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    Samantha Kuberski strangled - parents being investigated


    MCMINNVILLE, Ore. — Police say a 6-year-old McMinnville, Ore., girl has died after she was somehow strangled at her home.

    The girl was found unconscious and not breathing. KGW reports that investigators say she had a child's belt and blanket around her neck.

    Police identified the child as Samantha Kuberski.

    After she was found Wednesday evening, she was taken to the Willamette Valley Medical Center where she was pronounced dead. The state medical examiner was conducting an autopsy.

    Police say the child's mother was at home with Samantha and three other children at the time and the father arrived just as medics were taking the girl to the hospital.

    Detectives have interviewed both parents and the death remains under investigation.
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    Very strange.

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    It looks like this mom may have recently remarried. I noticed she has tons of pictures of one of the younger children but only a few of Samantha.



    Mom's MySpace:

    http://www.myspace.com/kelliekuberski
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    What were you up to, Baby Girl? I wonder the ages of the other kids at home? Mom looks to love her children and enjoy being a Mom via Myspace. This sounds like a horrible accident.

    I hope her family can find some peace.
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    Though Samantha’s mother was home at the time, along with her siblings, ages 11, 8, and 5, nobody in the home could say how Samantha ended up entangled in the items. Samantha’s father arrived home at the same time she was being loaded into the ambulance. Her parents were interviewed and ‘age-appropriate’ interviews are being done with the other children in the home.
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    I put this one on the front page earlier today...confusing, to say the least. Part of me wants to think it's just a tragic accident, but I've been here at the DD for too long to just assume it is so. I hope they have some answers soon...
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    I have more pictures of Itty Bit on my myspace and facebook than my older kids... She's my favorite person to take pictures of. I can't fault a parent for that (it doesn't mean I love my other kids any less).

    This sounds a little suspicious... okay more than a little... at least we seem to know that dad wasn't there and didn't do it...

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    Unhappy

    Mom has lots more photos here [ame="http://www.slide.com/r/AEMzvywusD86BqBfRcauYqr69ICfPOTP?map=2&cy=ms"]Faeries by Kellie Kuberski@@AMEPARAM@@http://widget-51.slide.com/p1/3098476543652216913/lt_t016_v000_s0un_f00/images/xslide1.gif@@AMEPARAM@@51@@AMEPARAM@@3098476543652 216913@@AMEPARAM@@lt_t016_v000_s0un_f00[/ame]

    Samantha was a beauty...

    Samantha Kuberski, would have been 7 on 12-07-2009


    So tragic, I wonder...........
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    WTF?

    I guess, I'm waiting for the full story to come out but, I'm skeptical to say the least .. : /

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    I kinda hate seeing pics like that because if I do, I see a tragedy that may have unfolded. If I find out that that little girl was molested or a victim of sexual abuse I will want to kill that fucker that is responsible. Often times that is the underlying cause. Not saying here just saying. At any rate, she is deceased and that is the worst.
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    Both of her girls are really lovely. I hope more is released soon.
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    A district attorney has denied access to records from a police investigation into the death of a 6-year-old Oregon girl who a medical examiner concluded committed suicide.

    Brad Berry, the DA in Yamhill County, southwest of Portland, said in a letter to The Associated Press that the public interest fails to outweigh the invasion of personal privacy to the family of Samantha Kuberski.

    The McMinnville Police Department, which publicly disagreed with the medical examiner’s ruling, declined to release the documents when the investigation was closed in January, prompting the AP to turn to Berry.

    The police, acting on the wishes of Samantha’s family, cited an exemption in public records law which states that releasing the records would be such an invasion that a reasonable person would deem it highly offensive.

    The girl, days short of her 7th birthday when she died in December, is thought to be the youngest person ever to commit suicide in Oregon, according to the state Department of Human Services. Police detectives, however, said they believe the death was an accident.

    Both sides largely based their conclusions on interviews conducted with the girl’s parents and siblings. Though the records of those interviews remain secret, police and medical examiners discussed what was said.

    Detectives learned Samantha was well-liked, well-adjusted and did well at school. She had not been abused, had not suffered a recent trauma and had expressed no thoughts of suicide until about an hour before the incident, when she threatened to kill herself after being chastised by her mother and sent to her room.

    While her mother and three siblings were in another part of the house, the authorities said, Samantha got inside an unused crib that had no mattress or box spring. She placed a child’s belt around her neck and tied it to the upper railing of the crib, hanging herself. The first-grader died at a hospital after the family and paramedics tried to save her.

    Dr. Clifford Nelson, the deputy state medical examiner, ruled the death a suicide, a conclusion police did not support.

    ‘‘The disagreement is a little more philosophical than it is material to the case,’’ McMinnville police Capt. Dennis Marks said prior to the public records request. ‘‘It’s not that we disagree with the mechanics of what happened. It’s the finding that a 6-year-old could form that kind of intent.’’

