12yr old BOY returns to school as a GIRL after the holidays.

**Marv** · September 18th, 2009, 04:17 PM

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...into-girl.html

A BOY aged 12 turned up at school as a GIRL - after changing sex during the summer holidays.

Teachers called an emergency assembly to order fellow pupils to treat him as female.

The lad, whose parents have changed his name to a girl's by deed poll, arrived in a dress with long hair in ribboned pigtails. He is preparing for sex-swap surgery.
[...]

One mum said: "They behaved appallingly by throwing this hand grenade into the room and then leaving the inevitable questions about it for unprepared parents.

"Maybe we could have explained sexual politics and encouraged our kids to be more sensitive if we'd had a chance to be involved."
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It is understood he hoped his transformation would go unnoticed as he was starting secondary education and children stepping up from other primary schools would not recognise him.

But his former classmates at primary level DID spot the difference - and quickly spread the word. well DUHHH! I would be worried about them if they hadn't noticed!

The boy, who for years has told pals he yearns to be a girl, had to endure spiteful jibes and was asked by some kids: "Are you gay?"
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His family, who live on a council estate, have received threats and are under police protection.

It is understood the head at his primary school insisted he was treated as a boy - and used male toilets - despite his frequent "girlie" behaviour.

He wore a bikini instead of trunks at swimming lessons, dried himself on Barbie towels, rode a pink scooter to school and wore pink ribbons in his hair.
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Transgender counsellor David Hawley last night paid tribute to the pupil's "strength of character".

He said: "It is very unusual for a child of that age to be that clear about what they want to do. She has had a lot of support from her parents. So I imagine she was comfortable with herself before going to school and now she is discovering it can be a nasty world, which is hard at that age."

Psychotherapist James Caspian said the child would not be allowed hormone treatment in the UK until passing puberty. Meanwhile he and the other kids would have to cope with the shockwaves caused by the switch.

Mr Caspian said: "These children are old enough to have picked up a lot of taboos from society."

German Kim Petras - born Tim - became the world's youngest transsexual at 16 earlier this year.

**petrina** · September 18th, 2009, 04:19 PM

mommy! Santa gave me a VAGINA for christmas!!!!!!!

**cubby** · September 18th, 2009, 04:37 PM

I mean, seriously, he/she thought no one would notice.

If he/she truly has supportive parents then they should have told him/her what was GOING to happen and probably put him/her in another shchool where no one knew him/her, I'm confused.

Sometimes I think people do these things simply to create a problem so they can complain about how unfairly they are being treated.

I am not aiming this at the boy/girl, this is towards the parents. They should have protected him/her better.

**biteme** · September 18th, 2009, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by ohmarvellousme!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...into-girl.html

No matter what the parents are total IDIOTS! They didn't expect anyone to notice! Are they're using their child to get attention, are they dysfunctional?

**Pete Bondurant** · September 18th, 2009, 05:00 PM

I would have had a grand time with this sort of lad. Smashed teeth, broken limbs, bleeding nose....what a joy it would have been. Set him straight, I would have.

**Marv** · September 18th, 2009, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Pete Bondurant

I would have had a grand time with this sort of lad. Smashed teeth, broken limbs, bleeding nose....what a joy it would have been. Set him straight, I would have.

HER Pete. You would have set her straight.

**TheImperialCerealKiller** · September 18th, 2009, 10:22 PM

Good for the parents for being so open-minded and supportive. But yeah, they should have had the kid switch schools first.
I just Googled 'Kim Petras'- interesting story, I'd never heard of her before. She's very pretty- hard to imagine she was ever a boy.

**Pene784** · September 18th, 2009, 11:19 PM

Oh, we're all supposed to understand and be supportive about his/her choice ? Please. I would never tell my child that this was okay and that the child was normal and she should treat him , oops excuse me her as a girl. I think this is completely immoral and abnormal and that is what I would teach my child.I would still tell my little one that this person is a human being and that while we do not have to support his/her choices we still need to treat him/her as a human being with courteous behavior. (i would never allow my child to bully anyone) Having said that, I find the whole mess ridiculous. Where does the supportiveness and understanding stop? Next thing you know we will be supporting peoples rights to attend school naked as this is how they are most comfortable and how they express themselves.
I am not some bible toting bitch ready to cast judgment on everyone I see,but for goodness sakes! I think my tolerance has hit a wall with this nonsense.

