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    4-year-old Christopher Milke's Killer Mom may get new trial

    This ruined my night when I stumbled on it, so I thought I ruin all of yours to.

    For those who are unfamiliar with the Christopher Milke case heres the back story (totally infuriating).

    - On December 2, 1989, James Lynn Styers filed a missing child report, advising police that his roommates's son, Christopher Milke (age 4), had disappeared during their visit to Metrocenter mall. Roger Mark Scott was present with Styers.

    On December 3, 1989, Scott admitted during a police interview that he had accompanied Styers the previous day to a desert wash in the area of 99th Avenue and Jomax Road where Styers lead Christopher after telling him they were taking him to see Santa Claus and executed him . Styers agreed to provide Scott with $250 to file a social security claim. Styers believed he would receive some of Christopher's $5,000 life insurance policy. At the conclusion of the interview, Mr. Scott led police to the desert area where they found Christopher Milke's body.

    During a police interview, Debra Jean Milke, Christopher Milke's mother, conceded that she had conspired with Styers to have her son killed. She indicated that it would be better to have her son die than grow up like her husband.

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    Miranda Rights at the Center of Debra Milke Appeal
    Updated: Monday, 11 Jan 2010, 6:04 PM MST
    Published : Monday, 11 Jan 2010, 6:04 PM MST

    PHOENIX - Debra Milke has been on death row for 20 years, convicted of having her son killed for a share of an insurance policy. But now she could get a new trial -- and it's all because of questions surrounding her alleged confession.

    A Phoenix detective says she confessed to the whole sordid crime, but did he violate her Miranda rights? The interrogation was never recorded, and Milke never signed a waiver giving up her right to remain silent.

    Last year, a federal appeals court in California found there was no evidence Milke waived her Miranda rights. Now a federal judge in Phoenix is taking a fresh look.

    4-year-old Christopher Milke was taken into the desert by two men and shot three times in December 1989. Milke's live-in boyfriend, James Lynn Styers, and his friend Roger Mark Scott, were also convicted in the plot.

    In court Monday, Milke told a federal judge that Detective Armando Saldate badgered her during the murder interrogation. And even after she asked for a lawyer, she says he wouldn't stop asking questions.

    An attorney who wrote a friend-of-the-court brief for Milke's attorney says it's outrageous the interrogation was never taped.

    "I think most civilized people now understand it is inexcusable for law enforcement deliberately to make a decision not to record an interrogation in any homicide case or serious felony," says attorney Larry Hammond.

    Under friendly questioning by the Arizona Attorney General's office, former detective Armando Saldate testified that Milke knew exactly what was going on during questioning, and that she confessed.

    Milke's attorneys portrayed Saldate as a fame-hungry cop who repeatedly ignored Miranda warnings, questioning suspects in a number of cases even after they asked for a lawyer and the right to remain silent.

    Saldate says he asked Debra Milke if she wanted the interrogation taped, and she said no. But her attorneys disagree.

    If the federal judge decides that Milke's confession violated the law, he could throw it out and order a new trial. The hearing continues on Tuesday.

    Source: http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news...peal-1-11-2010
    This makes me so mad! I'll take 5 bucks to do to her what she did to her little boy.
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    I wish I could thank you more than once for bringing this case up!

    They killed a precious little boy for $1,667 each. That's what his life was worth to them.

    I do think that cops can go overboard and violate people's rights but this is fucking ridiculous.

    If they have enough evidence to prove she conspired to kill this child for the reason stated I say give her the new trial and then give her the shot to rid the world of her skanky ass forever.

    I would like any and all information about this case that you may have available because I would like to get a better sense of what they have on her/them. I will do some looking as well.

    Thank you for remembering this child and telling the world what happened. No child deserves to be forgotten!
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    Quote Originally Posted by badfish76 View Post
    I wish I could thank you more than once for bringing this case up!

    They killed a precious little boy for $1,667 each. That's what his life was worth to them.

    I do think that cops can go overboard and violate people's rights but this is fucking ridiculous.

    If they have enough evidence to prove she conspired to kill this child for the reason stated I say give her the new trial and then give her the shot to rid the world of her skanky ass forever.

    I would like any and all information about this case that you may have available because I would like to get a better sense of what they have on her/them. I will do some looking as well.

