It's having the child start school with previous classmates and pretending to expect them to not recognize the child. I said it not about transgender but how the parents dealt with it, They didn't make it a positive experience for the poor child, They placed the child in a most negative atmosphere, I can't see them having done this as in the best interest of the child.
I am aware that my views are not popular and that is okay with me. Just because I tell my child that certain things do not fit in with our beliefs does not mean I tell her that she should hate or demean the people. (Do children treat boys and girls in a different manner? How? I am sure they do not go around calling each other girl or boy)I do not go around preaching to people about the bible and what they should or should not do. I speak to my own child about these things so that she will grow up to be a moral person. I believe many of things that we go through on earth is just a test of character and morality. Does that mean gay or transgendered people will not go to heaven? does it mean in the end I will not go to heaven for my own beliefs? Who can say? I guess some people see all of the acceptance of immoral behavior as progress. I do not happen to be one of them. This is a subject that we will have to disagree on.
Pene784, do you teach your children of all the abominations and sins that are listed in the bible, or just the ones that your church decided are a sin? That is where my major problem is with the christian religion. The bible says that homosexuality is a sin, it states that adultry is a sin..fine, but it also states that a lot of other things are a sin. Three things are pulled from the holiness codes and called a sin, yet the codes themselves actually number a great more than three.
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People are bigoted assholes.
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Pene is penis in Italian also. lol Great that its the same in both Spanish and Italian.
Been trying to learn Spanish..hmm
Bigot –noun a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
Try looking in the mirror if you would like to see a bigot. Pretty sure that definition fits in more than one situation. I am being ridiculed because my opinion and beliefs are different than your own. Just saying.
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Nope, even looked it up in my Dizionario Inglese Italiano to make sure that I had the spelling right, and not thinking of the pasta. lmao never gonna be able to see that in a store and not laugh now. Thanks
you firstI would never tell my child that this was okay and that the child was normal and she should treat him , oops excuse me her as a girl. I think this is completely immoral and abnormal and that is what I would teach my child
Love withers under constraint; its very essence is liberty. It is compatible neither with obedience, jealousy nor fear. It is there most pure, perfect, and unlimited when its votaries live in confidence, equality and unreserve. - Percy Byshe Shelley
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Multiple studies have found that there is a correlation between intelligence and irreligion. Sufficient to say, many religious people are not intelligent. Pene784 is evidence of this. I for one eagerly await the day in which the religious are identified as being mentally ill.
No less, some doctors would probably argue that hormonal therapy as a teenager would be best due to the physiological changes adolescence brings forth. I'd agree with them on the principle of logic...however, does a twelve year-old know what they want? That's something worth arguing. When I was twelve I was interested in boys, I also wanted to be an architect. I'd now be fine in a relationship with a woman...and I have no interest in architecture.
Religion = stupidity? I see. People that are religous and therefore do not agree with your opinions are not intelligent. You can make this assessment based on one opinion posted on a message board. Wow, you must be a genuis. Please tell me where to find all of these studies that you found that are supported by scientific data.Multiple studies have found that there is a correlation between intelligence and irreligion. Sufficient to say, many religious people are not intelligent
As we can see from the two case studies presented, this is not a spur of the moment decision, and it is really heart breaking for the child involved, and parents as well.
I have to say, if either of my children had been transgendered, and it was causing them as much trauma as it seems to cause the children involved, I would certainly allow them to transition, but if at all possible, they'd be at a new school.
As far as the whole religious thing goes, here's my favorite gleanings:
Judge not lest ye be judged.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Love one another as I have loved you.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
The thing about this is if current medical studies that show that there is such a thing as a male brain and a female brain are correct* then being transgendered wouldn't be a matter for therapy or other treatments but literally a birth defect [a mismatch between the mind and the body]. The appropriate treatment then would be gender reassignment surgery to match the body with the mind since it is currently beyond our ability to perform surgery to match the mind with the body.
If that is true would you deny these people the right to corrective surgery to have the body match up to the brain?
*Studies were done by accredited medical teaching universities where "normal" people, male and female, and transgendered people, where given color enhanced brain scans while being exposed to matching stimuli. In a number of cases sited as worthy of further study the scan results of the transgendered brains matched that of the "normal" samples of those corresponding to the gender the TS person imprinted on.
IOW, a male to female transsexual showed normal female brain patterns and structure. A female to male transsexual showed male brain patterns and structure.
If you follow this link be sure to follow the links in this article to the abstracts of the studies cited in it.
The testing is far from conclusive but it does suggest that there may be reason to believe that this is a nature, not nurture, situation and people are "born this way". Literally, in the case of a male to female transsexual, a female brain occurring in a male body and the other way round for a female to male transsexual.
I totally agree that it would have been easier for the child to switch schools. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt- maybe the child didn't want to switch, or maybe they couldn't afford to move to a new school zone and the school board wouldn't let them change schools or something. Because you'd think that a pair of parents sensitive enough to honour the kid's wishes would have the sense to at least suggest switching.
I think 12 is too young to make a life altering decision like this. Now I don't care if he/she wants to make the change when he turns 18 but before that are they really sure they know what they want in life? Ha, I don't even know what I want in life and I'm 49. :)