**thehesbomb** · September 18th, 2009, 11:47 PM

I think this is completely immoral and abnormal and that is what I would teach my child.

If it was your child going through the experience of being transgendered you would tell him/her that she/he was essentially an abomination, a freak of nature?

Huh.

And people wonder why there's such a high rate of suicides in the GLBT community.

**jus shaking my head** · September 19th, 2009, 12:13 AM

What if when he or she is older and decides he wants to be a boy after all? How does a child know at this age?

No sarcasm intended BTW. At 12 years old I wanted to be Wonder Woman (cause she had boobs).

**thehesbomb** · September 19th, 2009, 12:16 AM

I'm not sure that I would allow such a dramatic change at this age (I think she's had the gender reassignment surgery - when she was 16). What I take issue with is the thought that a child should be made to feel a freak of nature for something that is clearly out of their control...and isn't hurting anyone.

**brokenandtwisted** · September 19th, 2009, 12:36 AM

The child should be allowed to identify as female...but I do not believe any sane doctor would allow for her to have intensive, invasive surgeries at such a young age. Wait until she's an adult for the transformation in my opinion.

**Zsu Zsu's Petals** · September 19th, 2009, 12:45 AM

Food for thought, two different approaches to dealing with gender identity in younger children: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=90247842

As for the original story~ I think that the child would have been better off in a school where she was completely unknown. If that wasn't possible, perhaps not living as a female during school hours would have helped. Ideally people would just let her live her life, but that's not going to happen.

**Pene784** · September 20th, 2009, 09:58 PM

If it was your child going through the experience of being transgendered you would tell him/her that she/he was essentially an abomination, a freak of nature?

Huh.

And people wonder why there's such a high rate of suicides in the GLBT community.

I have to say I honestly don't know how I would deal with such a child. Having said that, I don't think I should have to tell my child it is okay to decide what the lord gave you is unacceptable and you can edit your body. Why should I have to teach my children that this type of behavior is acceptable and tolerable if that is not what we believe? I love how everyone tells conservative people that they have to learn how to be more tolerant, when these same people do not offer me the same tolerance in regards to my belief? Interesting.

**thehesbomb** · September 20th, 2009, 10:18 PM

Why should I have to teach my children that this type of behavior is acceptable and tolerable if that is not what we believe?

You don't have to do anything. As much as I'd love it if I did, I don't get decide what other people do.

I will say as a parent that it would take a hell of a lot more than transgender/homosexual/cross-dressing, etc. for me to condemn my sweet child.

I love how everyone tells conservative people that they have to learn how to be more tolerable, when these same people do not offer me the same tolerance in regards to my belief? Interesting.

P.S. I think that the word you were looking for is "tolerant". Not "tolerable". Although it was an ironic mistake.

**absinthe** · September 20th, 2009, 11:22 PM

omg, DYING at pene's totally fitting freudian slip. i'm going to pretend it was a mistake and she knows the difference between tolerant and tolerable. i'm also going to pretend her user name is an homage to the italian penis.

**Awhell** · September 20th, 2009, 11:59 PM

I personally think there's nothing disgusting or particularly wrong with the kid. I think that she is an example of someone who is truly transgendered, as opposed to cross dressing for attention or a phsychological problem.
Her parents on the other hand, have got to be criminally stupid. Really truly dumb.
"Okay, sweetheart, we're gonna slap a dress on you, change your name and then throw your vulnerable naive little ass to the wolves that inhabit every school up through the college level. Have fun and don't forget your purse."

I think her parents maybe aren't that truly supportive, but they're willing to give it time and let high school beat the idea out of her. That way, they're still the good guys.