    Thank you for remembering this child and telling the world what happened. No child deserves to be forgotten!
    Thank you for your kindness, I know I saved somethings on little Christopher, I will look through them.

    when I seen this I literally started shaking before I even read it. It hit me like a ton of bricks. I'll never forget Christopher, this whole thing is a total outrage.
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    These court docs should have all the facts on the case badfish76

    State v. Styers, 865 P. 2d 765 - Ariz: Supreme Court 1993
    http://scholar.google.com/scholar_ca...en&as_sdt=2002

    State v. Milke, 865 P. 2d 779 - Ariz: Supreme Court 1993
    http://scholar.google.com/scholar_ca...en&as_sdt=2002

    It blows my mind theres tons of people supporting this woman
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerri Blank View Post

    It blows my mind theres tons of people supporting this woman
    Yep, the loons all come out of the woodwork to support there own kind.

    Diane Down's father, who refused to testify on her behalf at her trial, now has a website that "proves" her innocences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by this is going badly View Post
    Yep, the loons all come out of the woodwork to support there own kind.

    Diane Down's father, who refused to testify on her behalf at her trial, now has a website that "proves" her innocences.
    seriously? you wouldn't happen to have the link would you? I'd love hear what this crack-pot has to say
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    Ariz. high court again upholds death sentence for man in notorious murder of girlfriend's son


    PHOENIX — The Arizona Supreme Court has again upheld a man's death sentence in a notorious child murder case.


    The 4-1 ruling Friday affirms James Lynn Styers' sentence in the 1989 murder of 4-year-old Christopher Milke, who was the son of his live-in girlfriend.


    Debra Milke is also on death row. Prosecutors say she dressed her son in his favorite outfit and told him he was going to see Santa when he was taken into the desert by Styers and another man and shot.


    The state high court took up Styers' sentence again because a federal appeals court ruled that the justices erred in their previous review.


    Justice Andrew Hurwitz dissented, saying that Styers is entitled to a new sentencing proceeding involving a jury.
    http://www.therepublic.com/view/stor...-Child-Murder/


    Some Casey Anthony articles have been talking about this case and oddly this just happened. Thankfully not everyone is ready to let kid killers waltz around our streets.
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    This case makes my head want to explode in rage and anger.

    Dressed him up, lied to him and allowed the poor little man to be led to his death; literally taken out and shot in the desert like a wounded animal.

    If there were ever people that needed killing for something bad they did, these people need it.
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    The biggest beef? It's taken them 22 years to address these issues.

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    Federal appeals court denies new hearing to man convicted in boy’s murder
    WASHINGTON – A federal appeals court Wednesday rejected convicted child killer Roger Scott’s request for a new sentencing hearing based on his claim that he did not have adequate representation at trial.

    Scott, 64, was sentenced to death for his part in the 1989 murder of 4-year-old Maricopa County youth Christopher Milke, which Scott helped plan and attempted to cover up.

    A three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said Wednesday that Scott’s claims of mental impairments would have made little difference in his defense, even if his attorney had raised them at the trial. Scott had argued that his attorney’s failure to raise them as a defense entitled him to a new sentencing hearing.

    Scott’s current attorney said she “certainly” plans to continue the appeal process.

    “The first step we’re going to take is to file for a rehearing to the panel,” said Jennifer Garcia, an attorney with the Federal Public Defenders Office representing Scott.

    Scott can ask for a rehearing before the full circuit court and, if that is denied, he can pursue an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court. Neither hearing is guaranteed.

    The case began in late 1989, when Scott was recruited by Christopher’s mother, Debra Milke, and her roommate James Styers to help in the murder of the boy, on whom Milke had taken out a life insurance policy. Milke and Styers promised to pay Scott $250 from the insurance money for aiding in the murder, according to court documents.

    On Dec. 2, 1989, Scott and Styers drove Christopher out to the desert, telling the boy that they were going to look for snakes. Scott dropped Styers and Christopher off and drove away until hearing three gunshots, indicating Styers had killed the boy.

    Scott turned around and picked up Styers and the two drove to the Metrocenter Mall in Phoenix, where they split up. Scott hid the gun and Styers’ bloodstained shoes in some bushes outside the Sears. Styers, meanwhile, told a Sears employee that Christopher had gone missing in the store, in an attempt to cover up the murder.

    The next day, Scott confessed his role in the planning, kidnapping and murder of Christopher, the court opinion said. He led police to Christopher’s body, the gun used to kill him, which he had since hidden in his closet, and the bloody shoes worn by Styers the day before.

    Scott, Styers and Milke were convicted in separate trials. All three have been sentenced to death.

    On appeal, Scott presented two doctors who testified that he had “multiple neurological deficiencies” that would have affected his behavior and likely were present when the crime was committed. Scott said that evidence should have been presented at his trial.

