First post here. Saw this today and did a search and did not see it posted yet
http://14wfie.com/Global/story.asp?S=8101569
Husband, of course, is a great guy and would never abuse his children. I'm sure he never even wondered why his three year old daughter had burn marks on her eyelids
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"Investigators said she was covered in bruises and had burn marks on her eyes. The child told detectives she got them from her mother after her mother poured liquid soap in her eyes for wetting the bed."
"Sergeant Doug Daza with the Vanderburgh County Sheriff's Office says, 'Shock, ah disgust.'"
Hunh, a cop says something meaningful about one of these cases.
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Welcome Einley! Thanks for posting this story!
Sgt. Daza says, "The emergency room doctor that examined one of the children described it as a savage beating."
Investigators say Kalab's twin was covered in bruises and had burn marks on her eyes.
The child told detectives she got them from her mother after her mother poured liquid soap in her eyes for wetting the bed.
Amanda Brooks is charged with that beating. She and her husband, Terry Lay, are both charged with neglect.
Back at Eastbrook, a friend of the father, Bruce Henry reacted to the situation, "He loves his children, every single one of them. He doesn't need to be treated that way or portrayed that way. I hope by talking he won't be."
Terry Lay's twin brother, Jay, says his brother was a good person who would never harm his kids, "I'm sure that he didn't even know that was going on. My brother wouldn't let that go on. He's a good person. Like I said he doesn't hit his kids, he's not that type of person."
Both Terry and his wife, Amanda have previous criminal records for cases involving neglect and drug offenses.
Why the fuck did these two still have kids in their custody?
Look Imp.......the obligatory "_______would never do such a thing" is alive and well!
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Parents:
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You know, I've really tried to refrain from commenting on perps' (ahem, alleged perps') appearances. But she looks like a cold bitch.
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Yeah, with those mugshots (meth face mom) they definitely need to go on the front page.
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Yeah she doesn't give me that warm fuzzy feeling either Lizard.Originally Posted by Lizard
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Don't you get the sense she could leap through your computer monitor and snap at your jugular with her teeth? (Or, pour liquid soap in your eyes.)Yeah she doesn't give me that warm fuzzy feeling either Lizard.
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From the article:
WTF? Apparently you have to actually kill one of your children before CPS finally figures out you suck at parenting.Investigators said both parents have previously done prison time for neglect and drugs and said these children's had previously been removed from the home, but recently were returned to them.
Three other children are still in the custody of someone else from a previous case.
Investigators said the Lays were in the process of fighting for these kids when the death occurred.
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I thought the SAME thing when I saw that "tweeked out" look on that woman's face. Meth makes a person VERY aggressive (and obviously stupid)....that poor little boy!! :(
and..welcome to DD Einley!!! :D
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Posted, with a very special thanks to Einley - thank you, and keep up the great work! :D Go thou, and comment like whoa. ;) I wonder how some of Tyson's family will react to hearing the exact same sentiments coming out of this asshole's family members?
Amanda Brooks & Terry Lay Beat Their Kids
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http://www.courierpress.com/news/200...tails-tragedy/File details tragedy
Thousands of pages of documents released Tuesday paint a stark picture of a 3-year-old allegedly beaten to death at the hands of his parents.
By Kate Braser (Contact)
Wednesday, June 25, 2008
DENNY SIMMONS / Courier & Press Jim Payne, director of the Indiana Department of Child Services, fields questions concerning the case of Kalab Lay alongside Melissa Norman, right, and Virginia Combs, not pictured, both employees with the department, during a news conference at the Evansville office on Tuesday afternoon.
A life marked by neglect and abuse began when Kalab Lay was still in his mother's womb.
Amanda Brooks Lay admitted to Illinois Department of Child and Family Services and medical professionals that she used methamphetamine during the first half of her pregnancy with Kalab and his twin sister. The twins were born almost a month early, on May 10, 2004. Kalab had a bowel obstruction requiring transfer to a hospital in St. Louis, where he underwent surgery.
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It could have and should have been prevented. I don't understand why we think of the parent's wants first instead of the child's in cases like this. The kids would still be alive today if they had just terminated the rights. The mother left her kid in the hospital at after a surgery at birth. They really didn't want the children and I bet they didn't call the cops simply because they did not want to go to jail for the bruises, not because they cared the kids would be taken away.
