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    Could they make her jail stay a lot more unpleasant so that's she so terrified she spills her guts?? I like the idea I read on one website where they should tie her up and drop her off in the middle of a desert. Then not tell anyone where she is. Tell her she needs to see how her son feels.

    I have yet to see a picture of her that looks anything like any other picture of her. She looks totally different in all pictures. Is that a sign of craziness??
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    His incubator (such a smug bitch) is to much of a sociopath to revise her story now.
    I learned that basically the difference between sociopath and psychopath is violent behaviors and murderous intent. She has evidence of prior violent behaviors and her grandfather admitted she had anger management issues. Does anyone know the date and route she took on the bus? I'm just trying to decide what the cell phone ping suggests. I don't know anything about the busing but on a map I assume a straight route would be I-10 to Jacksonville, maybe the ping is part of the bus ride, but no one has put them together that way and is it because the cell ping was day(s) before the bus trip? Is this cell ping line up with T. Smith's facebook claim of Elizabeth getting the formula and diapers etc assistance? I would think a service like that could be easily found in SA.

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    Still nothing new on the whereabouts of Baby Gabe I see, just more on the attention whores who surrounded him. Frankly I don't give a toss what any of them have to say, with the exception of maybe Grandpa, who seems to be somewhat in touch with reality. The rest of them can just shut up and shove it until they have something meaningful to say such as: WHERE IS THIS BABY????? Does Elisa-bitch not have a mother of her own? I don't recall seeing one being mentioned anywhere. We all know that mothers are sometimes able to work miracles with an obstinate troublesome child. In this case though even a miracle might not be enough because it seems this one has no human emotions whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donegaveup View Post
    Still nothing new on the whereabouts of Baby Gabe I see, just more on the attention whores who surrounded him. Frankly I don't give a toss what any of them have to say, with the exception of maybe Grandpa, who seems to be somewhat in touch with reality. The rest of them can just shut up and shove it until they have something meaningful to say such as: WHERE IS THIS BABY????? Does Elisa-bitch not have a mother of her own? I don't recall seeing one being mentioned anywhere. We all know that mothers are sometimes able to work miracles with an obstinate troublesome child. In this case though even a miracle might not be enough because it seems this one has no human emotions whatsoever.
    Both of Eliza-bitchs (Thanks, great name for her!) parents are dead according to this article: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...gbaby0110.html
    Elizabeth Johnson's grandfather says she grew up with a drug-addicted father and an alcoholic mother and then bounced around five different foster homes.

    She has always been impulsive, secretive and prone to fits of rage. A relative says that as a child, she would break windows in her home and chased her father with a plunger.
    "She's got a spiteful streak," said Bob, who is the person Elizabeth has turned to the most since her parents died.
    And this statement below, makes me wonder if Eliza-bitch found someone on Craigslist for Gabriel to stay with for 30 days (so she could say that Logan had no contact with his child) she is such an idiot, I would not doubt it! But, surely, the FBI and others have looked into that, as well...
    In early December, three days before Elizabeth took her baby and left Arizona in her 1995 Oldsmobile, she told her grandfather, "I'm taking care of business."

    She rented out a room in her home at a Tempe trailer park to a man found through Craigslist.

    She told Bob she had a job interview and needed a ride. The next time he heard from her was nearly two weeks later, when she called collect from jail.
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    Thank you for that link MadeaBecBec!!! For all her talk it appears Eliza-bitch has made her baby's life worse then her own was as a child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donegaveup View Post
    Thank you for that link MadeaBecBec!!! For all her talk it appears Eliza-bitch has made her baby's life worse then her own was as a child.
    Yep, she's something else, eh?
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    This was a very interesting video on some new revelations in the case. The other man named in the court documents as being the potential father in the case, Craig Cherry, has admitted to being a blood relative to Tammi Smith. This is something that neither of the Smiths have come forward about to detectives.

    Craig Cherry claims to not know Elizabeth. He has never met her. However, Cherry is very close with Tammi and they speak often. He is her first cousin. The only way that Elizabeth Johnson could have gotten his name is if Tammi Smith gave it to her or she overheard something involving him.