    A lower court disagreed and the appeals court Wednesday upheld the lower court decision. The appellate judges said that there was no evidence that the brain-impairment defense would have been more successful – particularly given Scott’s detailed confession and decision-making role in the killing – than his trial defense that he had been duped by the other two defendants.

    The attorney handling the case for the state said it would likely be at least a year before Scott’s case could work its way through the legal system and an execution date could be set.

    “After the 9th Circuit Court denies relief, there are proceedings that take approximately one year before an execution and can be carried out,” said Kent Cattani, the chief criminal appeals counsel for the Arizona Attorney General’s Office.
    http://cronkitenewsonline.com/2012/0...n-boys-murder/
    pictures of all three assholes at the link
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    I hope all three of them rot in hell for eternity for what they did! $1,667 is how much this life was worth to them. She says she did it so he wouldnt grow up to be like his father, I call bullshit on that she more than likely just didn't want the dad to have anything to do with him outta spite!
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    Fuck all of them. These are monsters, cold hearted monsters. Fuck them again.
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    If you want to contact Debra Milke, write to her, addressing your letter to:

    Debra Jean Milke
    ADC# 083533
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    I am writing to that dirty whore. Yup, I will waste time, paper, envelope and stamp but I will do it anyway. Fuck her
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    @AngelFire, did you write? Did you get a response?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kojak View Post
    AngelFire, did you write? Did you get a response?
    You gotta do the @ for her to see it. @AngelFire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badfish76 View Post
    I wish I could thank you more than once for bringing this case up!
    They killed a precious little boy for $1,667 each. That's what his life was worth to them.
    Do we know which insurance company pays in case of a homicide?

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    Nope. Not a damn response.
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    I'm having a few questions and concerns about this case, and it appears I'm not the only one: http://prodp.proboards.com/index.cgi...ad=3850&page=5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kojak View Post
    Do we know which insurance company pays in case of a homicide?
    Almost any insurance company will pay in the case of a homicide, as long as the beneficiary isn't found guilty of the homicide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsolete View Post
    Almost any insurance company will pay in the case of a homicide, as long as the beneficiary isn't found guilty of the homicide.
    Agree, usually the conditions read something like:
    A Benefit will not be payable under this Certificate if any loss results directly or indirectly from: Participating in or attempting to commit an assault or a felony.
    In this case police even claimed that Styers wanted the dead body found quickly so they could supposedly collect the insurance money. But direct or indirect, the money would not have been payable in the care of Styers (where Milke and her son lived). That's why I'm finding this supposed motive hard to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kojak View Post
    Agree, usually the conditions read something like:In this case police even claimed that Styers wanted the dead body found quickly so they could supposedly collect the insurance money. But direct or indirect, the money would not have been payable in the care of Styers (where Milke and her son lived). That's why I'm finding this supposed motive hard to believe.
    You're giving a bunch of idiots too much credit by assuming they knew anything about the policy not paying out if the mother was convicted of murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsolete View Post
    You're giving a bunch of idiots too much credit by assuming they knew anything about the policy not paying out if the mother was convicted of murder.
    What 'bunch of idiots' are you referring to, in your opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kojak View Post
    What 'bunch of idiots' are you referring to, in your opinion?
    Um...everyone who was involved in this childs murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsolete View Post
    Um...everyone who was involved in this childs murder.
    Interesting. Everyone? Did the mother make a statement in her confession?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kojak View Post
    Interesting. Everyone? Did the mother make a statement in her confession?
    Why are you so intent on proving the mothers innocence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsolete View Post
    Why are you so intent on proving the mothers innocence?
    Ever since when does anyone prove anything by asking a question? So again, did the mother confess to that life insurance? And what's wrong with asking a question?

    Two or three weeks ago I saw a documentary about this case (on the BIO channel, I believe), and the life insurance was depicted as a part of her employer's benefits. Also, my 'opinion' stems from dealing with insurances for many years professionally, not by everyone who was involved. Never the insurance would they have paid a single dime. Have you read the link to that DP forum I posted above? There it is shown that the story claimed by the prosecutor is conflicting with data from the records. So, I'm really curious and wondered if she responded to AngelFire. For me this case stinks from top to bottom.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerri Blank
    During a police interview, Debra Jean Milke, Christopher Milke's mother, conceded that she had conspired with Styers to have her son killed. She indicated that it would be better to have her son die than grow up like her husband.
    This totally blows my mind. This confession is solely claimed by one police cop! No tape-recording, no witness... I mean... Yet, it was allowed into evidence. Am I the only one wondering?

