Gays want to have sex to prove gayness

**backlash** · October 28th, 2009, 08:38 PM

TWO gay men from Bangladesh who offered to have sex before Australian immigration officials to prove their sexuality will appeal their case for protection visas for the fourth time in 10 years.

The men, who cannot be named, told The Daily Telegraph they feared being killed if their latest bid for refugee status is refused at a hearing later this month.

Increasingly frustrated by the process, the couple said in a submission: "We are prepared to have an adult witness view us engaged in an act of homosexual intercourse and then attest before you to that fact."

In a 2007 hearing, the tribunal asked one of the two men "if he and the second applicant have sex in the morning" and "if they used a lubricant." The 36-year-old said he had been "too embarrassed to answer the personal questions", with his refusal later used as proof he was a not a credible witness.

Human rights lawyer Bruce Levet, who represents the men, described the tribunal's conduct as "disgraceful" adding: "I was ashamed to be a lawyer."

Because the men had lived monogamously for 14 years and did not frequent gay bars or take an active part in the gay community, Mr Levet said they had struggled to convince the hearings of their sexuality claims.
The pair, who live in southwest Sydney, fled Bangladesh in 1999 after they say they were stoned, kicked and punched during a violent attack.

The Tribunal will announce a new appeal date on October 18.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1225787718526

That's not fair, a lot of gay people don't use lube.

**RaVen Blackehart** · October 28th, 2009, 08:40 PM

**Mare** · October 28th, 2009, 09:56 PM

I think they should be asked to record their "gayness".

Most gay couples that leave their countries, as couples, tend to be at least somewhat active within their local gay community (from an immigration perspective). If nothing else, these men and women meet other gay people from their own countries and they find out what resources, if any, are available to them.

I am not sure if I believe their gay claim. When interviewed by immigration officials it is expected many many personal questions will be asked (to ascertain the claim is true).

**backlash** · October 28th, 2009, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Mare

I think they should be asked to record their "gayness".

Most gay couples that leave their countries, as couples, tend to be at least somewhat active within their local gay community (from an immigration perspective). If nothing else, these men and women meet other gay people from their own countries and they find out what resources, if any, are available to them.

I am not sure if I believe their gay claim. When interviewed by immigration officials it is expected many many personal questions will be asked (to ascertain the claim is true).

I was thinking that because of what they had been through in terms of a public knowledge of their homosexuality and being beaten for it, that maybe they were too shy and stayed "in the closet". My guess is that when push came to shove, and they were being told that they may be deported, they instantly became willing to prove themselves at any cost. That is my guess as to why they have not been active in their community.

**Mare** · October 28th, 2009, 10:08 PM

But that's exactly it. From what I understand, gay men who move to "liberal" countries so they can BE gay tend to seek out groups so they could be accepted. It is rare for them to "stay in the closet".
It may be that you are right and I hope you are because I would hate that people have started pretending to be gay just to obtain residency in another country (although it wouldn't surprise me).

**backlash** · October 28th, 2009, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Mare

But that's exactly it. From what I understand, gay men who move to "liberal" countries so they can BE gay tend to seek out groups so they could be accepted. It is rare for them to "stay in the closet".
It may be that you are right and I hope you are because I would hate that people have started pretending to be gay just to obtain residency in another country (although it wouldn't surprise me).

That would be awesome if they really were straight, but had to bang each other in the butt just to stay in Australia. How do you live that one down?

**Peeperann** · October 28th, 2009, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by backlash

That would be awesome if they really were straight, but had to bang each other in the butt just to stay in Australia. How do you live that one down?

No it really wouldn't be awesome. And honestly, what exactly would they have to live down????? Is there something wrong with being gay?

Hmmmm? Beuler? Beuler?

**backlash** · October 28th, 2009, 10:38 PM

Nothing wrong with being gay. I'm just picturing 2 straight guys trying to pretend to be gay and doing whatever it takes. Like a porno version of I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry.

**Mare** · October 28th, 2009, 10:39 PM

They would have to live down the fact that if their story is made up then two straight men would be having sex to prove a false claim of being gay. This makes sense to me at least.

If they are not really gay, I wonder if they would really bang each other or if they would find a way out of it.

What is Beuler?

**Mare** · October 28th, 2009, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by backlash

Nothing wrong with being gay. I'm just picturing 2 straight guys trying to pretend to be gay and doing whatever it takes. Like a porno version of I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry.

I've no thanks left! Ha, I liked that movie.

**Mare** · October 28th, 2009, 10:40 PM

Just for the record, I thought Iran was the only country where there are NO gay men at all (at least according to their president).

**backlash** · October 28th, 2009, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Mare

What is Beuler?

**Pene784** · October 29th, 2009, 12:07 AM

If they are not really gay, I wonder if they would really bang each other or if they would find a way out of it.

