Angel Proves God's Existence

[The Diabolical Mr. Lieman]

too easy.


"Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours." Mark 11:24-25

can anyone who believes in jesus do this? NO

"And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it." John 14:13-14

ask him to turn my hair purple. IT WONT HAPPEN

"Amen, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. " Matthew 23:36

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a trumpet blast, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. "Learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branch becomes tender and sprouts leaves, you know that summer is near. In the same way, when you see all these things, know that he is near, at the gates. Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. Matthew 24:29-35

end of the world prophecy that was supposed to happen 2000 years ago that did not happen.

it would take days to list all of the BS in the bible that contradicts, lies, and flat out doesnt happen.therefore, he is a liar and not a god.

jesus sucks.

This may be the single weakest, most retarded post on this I have read on this subject in years. Seriously.

[swivel]

This may be the single weakest, most retarded post on this I have read on this subject in years. Seriously.

The parts in italics, right? Right?

[The Diabolical Mr. Lieman]

The parts in italics, right? Right?

Lol, touche, touche.

[I am Legend]

This may be the single weakest, most retarded post on this I have read on this subject in years. Seriously.

i didnt notice where you actually refuted any point i made.just calling something retarded doesnt make it so. unless you can actually debate the points i made, then i guess what you really meant to say was: I am Legend is right, jesus isnt god.

[The Diabolical Mr. Lieman]

i didnt notice where you actually refuted any point i made.just calling something retarded doesnt make it so. unless you can actually debate the points i made, then i guess what you really meant to say was: I am Legend is right, jesus isnt god.

I cant dignify that post with a serious response, and you know it. You know damn well it was retarded, it was aimed at being retarded, and if you were trying to be serious, then you have got serious problems, but we both know you werent. You were being silly, and thats ok, but silly is silly, and I cant even spend any time on that. Not that I would. I wont defend the notion on Jesus Christ, because even I have some problems with that. But I will defend the notion of a greater being, a God....

...but your post was just downright awful, and you know it. And me calling it retarded, DOES make it so, because just the very fact that it exists, and is out there to see proves it. Its painfully retarded. On so many levels.

[I am Legend]

I cant dignify that post with a serious response, and you know it. You know damn well it was retarded, it was aimed at being retarded, and if you were trying to be serious, then you have got serious problems, but we both know you werent. You were being silly, and thats ok, but silly is silly, and I cant even spend any time on that. Not that I would. I wont defend the notion on Jesus Christ, because even I have some problems with that. But I will defend the notion of a greater being, a God....

...but your post was just downright awful, and you know it. And me calling it retarded, DOES make it so, because just the very fact that it exists, and is out there to see proves it. Its painfully retarded. On so many levels.

you claim that you will defend the notion of a God, and yet, you havent. also you claim that you are above answering any points i make about jesus because even you have problems with jesus. (see my previous post, i believe i tried to save you time by typing for you: I am Legend is right, Jesus is not god.

so, since all you can on that point is call "retarded", ill allow you to quietly concede the fact that you basically cannot defend the point i have made that jesus is not god, since you are unable to bring anything of worth to the debate.

[swivel]

Another tactic would be to make sure that Diabolical's god doesn't already cause the paradox presented in this thread.

Diabolical, did your god have a beginning? If so, tell me something about it (and explain where the universe came from, and how your god came to be). If not, you might have a problem with a paradox.

[I am Legend]

Another tactic would be to make sure that Diabolical's god doesn't already cause the paradox presented in this thread.

Diabolical, did your god have a beginning? If so, tell me something about it (and explain where the universe came from, and how your god came to be). If not, you might have a problem with a paradox.

i have assumed that everyone who believes in god around here has already reformed their idea of what god is to get around the paradox. either that or they use the usual fundie mating-call : "science?.....................pffffffttttttt!"

basically the same notion as calling my post retarded because it points out things that are blatant lies in the bible, and yet so many would answer them with: "Jesus spoke in parables...........it is not that you can really move a mountain or get what you want, he basically just says the exact opposite of what he means, unless what he said turned out ok, then he was being straight. its up to ME to decide how to interpret what he was saying, because if i just go by what he said, i would of course have massive problems with the word of god!"

