something her parents should be blamed for. They could have brought her up as an honor student with as much wisdom as possible and she still could have made the decision to sell herself. You're just bent out of shape because of her age and what you perceive to be an invasion of "innocence." I, on the other hand, see no problem with it.

Does teaching cause you physical pain?

Sometimes, yes. As does sex.

Who are you to say that she did?

Someone who is looking at BOTH sides.

And you are allowing your little fantasy world where 15 year olds make fully informed decisions get in the way of considering things in the real one we happen to live in.

You're right, it is a fantasy for people to treat teenagers like human beings and not misguided children. God forbid someone gives them the benefit of doubt. When I was 15 I was making fully informed decisions with no problem. Jesus cocksucking Christ society is unbelievable. WE expect kids to be able to make decisions like not do drugs, and not have unprotected sex, but anything else is too much? Bullshit. I know 15 year old girls that are raising kids and working 40 hours a week while paying their bills. Again, you're letting yourself come off ignorant because of your preferences.

So arousal is not physical? Or emotional? If I get turned on by midgets in duck costumes, is that not a physical or emotional(mental) connection? Are you telling me that I will still find a way to be turned on by a someone who doesn't appeal to me at all?

Did I say that it was neither physical or emotional? I merely said that what would turn you on, doesn't work the same for others.

The world is not like Pretty Woman and she wasn't a high class call girl from an escort service. She was a street hooker. You get what you get. most of her customers were probably hard up, or looking for something that they could not do with the wifey at home.

Exactly, so who are you to sit in judgment? If she didn't like it for whatever reason, she wouldn't go back on the street the next day. Even if she had to, it's still her choice to go back out there.

And you are coming off as very delusional. Well adjusted, healthy 15 year old girls do not want to have sex for money. Maybe in some Barely Legal fantasy forum.

Actually, a lot of the ones I have known in my life (in many different situations, and states) have considered it, if only in jest, or for an ridiculous amount of money. Sex isn't always emotional, or about love, it's just a base urge that needs to be addressed every now and then.

I'm all for legalized prostitution.

You don't come off that way.

Consenting adults can do whatever they want. i really don't care. However, in most states, 15 year olds cannot hold a job without parents permission, in addition to some other very strict rules. I doubt she had that.

Adulthood has nothing to do with age. You are an adult medically before you are legally. Society doesn't give human enough credit.

[Rotten Apple]

It just means you are letting you personal views get in the way of your better judgment.

umm...yeah...

LMAO!

My better judgment tells me that 15 year olds should be out having fun and being teens, not raising a baby working 40 hours a week.

I'm sure those teens you know, would rather be out having fun too. Parents would try to steer their children away from making mistakes like that.

You're just bent out of shape because of her age and what you perceive to be an invasion of "innocence." I, on the other hand, see no problem with it.

Do you mean, I want 15 year olds to remain virgins? Haha! I'm not delusional. You are assuming alot. I am talking about making informed decisions here when I talk about age.

Legally, I'm responsible for my daughter until she is at least 18. If she contracts a disease, gets pregnant, gets hurt, gets killed, it will be my legal responsibility to take care of her physically and financially. I can't just wash my hands of her because you think she is old enough to make her own decisions. I'd be in all kinds of legal trouble for abandoning her. So this girls parents failed miserably.

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I'm all for legalized prostitution.

You don't come off that way.

Why? Because I think a 15 year old is too young to make that kind of decision? Quit assuming. As far as I'm concerned, prostitution is a victimless crime as long as both adults are consenting and they are of legal age.

But we won't ever agree. So I'm not even gonna try. You are trying to turn this into an age of consent debate when all we are wondering is where this girls parents failed.

[Menasyng]

But we won't ever agree. So I'm not even gonna try. You are trying to turn this into an age of consent debate when all we are wondering is where this girls parents failed.

Not at all. I'm trying to point out that regardless of how you and I feel, neither the girl, or the parents are in the wrong about her decision to become a prostitute.

Age of consent laws mean nothing when it comes to adulthood. I prefer them the way that they are, because it helps prevent things like this from happening, but to write off a girl and her parents because she made a decision that up until the murder effected her and her life alone? That's ridiculous.

Her parents didn't fail. You don't know that they weren't there and I don't know that they were. Her decision had nothing to do with the parents.

Just because a person is under "legal" age does not mean that their parents are to blame for their less than popular decisions. Hell in NY, as with may other states, legally all a parent is legally required to give a child is food, shelter, clothing and reasonable supervision. Everything else is perceptive.

That's what my side of the argument is about. The fact that people are calling this girl a "baby", and blaming the parents. Common sense seems lost on most people.