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    After the video surfaced, she had this to say:

    NO!!! She used that name cause the other potential father was friends with Logan and she didn't want a big fight! She heard me talk about my causin and my husbands 2 adult sons....obviously, she used my causin!! I don't know what's in her head, I'm working hard trying 2 find baby Gabriel!

    I am really inclined to believe at this point that Elizabeth is receiving help from the Smiths as they truly want Gabriel for themselves. I can see why the police are insisting that he is alive somewhere, as I recall the early interview from Logan about the Smiths saying if he really wanted Elizabeth to bring Gabriel back, he needed to sign adoption papers.

    The way I am thinking right now, Tammi is lying. Elizabeth wanted to hurt Logan every single way possible and I doubt she would use a relative of Tammi's because she didn't want Logan to fight. If she truly wanted to piss him off and upset him, what better way than saying she was fucking his friend and that he may be Gabriel's dad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CorruptedMistress View Post
    This was a very interesting video on some new revelations in the case. The other man named in the court documents as being the potential father in the case, Craig Cherry, has admitted to being a blood relative to Tammi Smith. This is something that neither of the Smiths have come forward about to detectives.

    Craig Cherry claims to not know Elizabeth. He has never met her. However, Cherry is very close with Tammi and they speak often. He is her first cousin. The only way that Elizabeth Johnson could have gotten his name is if Tammi Smith gave it to her or she overheard something involving him.


    Link to video


    After the video surfaced, she had this to say:




    I am really inclined to believe at this point that Elizabeth is receiving help from the Smiths as they truly want Gabriel for themselves. I can see why the police are insisting that he is alive somewhere, as I recall the early interview from Logan about the Smiths saying if he really wanted Elizabeth to bring Gabriel back, he needed to sign adoption papers.

    The way I am thinking right now, Tammi is lying. Elizabeth wanted to hurt Logan every single way possible and I doubt she would use a relative of Tammi's because she didn't want Logan to fight. If she truly wanted to piss him off and upset him, what better way than saying she was fucking his friend and that he may be Gabriel's dad?
    Did Tammi post that on her Facebook?

    Eliza-bitch named Craig Cherry in her petition for custody!
    In her petition for custody on Dec. 14, Johnson wrote that there were "two potential fathers," and requested that both McQueary and another man, Craig Cherry, take paternity tests.
    http://www.abc15.com/content/news/so...PwFqFdGgw.cspx
    Eliza-bitch did not think ahead, that the paternity tests would show that Craig Cherry was in fact NOT the Father!! I am glad that he has come forward (Or gave Police an interview) and revealed his relation to Tammi Smith!! Tammi knew Craig Cherry was named and she did not tell Police that they were relatives, grrrrr, wonder why? Gosh-darnit these people are truly stupid, conniving, but stupid!!
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    She named him as a potential dad yet he claims to not even know her?
    He's related to the Smith's?

    Screw this. Where's Rod Serling?

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    More - related to the video CM posted:
    Tempe investigators revealed bits and pieces of new information today surrounding their investigation into missing 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson. Some of that information sheds light on why police still believe a Scottsdale couple has not been completely forthcoming in their police interviews.
    [...]

    Tempe investigators said they interviewed Cherry and he told them he had never met Johnson and never talked with her. Cherry also told police that he was related to Tammi Smith. Commander Kim Hale, who is heading up the investigation for Tempe police said that information surprised him. "That was information that would have been probably helpful to us in the very beginning," said Hale. He also said that in all of the police interviews with Tammi Smith, she never mentioned she was related to Cherry. Police used that omission as an example of why they believe the Smiths are withholding information and why they are still considered persons of interest.

    In a phone interview with CBS5, Cherry said he was Smith's first cousin and that the two are very close. Cherry also reiterated that he had never met Johnson and that he could only speculate as to how she learned his name, in order to use it on court documents.

    But later Tuesday night, in a call to CBS5, Tammi Smith tried to explain.