**Pene784** · September 21st, 2009, 12:38 AM

I will say as a parent that it would take a hell of a lot more than transgender/homosexual/cross-dressing, etc. for me to condemn my sweet child

I am not God, therefore I do not condemn anyone.As I said before, I don't know how to care for a child like the one in this article. I do know that just because I don't agree with someones views or behavior I do not treat them badly. I have a sibling that is openly gay. She has 5 children and is married to a woman. Do I agree with her decisions and life style? NO. Did I stop loving her as a sister or a person? NO. This is a perfect example of tolerance only working in one direction. I am instantly thought to be filled with hate or "condemned" because I don't share your views. Is that what you taught your child? If people do not share your views and opinions, then you should try to embarass them or make fun of them?

Thank you for correcting my "ironic" typo. Certainly wasn't my first and certainly will not be my last.

And no, pene is not italian for penis. It is however short for my beloved Boston Terrier Penelope that I have had for the last 11 years.

**absinthe** · September 21st, 2009, 12:53 AM

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pene nsfw

your views are unextraordinary, pene, but love your name.

**Pene784** · September 21st, 2009, 01:13 AM

your views are unextraordinary, pene, but love your name.

That is funny that you reference the name. Now that you have pointed out the fact that pene can also refer to a penis, I do remember my father saying that when I was a child and he is from Italy. I also call my dog "Pene" short for Penelope (easier to yell very loud "Pene" as she is almost completely deaf and startles easily if she doesn't hear you coming)Perhaps I should stop doing that when my parents are visiting. Maybe they think I am calling my dog a penis.

I dont claim my views are new or special, just my own.

**thehesbomb** · September 21st, 2009, 07:47 AM

I am instantly thought to be filled with hate or "condemned" because I don't share your views.

I would never tell my child that this was okay and that the child was normal and she should treat him , oops excuse me her as a girl. I think this is completely immoral and abnormal and that is what I would teach my child.

Do you really not see the discrepancy between these two statements?

Hmmm. You would tell your child and teach your child that a transgender person is immoral, and abnormal. You would openly tell your child to not treat the child as the gender that she identifies with.

Yet you have the chutzpah to make this statement:

Is that what you taught your child? If people do not share your views and opinions, then you should try to embarass them or make fun of them?

Irony. It's what's for breakfast.

**TheImperialCerealKiller** · September 21st, 2009, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Zsu Zsu's Petals

Food for thought, two different approaches to dealing with gender identity in younger children: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=90247842

As for the original story~ I think that the child would have been better off in a school where she was completely unknown. If that wasn't possible, perhaps not living as a female during school hours would have helped. Ideally people would just let her live her life, but that's not going to happen.

Interesting article- I gotta say, little Jona certainly sounds like the happier and better-adjusted of the two.
It would be interesting to follow up with these two kids in, say, 20 years, and see what they have to say about the approaches their parents took.

**TheImperialCerealKiller** · September 21st, 2009, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Pene784

I have to say I honestly don't know how I would deal with such a child. Having said that, I don't think I should have to tell my child it is okay to decide what the lord gave you is unacceptable and you can edit your body. Why should I have to teach my children that this type of behavior is acceptable and tolerable if that is not what we believe? I love how everyone tells conservative people that they have to learn how to be more tolerable, when these same people do not offer me the same tolerance in regards to my belief? Interesting.

I'm of a completely different opinion on this. My 7-year-old son knows what a transsexual is and is capable of understanding a mix-up of biology (that's the best I can explain it, not being a scientist). He understands that it isn't a choice for these people and has no problem treating transsexuals, homosexuals, etc, just like anyone else.

That said- I'm curious- how would someone like you explain somebody like Caster Semenya to a child? (Or even to yourself?) What about a hermaphrodite? Would you say "God made a mistake"??? Do you consider a hermaphrodite an immoral person?

**biteme** · September 21st, 2009, 10:48 AM

The real problem here are the parents creating an incredibly uncomfortable situation for their child, they handled this situation in a way to get as much attention as they
possibly could, to the detriment of the child. I don't see what they did positive in any way shape or form. CPS should be investigating these dysfunctional parents, they are no deferent than those parents, that let their son get bullied everyday for personal attention
The parents did this for themselves not the child. This could have been handled in the child's best interest, without creating a news event for themselves, this child is being abused by the parents for personal attention and possibly profit talk shows here we are, how much you want to pay for interviews.
CPS do your DAM! Job for once.

