Chemical castration for repeat/high risk sex offender?

[Jessiesgirl1108]

A Delaware lawmaker is proposing getting tougher on repeat, high-risk sex offenders, with restrictions that include chemical castration.

Rep. John Atkins, D-Millsboro, says he is drafting legislation that would require chemical castration for all male high-risk, repeat offenders who are older than 21 and have targeted children younger than 12.

Atkins says he is motivated by two recent high-profile cases: a Delaware pediatrician charged with raping patients and a registered sex offender charged with kidnapping a Maryland girl who was later found dead.

Another proposed measure would require special stamps for driver's licenses and special license plates for high-risk, repeat sex offenders.

Atkins is proposing that sex offenders serve the full terms they are sentenced to and a mandatory life sentence for sex offenders convicted of a second sexual offense.

http://www.wdel.com/story.php?id=188558176345

[battery jackson]

this sounds good, but honestly the license plate thing is a really bad idea... didn't they stop putting the handicap sticker on license plates too, because people who had them were being targeted with violence?

they also need to make things like taking a piss outside, minor/non minor relationships that are very close in age, and other such benign activities that may possibly involve penis or vagina as NOT worthy of the sex offender status, i realize we have a great need to have and maintain the registry, but the grouping and stigma is also harmful in such a sense, most especially to those who have no business being considered such a thing. and false rape accusers should be held to the same standards that actual rapists are.

there i said my piece

[Twisted]

I've thought about this sort of thing quite a bit. I think the problem is that specifically sexual urges are not always the root cause behind the behavior, and there are forms of gratification that I don't think chemical castration would control. I still strongly favor long-term incarceration, and for violent offenders perhaps even the final solution.

I also, admittedly, have a negative view of chemical castration particularly since it was used in England as one of the treatments for people convicted of homosexuality. They could have their junk rendered useless, or spend their lives in prison. One such example of this was actually Alan Turing, rather well known for his service in cracking German codes, and in his capacity toward inventing computers.

I also am not sure I recommend the license plates or other very public identifiers simply because it opens the people up to violence, which perpetuates a criminal system. If we're going to subject them to violence, institutionalize it.

I do like the rules on terms, at least as it relates to violent or harmful sex offenders. One must remember that a man urinating in public, or seen nude through his kitchen window, can be labeled a sex offender for life. It's a very different case having your manhood showing and performing inappropriate acts with it.

[Jessiesgirl1108]

I've thought about this sort of thing quite a bit. I think the problem is that specifically sexual urges are not always the root cause behind the behavior, and there are forms of gratification that I don't think chemical castration would control.

I agree. I would think that most child sex offenders have more of a mental attraction to children rather then a sexual one. So who's to say that these offenders won't continue to do what they are doing even if they can't use their tool?

[Athena]

Chemical castration has been used on populations of sex offenders, and it's success rate is dubious at best.

It's ridiculous. Repeat offenders who target those under 12 should be incarcerated for life. I wish our elected representatives would quit developing hair-brained schemes to avoid that.

That is the ONLY way to assure the safety of the public. You don't need a penis to sexually assault someone.

[Twisted]

I agree. I would think that most child sex offenders have more of a mental attraction to children rather then a sexual one. So who's to say that these offenders won't continue to do what they are doing even if they can't use their tool?

It certainly can be mental, physical, or a combination of them.

I also note that this legislation is talking particularly about male offenders. The biggest issue I see there is a sexual discrimination one. The male offenders would be treated specifically differently from female offenders, regardless of the crime committed.

I'd be willing to bet that, even if it passed, it wouldn't hold against constitutional scrutiny.

[battery jackson]

i agree with you guys. it's a hard thing to deal with. all solutions will be imperfect. but in instances of proven video and/or genetic evidence of rape, molestation, etc., we need to kill them off as soon as possible, preferably televised on PPV with the proceeds to go toward the national debt and perhaps some charity organizations that deal with the victims of sexual crimes. it's cruel and unusual punishment to respectable moral law abiding citizens to let these pieces of shit walk the streets while there are people in jail for WEED

[evervigilant]

It's just depo provera , the worst offenders need physical castration .

[Echo]

How about putting them away and taking them off of the streets with zero tolerance harsh sentences.

There's an idea!

[Twisted]

It's just depo provera , the worst offenders need physical castration .