    "I remember the conversation between me and (Elizabeth). We were laughing about it and I just commented on how Logan (McQueary) and my cousin (Craig Cherry) have the same record about DUI's and stuff and we were making a funny joke about that."

    But in the same call, Tammi Smith admitted she drove Johnson to court to file the paternity request. She even made three copies of the paperwork that clearly labeled her cousin, Craig Cherry, as the possible father of the boy she wanted to adopt.

    Smith told CBS5 she never read it because she was in a hurry.

    "Did I drive her there? Yes. I watched the baby the whole time," said Smith.

    Smith says she would have been forthcoming with investigators, but she doesn't remember them asking her about Craig Cherry.
    http://www.kpho.com/news/22222086/detail.html

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    A couple that planned to adopt the missing child dubbed "Baby Gabriel" now says they might have been "duped" by the mother of the baby.
    [...]

    Whether Johnson researched Tammi and Jack Smith as potential adoptive parents for her son Gabriel is unclear, but knowing their histories, she probably couldn't have picked a better couple in which to spin her tale of woe.

    Tammi Smith said her former husband abused her and after several years of fighting, she lost custody of her three daughters. Jack Smith also put up a fight for custody of his granddaughter, Hannah, from her biological father.

    The Smiths admitted they saw their own heartbreak in Johnson's tearful blue eyes and believed every word.

    "You know what? Maybe we were duped," said Jack Smith on Monday.

    He said Johnson claimed her former boyfriend and Gabriel's father, Logan McQueary, abused her and was ruining her life, but CBS 5 News has not been able to uncover a shred of evidence that he was anything other than a hard-working, supportive man.

    "He was an upstanding person," said Gabriel Salas, McQueary and Johnson's neighbor. "He was doing everything he could to keep his family together."

    Even Johnson's grandfather, Bob Johnson, told CBS 5 News that it wasn't McQueary but Elizabeth Johnson who had volatile tendencies, and was even arrested for trashing the apartment she shared with McQueary.

    "Sometimes she just went crazy," McQueary said.

    The Smiths said they saw Gabriel as the son they always wanted.

    Tammi Smith's Facebook page contains several posts from when Gabriel was in their care. One read, "Look at the new addition to our family."

    "Merry Christmas to Hannah," Smith wrote another time. "She now has a brother to play with."

    A friend posted "Congratulations on your new baby," and was not corrected.

    At about that same time, it appeared Johnson was planning to bolt.

    She posted multiple listings on Craigslist trying to raise money. She sold her dogs, took on a roommate and also offered to give away baby clothes.

    During the investigation, officers found Gabriel's collapsible crib was hastily tossed in her shed upside down, which possibly indicates she knew she wouldn't need it.

    Because of their past, the Smiths said they never questioned Johnson's lies and never involved Gabriel's father in any of the talk about adopting him.

    Even when they knew Johnson was on the run, they put her in contact with Janet Morris, an adoption specialist in Nashville, Tenn.

    The FBI searched her house as part of the investigation into Gabriel's disappearance.

    According to court documents, Morris was once challenged for allegedly stripping a father of his parental rights without properly notifying him -- exactly what the biological father of Tammi and Jack Smith's adopted daughter, Hannah, says the couple did to him.

    "I'll put my hand on any bible in any court in the United States and swear to it," Travis Andrews Warford, Hannah's biological father, told CBS 5 News.

    The Smiths said Warford is lying.

    But in light of Johnson's lies -- saying she killed Gabriel, giving multiple locations for her car and the questionable story of handing Gabriel to strangers in a Texas park -- the Smiths said they now see her for what she appears to be.

    "I don't believe anything she says, but you know what? I do want to do everything humanly possible to get that baby back here," said Jack Smith.

    Tempe investigators said they still think the Smiths know more than they are saying.
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    Thanks CM/DV for this info. This makes far more sense. It's a seriously flawed plan but I'm hoping this really does mean baby Gabriel is alive and just in hiding. It appears the Smiths help orchestrate the whole thing probably paying for all expenses necessary (as someone mentioned), and a promise of a large sum pay off no doubt. Wow, no wonder they are keeping mum on exactly what happened and just how involved they are, this could set them up for some serious charges. Didn't they think how a simple test would discount any claims of Cherry being the father? idiots.