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    Also, my 'opinion' stems from dealing with insurances for many years professionally, not by everyone who was involved. Never the insurance would they have paid a single dime.
    What? Most insurance pays out in the event of a homicide as long as the beneficiary isn't convicted (or suspected with reasonable proof) of the murder.

    I'm not saying the mother is guilty, I'm just asking why you're so intent on creating doubt. Do you know the family or are you someone who just took an interest in the case?

    This totally blows my mind. This confession is solely claimed by one police cop! No tape-recording, no witness... I mean... Yet, it was allowed into evidence. Am I the only one wondering?
    Does this cop have a history or bad behavior or questionable morals? If he was a dishonest cop who was intent on framing her surely there would have been other instances where his honestly and integrity was called into question.

    If it wasn't for the life insurance money, what motive do you suggest Styers and Scott had for killing him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kojak View Post
    Ever since when does anyone prove anything by asking a question? So again, did the mother confess to that life insurance? And what's wrong with asking a question?

    Two or three weeks ago I saw a documentary about this case (on the BIO channel, I believe), and the life insurance was depicted as a part of her employer's benefits. Also, my 'opinion' stems from dealing with insurances for many years professionally, not by everyone who was involved. Never the insurance would they have paid a single dime.
    By what I have gathered she worked at John Alden Insurance Company, but I also have read it was Lincoln National so not 100% sure on that. I also have read that she did have benefits but added to what the company offered for Christopher's life policy.

    According to the co-defendant the policy wouldn't have been paid out without a body so they left Chris in a wash to be found.

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    State v. Milke, 865 P. 2d 779 - Ariz: Supreme Court 1993
    http://scholar.google.com/scholar_ca...287013&scilh=0

    SCOTT v. RYAN, Nov. 17, 2011. -- August 01, 2012
    http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1607662.html
    This totally blows my mind. This confession is solely claimed by one police cop! No tape-recording, no witness... I mean... Yet, it was allowed into evidence. Am I the only one wondering?
    It's true this was weak evidence, you can't convict on he said she said, and I don't believe that is what sank Debra nor the statements of her co-defendant... though it didn't help her.

    My understanding is she was ice cold in front of a jury. It is something I've read in various news articles which leads me to believe the was just that.

    I don't believe in her innocence but I also don't believe she would have got book thrown at her had she not taken the stand.
    I will look at the pro-death board in a bit but I've read quite a bit on this case and understand where your coming from but I also believe Debra is exactly where she needs to be.

    *

    Here is a article excerpt that has a mention of what I'm meaning:
    DEATH-ROW DEBBIE NO ONE WANTED TO BELIEVE SHE COULD KILL HER CHILD.
    SHE CONVINCED THEM SHE DID.
    By Paul Rubin Wednesday, Apr 10 1991
    [...]

    And then there was Debbie's personality.
    In numerous jailhouse interviews with New Times, Debbie would look directly at her visitor with hazel eyes big and sad enough to fit into a painting by Ted De Grazia. "I'm not the heinous one, I'm not the depraved one, I'm not the cruel one," she'd say. "Nothing makes sense. I did not deceive my son by telling him he was going to see Santa Claus. I know there are women who kill, but I'm not one of them. I'm not guilty."

    Many who spend time with her want to believe in her innocence, especially men who become entranced, if only briefly, by her pretty smile, apparent vulnerability and friendly personality.

    Even Noel Levy, an able veteran of the County Attorney's Office, admits he had doubts during the trial about Debbie's guilt. "I was starting to feel sorry for her, the way she would be sitting in the judge's chambers shaking like a cornered rabbit," Levy says.

    Soon after Debbie took the witness stand, however, it became apparent to most onlookers that she was sinking herself with her seemingly heartless testimony. She was like steel when Levy handed her the little cowboy boots Christopher was wearing when he died. Her descriptions of unspeakably tragic events bordered on the banal, reminiscent of what she had allegedly said of the murder in 1989 to Detective Saldate: "I just made a bad judgment call. I'm just an emotionally troubled 25-year-old girl who needs help in dealing with her problems."

    The longer Debbie was on the stand, the worse things got for her.
    "She was hard as a rock, cold as a stone up there," Noel Levy says. "She gave me the case. When she was testifying, I couldn't help myself. I walked up real close to her and I looked into her eyes and it hit me. Behind the shield, I was looking at consummate evil. Her eyes were dead."
    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1991-...ill-her-child/
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    @Kojak I just read two pages of the link you posted and only one person besides the original poster thinks she is innocent. (I don't think the original poster thinks so either actually) That person happens to post numerous times in defense of Debbie and didn't do it well either.

    Truthfully that link just made me more convinced of her guilt.
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