[dop]

Thanks IAL. Fuck, I hate the Jesus spoke(and the bible is writen) in parables bullshit it makes my blood boil.

[swivel]

Thanks IAL. Fuck, I hate the Jesus spoke(and the bible is writen) in parables bullshit it makes my blood boil.

But not literally, right? Right?

[The Diabolical Mr. Lieman]

you claim that you will defend the notion of a God, and yet, you havent. also you claim that you are above answering any points i make about jesus because even you have problems with jesus. (see my previous post, i believe i tried to save you time by typing for you: I am Legend is right, Jesus is not god.

so, since all you can on that point is call "retarded", ill allow you to quietly concede the fact that you basically cannot defend the point i have made that jesus is not god, since you are unable to bring anything of worth to the debate.

No, you asked what my favorite diety was? THat was stupid. You asked to start with Jesus, so I said, sure, Ill play. And you wrote stupid things. Asking Jesus to turn your hair purple, and it not happening is not proof he doesnt exist, and the second you write that shit down, your credibility is shot to shit to me. I cant spend anymore time on this with you. Frankly, I like most of your posting style, and for the most part, I'm a fan, theres no question, so I tread lightly here. BUt....on this? I cant spare the time, Im sorry. Youre too ridiculous. I have no respect at all for that childish kind of debate. And besides. If I spent my time arguing Jesus, Im not sure Id be doing myself a favor here. I believe in a God, I do. BUt I cant say that its Jesus. Im sorry if thats too vague for you, but Im not sitting on "a side of the fence". It's not like this is "one way or the other" with me.

[The Diabolical Mr. Lieman]

Another tactic would be to make sure that Diabolical's god doesn't already cause the paradox presented in this thread.

If you would be so kind, could you paste what you were explaining with the paradox again? Every time I go back, I get booted, and quite frankly, Im growing really fucking irritated with not being able to go back a goddamn page.

Diabolical, did your god have a beginning? If so, tell me something about it (and explain where the universe came from, and how your god came to be). If not, you might have a problem with a paradox.[/QUOTE]

I dont know. If I said God had a beginning, I would be in the same boat as the No Intelligent Design crowd. They say they have proof there is no God, but so far Ive never seen a shred of it. Just things like, if my hair cant be turned blue on cue, that must mean there is none. And that makes them all look like motherfucking morons. They say the BBT proves where things came from, but indeed it does not. Where is YOUR beginning? None of us have one. Not you, not me, none of us. SO I just dont know.

ANd Im not going to be naively sucked into a silly debate trying to prove that there IS one, because it is impossible for me to do so. For one, I dont have enough information to even mount a credible scientific debate on how there could be. SOmething as complex as the human cell? I dunno. Im a dunce. DNA? All the complexities of macro evolution? For some reason, so many people try to bring evolution into the mix to prove or disprove, when in fact, it really has no relevance. Macro hasnt been proven, and all of a sudden, its game to say it has been, but in the end, it has nothing to do with intelligent design, or whether there is a God or not. Its a how things progress thing, not a who started them thing.

Rambling. But no....please, if you can, explain or cut and pasts the paradox thing. It takes me ten minutes to go back a page, and I havent the patience. THis is driving me crazy, and Im not even sure if this post will make it or not.

[The Diabolical Mr. Lieman]

Thanks IAL. Fuck, I hate the Jesus spoke(and the bible is writen) in parables bullshit it makes my blood boil.

Yeah, because they totally talked like us back then. And hebrew gets translated perfectly, doesnt it, kinda like when you watch those cool japanese flicks that if are translated in English as it was said, makes no fucking sense?

