Find 8-mo old Gabriel Johnson

[Silvahalo]

Why would the dad leave her with him? If she was that bad why would he go to work and leave him with her? Where is all your anger for him? He failed the baby too.

Sure I'm angry at him too, but I am yet to read facts on how he played part in his disappearance. SHE was the last one with him. SHE gave birth to him, SHE was ultimately responsible for him, IMO. I'll be the first to damn him to hell if he had anything to do with this Gabriel's disappearance. I'm sure he isn't innocent in all of this, but right now it's this bitch who is keeping her mouth shut, maybe the proposed adoptive mother too, but even that has not been substantiated.

We have a lot of questions with little answers, EVERYONE at the end who turns out to be guilty for harming this baby will feel my wrath. I'm ANGRY damn straight the bitch is no mom, and I'm just sickened to DEATH that people who have treasures like this baby treat them with less respect than a condom.

END vent.

[MadeaBecBec]

Tempe, Ariz. -- Tammi and Jack Smith say they were looking out for the best interest of Gabriel Johnson when they started spending time with him and his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, nearly a month ago.

"We had a complete bond with him," said Tammi Peter-Smith.

The Smiths told CBS5 they are confident little Gabriel is alive. They were in contact with Elizabeth Johnson up until she was arrested, and they could hear Gabriel through the phone in the background.

"I heard the baby babble... I heard the baby cry, " Smith said.

They even received text messaged disputing the threats Elizabeth made about hurting Gabriel.

"Immediately after she sent him the text that said she killed the baby, she sent us a text saying that she did that to get back at the father and that the baby was fine," said Jack Smith.

The Smiths spent significant time getting to know Gabriel and have several pictures with the boy in their home, playing with their own four-year-old daughter.

They say they didn't involve the father, Logan McQueary in the adoption procedures because Elizabeth Johnson told them he was abusive.

"As soon as she got away from Logan and we had the baby, and he was not a part of her life, all of the sudden she had a bright cheery attitude about herself," said Tammi Smith.

But at an emotional press conference Monday, McQueary told CBS5 that after Gabriel disappeared, the Smiths tried to strong-arm him into giving up his child.

"When Gabriel disappeared, they said to me basically if you really care about your son and you want him back and you want Elizabeth to bring him back, than you'll sign the paperwork and she'll bring him back," said Logan McQueary.

The Smiths said they were only passing along the messages they were getting from Elizabeth. They also say they are cooperating fully with the investigation and no longer believe the adoption is possible.

"Now the father is so deeply into this that his ego would never allow him to sign papers," said Smith

But they still may have a role to play. The Smiths believe Elizabeth Johnson will tell them Gabriel's location Tuesday.

"She wants to talk to me tomorrow at 2 o'clock to see if I will help her with attorneys to gain custody of Gabriel. If she hurt the baby, I don't think she would be trying to get custody," Tammi Smith said.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22125969/detail.html

I pray Tammi Peters Smith is correct!! And Elizabeth tells her where Gabriel is right now!!
I have been thinking that Elizabeth was just trying to hurt Logan, all along, he hurt her feelings so she is going to get her revenge! I am not so sure that Logan McQueary is being all that truthful in his tales, either! However, Elizabeth is not helping herself, by acting this way! Poor Gabriel, I wonder what is going through his mind right now??? I know eight month olds have short attention spans, still, he must be feeling blue and needing his primary caretaker!! Keep smiling Gabriel, someone will rescue you, I am sure of it!!

[Silvahalo]

"Immediately after she sent him the text that said she killed the baby, she sent us a text saying that she did that to get back at the father and that the baby was fine," said Jack Smith.

IF this is true, how cruel. The games adults play and with a baby's life. So pathetic and sad.

I hope we hear today Gabriel is alive and well, just praying on that.

[drkeegee]

I think (hope) the baby is fine. Why would she drive all the way to SA to kill the baby - it's a long trip by car with a crying baby. If she was going to 'do it' I think she'd have done that in AZ where there's lots more places to dispose of the body.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Authorities have found the vehicle belonging to an Arizona mother who has refused to say where her 8-month-old son is.

FBI spokesman Eric Vasys says San Antonio police and FBI agents found the vehicle outside a San Antonio motel Tuesday night and are processing the car for evidence that might point to the whereabouts of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson. There were no obvious signs of violence.
[...]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/6800404.html

[Aslan]

I think (hope) the baby is fine.

I'm with you. I think mommy and daddy are drama queens (though attention whore seems to suit mom better) but I don't think he's dead. They fight, find ways to get under each others skin..badda bing badda boom. I wonder if him leaving and getting cleaned up had anything to do with this? Nothing ruins a co-dependent relationship like the co- leaving.