Can you imagine if a couple looking to adopt was like this? They would never even have a chance of getting a child, yet we aim to give these two unfits children. What a mess!
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How fucking dare they!?!?!
There are so many people who would do anything to have a child and they just throw it away.
That dumbass twatwaffle should be sterilized.
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DID Meth during her pregnancy!
The hospital/ CPS should never have given her the babies!!! Bowel obstruction is a DEFORMITY that was caused by the meth usage---She left the baby at the hospital after surgery???WTF?
Something Very wrong here from the very beginning.:target:
Kids never had a chance...
oh yea..."Jay Lay"?hahahahahhahahhahaha!!!!
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OK I am just dumbfounded here folks. Every story I read about child abuse, neglect and ultimately death at the hands of parents seem to have one thing in common. DCFS was aware of the abuse, neglect, drug use etc.. I haven't taken the time to group them by state but from what I am seeing DCFS sucks! No system run by the Government is perfect; that goes without saying. I bitch and complain about red tape and bureaucracy here too but my God we don't have children dropping like flies here.
Where do these case workers come from? I can honestly say I have never met a caseworker in my 20+ years who could live with themselves if they had children assigned to them suffering injuries or worse dieing like the kids in the cases we discuss here. It is truly making me sick just thinking about these children getting no help. They don't have a chance!
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Ok...I can't help but wonder: Why were the twins savagely beaten/abused/neglected and not the 12 yr old? Is this because the 12 yr old could fight back?
Who pours liquid soap into their child's eyes for wetting a bed? For that matter...what kind of liquid soap has sparkles in it?
I agree with Momof4, why are these case workers disappearing as soon as the kids are back with their parents. It's almost like the case workers realized the real mom and dad were back, did a quick check...then forgot about them.
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Kalab Lay
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It is my understanding that most CPS and DCFS workers are extremely overworked and extremely underpaid. Too many cases, no time to work them all. Then to top it all off, they get to work on depressing shit and possibly violent caregivers. I'm not making excuses for them, but I don't think it's necessarily the caseworkers that are broken -- but the system itself is in shambles. If the state (just using an individual state for reference) wants to stop this crap, and the public throws all this outrage at them, why the hell don't they put in the funding for more case workers? Why don't they give this the same priority as friggin education and No Child Left Behind bullshit or in Florida, the dreaded FCAT fucking test? Dead kids can't get an education dumbasses... Whew...I feel better. (I am painfully reminded of the little girl in Florida that DCF lost track of...Riley? Help me out someone...)
I remembered...Rilya Wilson see link to story: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=27646
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YOUR mom.
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I thought it was DCF's policy to follow the kids for at least 3 months after they were placed in the care of a new guardian...? I've heard of a lot of people having issues with DCF basically breathing down their necks, why is it the good people are being harassed (from personal experience, friend of mine got called on even though she's a GREAT parent) and the terrible ones are KEEPING their kids?
I agree, if they are that overworked and unpaid...state funding needs to be corrected and fast.
Do check out the article at the link
http://www.courierpress.com/news/200...tails-tragedy/
It didn't help that the DCFS agencies of two states were disagreeing over this case.
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It seems like (to me at least), that the two different agencies started agreeing after a while that the children weren't safe and they immediately started working to fix that. I'm wondering why the judge ordered the kids to go back to their biological parents if he had both states breathing down his neck. ("Judge Todd Lambert ordered on December 18, 2007, that Kalab and his twin be returned to their parents for an extended, 60-day visit beginning Jan. 3.")
I hope the Judge realizes what has happened here and at the very least uses more caution with the next case he decides. The agencies purpose is to protect children first and foremost. Too many Judges and caseworkers trying to cut a parent a break or giving them the benefit of the doubt. That's not how it is suppose to be done. The childs safety is the priority period. That's how all our case workers are trained here. I tell all the newbies the same thing.....parents get the benefit of the doubt from the day the bring a child home. If we are called and there is evidence of neglect or abuse the benefit of the doubt is gone.
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Plea agreement...
http://www.courierpress.com/news/200...n/?partner=RSSThe Evansville woman accused along with her husband of beating their 3-year-old son to death and savagely beating his twin sister in the spring entered a guilty plea Thursday in Vanderburgh Superior Court.