    Now that actual facts are coming out filling in the pieces, unraveling the devious plan by this Eliza-bitch, maybe we will get all the truth now. Bottom line is I want to know for CERTAIN baby Gabriel is alive and well, the rest of the shit the authorities can sort through and charge accordingly. I don't give a fat-rats ass for anyone covering the truth on Gabe's whereabouts. If one is so desperate to go to such lengths and even break laws, these Smith's don't deserve baby Gabriel.

    What a twisted self-serving mess. Give it up woman your going down in flames.


    Quote Originally Posted by CorruptedMistress View Post
    This was a very interesting video on some new revelations in the case. The other man named in the court documents as being the potential father in the case, Craig Cherry, has admitted to being a blood relative to Tammi Smith. This is something that neither of the Smiths have come forward about to detectives.

    Craig Cherry claims to not know Elizabeth. He has never met her. However, Cherry is very close with Tammi and they speak often. He is her first cousin. The only way that Elizabeth Johnson could have gotten his name is if Tammi Smith gave it to her or she overheard something involving him.


    Link to video


    After the video surfaced, she had this to say:


    I am really inclined to believe at this point that Elizabeth is receiving help from the Smiths as they truly want Gabriel for themselves. I can see why the police are insisting that he is alive somewhere, as I recall the early interview from Logan about the Smiths saying if he really wanted Elizabeth to bring Gabriel back, he needed to sign adoption papers.

    The way I am thinking right now, Tammi is lying. Elizabeth wanted to hurt Logan every single way possible and I doubt she would use a relative of Tammi's because she didn't want Logan to fight. If she truly wanted to piss him off and upset him, what better way than saying she was fucking his friend and that he may be Gabriel's dad?
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    Gabriel is on AMW

    http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=70649

    After Saturday nights episode, maybe we will know where Gabriel is staying!!
    Or, I wonder, if Mr. Walsh has interviewed Eliza-bitch? The page there doesn't say, I hope that he does soon, if not already!!
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    the bitch is enjoying the chaos she has created. cutting off her attention-fix might help make her talk. just lock her up, cut off her access to publicity, take away the tv, radio..whatever media she has. leave her absolutely alone and ignored and don't share any news with her. tell her that her cooperation isn't needed since "other sources" have come to light and are proving helpful, keep the pressure on the Smiths, keep looking. being ignored might make the heartless cunt mad enough to let something slip.
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    Eliza-bitch still giving interviews is saying Gabe is still alive...

    The cunt is still running her stupid mouth but not in any helpful way. She did an interview with ABC and is saying the baby is still alive.

    I have a broken thumb so I cant really type much but here is the link.

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/elizabeth-...ory?id=9554084

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    Sorry if repeat I just saw this on breaking news on my comp... Gabriel’s Mom: FBI has couple on video taking baby!URGENT!
    The mother of missing 8-month-old baby Gabriel reportedly breaks her silence behind bars, saying she knows her son is still alive but she still refuses to say exactly where he is. And the couple who wanted to adopt the beautiful tot visits the mom in jail! Will the Smiths take another polygraph after the apparently inconclusive results of their first go-round? Nancy Grace has the latest breaking developments
    ,Hotel Clerk Says Elizabeth Johnson Used Different Name
    As investigators open a missing persons case for Gabriel Johnson in San Antonio, we are learning more about mother Elizabeth Johnson’s possible movements during her time in San Antonio from a hotel clerk who checked Johnson into one of the hotels. The clerk, who wishes to remain anonymous, says Johnson checked in under a different name and believes Johnson had a Texas ID.


