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    Charles Manson & Family

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    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/03/14/....ap/index.html

    DEATH VALLEY NATIONAL PARK, California (AP) -- Bone-white stretches of salt, leached up from the lifeless soil, lay like a shroud over the high desert where a paranoid Charles Manson holed up after an orgy of murder nearly four decades ago.

    Now, as then, few venture into this alkaline wilderness -- gold-diggers, outlaws, loners content to live and let live.

    But a determined group of outsiders recently made the trek. They were leading forensic investigators searching for new evidence of death -- clues pointing to possible decades-old clandestine graves.

    And the results of just-completed followup tests suggest bodies could indeed be lying beneath the parched ground. The test findings -- described in detail to The Associated Press, which had accompanied the site search -- conclude there are two likely clandestine grave sites at Barker Ranch, and one additional site that merits further investigation.

    Next step, the ad hoc investigators urge: Dig.

    For years, rumors have swirled about other possible Manson family victims -- hitchhikers who visited them at the ranch and were not seen again, runaways who drifted into the camp then fell out of favor.

    The same jailhouse confessions that helped investigators initially connect the band of misfits living in the Panamint Mountains to the gruesome killings that terrorized Los Angeles hinted at other deaths. Manson follower Susan Atkins boasted to her cell mate on November 1, 1969, that there were "three people out in the desert that they done in." Other stories surfaced. In the absence of bodies, they were forgotten.

    "We prosecuted Manson and the family for all the murders we could prove. But you know, could he have killed someone else? Possibly. Could another member of the family have killed someone? Sure," said Steve Kay, a former deputy district attorney.

    I'll be watching this one.

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    Charles Manson's last hideout, Barker Ranch, has been gutted by fire.[/B][/B]

    Death Valley National Park spokesman Terry Baldino said Thursday that the isolated cabin was discovered burned on Tuesday.

    He says it's not known if it was an accident or a deliberate act.

    The cabin was last seen intact Friday and may have burned over the weekend.

    Manson and his followers hid at the cabin after killing actress Sharon Tate and seven others in the summer of 1969.

    He was arrested there that fall and is serving a life sentence.

    For years, there were rumors that other Manson family victims might be buried on the property.

    Investigators using high-tech forensic gear found nothing when they dug at the ranch last May, however.

    A restoration crew was at the ranch about a month ago to clean it and make repairs.

    Investigators were working to determine the cause of the fire.

    A park archaeologist will help determine whether the building should be rebuilt.
    http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktl...0,892374.story

    Longer article: http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/cr...ide-away-gutt/
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    What would be the reasons for repairing it? Does it have some sort of historical significance apart from the fact that a gang of murdering lunatics once hid out there?

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    According to the longer article:
    "If there hadn't been the notoriety of Manson I wonder if anyone would have cared or if there would be any interest," said Baldino. "It was a valuable resource to us and not because of Manson. It was because it was another piece of mining history. Our history goes back to the 1880's."
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    I should clearly have followed the link.

    Thank you for teasing out the relevant passage for me, DV.







    And if it is relevant to mining history, I can see why they might want to restore it. Pity they cannot do so without furnishing ghouls with a place of morbid pilgrimage as well.

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    Why would you rebuild it.... I see no point period. I don't even like the thought of rebuilding it. I'm sure there are better uses for money and a killer like Manson should never be glorified. He should have sat in Old Sparky and not life in prision.

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    Susan Atkins might get Paroled, (stabbed and killed a 8 month pregnant Sharon Tate)

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    Sharon Tate was accually one of my distant Kin folk. I say Let the bitch rot and die behind bars were she belongs. Susan Atkins said Tate "asked me to let her baby live. ... I told her I didn't have any mercy on her. Her actual words were, ""Look bitch, I don't care about you. I don't care if you're going to have a baby or not. You're going to die and I don't feel anything about it." Then she stabbed a 8 month pregnant Sharon Tate 16 fucking times. Yeah I don't care about you either Susan or any of the rest of them.


    The longest-serving female inmate in the California prison system, Atkins is reportedly dying of brain cancer and has had a leg amputated. A request for compassionate release is pending before prison authorities.
    LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- The woman who stabbed pregnant actress Sharon Tate to death will be considered for parole from prison a month after the 40th anniversary of the killings that cast a shadow of fear over southern California.

    Susan Atkins, 61, has been denied parole in 17 previous hearings, but the former "Manson Family" member now is terminally ill with brain cancer and is paralyzed.

    Charles Manson used his hypnotic powers to direct Atkins and other "family" members to kill seven people, including the pregnant Tate, in a two-night rampage that terrorized the city of Los Angeles, California, in August 1969.

    Atkins -- who was initially sentenced to death along with Manson and three others -- will have her 18th parole hearing on September 2, according to a spokesman with the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

    In July of last year, Atkins -- California's longest-serving female inmate -- was denied a compassionate release in a unanimous decision by the California Board of Parole Hearings.

    She has repeatedly been described as a model prisoner who has accepted responsibility for her role in the slayings, and she now shuns Manson.