    Nelson said it’s a disturbing case, but he couldn’t ‘‘fudge the facts to make people feel better.’’
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    Child psychiatrists contacted for their opinion could not speak specifically about this case, but said it’s possible for a girl that young to form such intent. Dr. Gregory Fritz, academic director at Bradley Hospital in East Providence, R.I., said it’s ‘‘old-fashioned’’ to think otherwise.

    ‘‘Children can have feelings of sadness and misery that profound,’’ he said. ‘‘They can organize themselves to purposely and intentionally take their own lives.’’

    Berry, the district attorney, declined to file any charges, saying he could see the death as a suicide or an accident, but neither is a crime and there’s no evidence of foul play.

    He and Dr. Karen Gunson, the state’s chief medical examiner, said Samantha and her siblings had been warned about the danger of belts when they used them while pretending to be dogs on leashes.

    ‘‘Statements were made by the girl that indicated she was going to kill herself,’’ Gunson said. ‘‘She had the means and she realized that if she put something around her neck that was dangerous and could cause death — because her parents had told her that. My contention is that shows intent.’’

    She added: ‘‘Maybe it was a totally impulsive thing that happened, that’s probably true. But I also see that in adults.’’
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    ‘‘Maybe it was a totally impulsive thing that happened, that’s probably true. But I also see that in adults.’’
    Is it still suicide if you only want to make your mom think you are trying to kill yourself, but then do kill yourself waiting for her to find you? It sounds like the child was only trying to scare her mother for punishing her. How sad for all of them. I guess in the end the medical examiner can call it whatever he/she wants, it doesn't really matter does it? It all means the same thing, a child is dead.
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    She had not been abused, had not suffered a recent trauma and had expressed no thoughts of suicide until about an hour before the incident, when she threatened to kill herself after being chastised by her mother and sent to her room.
    My son of 6 yo, sure, he gets upset when he is timed-out, punished for bad behavior, but never has he ever spoke of hurting himself because he was mad for it. I have to wonder why this child would even go there, to say she would kill her self. If my son ever said something like that it would concern me tremendously and speak to him on it immediately. I do not believe that Samantha truly intended to kill herself. Even with the knowledge she had been told that putting something around her neck could hurt her, in fact kill her, a child of this age would not fully grasp the finality of doing so.
    ‘The disagreement is a little more philosophical than it is material to the case,’’ McMinnville police Capt. Dennis Marks said prior to the public records request. ‘‘It’s not that we disagree with the mechanics of what happened. It’s the finding that a 6-year-old could form that kind of intent.’’
    She was mad at mom and wanted to "show her" and get a rise out of mom, but by no means, IMO, do I think she knowingly meant to kill herself. I bet she thought, OK so I'll die then mom will find me and be sad, then I'll wake up see how scared I made her feel. hmmph, that will show mommy. Samantha really didn't now she wouldn't wake up ever again.

    Rest in peace Samantha Kuberski, you had much life yet waiting for you.
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    I don't know how to put into words the way I feel after reading this. I do not believe for a second though that Samantha actually intended to die. I believe it was an act of defiance that went woefully, woefully wrong. It is almost beyond my imagination to see that precious little girl pictured here, hanging dead as described in the story. Not that sweet smiling little thing dressed up in the fairy costume and with a pair of the bluest eyes I've ever seen. But in my mind I do see her, as clearly as if I am looking straight at her.

    My youngest son did the exact thing when he was in first grade. He used a belt and tied himself to his bunk bed. He didn't die, thankfully, so I can not say that I know the true and complete horror of what Samantha's family is going through. I do know what a huge hurdle is it to come to grips with the fact that your child would even think to do this thing and to carry it out. This family has to deal with the actual loss of their little girl. I don't know how people do that. I really don't. My heart breaks for them. My heart bleeds for them. Just reading this story made me all shaky and sick to my stomach. I want to lay my head down and wail for all the little ones in the world who do this thing without fully understanding the consequences.

    When my son did this it was without warning. He told me later that he did it because of the message he was getting from religion classes. At the tender age of 6 he believed he was already beyond redemption. He thought it best to go ahead and die, go to hell and get it over with. Six years old and already he thought he was headed to hell. That was the end of religion classes for him. I'm very, very sorry to say that it was not the end of his problems though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donegaveup View Post
    He thought it best to go ahead and die, go to hell and get it over with. Six years old and already he thought he was headed to hell.
    This shows that 6 year olds can and DO inform the intent needed to commit suicide. That type of behavior/thoughts is what the coroner based the ruling of suicide on. It is nothing more than a term saying "death by one's own hand".

    Children understand certain things can harm or kill them. They may not understand the full scope and consequences of those things, but they know. Most 6 year olds do not say "I'm going to kill myself" but neither do most adults.
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