[jenthgr8]

The age had nothing to do with it. That's just perception. Women were being married much younger no more than 100 years ago. Her selling her body is her own choice. Don't blame her mistakes on the parents. She is more than old enough to know what she was doing. It's not like she was 6 years old. She is a woman, one that was selling herself to make money, she wasn't being raped by her customers. She was willingly involving herself in sexual acts in exchange for money.

Don't try to turn this around as if she was an innocent "baby" that shouldn't have been on the streets to begin with.


Oh, and for the record, if it were my daughter, I would be disappointed, but I wouldn't blame anyone for her actions. She knew what she was doing, it was her decision, not mine. Granted, she shouldn't have been dumb enough to put herself in that situation, but that has to do with common sense (something MANY people are lacking at present time), not her promiscuity.

How can you seriously say 15 years old is a woman? And I'm not talking about age of consent, I mean the changes taking place in an adolescent brain. 15 years old is not old enough to fully realize the consequences of your actions, regardless of how grownup you think you are.

For the record, I was 15 when I got pregnant and made the decision to keep my baby. I had a lot of support from my very disappointed parents, but now that my daughter is almost 15, I can see that at that age, you are not an adult. You are not a "woman" no matter how grown up your body looks or how many big decisions you think you can handle. 15 is still a child. A 15 year old has no business making those kinds of choices. Period.

I don't blame the parents, but I am curious as to what they were doing while their kid was off selling her body. My mom was so drugged up when I was that age, that she didn't have the slightest clue what I was up to. I totally get how a teen can deceive their parents and all, but in normal, healthy family units, mom and dad should have seen and questioned some of this kid's behaviors. That's what parents are for.

And I strongly feel that people who decide that 15 years old is a "woman" are using the same rationale that the sickoes who prey on these kids do. And they often use the argument that hundreds of years ago, girls younger than that were getting married and starting families.

[Menasyng]

How can you seriously say 15 years old is a woman? And I'm not talking about age of consent, I mean the changes taking place in an adolescent brain. 15 years old is not old enough to fully realize the consequences of your actions, regardless of how grownup you think you are.

Because until I switched my makor I was three years into getting my doctorate. And medically as well as psychologically, 15 is adulthood.

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For the record, I was 15 when I got pregnant and made the decision to keep my baby. I had a lot of support from my very disappointed parents, but now that my daughter is almost 15, I can see that at that age, you are not an adult. You are not a "woman" no matter how grown up your body looks or how many big decisions you think you can handle. 15 is still a child. A 15 year old has no business making those kinds of choices. Period.

That's your opinion, but it's not fact. Again, this conversation isn't about opinion. It doesn't matter what you or I think, the FACTS remain the same.

I don't blame the parents, but I am curious as to what they were doing while their kid was off selling her body.

Probably more important things then keeping tabs on their 15 year old child like she was a prisoner.

My mom was so drugged up when I was that age, that she didn't have the slightest clue what I was up to. I totally get how a teen can deceive their parents and all, but in normal, healthy family units, mom and dad should have seen and questioned some of this kid's behaviors. That's what parents are for.

There is no such thing as a normal, or healthy family. And even if they did question her, would that have stopped her? Obviously not. '

And that isn't what parents are for.

And I strongly feel that people who decide that 15 years old is a "woman" are using the same rationale that the sickoes who prey on these kids do. And they often use the argument that hundreds of years ago, girls younger than that were getting married and starting families.

Uhm, hundreds of years? Try publicly in the 1920's and in some places the 1980s. By the by, this was happening in America. Jesus, crack a textbook people.



Again, my opinion, and your opinion have no place in this discussion. The 15 year old in question is medically an adult. Regardless of how our society hinders psychological growth in our children, but treating them as such until they are "legally" adults, she was still a woman.

[jenthgr8]

I'm still not buying what you're selling, Menasyng. But that's cool. You're right, our opinions don't really matter or have a place in this case. I'll still stick by mine, and you can stick with yours, and we'll agree to disagree.

[Menasyng]

I'm still not buying what you're selling, Menasyng. But that's cool. You're right, our opinions don't really matter or have a place in this case. I'll still stick by mine, and you can stick with yours, and we'll agree to disagree.

Well my opinion wasn't really brought out in the discussion. I was merely correcting people with facts.

MY opinion is that the girl, as fucked as it is, had the right to sell her body. Sure the parents should have been there, but every parent makes mistakes, their's was just really horrible.

[jenthgr8]

Sure he parents should have been there, but every parent makes mistakes, their's was just really horrible.

Totally agreed. Very horrible! I mean, I've forgotten to send my kid to school with lunch money before, twice in the last 9 years. And I felt like the world's worst mother. Good to know I can always do worse.