    Elizabeth Johnson
    The clerk told us the hotel swipes identifications and the computer puts the information on the screen for the employee, but in order to look up Johnson’s information they need the alleged alias that Johnson used to check in. That name has not been revealed. The clerk says they never saw Elizabeth Johnson with a baby, and Johnson even allegedly brought in a baby car seat and was holding it behind the desk so the clerk couldn’t tell if the baby was inside. The clerk says the only other time they saw Johnson was when Johnson needed some towels. We also learn from the clerk that there is a dumpster in the back of the hotel and is allegedly emptied twice a week. Cops have spoken to the clerk, who has relayed all of this information

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    I agree that BOTH attentions seeking bitches should be cut off from the media. I think they love the attention so much that at least one of them will give up more info so they can get back into the limelight they crave.

    I also that that Tami and Jack Smith should be arrested for fraud and illegal adoption for this case and for the child they already "adopted".
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    Quote Originally Posted by this is going badly View Post
    I agree that BOTH attentions seeking bitches should be cut off from the media. I think they love the attention so much that at least one of them will give up more info so they can back into the limelight.

    I also that that Tami and Jack smith should be arrested for fraud and illegal adoption.
    I agree and I think anyone shes been in contact that the LE knows of since last known sighting of baby,should all be in jail also until someone breaks.

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    Unhappy Awww! Now Elza-bitch wants Gabriel back....

    And I am praying that never happens! Eliza-bitch only wants Gabriel back so that she can get out of jail, I'm praying that doesn't happen either!!

    More than three weeks after an Arizona baby disappeared in Texas, Crime Stoppers of San Antonio is offering a $5,000 reward for his safe return. Meanwhile, the mother is saying she wants her baby back.

    The baby's mother, Elizabeth Johnson, is in a Phoenix jail. She's changing her tune -- once silent, she now says she wants baby Gabriel back.

    In the latest twist, Johnson claims there is video to prove that Gabriel was handed off to a couple in Texas. Tammi Smith told FOX 10 that she visited Johnson in jail Wednesday, saying the FBI has the surveillance video. The FBI has not confirmed that.

    "After two days of getting to know them, on the third day they came to her hotel. They stayed inside the hotel for a while, she held the baby while they talked and they finalized things. She felt very pressured and scared, scared that she might go to jail or those types of things and pressured because she knew they really wanted a baby," Tammi Smith told us. "She wants out of jail and she wants that baby back so she can get out of jail."
    http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news...ng_baby_011310

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    Sellers remorse? Smith says Elizb wants "the" baby back? Odd choice of words.

    I am sure her new found maternial instincts it will pass as soon as her lying ass is out of jail.

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    I think the Smith's have been giving her money ever since Boston Airport on her promise to give him up to them, probably a decent amount of change by now, and the only reason she wants him back is to give him over to the Smiths, and I also think that is why the Smiths never backed off because of the money they had already "invested" over 7-8 months trying to get him. I could be wrong but I think that is a part of the unsaid things. I also find it hard to believe a person as nosy as Tammi seems to be did not read over at least one copy of the court papers she photocopied. I can't figure that angle out and the statements made by Craig of never having met E-Bitch and not knowing E-bitch does not prove he did not know his name was going to be used. I am frustrated with all of this. The result of my frustrations:

    Not done with the masterpiece that is E-Bitch yet.

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    Tammi Smith met with Johnson in jail... WTF? She's getting visits from others involved and granting interviews. Are they hoping she'll accidentally let something slip? Whatever the case, I asure she is just loving being the center of attention.
    [...]
    "I looked in her eyes and I can tell you, that baby is alive," said Smith.

    She said Johnson described, in detail, how a young white couple came to her San Antonio hotel room, put Gabriel in a car seat, and walked away.
    [...]

    "She did definitely describe the people, what they look like. They're definitely in San Antonio, she did sign paperwork, but they did not notarize it or anything like that," said Smith. "According to Elizabeth, these people are going to try and hide this baby."

    The Smiths have said they were interested in adopting Gabriel, but detectives believe they are withholding information. But, it was Smith who felt victimized, and she told Johnson as much.

    "When I started to cry about... the pain and suffering that she's caused me, my family and my children, yes she got very teary eyed."

    There were some things Smith couldn't say.

    "There are some things that she said that I think I need to talk to the Tempe police department about before I talk to you all about," said Smith to reporters.