[I am Legend]

Yeah, because they totally talked like us back then. And hebrew gets translated perfectly, doesnt it, kinda like when you watch those cool japanese flicks that if are translated in English as it was said, makes no fucking sense?

thought you were staying out of it?!?!?!?

as to before, i agree the "turn my hair purple" part was over the top, but only so to prove a point, which is that the bible says numerous times that anything you ask will be given to you, if you believe. operative word being: ANYTHING.

so in this post i take it you are saying the bible is basically as misunderstood/mistranslated as a japanese karate movie. not withstanding the fact that the bible is a hodpodge of lesser books spanning hundreds of years and thrown together a thousand or so years later. no doubt that it has been added to and re-written to read a certain way. but please, since you dont believe that jesus is god anyway, dont waste your time getting pissy and defending the new testament.

also, i would say that the old testament does not fall under your karate movie generalization. there is no error of transcription there (unless you count the idea that what it claims is its beginning is really just a lot of hodge-podge from even earlier religions they stole).

you do realize that the entire "jesus spoke in parables" argument is a very old apologetic defence that holds zero water if one simply reads the damn NT. it is used as a cop-out to cover up for things it claims he said that dont mesh with modern-day views of jesus.

its obvious that you believe in the "idea" of there being a god, but where it concerns religion you know that you cannot defend your position, so you have to basically invent your own idea of what "god" is to justify your belief. its almost (exactly) like having an imaginary friend, isnt it?

my imaginary friend is named Skippy Winnowitz.

whats yours?

[Michele]

thought you were staying out of it?!?!?!?

as to before, i agree the "turn my hair purple" part was over the top, but only so to prove a point, which is that the bible says numerous times that anything you ask will be given to you, if you believe. operative word being: ANYTHING.

so in this post i take it you are saying the bible is basically as misunderstood/mistranslated as a japanese karate movie. not withstanding the fact that the bible is a hodpodge of lesser books spanning hundreds of years and thrown together a thousand or so years later. no doubt that it has been added to and re-written to read a certain way. but please, since you dont believe that jesus is god anyway, dont waste your time getting pissy and defending the new testament.

also, i would say that the old testament does not fall under your karate movie generalization. there is no error of transcription there (unless you count the idea that what it claims is its beginning is really just a lot of hodge-podge from even earlier religions they stole).

you do realize that the entire "jesus spoke in parables" argument is a very old apologetic defence that holds zero water if one simply reads the damn NT. it is used as a cop-out to cover up for things it claims he said that dont mesh with modern-day views of jesus.

its obvious that you believe in the "idea" of there being a god, but where it concerns religion you know that you cannot defend your position, so you have to basically invent your own idea of what "god" is to justify your belief. its almost (exactly) like having an imaginary friend, isnt it?

my imaginary friend is named Skippy Winnowitz.

whats yours?

When Jesus says "if you believe" in scripture he means lives it, found the will of God, had your sins cast out etc.....Then the father will grant you anything, until then, we are all slaves (Jesus says that too).(I'm not a bible quote queen, so find it yourself) Its pretty much all about Pentecost, when the holy spirit comes upon you. Why doesnt the bible state that? Well it does in the whole picture sense.

People mix up believing with believing he will do it if you ask. No, no, no big mistake, you must be born again to see the kingdom of heaven.

Great saints had miracles galore, cause they were in his will, and they died to self, and God rewarded them with himself and his favors.

[I am Legend]

When Jesus says "if you believe" in scripture he means lives it, found the will of God, had your sins cast out etc.....Then the father will grant you anything, until then, we are all slaves (Jesus says that too).

so basically exactly what i said, unless you are somehow trying to say that "belief" in your interpretation is unattainable until you die...........and then you get all the good shit. thats par for the course in any religion and not a good reply. since i can assume you mean that you do believe in jesus, is it safe to say that now you can have your yardwork done in an instant through asking or is your faith not yet strong enough? (compare yardwork to moving a mountain, which only requires faith the size of a mustard seed,which sounds to me like only a small bit)

Its pretty much all about Pentecost, when the holy spirit comes upon you. Why doesnt the bible state that? Well it does in the whole picture sense.

thats a very "pentecostal" way of looking at it. but thanks for clearing up what it says ina "big picture sense" as opposed to what it actually says.

