Charles Manson & Family

[malq]

What's the point, they are not going to let him out

Charlie does not want out. He is too intitutionalized to leave prison. Society scares him and he has no idea how to handle it if he were magically released. Coming from a society that is driven by a pecking order, to one which is driven by finance and success is so foreign to these guys. Most, if released, do something to get back in. He is very comfortable where he is at.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Notorious killer Charles Manson, 77, was denied parole Wednesday after a California parole panel "could find nothing good as far as suitability" for his being paroled, a commissioner said.

Manson didn't show up for his parole hearing, which was held at a state prison in Corcoran, California, where he is serving a life sentence.

Manson's next parole hearing was scheduled for 15 years from now, meaning he could die in prison.

California Board of Parole Hearings Commissioner John Peck said that Manson has accumulated 108 serious disciplinary violations in prison since 1971 and that he has shown no indication of remorse for his nine murder convictions.

Manson hasn't participated in any self-help programs or vocational training, Peck said. Manson also hasn't shown any parole plans, he said.

Peck also cited Manson's statement to a psychologist in a prison interview on November 2, 2011, in which Manson stated:

"I am special. I am not like the average inmate. I have put five people in the grave. I've been in prison most of my life. I'm a very dangerous man," Manson told the psychologist, according to a report read aloud by Peck during the hearing.

Those statements marked a change from Manson's past denials of having murdered nine people in 1969, and the statements showed some insight into his crimes, Peck said, reading from the report.

But two-member parole panel still found the statements troubling, denying him parole and scheduling his next hearing for 15 years from now, the maximum allowed under law, Peck said.

That would put Manson at age 92 for his next hearing, unless he petitions the board for an earlier hearing.

Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira, who opposed Manson's parole at the hearing, said Manson is likely to die in prison. Sequeira said he didn't know which "five people" Manson was referring to in his statement to the psychologist.

"When you think a person will be 92 years old, it's very likely that there will be no further parole hearings for Mr. Manson," Sequeira told reporters after the 80-minute hearing concluded.

"He does not deserve to be returned to society," the prosecutor added. "He has a history of refusing to cooperate, not only with psychologists for evaluations, but also for treatment."

DeJon R. Lewis, Manson's state-appointed attorney, who has never met his client, said he didn't know why Manson didn't show up for the hearing. Manson hasn't appeared at any of his parole hearings during the past 15 years.

Manson didn't come out of his cell to participate in an interview with Lewis a month ago, Lewis told the parole panel.

"Quite frankly, I don't think he could have helped himself today by speaking on the record," Lewis told reporters after the hearing.

Manson now has been denied parole 12 times, authorities said.
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Debra Tate, the sister of Sharon Tate, who attended Wednesday's hearing, told the parole panel that she believed Manson declined to attend the proceeding because he didn't want to hear her or any other victim's impact statement.

"He clearly does not want to be released into the public," Tate told the parole board.

After Manson was denied parole, with his next hearing scheduled for 2027, Tate was "elated," she told reporters. She has been attending Manson's parole hearings for the past 15 years.

"I was very pleased that we will never hear from Charlie Manson again," Tate told reporters. "I don't have to see him again. For this one, it's over."

Last October, Manson was found to be in possession of an inmate-manufactured weapon and he is now being held for 15 months in isolation in a secured housing unit in the California State Prison Corcoran, said Commissioner Gilbert Robles, the other member of the two-person parole panel.

In another incident, Manson was also found to be in a possession of a cell phone, another prison violation, the panel said.

Of the 108 serious discipline violations committed by Manson in prison, 35 of them were violent, Sequeira said.

Seven of the serious disciplinary violations occurred since Manson's previous parole hearing in 2007, the prosecutor said.

Manson has a history of manipulative and controlling behavior and has a record of mental health issues, including schizophrenia and a paranoid delusional disorder, Robles said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/11/ju...harles-manson/

[princessgrandma]

Yeah, he's pretty special, all right. A special kind of whackjob. @malq is right. He doesn't want out. He's said that prison is his home. Charles Manson is uneducated, not stupid. The moment he steps one foot outside of prison, the clock will start ticking. It will only be a matter of a short while before someone either kills him or makes an attempt to.