I'm thinking more and more Tammi knows where he is and Elizabeth has watched too much Law & Order.

[Silvahalo]

I think you're right doc. At this point it appears baby must might be ok. On the other hand I don't trust shit when it comes to adult losers playing games with a kids life.

Thanks for the update DV.

[Ninja0980]

http://www.azcentral.com/community/t...gbaby0106.html

Elizabeth Johnson, 23, looked tired and depressed as she held her newborn son, Smith said.

"I looked at that situation and said, 'She doesn't want that baby,'" Smith said, before walking over to Johnson and asking her if she was looking for someone to adopt her child.
"She said, 'yes, but the dad won't sign the papers,'" Smith said.

Now the baby, Gabriel, is at the center of a nationwide search.

He has been missing for nearly three weeks since his mother took off with him from Tempe, and police are scrambling for clues as more details emerge in the bizarre story involving fighting young parents and the couple who wanted to adopt their son.

Smith said she and her husband, Jack, wanted to adopt Gabriel and that both of his parents wanted to give him up at different times, though never seemed to be on the same page about it.

Logan McQueary, 25, told reporters Monday that wasn't the case, and said he felt extorted by the family.

Johnson, his ex-girlfriend, was arrested in Miami on Dec. 30 without her son, who was last seen by witnesses in San Antonio, Tex., on Dec. 26. The next day she sent Logan a text message telling him she'd killed the baby. That's when he went to the police.

Smith said she's been working with police and had sporadic contact with Johnson up until her arrest, including a text following up the one she sent Logan saying that she hadn't harmed Gabriel. Rather, she said, she sent him the text to get back at him.

Smith said neither parent is fit, pointing to McQueary's past run-ins with the law, including 2004 burglary charges, to which he pleaded guilty and served nearly four and a half years probation.

"Neither of them want the baby," said Smith, who lives in North Scottsdale and owns a colon hydrotherapy practice with several locations around the Valley. "Most likely she's left him with another family she's chosen like she had chosen us."

Cases like this irk me to know end. This "mother" clearly has no qualms about using her child as a weapon to get back at the father. I only pray this child is still alive. As to the couple in this article, sorry, it's not your call to make on whether the father deserves to have custody or not. Sick and sad story all around.

[Saffron]

There's already a thread for this poor lil guy...

http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/s...45&postcount=1

[Jerri Blank]

Thought I'd butt in yall's thread here, following you guys on your missing persons..

Update: Mom of missing baby says she gave him to couple in SA

SAN ANTONIO -- New details have been released in the case of a missing 8-month-old boy.

Gabriel Johnson was last seen with his mother, 23-year-old Elizabeth Johnson, at a San Antonio park back on December 26th. Elizabeth Johnson was arrested in Miami Beach, Florida last week after she failed to appear for a custodial hearing in Phoenix. Gabriel's father told authorities she had threatened their child.

Although she first refused to give any information about Gabriel's whereabouts, Johnson now says she gave him to a couple in San Antonio. So far, her claim has not been confirmed by investigators.

San Antonio police found Johnson's car a the parking lot at a South Side motel Tuesday. Investigators said a tip led them to the motel. They found Johnson's car parked in the back with a child car seat still inside. Investigators said there were no obvious signs of violence.

News 4 WOAI spoke to workers at the motel about whether or not Elizabeth Johnson stayed there.

"Not under that name," hotel clerk Sylvia Cisneros said. "If she used a different name, if somebody else checked her in, I have no idea."

Investigators learned Johnson purchased a bus ticket on December 27th and was alone when she boarded a bus bound for Florida. They told News 4 WOAI there are indications that Gabriel Johnson is still alive, and that his mother may have been trying to get rid of him, give him up for adoption, or sell him.

Source:
http://www.woai.com/mostpopular/stor...87wWA11fg.cspx

[CorruptedMistress]

So they are saying they know for sure that she boarded a bus on the 27th and did not have baby Gabriel with her? Doesn't this counter what the previous couple said about hearing the baby babbling in the background all the way up until the day of her arrest?

Those statements by the couple really had me believing that Gabriel was alive and well somewhere, but these new developments have me really worried about his whereabouts. I hope they find him soon, whereever he may be.

[Rockin Ma]

Remember the lady that was given a child by her niece but they said it was kidnap?. Manhunt happened and then they found the baby under the sitter/aunt's bed.

[koochie]

this sounds like another casey anthony or the girl who killed herself after nancy grace harrassed her.

[Saffron]

this sounds like another casey anthony or the girl who killed herself after nancy grace harrassed her.