People mix up believing with believing he will do it if you ask. No, no, no big mistake, you must be born again to see the kingdom of heaven.

what this means exactly i dont know. i suppose you wont actually get to see the "kingdom" until you die..right? so when he says "believe in me and i will do whatever you ask" what he MEANS is only after you are dead will he actually do these things? after you are in heaven where there will be no need for anything to be done anyway because its heaven and everything is perfect?

or is it more like he said something that is complete bullshit and doesnt happen so you have to develop some ridiculous series of loopholes to get around the obvious?

Great saints had miracles galore, cause they were in his will, and they died to self, and God rewarded them with himself and his favors.

right. santa clause can go down every chimney in the world in one night and leave presents and eat cookies too! and yet you will never be able to find an actual case, proveable, where someone who lost an arm or leg grew it back from faith-healing in front of "the multitudes".

it says what it says in the bible. one cannot pic and choose what they like to believe and throw the rest out. since you are a believer and have some small amount of faith, either move a mountain or bask in the glory of being abandoned by god. (do not quote me some "do not tempt god" drivel, as miracles in the bible were used to verify the authority of the apostles.)

or has the time of miracles come to an end, therby exempting all of the saints miracles you are so proud of. you cannot have it both ways, so feel free to clear that up for me would ya.

[I am Legend]

satan made me double post.

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Yeah, because they totally talked like us back then. And hebrew gets translated perfectly, doesnt it, kinda like when you watch those cool japanese flicks that if are translated in English as it was said, makes no fucking sense?

The "word of God", not man in what is suposed to be an instruction of how the entire world should live our lives and its claimed to be writen directly by him througth diferent men should be absolutley clear and witougth bases for confusion througth the rest of times we are ment to use it as a guide, not have an expiring lenguage that just aplys to a small time period and way of talking in an area.

In fact, "him" only writing it in hebrew is just another indication of him as nothing more than a local myth that has now grown globaly(thanks to savage take overs and endocrination mostly).

He is God writing his auto biography for every single of us mere mortals to lead or lives taking example of every word, id expect nothing less than say every lenguage in the rosetta stone writen in a way clear and fluidly where everyone can follow for the millenias to come...

Im all up for equating the word of God to Kaiju Monster movies if we are ment to give them the same importance and relevance in our lives... ahhh who am I kiding, I could never hold Jesus over Godzilla...

WWGD

[The Diabolical Mr. Lieman]

thought you were staying out of it?!?!?!?

This is why you come off as a stupid person for the most part, and I said it's worthless engaging you on this subject. I said I'm not going to get sucked up into the debate to prove there is a God, because we all know its impossible to do. I recommend you learn basic comprehension skills. Because in this thread so far, youre coming off as one of the dumber posters in the forums. I say that as constructive criticism. You come across as complete and abysmal moron, and you do your "side" injustice. I mean no offense by that, I mean to help you, rather.

as to before, i agree the "turn my hair purple" part was over the top, but only so to prove a point,

Step one is admitting your mistakes, and Im glad you did that. But it proved no point, other than the fact you cant compete in this kind of thing, and you admitted youre trying. So thats a bad mark for you so far. It was monumentally stupid, Legend, and Im beginning to think you are, and I dont want to. Im serious about that.

which is that the bible says numerous times that anything you ask will be given to you, if you believe. operative word being: ANYTHING.

This has been something that has been debated as nausem, and I find no need to try to defend this. The Bible is a book written by different authors, prophets, a book I have not yet read in its entirety, and I find nothing to gain by arguing something that Im not ready to argue. Im not educated enough to be a part of that, so why would I subject myself to that kind of scrutiny. I would come off looking like you now, wouldnt I, and thats something Imnot ready to commit to.

so in this post i take it you are saying the bible is basically as misunderstood/mistranslated as a japanese karate movie.