    As for why Smith is so interested, she says, like Johnson, she just wants the baby found.

    "She wants to get out of jail and she wants them to find this baby," said Smith.

    Police say the jailhouse meeting between the two women was not recorded.
    http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...rld&id=7218068

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    I agree the Smith's are protecting their "investment". I also doubt they could adopt a baby through legal means.

    It is not unheard of to name alternate FOB's if none of them do the DNA the court will allow the adoption. Sometimes a stand in father "steps up" and signs the adoptions papers without a DNA test. Maybe the actual father is a third as yet unknown person.

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    Talking Well,well....

    Kim Hale, commander of investigations for the Tempe Police Department did say this:
    Hale said Wednesday that investigators also have a GPS tracking device that was recovered from the 1995 white Delta 88 Oldsmobile she abandoned in San Antonio on Dec. 27 before boarding a bus to Miami.
    http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149469

    I didn't know Olds had GPS devices on their 1995 vehicles, must have been another type of GPS that was installed seperately, by Grandpa Johnson. I sincerely hope it gives a map of every place that the vehicle was driven!

    And the hotel clerk, should be able to figure out what ID Eliza-bitch used, by matching up the video surveillance timer with the computer time of check-in, it might take a little time, but it can be done!!
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    I came up on this from behind,my son was in having surg when this all started breaking so Ive missed alot.But is there a reason shes so hell bent on Logan not being the dad??He was given custody,if she wanted to give the baby away why fight the dad having him.I know ive missed alot but I cant seem to find anyplace what her reasoning is for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whisperswing View Post
    ...I know ive missed alot but I cant seem to find anyplace what her reasoning is for that.
    She has no logical reason other than being a selfish psycho bitch. (And that's probably an understatement!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota Valkyrie View Post
    She has no logical reason other than being a selfish psycho bitch. (And that's probably an understatement!)
    TY I have been trying to scan NG transcripts and stuff and couldnt find anything anyplace so wasnt sure if I was just missing it coming in 3 weeks after it started.

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    I read an article on the Arizona Republic's website when this case first broke open - the bio-mom's granddad had indicated that she didn't want her child bounced around foster homes. Apparently she was a foster kid and had a multitude of issues. If you query the bio-mom & bio-dad's names, you'll see they both have a healthy criminal record. Now I realize that bio-dad has rights, at the same time I kinda see what this girl had going through her mind as well.

    Here’s some food for thought (a devil’s advocate if you will), I divorced in 2002 – have 2 awesome kids (my daughter was 4 months & my son was 7 y/o when we left). My ex got involved in meth, arrested, probation, arrested, rinse repeat, blah, blah, blah. So I moved away – took the kids with me, filed for divorce and kept it moving. He’s never tried to visit them, does NOT pay child support (well except for the whopping 23.33 that I receive weekly for TWO kids). Basically, he’s a dirtbag.

    So fast forward to present – I’m engaged to a great guy! We’ve been together for almost 4 years – engaged for a year. I approached my ex and asked if he’d sign his rights away so my fiancée can adopt the kids. Guess what? He said “hell no, those are MY kids”.

    Um, wait a minute. You don’t want to pay child support. You don’t see them. You’re son (who’s 15 now) wants nothing to do with you. Now my ex realizes that if my fiancée adopts them they could be eligible for FREE college money. He doesn’t care – he’s an idiot and selfish.

    California is a VERY big "reunification" state. If my dumb ass ex went to court today to request visitation - even though he hasn't seen the kids since '02 and my son (who's now 15) has no desire to see him. Those fools would force me and my children to go through reunification classes so they can visit their sperm donor. They really don't look at each case individually and say "okay, what is in THIS child's best interest".

    For my situation, I have to file to have the sperm donor's rights severed, since he hasn't bothered to try to maintain any relationship with the children, they can severe his rights w/out notifying him (many states have laws if a parent doesn’t contact the child for a year – than rights can be severed w/out notification). After my fiancée and I are married for a year, than he can adopt them.