Melinda Duckett

[badfish76]

I don't think the baby is alive because if she gave him to someone that wanted him for their own I believe they would have come forward by now. There is no future to have a child in if you are brought up on Fed charges of hiding a baby that was kidnapped.

She was known to be desperate to get rid of the child and was unwilling to give him to the dad or any family members so I believe she used him for leverage until it became inconvenient. I wonder how much money the couple that were going to adopt him gave her to help out here and there?

She used that kid and exploited the title of mother for her own benefit and when it got too hard she did God knows what with him.

I pray I am wrong but I fear I am not.

[AmyB80]

I get the feeling Mrs. Smith is slightly manipulative. According to the news story that Ninja posted (post #38)

Elizabeth Johnson, 23, looked tired and depressed as she held her newborn son, Smith said.
"I looked at that situation and said, 'She doesn't want that baby,'" Smith said, before walking over to Johnson and asking her if she was looking for someone to adopt her child.
"She said, 'yes, but the dad won't sign the papers,'" Smith said.

Strange. Strange to walk over to a person with a newborn, and simply based on how they look ask them if they are looking to adopt out their baby? That is the gist I got from those statements. Nothing in those statements suggests they were friends before the baby was born. The age difference between Elizabeth and Mrs. Smith is 14 years. I wonder how Mrs. Smith was placed in such a way to have the opportunity to ask about adoption, seemingly without the mother instigating the contact, to what I assume is a stranger otherwise.
Another thing though that bothers me is

Smith said neither parent is fit, pointing to McQueary's past run-ins with the law, including 2004 burglary charges, to which he pleaded guilty and served nearly four and a half years probation

. This baby was born May 3 of 2009. Approximately 5 years after the burglary charges. He served probation which would suggest first time offender, something along those lines or regardless of pleading guilty, he would have done more than simple probation. Why hash prior old shit up? I'd be more worried if his trouble was current. She is NOT the family member the courts ordered the baby turned over to on the 28th or Logan would not have a problem with it. At first (when this story first came out) I was under the impression that she was the family member the court ordered custody given to but now I know that is not the case, they wouldn't be butting heads if she were.
With the mom's apparent mental instability (let's assume the shredding of the couch, baby clothes, Logan's clothes were true events along with the recent I-killed-him text to "get back at" the dad) I cannot feel the baby is safe. I think it is ominous that the car seat was found in the car. In some pictures he is inside in a car seat (carrier style) so unless it was a booster style seat left in the car, that is not a good sign to me. A young childless couple (who she claims to have left him with at the park) would be in need of a car seat if taking on the care of a baby.

[MadeaBecBec]

Y'all can watch it here: http://www.kpho.com/video/22144213/index.html
I would love to have seen her facial expressions during this interview!!

[Saffron]

Amy, I disagree... most of the adoptive parents I know go WHOLE HOG and buy the absolute tip-top highest quality everything because they know how precious children are because they generally couldn't have them for one reason or another. They probably didn't want her Goodwill special that expired four years ago. If I were in the situation and I was getting the baby I've dreamed about finally, I'd come with the best rated car seat money could buy knowing that mom probably has a hand me down special. Also, children aren't supposed to use carrier/pumpkin seats after 6 months. Talk about my pet peeve. I saw someone with a two year old in one the other day... the top of the seat was UNDER the child's shoulder blades... seriously who thinks that protects him one iota?

[MissKerosene]

I am praying so hard that this wee angel is found safe and well. What a beautiful lad he is and I can understand how anyone would be more than happy to take him on as their own. Myself included, but the lengths and illegal actions people take in the process at times is truly shocking.

This incubator needs to be severely punished regardless. Seeing as she would rather play games then let people that actually care about this bairn know where he really is and if he is safe, she is disgusting!

[LestYeBeJudged]

I think it is ominous that the car seat was found in the car. In some pictures he is inside in a car seat (carrier style) so unless it was a booster style seat left in the car, that is not a good sign to me. A young childless couple (who she claims to have left him with at the park) would be in need of a car seat if taking on the care of a baby.

My sentiments exactly. They need to be searching around that motel and wherever their landfill is for their dumpsters. I really am struggling to have a positive outlook on this one.

[Silvahalo]

Nothing yet. Damn. This woman is a bitch, more so than the father is a bastard. SHE knows what she did, where baby Gabe is. Just tell us if he's alive stupid, selfish woman.

I was far more optimistic just days before, now it's so grim.

[MadeaBecBec]

Gabriel was not with her then....

The car was parked at a Motel 6 across from a bus station off Interstate 35.