[Menasyng]

Totally agreed. Very horrible! I mean, I've forgotten to send my kid to school with lunch money before, twice in the last 9 years. And I felt like the world's worst mother. Good to know I can always do worse.

Truth, but then again, was it really her parents mistake? Or was it the girls bad decision to kill the guy? Where did they come into play? I mean they had no bearing on her decision to become a prostitute OR murder. She made that choice on her own. The parents shouldn't be at blame.

[brokenandtwisted]

I think fifteen is a right/wrong age. You know what's morally right and what's morally wrong, and can act upon morals. I wouldn't equate that with maturity but she definitely knew the consequences of her actions, what prostitution involves, and her age; of course she'd inevitably be taken advantage of. External influences such as her parents however should be at least questioned. What were they doing with this child? How did they treat her? What drove her to prostitution?

[polis]

Alright, 15 a female can be medically seen as an adult. Sure, I'll give you that, but you really must be ignorant if you believe age, and hormonal growth are the sole factors on what makes an adult. This girl could have had the emotional and mental age of 7 year old, however we don't know that. We can't assume that she has a sound mind because obviously she doesn't, she's a fucking prostitute.

Seriously, the parents regardless of free will are to have some blame because they are supposed to ensure her ass is becoming a productive, sound minded citizen. However we don't know the situation about the parents nor the relationship with the girl. Again, to only assume that they only made small bad decisions and they really shouldn't hold weight on the decision process this girl has, to say the least, one-sided and lacking.

The guy got what he deserved by exploiting an under age person, even if she is medically an adult.

Thanks for the warped perception, I did enjoy the smirking it caused.

[Aelwynn]

While I can understand that medically someone can be of physical health and sound mind to be a medically termed "adult". But even still, in most states, the age of 15 does not make them a legal adult.

The age of 18 is when children/teenagers can stop listening to their parents, stop following their parent's rules, the courts can stop holding the parent's legally responsible for their child, AND a teenager can go to a doctor's appointment without having mommy or daddy there to hold their hand. Because of this, it is the age of the "consent".

Whether or not someone has physically matured to that of an adult is an entirely different matter when dealing with teenagers. Teenagers usually don't understand what the world is like, nor how to correctly make choices. Because of this, most states do not charge teenagers as adults until the age of 17-18. It's rare, but sometimes we see it at 15-16. This is only because of their MENTAL status, not their physical status as an adult.

Because this girl was out prostituting for however long, I feel that the parents should be held accountable for child endangerment or at least something. A teen is supposed to sneak outta the house, NOT sneak out to meet a John. It makes me wonder why this teenager was doing it in the first place. What kind of image does that leave on the parents? ;P

While I think it was wrong that the man died, I can't help but think he got what he deserved for trying to have sex with a minor illegally. He knew the consequences of HIS actions, but did she? I'm almost positive her thought that night wasn't that she was going to be attempted rape, and murdering someone. But HIS was to attempt to force this girl to have sex, even if she didn't want it. With someone underage and paying them.

I look at her as protecting herself, and I look at him paying to have sex with a minor. Which is worse? The girl for taking the money and trying to run with it, then accidentally stapping a guy to get him off her? Or the guy for paying to have sex with a child?

[Lizard]

Alright, 15 a female can be medically seen as an adult. Sure, I'll give you that, but you really must be ignorant if you believe age, and hormonal growth are the sole factors on what makes an adult.

I've been following -- and enjoying -- the discussion over this issue. I don't have a unique viewpoint to add to the discussion but did want to point out (more specifically than has been done until now) that another factor that determines what is "an adult" is cultural factors. Obviously, in America, achieving the ability to reproduce does not equal maturity, but that factor may carry more weight in other cultures.

And the wicked side of me wants to point out that someone should have taught this girl the value of a verbal contract when it comes to business transactions....

[polis]

I've been following -- and enjoying -- the discussion over this issue. I don't have a unique viewpoint to add to the discussion but did want to point out (more specifically than has been done until now) that another factor that determines what is "an adult" is cultural factors. Obviously, in America, achieving the ability to reproduce does not equal maturity, but that factor may carry more weight in other cultures.

And the wicked side of me wants to point out that someone should have taught this girl the value of a verbal contract when it comes to business transactions....

True cultural factors do play an important role, and they vary extremely even between the same ethnicity. True about verbal contracts...but if you want to get down to the technical, he should have tried taken her to court inside of trying to force her ;)

[crickett]

Well my opinion wasn't really brought out in the discussion. I was merely correcting people with facts.

MY opinion is that the girl, as fucked as it is, had the right to sell her body. Sure the parents should have been there, but every parent makes mistakes, their's was just really horrible.

These are NOT facts and people do NOT need YOU to "correct"/patronize them.