    Now I am not saying I AGREE with what this girl did. In fact, it sickens me – at the same time I understand what was going through her mind (to a certain extent). Now, my question is – how many people are out there who realize they are not “parenting material” and are willing to relinquish custody for adoption, but the other bio-parent is unwilling? How do you resolve that? Wait, how do you resolve that LEGALLY? How do you bring the situation to the system’s attention?

    From her behavior, body language, interviews, etc…she comes off as fairly well versed. SO my other question is – did she get her knowledge from being a ward of the state in the foster system? Or was she assisted by an attorney?

    My next question is – when the bio-daddy dropped the order of protection (and from what I understand he listed Baby Gabe as a protected party) against her, why wasn’t CPS notified? Could this have been avoided if our system was designed to take domestic violence cases (especially those with children in the household) were taken more seriously? Where was bio-dad’s family when he was filing orders of protection? Why didn’t they contact CPS when they decided to “reconcile”? Why weren’t these two mandated to attend parenting classes?

    I’m a SURVIVOR (not a victim, thank you very much) of domestic violence. So I know what happens to a child when they witness violence in the home – it screws you up. And when a child has to deal with DV and they become adults they either become an abuser/victim or flat out don’t tolerate abuse/conflict, period. Perhaps, bio-mom dealt with domestic violence/child abuse as a foster kid and didn’t want her child to go through those same?

    I’m finding it harder and harder to believe that Baby Gabe is alive, BUT if he is – this could be an explanation into her bizarre behavior. I think the Smith’s are enabling her behavior and that is exacerbating the entire situation.

    Anywho, I wanted to throw my thoughts out there and give ya’ll a different perspective on this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadeaBecBec View Post
    Kim Hale, commander of investigations for the Tempe Police Department did say this:

    http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149469

    I didn't know Olds had GPS devices on their 1995 vehicles, must have been another type of GPS that was installed seperately, by Grandpa Johnson. I sincerely hope it gives a map of every place that the vehicle was driven!

    And the hotel clerk, should be able to figure out what ID Eliza-bitch used, by matching up the video surveillance timer with the computer time of check-in, it might take a little time, but it can be done!!
    Actually, did you know that most cars are equipped w/ GPS and most consumers don't even know it? My fiancee does towing - most cars are equipped w/ GPS so if you don't pay your car payment they don't have to go searching for it. LOL They can just pull it up by GPS coordinates. Pretty cool huh? Although some would consider it an invasion of privacy.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kacee75 View Post
    Actually, did you know that most cars are equipped w/ GPS and most consumers don't even know it? My fiancee does towing - most cars are equipped w/ GPS so if you don't pay your car payment they don't have to go searching for it. LOL They can just pull it up by GPS coordinates. Pretty cool huh? Although some would consider it an invasion of privacy.....
    I did know that since 1999 most (not all) vehicles (Especially SUVs) have GPS black boxes in them, if you are in a fatal accident, investigators can listen to what went on beforehand. But vehicles manufactured before 1999? No, I didn't know that.....
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    I think what amazes me still after reading all of these tragic and disgusting stories is,they all say "I know who has the baby".Casey Anthony it was Zanny the Nanny.They are safe (she told her parents at first CAYLEE was safe).This twit is saying she gave baby to a couple in where ever and hes safe blah,blah,blah and FBI has video.I want to hold out hope hes alive but I dont for one minute believe theres anyone anyplace hiding that baby until it calms down.I want him alive and pray hes found alive but hes a very distinctive looking beautiful baby.He has beautiful huge eyes that will stop anyone in their tracks and his kissy lips are to die for.Its not like anyone can take him anyplace or relatives wouldnt notice a child that wasnt there before.Unless that baby was sold to baby traffickers with intentions of him being sent out of the country.I hope to god im wrong and there is someone thats afraid to come forward with him if they are hiding him for that couple(tammi whatever her name is).But if you ask me Id bet they are being followed 24/7,and if thats the case(they have someone hiding him) hopefully they tire of the nasty game and decide to become heros and that Gabe is reunited with his DADDY LOGAN

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