    By her own admission, Atkins held Tate down as she pleaded for mercy and stabbed the pregnant woman 16 times. In a 1993 parole board hearing, Atkins said Tate "asked me to let her baby live. ... I told her I didn't have any mercy on her."

    After stabbing Tate to death, according to historical accounts of the murders, Atkins scrawled the word "pig" in blood on the door of the home Tate shared with her husband, director Roman Polanski. Polanski was not home at the time, but three of Tate's house guests were also slain by the killers, as was a teenager who was visiting the home's caretaker in his nearby cottage.

    A Web site maintained by her husband and attorney, James Whitehouse, says Atkins is now paralyzed over 85 percent of her body and cannot sit up in bed or even be moved into a wheelchair.

    However, despite her declining condition and her impressive prison record, the site says, "there is still a very real chance the Parole Board will nonetheless insist her release would be a danger to society."

    Atkins' compassionate release was opposed by Tate's sister, Debra, Los Angeles County prosecutors and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, among others. However, the former prosecutor who won her conviction, Vincent Bugliosi, said he supports Atkins' request for release.

    "She has paid substantially, though not completely, for her horrendous crimes," Bugliosi told the Los Angeles Times last year. "Paying completely would mean imposing the death penalty."

    Bugliosi is the author of several books on the Manson case, including "Helter Skelter."

    Debra Tate told CNN in an e-mail in March that she does not believe any Manson family member convicted of murder should ever be set free, saying the slayings were "so vicious, so inhumane, so depraved, that there is no turning back."

    "The 'Manson Family' murderers are sociopaths, and from that, they can never be rehabilitated," Debra Tate said. "They should all stay right where they are -- in prison -- until they die. There will never be true justice for my sister Sharon and the other victims of the 'Manson Family.' Keeping the murderers in prison is the least we, as a society who values justice, can do."

    In a manuscript posted on her Web site, Atkins, who was known within the Manson family as Sadie Mae Glutz, wrote that "this is the past I have to live with, and I have to live with it every day."

    "Unlike the reader, or the people who seem to think Charles Manson was cool, I can't think about it for an hour or so and then go on with my life. Just like the families and friends of the victims, this is with me every day. I have to wake up every day with this and no matter what I do for the rest of my life and no matter how much I give back to the community I will never be able to replace what my crime took away. And that's not 'neat,' and that's not 'cool.'"

    Atkins was housed in the California Institution for Women at Frontera until May 2008, when her declining health caused her to be moved to Central California Women's Facility at Chowchilla.

    Manson and those convicted along with him in the murders -- Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten and Charles "Tex" Watson -- have been in California prisons for more than three decades.

    All were initially sentenced to death, only to have their sentences commuted to life in prison when the Supreme Court struck down death penalty laws in 1972, establishing a four-year moratorium on executions. Van Houten was released for six months after her conviction was overturned, but was reconvicted.
    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/05/...ing/index.html


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    A request for compassionate release is pending before prison authorities.
    Screw that. She didn't show much compassion while slaughtering Sharon Tate.

    I couldn't care less if she is paralyzed. Let her lay in her bed and drop some food coloring into the pool of spittle that accumulates on the floor and have some gloved guard go in daily and write the word PIG with it on her cell walls and ceiling...you know, where she can enjoy it.

    I have no sympathy. Does it show?

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    Rest In Peace Sharon Tate and baby Paul Polanski


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    Interviews with Charles Manson are hilarious.

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    do you really think they were all sociopaths? they just happened to find each other and there was not a sane one amongst them? it seems a little more likely to me that they show how a crazy person can bring out your innate craziness and make you do things you would not ordinarily do. but then, idk much about them individually - like previous to their charlieness or after their incarceration.

    and i do believe that tho it sucks that she has cancer, she should continue to be incarcerated in some capacity. im sorry, but the DOC just has to deal with it.

    i have had clients tell me that they were released from traffic/petty drug warrants for being "too sick to be in jail". they were fine. the municipality was either hiv-phobic or didnt want to pay for their meds. well, taxpayers are gonna pay for her illness either way - and she has crazy eyes. so keep her.

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    A request for compassionate release is pending before prison authorities.
    I'm with Thinkgoat on this. Her brain cancer and amputated leg are only the beginning of justice for her. Let her wither away and die in there. Alone. 40 years? That's nothing to what she took away from Sharon and her baby and family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petrina
    do you really think they were all sociopaths? they just happened to find each other and there was not a sane one amongst them? it seems a little more likely to me that they show how a crazy person can bring out your innate craziness and make you do things you would not ordinarily do.
    I agree, I don't think they were all insane, just young, dumb and full of cum. And hallucinogenics. Then they were crazy. While Charlie's ultimate intentions were noble, he lacks in IQ when he makes up for in charisma. That is why he failed.