I'm just not sure that physical castration actually reduces the occurrence. I don't think there's historical evidence from when castration was used in such a manner that shows it being effective.

[Twisted]

How about putting them away and taking them off of the streets with zero tolerance harsh sentences.

There's an idea!

This, I agree with entirely. If they are kept off the streets indefinitely, then people would be safer. It costs us some money, but I'd rather the Chesters are stuck behind bars, maybe including therapy but not with the chance of early release. It's more expensive than castration, but also much more likely to be effective.

[Pete Bondurant]

Chemical castration for repeat/high risk sex offender?

They would still have hands. You would have to amputate their hands as well....and probably their tongues. This would wind up being rather sordid, and they would be unable to eat or earn a living, so it would probably be better to simply execute them.

[malq]

Chemical castration has been used on populations of sex offenders, and it's success rate is dubious at best.

It's ridiculous. Repeat offenders who target those under 12 should be incarcerated for life. I wish our elected representatives would quit developing hair-brained schemes to avoid that.

That is the ONLY way to assure the safety of the public. You don't need a penis to sexually assault someone.

Incarceration for life? Seriously? And who's gonna pay for that? I don't think that is viable. The prisons are overcrowded enough. Believe me, you remove the sex drive and the problem is solved. I know it is about power over an individual and not necessarily sexual, but trust me you remove the ability to become sexually aroused and you will not have a creep doing anything sexual to a child. That's how penis's work. No response and no problem. Pedophiles are reduced to apathetic pacifists by chemical castration.

Depo-Provera has been proven to inhibit the abilities of pedophilias to assault children. The progesterone in Depo-Provera counteracts the biological tendencies that lead men to rape children (4). By lowering testosterone, Depo-Provera reduces sex drive (6). Males can have sexual intercourse (7) but do not want to. Depo-Provera also decreases aggressive tendencies by reducing testosterone. "[T]he castrated criminal would be more docile and have a better opportunity to be rehabilitated, educated, and to become a worthwhile citizen" (1). Castration removes the biological and chemical tendencies that are intrinsically linked to the desire to rape in males.

Depo-Provera also reduces recidivism rates. When used as a mandatory condition of parole (6), chemical castration decreases the occurrence of repeat offenses from 75% (6) to 2% (1). Prison is less desirable because it serves no rehabilitative purpose for sexual offenders. Pedophiles who spend time festering in a prison cell are given extensive downtime to concoct new sordid sexual fantasies involving children. These horrific visions are translated into terrifying realities once the criminal comes back into contact with children following his inevitable release from prison (1). Prison simply produces sneakier criminals. Pedophiles do not want to be incarcerated again so they think of new ways to rape children that will avoid detection and future detention (6). Prison increases aggressive tendencies in male pedophiles while chemical castration addresses the root causes of sexual assault and decreases further sexual deviance.
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1778

[battery jackson]

i am in full agreeance with pete on this one. give em a second chance with monitoring and if they reoffend after that, you boil them into stock.

[Obsolete]

Even if chemical castration worked (which I'm not sure it does) who's to say that once the offender is released he will continue to receive treatment? Sure they include follow up treatment as part of the parole requirements but look at how many offenders are "lost in the system" and don't get followed up on.

Does anyone remember the guy who was released from prison and was ordered to have chemical castration treatments for life? He ended up falling in love with the woman that gave him the treatments and eventually she stopped treating him. One day she woke up in the middle of the night and found him masturbating over her daughter and a friend who was sleeping over.

Wouldn't Civil Commitment be much more effective?

[Athena]

Incarceration for life? Seriously? And who's gonna pay for that? I don't think that is viable. The prisons are overcrowded enough. Believe me, you remove the sex drive and the problem is solved. I know it is about power over an individual and not necessarily sexual, but trust me you remove the ability to become sexually aroused and you will not have a creep doing anything sexual to a child. That's how penis's work. No response and no problem. Pedophiles are reduced to apathetic pacifists by chemical castration.

Actually, if we make a few slight adjustments, trading non-violent, victimless offenders for harsher sentences for violent offenders, we'd be able to pay for it without issue.

And chemical castration requires upkeep. It's not like after one injection, you're good for life. So, you're essentially dealing with the same issues registries present - if an offender decides to go underground and stop showing up for his treatments, there's not much that can be done about it, and he's free to offend until he's found.