What is Beuler?

Maybe they will do oral to avoid the whole booty thing?

Farris Beullers Days Off. Surely you have seen it? It is a classic!

**Mare** · October 29th, 2009, 12:15 AM

The mental image if these two men's faces, if they are straight, and if they are told to "perform" kill me.

I saw the movie a long time ago but didn't (still don't) get the reference.

**Pene784** · October 29th, 2009, 12:49 AM

I saw the movie a long time ago but didn't (still don't) get the reference.

The reference is in regard to the scene when Ben Stein is calling attendance and keeps repeating Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? even though Farris Bueller is absent. I think PepperAnn might have meant that you are not all there perhaps? Absent?

**TheMorningStar** · October 29th, 2009, 01:07 AM

The fact that this is happening at all to these two men is beyond GAY! The humiliation being forced upon them just because they love each other makes my ass hurt and I'm on the other side of the globe!

**Mare** · October 29th, 2009, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by TheMorningStar

The fact that this is happening at all to these two men is beyond GAY! The humiliation being forced upon them just because they love each other makes my ass hurt and I'm on the other side of the globe!

LOL - the question is are they gay? or just pretending to be in order to gain immigration benefits?

**Peeperann** · October 29th, 2009, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Pene784

The reference is in regard to the scene when Ben Stein is calling attendance and keeps repeating Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? even though Farris Bueller is absent. I think PepperAnn might have meant that you are not all there perhaps? Absent?

No not what I meant at all. And it's Peeper not Pepper. Just wanted clarification on a statement. Personally I think Backlash is all there. Plus some. Bueller was just stuck in my mind for some reason.

**RaVen Blackehart** · October 29th, 2009, 10:45 AM

I can't believe how young Ben Stein looks in that movie.

**Lazlo** · October 29th, 2009, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Pene784

Maybe they will do oral to avoid the whole booty thing?

SO not allowed - they have to go all the way. Break out the gerbals :D!! LMFAO

**Echo** · October 29th, 2009, 11:14 AM

Why don't they just ask them what their favorite song is? All they have to do is go through their iPod. It will give them away in a heartbeat.

**backlash** · October 29th, 2009, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Lazlo

SO not allowed - they have to go all the way. Break out the gerbals :D!! LMFAO

**Mare** · October 29th, 2009, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Echo

Why don't they just ask them what their favorite song is? All they have to do is go through their iPod. It will give them away in a heartbeat.

I beg to differ! I have Cher (and George Michael, Diana Ross, Better Midler, Barbara Streisand and Tina Turner) on my iPod and I am NOT a gay man!

**Echo** · October 29th, 2009, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Mare

I beg to differ! I have Cher (and George Michael, Diana Ross, Better Midler, Barbara Streisand and Tina Turner) on my iPod and I am NOT a gay man!

Mare, if you were a MAN and had all of that on your iPod, odds are you would be a gay man! You have the ipod of a gay man for sure. You would make a great hag! ; )

**moonlilly1981** · October 29th, 2009, 11:48 AM

as a straight woman I would be a little peeved if I had to prove I was straight. Just because they are gay they are being made to prove their sexuality and that is beyond wrong.

**malq** · October 29th, 2009, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by moonlilly1981

as a straight woman I would be a little peeved if I had to prove I was straight. Just because they are gay they are being made to prove their sexuality and that is beyond wrong.

No self respecting male would pretend to be gay. Its in the homophobe bylaws.

**Peeperann** · October 29th, 2009, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by moonlilly1981

as a straight woman I would be a little peeved if I had to prove I was straight. Just because they are gay they are being made to prove their sexuality and that is beyond wrong.

Totally agree, it is beyond disgusting. But, I could do it with a woman if I had to. Not a problem. The panel has to be pervs or total homophobes.

**Mare** · October 29th, 2009, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by malq

No self respecting male would pretend to be gay. Its in the homophobe bylaws.

You would be surprised at what people would do to obtain immigration benefits in countries with a better standard of living then their own.

These men are from Bangladesh (not the best place to live). There is no blanket political asylum or refugee status available anymore for citizens of Bangladesh (except in rare cases) so what better way to obtain legal residence in another country then to claim you belong to a group that is persecuted publically. Proving a person belongs to a particular persecuted group will get their asylum application approved.

Anyway, the question here is that immigration authorities do not believe their claim is true, because these men failed to prove their "gayness".

**malq** · October 29th, 2009, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Echo

Mare, if you were a MAN and had all of that on your iPod, odds are you would be a gay man! You have the ipod of a gay man for sure. You would make a great hag! ; )

MARE IS A MAN? Brings a whole new meaning to Skeet!
Damn, I have been talking to a donut pusher.