More pretentious, condescending but very stupid bullshit. And this is simply why no one can take you seriously. These rebuttals Im making, also, are in no way debating you. I know that you'll say Im not engaging the issues of Judea Christianity with you, because you must be right, or whatever youre trying to get across. And your feeble attempts to upset me by saying Jesus sucks and all that shit are laughable. This is me pointing out simply, how you are coming across as a total dipshit, and how your credibility is waning fast. Im a bit miffed, actually, that Im tied up temporarily in this matter with you, because there are some very real arguments being made by gifted people here, who's opinions I respect on both sides. Yours so far, isnt one of them. The sentence quoted above this is all one has to read, to see youre a total amateur.

not withstanding the fact that the bible is a hodpodge of lesser books spanning hundreds of years and thrown together a thousand or so years later. no doubt that it has been added to and re-written to read a certain way.

Lol. Yeah. Scores killed for this, different versions, contested versions, empires ruled with the words...yeah...no doubt, dude.

but please, since you dont believe that jesus is god anyway, dont waste your time getting pissy and defending the new testament.

Sigh. Again...I never said Jesus ISNT GOd. I said I dont know, but Im not ready to accept that he is. I just dont have the information...Im not educated enough to make a hard line one way or the other. I believe what I believe from what I HAVE read and know, or think I know, and from my experiences. Why cant you understand these things? Im truly curious? Are you...are you just dumb? You seem to be UPSET that what Im saying doesnt give you a real target to hone in on....Im sorry, but its not that simple, and that seems to upset you. Complexities are a bitch, huh, Legend?

also, i would say that the old testament does not fall under your karate movie generalization. there is no error of transcription there (unless you count the idea that what it claims is its beginning is really just a lot of hodge-podge from even earlier religions they stole).

Hey...youre the uh....expert. :D:D:D

you do realize that the entire "jesus spoke in parables" argument is a very old apologetic defence that holds zero water if one simply reads the damn NT. it is used as a cop-out to cover up for things it claims he said that dont mesh with modern-day views of jesus.

You're fevorishly arguing something with me that I dont care enough about. I have my stances on some things, thoughts on others, and Im pretty open minded about this....so yeah, maybe so. Maybe not.

its obvious that you believe in the "idea" of there being a god, but where it concerns religion you know that you cannot defend your position, so you have to basically invent your own idea of what "god" is to justify your belief.

Again, your awful tactic is to run on assumptions, and put thoughts onto a board and make them mine. Yeah...its because I cant "defend" my position. Shit like this...amateur garbage is why its useless having any real discussion on this matter with you, an d its too bad, because it sounds like you know just enough to try and sound smart.

its almost (exactly) like having an imaginary friend, isnt it?

my imaginary friend is named Skippy Winnowitz.

And this is as bad as CPL's more tactful Unicorn analogy, only CPL is smart and youre not. Of course one can say an imaginary friend, or a unicorn exists and it not be able to be proven. But we're talking about the universe here, the creation of Man and all beyond...the scores of solar systems IN OUR SMALL FUCKING GALAXY, and the scores of galaxies beyond, the intricate nature of DNA, teh human cell, matter, energy.....you fucking nimwit, lol, were going beyond your schoolyard debate tactics here to discuss WHAT made us, and WHY, and the beginning...of TIME.

Thats clearly too much for you. So this is my last word, I think, so have yours.

whats yours?

Lol, and this of course would be where, if we were int he same room, I would be finished with your disrespect, and fuck you right in the ass in front of all your friends and family. :)

[swivel]

I love it when one of my threads gets better with time.

[I am Legend]

This is why you come off as a stupid person for the most part, and I said it's worthless engaging you on this subject. I said I'm not going to get sucked up into the debate to prove there is a God, because we all know its impossible to do. I recommend you learn basic comprehension skills. Because in this thread so far, youre coming off as one of the dumber posters in the forums. I say that as constructive criticism. You come across as complete and abysmal moron, and you do your "side" injustice. I mean no offense by that, I mean to help you, rather.

if by comprehension skills you mean that your arguing religion is the same as if there is a god at all......................um i would say maybe you need to try and grasp the idea here, not me eh.

This has been something that has been debated as nausem, and I find no need to try to defend this. The Bible is a book written by different authors, prophets, a book I have not yet read in its entirety, and I find nothing to gain by arguing something that Im not ready to argue.

then by all means, please, STFU

Im a bit miffed, actually, that Im tied up temporarily in this matter with you, because there are some very real arguments being made by gifted people here, who's opinions I respect on both sides. Yours so far, isnt one of them.

are you ghey? this sounds pretty ghey to me

Thats clearly too much for you. So this is my last word, I think, so have yours.