I'd expect a fan of the death penalty to comprehend this.

[Mare]

Incarceration for life? Seriously? And who's gonna pay for that? I don't think that is viable. The prisons are overcrowded enough. Believe me, you remove the sex drive and the problem is solved. I know it is about power over an individual and not necessarily sexual, but trust me you remove the ability to become sexually aroused and you will not have a creep doing anything sexual to a child. That's how penis's work. No response and no problem. Pedophiles are reduced to apathetic pacifists by chemical castration.

I will find the source, but, while chemical castration reduces the sex drive, it does not reduce the need. So while sex offenders wouldn't be able to "get it up", their need would still be there.
A theory with chemical castration is that out of frustration of not being able to actually have sex with children, the sex offenders would end up being violent offenders and killing children.

If, as a condition of parole, chemical castration is required, how would it be enforced? We can barely keep track of regular offenders on parole to ensure they do not violate terms of parole, how would this work with chemical castration? They miss an appointment and what? A search party goes out?
That would get expensive and LE doesn't have the manpower.

[malq]

Actually, if we make a few slight adjustments, trading non-violent, victimless offenders for harsher sentences for violent offenders, we'd be able to pay for it without issue.

And chemical castration requires upkeep. It's not like after one injection, you're good for life. So, you're essentially dealing with the same issues registries present - if an offender decides to go underground and stop showing up for his treatments, there's not much that can be done about it, and he's free to offend until he's found.

I'd expect a fan of the death penalty to comprehend this.

I did not know the chemical treatment was ongoing. I just learned this. Bad assumption on my part. That does throw a kink in things. Indeed, if he refused or skipped treatment it would be a failed effort. Given the ones that cannot keep up with simple probation appointments, the results with chemical castration would be disappointing. Ok, I changed my mind. I still disagree with long prison terms unless hard labour is used to benefit society.
This problem is unsolvable.

[Miss Anthrope]

PORT ALLEN, La. (AP) — A convicted child molester has undergone surgical castration in order to be released from prison on parole.

Francis Phillip Tullier, who had faced hundreds of molestation counts involving young girls, pleaded guilty to three counts in 1999 and was sentenced to 27 years in prison. He is now 78.

His lawyer, Nathan Fisher, said the deal stipulated that Tullier would only be eligible for parole once he underwent castration at his own expense.

A sheriff's investigator said the surgery was done Thursday after being delayed several years while Tullier was treated for various medical issues.

The Advocate newspaper reports that Tullier is due for release next week. He will live in Iberville Parish and has to register as a sex offender.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...Top+Stories%29


I am all about castrating sex offenders but wonder about the effectiveness of "chemical castration" Is this like salt peter and how effective and how permanent is it?

[Mare]

There was a thread on this a while ago.

Chemical castration works in that a penis will not get hard - it does not work in that the urge is still there.

Found it: http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/s...cal+castration

[Marv]

Will Chemical Castration Work?

Probably not. But a large bullet to the head has been proven to be 100% effective in preventing paedo's from re-offending.

[Pete Bondurant]

It will not work. They would still have hands, eyes, a mouth....a brain. Better to do away with them. Anyone who commits pederasty.....dies. It is that simple.

[walkingeagle]

It will not work. They would still have hands, eyes, a mouth....a brain. Better to do away with them. Anyone who commits pederasty.....dies. It is that simple.

Had you left the "brain" out of that, I'd be with you 100%! I'm at 99% until you correct that!

[VXIII]

Chemical castration has been used on populations of sex offenders, and it's success rate is dubious at best.

It's ridiculous. Repeat offenders who target those under 12 should be incarcerated for life. I wish our elected representatives would quit developing hair-brained schemes to avoid that.

That is the ONLY way to assure the safety of the public. You don't need a penis to sexually assault someone.

You are right, this has been tried before and they just use other objects to "rape and molest" and become more violent and cruel to the victim, I remember reading a study about this before, dont know if I will be abvle to find it but will try... they only real answer for these sick fuckers is to either lock them up for life or execute them, there is no cure... even 80 and 90 year old men still molest....

[TACO]

Like it has been stated on this thread chemical castration does bot stop them, unfortunately.
I have a solution, cut there penis off with a dull knife & let them bleed to death! JMO!!!