“It has given us new info to follow-up on,” said Sgt. Steve Carbajal, Tempe police spokesman.

Johnson did not check into the Motel 6, but could be seen on surveillance video driving into the parking lot of the motel about 11:45 a.m. on Dec. 27, according to Hitu Eatel, manager of the motel.

“She was alone,” Eatel said. “She could be seen walking out of the parking lot about noon.”

Johnson walked toward a bus station across the street, Eatel said.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149171

I believe the FBI should be looking into whether Tammi Smith has relatives in the San Antonio area that Elizabeth would take Gabriel. They spent the day before (on the 26th) at Six Flags, I believe the Smiths funded the whole trip, where else would Elizabeth get the money?
Keep smling Gabriel, You will be found, safe and sound!!

[AmyB80]

Amy, I disagree... most of the adoptive parents I know go WHOLE HOG and buy the absolute tip-top highest quality everything because they know how precious children are because they generally couldn't have them for one reason or another. They probably didn't want her Goodwill special that expired four years ago. If I were in the situation and I was getting the baby I've dreamed about finally, I'd come with the best rated car seat money could buy knowing that mom probably has a hand me down special. Also, children aren't supposed to use carrier/pumpkin seats after 6 months. Talk about my pet peeve. I saw someone with a two year old in one the other day... the top of the seat was UNDER the child's shoulder blades... seriously who thinks that protects him one iota?

I understand your thoughts here and I expect the Smith's did have everything ready for this baby in the hopes of getting him, but they are not who he wound up with and there isn't anything that suggests from Elizabeth's account of the park meeting from the news I read insofar that the people she did supposedly leave him with were anything but strangers and childless supposedly at that. For that reason I would think the people that received him (if they even really exist anywhere other than this insane girl's head) would be in need of supplies. I have not reviewed the exclusive? interview that was posted by MadeaBecBec yet to see if there is any possibility they were not strangers.

[battery jackson]

something here is shady as hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, including the smiths

[buggysmommy]

I'm kinda thinking the Smith's have him already or at the very least, know where he is. What are the odds of finding a second family in San Antonio when you are there to give the baby to one already?

Maybe they are trying to put themselves out there like that to divert attention away from them?

At any rate, I hope to God he is alright. I would hate to embark on this thread and have it turn out like Shaniya Davis...my heart can't take that.

What the fuck is wrong with people? Why would you have the baby, name him, be a figure in his life for 8 months and then just give him up? Why not just walk away from the git go? My daughter had Christmas break from her pre-school and I took time off to be with her. I can't express the joy I felt in my heart to be with her everyday, all day. To watch her sleep, eat, play and laugh. It made me heartsick when we went back to business as usual this week. I just don't get it...

[Silvahalo]

Gabriel was not with her then....

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/149171

I believe the FBI should be looking into whether Tammi Smith has relatives in the San Antonio area that Elizabeth would take Gabriel. They spent the day before (on the 26th) at Six Flags, I believe the Smiths funded the whole trip, where else would Elizabeth get the money?
Keep smling Gabriel, You will be found, safe and sound!!

He's so precious. And to think she tried or succeeded in selling him. Heck, I would have picked him up from Florida for FREE.

Assuming he's a live, I do think the Smith's know something if not everything. The idea that he's with the relatives of the Smith's is a possibility, much as anything we have read at this point. But wouldn't you think the heat would always be on them? it's seem crazy to fabricate a story only to give him up. How long do they think they could keep him undercover?

All I want is this woman to tell the truth. Might be the first time in her entire life to do that. She's a looker huh? well, looks aren't everything, not by a long shot. They are going to love her in prison tho, that makes me smile.

[AmyB80]

http://www.kpho.com/news/22144314/detail.html

Here it does say she does not know the last name, address or phone number of the people she left her baby with. With that knowledge, I assume this means these were NOT prospective people she was considering for the adoption aside from the Smith's. Her disregard for his well-being after the fact still screams to me she very easily could have hurt this baby, even simply left him to crawl off and find his own demise, and feel nothing wrong with her actions.

[Dneilz]

:( I don't think this is going to have an outcome that we have been hoping for. Poor baby boy!

[carolinablue]

i could make her talk in 10 minutes. ever see Denzel Washington in "Man on Fire"? "this will make you bleed (holds up a knife). this will make it stop" (holds up cigarette lighter)"
i would have no problem.

[Twisted]

i could make her talk in 10 minutes. ever see Denzel Washington in "Man on Fire"? "this will make you bleed (holds up a knife). this will make it stop" (holds up cigarette lighter)"
i would have no problem.

Makes me think of Jayne in Firefly... "Aw hell, I was gonna get me an ear, too."