This is history in the making. This was most likely his last parole opportunity. I don't know why parole was ever even in the picture, possibility or not. It never should have been. Someone as special as ol' Charlie there would never survive in the real world, but then, I don't think "real" is anywhere near in his vocabulary, like "reality," for instance. He's lived in his own little world for most of those 77 years and is his own special brand of psycho, a poisonous flower child.

[malq]

Yeah, he's pretty special, all right. A special kind of whackjob. @malq is right. He doesn't want out. He's said that prison is his home. Charles Manson is uneducated, not stupid. The moment he steps one foot outside of prison, the clock will start ticking. It will only be a matter of a short while before someone either kills him or makes an attempt to.

This is history in the making. This was most likely his last parole opportunity. I don't know why parole was ever even in the picture, possibility or not. It never should have been. Someone as special as ol' Charlie there would never survive in the real world, but then, I don't think "real" is anywhere near in his vocabulary, like "reality," for instance. He's lived in his own little world for most of those 77 years and is his own special brand of psycho, a poisonous flower child.

The one thing Charlie said and I agree upon to a point, is he likes babies and children because they have not been contaminated by societies values and preconceived ideas.
It's an interesting thought.

here is a direct quote from him on the subject to ponder

“A baby is born into this world in a state of fear. Total paranoia and awareness. He sees the world with eyes not used yet. As he grows up, his parents lay all this stuff on him. They tell him, when they should be letting him tell them. Let the children lead you.”

[princessgrandma]

The one thing Charlie said and I agree upon to a point, is he likes babies and children because they have not been contaminated by societies values and preconceived ideas.
It's an interesting thought.

Who knows, @malq? We might have saved the children of the world from a potential child molester or something like that by keeping him confined all this time. I could sooo see him adding it to his lengthy resume of crime.

[Whisper]

Women Linked by Manson Murders Form Odd Friendship

On August 9, 1969, two naive 17-year-old girls were launched on a path that led to the unlikeliest of friendships.

That infamous night, four young people under the sway of a charismatic career criminal slipped into a neighborhood of Hollywood glitterati, then bludgeoned and stabbed rising young actress Sharon Tate, coffee heiress Abigail Folger and two others. Across town the next night, the band killed again.

The name Charles Manson quickly became a synonym for unimaginable evil, which nobody knows better than Debra Tate, Sharon's little sister, and Barbara Hoyt, the Manson family member whose testimony helped put the killers in prison.

"We've got a lot in common," said Hoyt, now a retired nurse. "She has been a big help to me."

"She makes sure I am holding my head up high," Tate said, "and I do the same for her."

Now both about 60, a Manson family member and the last living Tate family member have bonded in their long quest to keep those responsible behind bars. Both have testified repeatedly at Manson's parole hearings. Both say they still get threats from the cult killer's supporters — mostly white supremacists enamored with murders Manson orchestrated to incite a race war dubbed "Helter Skelter."

Even now not a day passes without Hoyt dwelling on the suffering Manson and her former comrades inflicted and on the widespread terror that ensued.


"We are completely linked by this event whether we want to be or not," she said of Debra Tate, who now runs a crime victims group. "She understands me, and I understand where she's coming from."

Hoyt never committed a crime for Manson, and her testimony helped send the cult leader and four followers to death row in 1971. The following year, when the California Supreme Court ruled the death penalty unconstitutional, their new life terms made them eligible for a while for annual parole consideration.

That is when the lives of Barbara Hoyt and Debra Tate began to intertwine. Over the decades, each as written letters to parole panels urging that the killers never be released, and each has traveled to obscure California farming towns for parole hearings in prisons housing some of the state's most notorious convicts.

At first Hoyt testified partly out of fear that the killers would seek revenge if released. But after becoming a registered nurse, she realized that the psychological and emotional pain of having to relive her involvement with the cult was another part of her payback to society.

"It's a descent into hell and then having to climb back out again," Hoyt said. "I think about it and I feel I was simply there to be a witness, because that has been my role. God gave me that role, and that's my reality."

Meanwhile Tate's late mother, Doris, had become the driving force for victims' rights in California and was instrumental in a 1982 law that allows family members to testify about their losses at trials and parole hearings.