Amanda Brooks Lay, 34, pleaded guilty to class A felony neglect of a dependent resulting in death in connection with Kalab Lay's homicide caused by blunt force trauma.
She also pleaded guilty to class B felony battery resulting in serious bodily injury to a person less than 14 years of age related to the physical abuse of Kalab's twin sister.
Under the terms of the plea agreement, which still must be accepted by Superior Court Judge Robert Pigman, proposed sentences are 20 years in prison on the battery count and 35 years on the count of neglect. They would be served concurrently in the Indiana Department of Correction.
According to Brooks Lay's public defender, Russ Woodson, both Brooks Lay and her husband, Terry Lay, 41, physically abused the 3-year-old girl. But Woodson alleges it was Lay alone who killed Kalab with a beating that stretched over several days.
Brooks Lay originally faced a five-count indictment. The three other counts, including murder, which carries a minimum sentence of 45 years and a maximum of 65, will be dismissed if the judge accepts the agreement.
The agreement also requires her to testify "completely and truthfully" against her husband if called upon to do so.
The prosecution has evidence Brooks Lay was involved in neglecting and abusing her children, Parkhurst said.
Brooks Lay's own history of abuse "did not allow her to become a good parent," Woodson commented after the hearing.
According to her public defender, Brooks Lay was abused sexually at 13, sexually abused by a different perpetrator at 14, dropped out of high school at 15 and married at 16.
She was sexually, physically and mentally abused by men for more than 20 years, Woodson said. Evidence shows abuse continued after she married Lay in 2006.
"That is not an excuse, but it should be a factor in judging her ..." Woodson said. "There's no question she was under his thumb throughout this whole marriage."
Together, the couple have four surviving children under the age of 6. Brooks Lay also has a 2-year-old with a different father and two sons from her first marriage.
Three of the surviving Lay children are in foster care in Illinois. Two are in foster care in Indiana, and the two from Brooks Lay's first marriage live with their father.
Illinois Judge Todd Lambert has come under fire for reuniting the twins with their parents roughly three months before Kalab died.
Woodson said Illinois had little choice in the matter. The Illinois Department of Children and Family Services needed to file for termination of Brooks Lay's and Lay's parental rights or reunite the children with their parents. Woodson said the evidence wasn't strong enough to build a case for termination.
Illinois caseworkers had contact with the family at least twice a week, Woodson said. Indiana, on the other hand, did "very, very little" and provided no monitoring or supervision for the family.
"I'm not trying to say Indiana takes the blame with this case, because obviously the blame lies with the defendants," he said. "But if Indiana had done more, we would not be in this situation."
The Illinois Department of Children and Family Services has declined to comment since an initial statement released April 2. Indiana state offices closed shortly after the hearing concluded Thursday. However, the director of Indiana Child Services previously has placed primary responsibility on Illinois.
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Hello Kitty liquid hand soap has sparkles in it, my daughter used to love it
R.I.P. Kalab Lay, bless you little one.
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Translation: "She did it. She's a horrible person. But here are ALLLLLLLLL the reasons why you can't be mad at her for killing her kid. Oh, but this is NOT an excuse."Brooks Lay's own history of abuse "did not allow her to become a good parent," Woodson commented after the hearing.
According to her public defender, Brooks Lay was abused sexually at 13, sexually abused by a different perpetrator at 14, dropped out of high school at 15 and married at 16.
She was sexually, physically and mentally abused by men for more than 20 years, Woodson said. Evidence shows abuse continued after she married Lay in 2006.
"That is not an excuse, but it should be a factor in judging her ..." Woodson said. "There's no question she was under his thumb throughout this whole marriage."
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I would like to take a sledge hammer to both of these asswipes. The thought of five children under the mercy of these monsters makes me sick. They are a putrid waste, and pathetic excuse for life. I wish them both a disease infested existence with a misery deep in their soul that will follow them even after death.
My hope is these sweet children have been placed in good homes to enjoy life and be loved.
My heart breaks for little Kaleb who didn't get a chance at life...kisses sweet one...I'm certain your twin sister misses you greatly.
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OMG!! Take a good look at this little one's little legs! Jesus! I fucking hate people. And to be honest I would hate to see the judge accept this plea agreement. Just to get out of murder. I hope these fuckers rot in hell!R.I.P. Kalab Lay, bless you little one.
Yah, his little hands are all fucked up as well. Poor little guy.
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