Lol, and this of course would be where, if we were int he same room, I would be finished with your disrespect, and fuck you right in the ass in front of all your friends and family. :)

i skipped a lot because i am getting bored with you. if you have nothing better to say than im dumb and you can beat me up then please quit responding to me. if you continue, i will keep getting under your wittle skin and you will keep crying your wittle eyes out about all these things which you say you are so above because you are simply so much smarter than me! in other words lemme give you the IAL cliff notes version:

your a fucking jackass.:D

edit: if only for my own weak mind to contemplate.

I'm one.(a christian) Kinda...sorta...the kind that believes in the existence of a God, or higher power, with no proof to back it up...because there isnt any. Nor is there any to disprove it, either. :)

a smart person would know that being a xian and believing in god are 2 different things. if you are a xian, kinda, then you have to believe in jesus, kinda, sorta.

I get you , I get you. Make no mistake, Im not saying God for certain DOES exist. And I hate to sound...I dunno--ya know--let me just say it.

Its fascinating....and its something, that, quite frankly, Im too lazy to get into right now,

Either way, Im rambling now....

more blatant genius from you i suppose?

i looked back and i realize now what the problem you have with me is. you are a fuckhead who really wants to believe in something really badly but i bursted your little bwubble on jebus and so you basically reply with "youre stupid, thats retarded, i wont justify that" bullshit when the fact is that you just cannot provide one simple point to make to counter any of the points i made originally. anything past your first hostile post towards me is uselessin regards to this topic.

listen up son: be happy in your ignorant beliefs, but do not expect your wittle invisible frwiend to help you any. if you really want to prove that you are so much teh genius compared to my prepubescent cro-mag intellect, then either be bigger than all of this and move on, or retort with something other than what you have, over 14 pages so far, only been able to muster, which is: i dont know.

[The Diabolical Mr. Lieman]

are you ghey? this sounds pretty ghey to me

Figured it'd resort to this with you. What a colossal disappointment. I would bet you, that before your retort is through, you'll have other cool misspellings as a form of...insult, I suppose. THat's supposed to mean something, Im sure. BUt yeah...Im betting on it.

i skipped a lot because i am getting bored with you. if you have nothing better to say than im dumb and you can beat me up then please quit responding to me.

BOred? You were the one that persisted, Legend. Trying to sound smart, and look cool, and it backfired. You were a magnificent moron, for ALL to see. And thats the bitch about it for you. You cant erase this....everyone saw your pathetic attempt to join in on a subject thats out of your realm.

f you continue, i will keep getting under your wittle skin and you will keep crying your wittle eyes out about all these things which you say you are so above because you are simply so much smarter than me! in other words lemme give you the IAL cliff notes version:]

Rotf, I called it. Man, did I call it. Wittle? Oooh, for crying out loud, Legend. Anyhow. Yes, I am smarter than you. So what? Thats obvious. As for getting under my skin? Eh. Not really, but I wont lie, its certainly possible, because pieces of shit usually do. Especially pieces of shit who act like theyre smart. I know when to concede my lack of education on certain issues, Legend, and you should as well. It'll prevent more episodes like this one for you.

your a fucking jackass.:D

:o

edit: if only for my own weak mind to contemplate.

You said it, not me---well...maybe I did too. But yeah...youre weak. See, we do agree on something. Not all is lost between you and I. As a matter of fact, you can be my friend, as long as you know your fucking place.

a smart person would know that being a xian and believing in god are 2 different things. if you are a xian, kinda, then you have to believe in jesus, kinda, sorta.

If its that black and white for you, then Im sorry.

i looked back and i realize now what the problem you have with me is. you are a fuckhead who really wants to believe in something really badly but i bursted your little bwubble on jebus and so you basically reply with "youre stupid, thats retarded, i wont justify that" bullshit when the fact is that you just cannot provide one simple point to make to counter any of the points i made originally. anything past your first hostile post towards me is uselessin regards to this topic.