When Doris died, that left her daughters Debra and Patti to carry on with her work. Patti died of breast cancer in 2000, leaving Debra, disabled from a postal service accident, to go it alone.

"Over time our mutual efforts brought us together," Hoyt said.

Now they talk regularly on the phone and get together when they're in the same town, usually for a parole hearing. Tate lives in the Southern California desert, and Hoyt in the Pacific Northwest, the specific location wants to keep secret.
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more at link

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/w...dship-16144470

[Whisper]

bankruptcy court judge has agreed to turn over audio tapes of conversations between Manson Family member Charles 'Tex' Watson and his former attorney to the Los Angeles Police Department. The tape recordings are part of the estate of deceased attorney Bill Boyd whose law firm is in Chapter 7 bankruptcy proceedings.
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Homicide detective Dan Jenks and Lt. Yana Horvatich requested the tapes from Boyd's former law firm. The firm asked the bankruptcy judge to grant legal authority to turn the tapes over to police.

Waived Attorney-Client Privelege
Judge Brenda T. Rhoades ruled that because Watson once allowed the co-author of his 1978 book, "Will You Die for Me? The Man Who Killed for Charles Manson Tells His Own Story," to hear the tapes, he gave up his right to attorney-client privilege.

Watson, 65, argued through his current attorney that he did not give up attorney-client privilege when he made the book deal to pay his legal fees.

There is no mention in the book of any unsolved crimes and LAPD detectives were quick to explain that they have no idea of what information the tapes might contain, they are just doing due diligence.

Evidence of Unsolved Crimes?
But the possibility that there may be new evidence of unsolved Manson crimes brings up some interesting possibilities.

Watson and the other Manson Family members involved in the 1969 Tate-La Bianca murders were all originally sentenced to death. Their sentences were commuted to life sentences in 1972 when the Supreme Court briefly outlawed the death penalty.

If the Watson tapes do contain leads to other murders the family committed, those involved could be charged and brought to trial, because there is no statute of limitations on the crime of murder.

If convicted, Charles Manson and his followers could conceivably find themselves back on death row after all these years.

http://crime.about.com/b/2012/05/30/...tapes.htm?nl=1

[Whisper]

LOS ANGELES, Calif. - A former Charles Manson follower imprisoned for 40 years after being convicted with Manson and another man in the killings of a musician and a stuntman, won a recommendation of parole in his 27th appearance before a parole board panel.

The answer to Bruce Davis's plea for freedom came on the eve of his 70th birthday. He was a young man of 30 when he was sentenced to life in prison in 1972 in a case that was a postscript to Manson's notorious reign as leader of the murderous communal cult known as the Manson family.

Davis, while convicted in the double murder engineered by Manson, was not involved in the infamous Sharon Tate murders in 1969.

"While your behaviour was atrocious, your crimes did occur 43 years ago," parole board member Jeff Ferguson told Davis, according to the San Luis Obispo Tribune.

Davis long maintained he was a bystander in the killings of the two men, but in recent years he has acknowledged his shared responsibility, and said Thursday he has "made remarkable progress in coming to terms with what I did."

"I want to try to make up for some of the pain and destruction I've caused," Davis said, according to the Tribune.

The hearing was held at the California Men's Colony at San Luis Obispo, where Davis is imprisoned.

His release was opposed by a Los Angeles prosecutor and by a former Manson family member, Barbara Hoyt, as well as Sharon Tate's sister, Debra Tate, who attended the hearing.

The recommendation is not the last hurdle in Davis' quest for freedom. The parole grant is subject to a 120-day review period by the entire parole board. If it is upheld, Gov. Jerry Brown then has 30 days to review the decision.

Los Angeles County district attorney's spokeswoman Sandi Gibbons said: "We certainly disagree with the board's decision. We will evaluate how we plan to proceed as the matter goes to Gov. Brown."

She noted that District Attorney Steve Cooley helped persuade then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to stop Davis' release on his prior parole date in 2010.

A parole board determined then that Davis was ready for release, saying he had no recent disciplinary problems and had completed education and self-help programs.

However, Schwarzenegger reversed the decision, citing the heinous nature of the crimes and saying Davis was still a danger.