**TheImperialCerealKiller** · September 21st, 2009, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by biteme

The real problem here are the parents creating an incredibly uncomfortable situation for their child, they handled this situation in a way to get as much attention as they
possibly could, to the detriment of the child. I don't see what they did positive in any way shape or form. CPS should be investigating these dysfunctional parents, they are no deferent than those parents, that let their son get bullied everyday for personal attention
The parents did this for themselves not the child. This could have been handled in the child's best interest, without creating a news event for themselves, this child is being abused by the parents for personal attention and possibly profit talk shows here we are, how much you want to pay for interviews.
CPS do your DAM! Job for once.

If they wanted attention, wouldn't they want their names and photos to be made public? Why the media anonymity, do you suppose?

**biteme** · September 21st, 2009, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by TheImperialCerealKiller

If they wanted attention, wouldn't they want their names and photos to be made public? Why the media anonymity, do you suppose?

BS everyone obviously knows who it is, its part of their game, you really think they expected to not be recognized, sending the child to a school with previous school mates, like going from some 5th grades to 6th in some schools it's a deferent and new school but about 50% of the same students from the district move up into the same school. Yeah sure they didn't expect the child to be recognized by 50% of previous schoolmates, maybe we need to give them an IQ test.

**TheImperialCerealKiller** · September 21st, 2009, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by biteme

BS everyone obviously knows who it is, its part of their game, you really think they expected to not be recognized, sending the child to a school with previous school mates, like going from some 5th grades to 6th in some schools it's a deferent and new school but about 50% of the same students from the district move up into the same school. Yeah sure they didn't expect the child to be recognized by 50% of previous schoolmates, maybe we need to give them an IQ test.

Sure, people at the kid's school will know who they are. But if the desire for attention is making them force their son to grow long hair and act like a girl, wouldn't worldwide attention be even better? Maybe they do need an IQ test, because if they really are famewhores, they aren't very good ones, are they?

**sorrow_discord** · September 21st, 2009, 11:43 AM

Pene784, I assume that use Lev. 18:22 or Lev. 20:13 to form the moral belief that homosexuality is a sin. My question is, do you eat pork (lev. 11:7) Shrimp (Lev. 11:12) Wear clothing of mixed linen (Lev.19:19) Make sure that any meat you eat is drained of all blood (Lev. 19:26) Would you kill your children if they cursed you (Lev. 20:9) Stone someone for adultry (Lev. 20:10) Work on the sabbath (Lev. 23:3)? Thats just to name a few. Do you give sacrifice when it is your time of the month, or after the birth of your children? Does your husband give sacrifice after he has a discharge of semen? I bet not, yet these are also a part of the holiness codes

One thing that I never understood is the reasoning behind Conservative Christians picking perhaps a handful of passages from the book of Leviticus and ignoring the rest.

**biteme** · September 21st, 2009, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by TheImperialCerealKiller

Sure, people at the kid's school will know who they are. But if the desire for attention is making them force their son to grow long hair and act like a girl, wouldn't worldwide attention be even better? Maybe they do need an IQ test, because if they really are famewhores, they aren't very good ones, are they?

They only just begun, story just came out, they sure as hell have more publicity than last year, lets see how it pans out for the publicity IDIOTS going forward. School year just started or am I missing something, this is just the beginning. So far their plan seems to be right on schedule. Now we wait and see what the future brings, I don't see these Aholes any deferent than octtomom

**TheImperialCerealKiller** · September 21st, 2009, 12:09 PM

I'm seeing at least 30-40 articles about this kid online and not one interview with the parents, nor any mention of the kid's name or identifying information. It sounds like another, more small-minded parent called the media- the only quotes in the article come from some random mom who sounds pissed. I'd say 'random pissed-off mom' is the real famewhore here, wouldn't you? She's the one blabbing away in the papers. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the intentions are, how about that? Let's give it a month- any famewhore worth his/her salt is going to go public while the story's still hot, right?

Really- parents who figure out how to alter the androgen receptors in their kid's brain, just to get in the papers? You really believe that?