Holy shit, dude. More? Whats the thing with the Elmer FUdd shit? Whats is it trying to accomplish? Im guessing mocking me some...odd way? Jesus, you look awful when you do that. But um, no. Just...no. To whatever it was that you were trying to say.

I also said DIGNIFY, not justify. I already said earlier, that I will weigh in on this more later. Call it taking the coward's way out, I dont care. In a sense, it is. I believe its with good reason. In the coming week, I wont be on. ANd I refuse to get tied up in a debate about theories that really may interest me, when I cant rebut for long periods of time. Ive been back here for a grand total of two days, and Ill be absent for a while again. I cant operate that way. So....call it what you want. It is what it is. And if you made your point with a shred of tact to it, that didnt blatantly disrespect me, I'd have addressed it the best I could've. But you chose to spit in my proverbial face. So yeah, I outed you as a bitch. I could've done that a while ago, but Ive chosen to be kind to you, because you make me laugh sometimes.

listen up son: be happy in your ignorant beliefs, but do not expect your wittle invisible frwiend to help you any.

Oh man.

if you really want to prove that you are so much teh genius compared to my prepubescent cro-mag intellect, then either be bigger than all of this and move on, or retort with something other than what you have, over 14 pages so far, only been able to muster, which is: i dont know.

Lets be clear about one thing. Me being smarter than you, and overall, being superior to you, is a given. That's just the way it worked out. I don't have a criteria to adhere to to prove that. But yeah.....you finally got it through your thick skull.

I...dont...know.

I can admit that. Only.....neither do you. You can SAY you do...but you dont. You have no goddamn idea whats out there, and to say you know, makes you look like more of a rube than you already come off as. You dont know SHIT. ANd thats the bottom line, regardless of whether this thread spans 50000 pages and fifty years, IAL. Do you understand at least that??

Its all speculative, and theories can be based off of various facts, and evidences, but this thread is based off of proving things, and when it all comes down to it, no one can prove a goddamn thing, and so far, nothing HAS been here. NOTHING. There's been some fascinating shit...dont get me wrong...and you can add to it if you think before you post, btw....but its amusing that this is BASED OFF OF PROVING two things that are simply impossible to prove at this time. End of story. So yeah, Ill talk about it more, and start a NEW thread if I have to, I promise, and probably give you all kinds of ammo to hit me with, trust me...but I wont be trying to prove anything, and I wont pawn my shit off as fact, such as you do.

[Rotten Apple]

[swivel]

I can't even read these posts. The "I'll refute each sentence of yours with a sentence of my own" tactic makes my brain hurt.

Can anyone tell me who is winning?

[The Diabolical Mr. Lieman]

I can't even read these posts. The "I'll refute each sentence of yours with a sentence of my own" tactic makes my brain hurt.

Can anyone tell me who is winning?

Sure. Me.

[swivel]

Sure. Me.

Well, I suppose congratulations are in order. What in the hell were you arguing about?

[Michele]

Can you feel the love? :D

[The Diabolical Mr. Lieman]

Well, I suppose congratulations are in order. What in the hell were you arguing about?

I told him I didnt know if there was a God or not, but that I thought there was, and he said there wasnt a Jesus, that Jesus couldn t turn his hair purple, and that he had an imaginary friend, and that I didnt know, an d I told him yeah, I dont know, and he got mad, and said his imaginary friend had a name, and told me I didnt fucking know, and I agreed.

And I still won. Aint that something?

[swivel]

I told him I didnt know if there was a God or not, but that I thought there was, and he said there wasnt a Jesus, that Jesus couldn t turn his hair purple, and that he had an imaginary friend, and that I didnt know, an d I told him yeah, I dont know, and he got mad, and said his imaginary friend had a name, and told me I didnt fucking know, and I agreed.

And I still won. Aint that something?

Sounds like you got your ass kicked to me.

[The Diabolical Mr. Lieman]

Sounds like you got your ass kicked to me.

OH NOEZ!