Brown's spokesman Gil Duran declined comment after Thursday's hearing, saying the issue had not yet reached the governor's desk.

Davis has been in prison since being convicted with Manson and another follower, Steve Grogan, in the murders of musician Gary Hinman and stuntman Donald "Shorty" Shea.

"I'm pleased and relieved and I hope Bruce's ordeal will be over," said attorney Michael Beckman, who has been fighting for years for the release of Davis.

He said an emotional Davis spoke to the panel at length and took responsibility for his role in the killings. Davis also said he tried to do good for other inmates and would continue ministering for troubled souls on the outside, the lawyer said.

If eventually freed, Davis will go to transitional housing associated with religious groups in Los Angeles County.

Davis became a born-again Christian in prison and ministered to other inmates, married a woman he met through the prison ministry, and has a grown daughter. The couple recently divorced.

Beckman said Davis also earned a master's degree and a doctorate in philosophy of religion.

Beckman said his client is totally rehabilitated and meets state requirements for parole. Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira opposed his release.

Few followers of the infamous Manson cult have been released from prison. Grogan was freed in 1985 after he led police to Shea's buried body.

Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme was released from federal prison in 2009 after serving time for the attempted assassination of President Gerald Ford.
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http://news.ca.msn.com/world/panel-r...amily-member-9

[Whisper]

Attorney: Many More Manson Murders
http://crime.about.com/b/2013/02/06/...rders.htm?nl=1

[Whisper]

http://crime.about.com/b/2013/02/06/...rders.htm?nl=1

[Dakota Valkyrie]

The Los Angeles Police Department can have access to personal tape recordings between Charles Manson follower Charles D. "Tex" Watson and his late attorney that investigators believe might hold clues to unsolved killings, a federal judge in Texas ruled Tuesday.

U.S. District Court Judge Richard Schell ruled that Watson waived his right to attorney-client privilege in 1976 by allowing his attorney to sell the tapes for $49,000 to the man who co-authored Watson's memoir.

LAPD investigators want the decades-old recordings between Watson and his attorneys because they believe the tapes could shed light on unsolved killings involving the "family," as Manson's followers were called, according to court documents.

"We are continuing to monitor the case, and are prepared to send our detectives out to Texas to pick up the tapes as soon as they are available," LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith told CNN.

"It is our understanding that there is a 30-day window for appeal, and we will wait for that to time to transpire before we send our detectives to Texas."

The news of the judge's ruling came the same day that California Department of Corrections authorities said they arrested a Mason follower, accusing him of attempting to smuggle a cell phone to Manson at Corcoran State Prison.

For more than four decades, authorities have speculated the Manson family was responsible for the rampage that left pregnant actress Sharon Tate and six others dead, including Leno and Rosemary LaBianca.

Manson has claimed more people were killed, though he has repeatedly made fantastic claims that later turn out to be false.

Watson has long maintained there is nothing for authorities to gain with the recordings.

In a June 5, 2012, letter to CNN, Watson wrote: "There is nothing new on the tapes that was excluded from my book 'Will You Die For Me?' The book was co-authored to show delicate consideration when sharing the graphic details of the crime in order to show respect towards the families of the victims."

Watson, Manson and three others -- Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten -- were convicted of murder in the killings.

In the letter to CNN, Watson asserted that "there are no unsolved murders committed by the Manson Family."
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The tapes are about eight hours of recordings between Watson and his attorney from 1969, Bill Boyd of McKinney, Texas, according to court papers. Boyd died in 2009.

According to court documents, Watson waived his attorney-client privilege to the tapes in 1976, and his attorney received partial payment for his legal fees when he gave a copy of the tapes to Chaplain Raymond G. Hoekstra, who subsequently co-authored the book, "Will You Die for Me: The Man Who Killed for Charles Manson Tells His Own Story."
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In 2008, Watson wrote CNN that he was aware of no bodies buried in a remote Death Valley, California, site called Barker Ranch, the last hideout for Manson and his family, when CNN did a report about a corpse-sniffing dog visiting the site.

Watson, 66, was convicted of seven counts of first-degree murder and has been denied parole 16 times. He will be considered again in 2016, according to the California Department of Corrections.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/21802336/...pes-hold-clues