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    I thought a few months ago she was denied??If they release her they are nuts!!Where was the compassion when they sliced Sharon Tate and her baby boy up and then strung them up in a noose over a wooden beam??Stabbing and murdering her and her baby wasnt enough she had to go further and string her up.I say let her die in prison,no meds no treatments and string her up after shes gone and that still isnt enough for what she did.I dont care about the Charles Manson connection and his goof troop followers people have their own minds no matter what.LSD theory,sorry town I was raised in we used to ask our parents for $4.00 each weekend to go to the movies(town didnt have a movie theatre,go figure) and we would buy a hit,back then it wasnt a big deal.None of us sliced up pregnant women and strung them and their babies up over a wooden beam.I dont think any amount of time will cover what they did to any of those people not just her!!I dont remember the Manson family saga but its weird b/c I brought Helter Skelter home to read the other night from my moms .She remembers it all.
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    This has been brewing for some time. Patricia Krenwinkle is using some angles as well. It will nor be long before Atkins dies. Watching old interviews of her she seems almost proud of it. I say old sadie may glutz can rot in jail at home. It doesn't matter much. She is almost dead and this is sweet revenge for some, watching her die a slow death. the Tate family has been to every parole hearing for all of them and has a powerful message.
    here is their website. If it wasn't for them, fear not, they would be out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Death Bed View Post
    I agree, I don't think they were all insane, just young, dumb and full of cum. And hallucinogenics. Then they were crazy. While Charlie's ultimate intentions were noble, he lacks in IQ when he makes up for in charisma. That is why he failed.

    Geeze DB, Charlie thought he was Jesus Fucking Christ, for fucks sake. There wasnt any noble bone in his whole body. LaBianca was stabed a shitload of times with a bayonet then the bitch carved "War" on his belly, but that wasnt good enough for them, They went back with a ivory-handled carving fork and stabbed him 14 more time, THEN stuck a steak knife in his throat.

    Then they used the blood to write "RISE, DEATH TO PIGS HEALTER SKELTER on the walls. Manson was trying to start a race war, by killing white people and framing the black people for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thinkgoat View Post
    Screw that. She didn't show much compassion while slaughtering Sharon Tate.

    I couldn't care less if she is paralyzed. Let her lay in her bed and drop some food coloring into the pool of spittle that accumulates on the floor and have some gloved guard go in daily and write the word PIG with it on her cell walls and ceiling...you know, where she can enjoy it.

    I have no sympathy. Does it show?
    I searched, and was able to find sympathy for her.

    Right in here:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazzzzz"
    Manson was trying to start a race war, by killing white people and framing the black people for it.
    And he would have gotten away with it too! If it wasn't for you darn fool kids!

    OMG wouldn't that be awesome? Scooby & the gang vs. the Manson Family? Charlie would probably offer them some special scooby snacks and then indoctrinate them into his cult. What's the chick with the glasses name? Thelma? Louise? She would make a good Manson chick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Death Bed View Post
    And he would have gotten away with it too! If it wasn't for you darn fool kids!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Death Bed View Post
    Charlie would probably offer them some special scooby snacks and then indoctrinate them into his cult. What's the chick with the glasses name? Thelma? Louise? She would make a good Manson chick.
    it scares me a little how excited you seem to be by this scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petrina View Post
    it scares me a little how excited you seem to be by this scenario.
    You seem surprised.

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    Her name was Velma, DB.

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    Jinkies, LissaLou! You're right!



    While I was looking for a pic of Velma to post, I found a couple disturbing items of note.

    1) Velma has her own fan site.
    2) There is a site dedicated to Scooby Doo porn. NSFW!

    Are either of these necessary?

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    Sharon Tate was hot, Susan Atkins looks like a man in those last two photos. We know why she had no compassion...it's like the ugly ass librarian girl fucking up the head cheerleader with no sympathy.

    I am however shocked that a parole board would declare someone with 85% of their body paralyzed a 'danger to society'.

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    BT - I agree. She is not a physical danger to society. I would argue on a philosophical front that her early release is a danger to society by setting a precedent - "Here is one of our most infamous criminals, and she is being released due to health", contrary to the terms of her sentence. It devalues the word of justice.

    Let her sentence run it's course. It is about fulfilled. The only thing left is cremation and burial in an unmarked grave! It is the ONLY fitting ending for a "LIFE" sentence. If we don't literally mean mean it - don't impose it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazlo View Post
    BT - I agree. She is not a physical danger to society. I would argue on a philosophical front that her early release is a danger to society by setting a precedent - "Here is one of our most infamous criminals, and she is being released due to health", contrary to the terms of her sentence. It devalues the word of justice.

    Let her sentence run it's course. It is about fulfilled. The only thing left is cremation and burial in an unmarked grave! It is the ONLY fitting ending for a "LIFE" sentence. If we don't literally mean mean it - don't impose it!

    I wonder if that herpes sore on her lip came from Charlie?
    well said but you could also argue to let her go and free the state of the financial burden. her care is astronomical. So after thinking about this all day, It might work to let her out on conditional release. electronic bracelet, probation appointments she must make(after all she is attending her parole hearing in a gurney), strict house arrest with no contact with the media.
    Just alone in a bedroom waiting to die with a huge portrait of Sharon Tate instead of a tv.

    the financial cost is the biggest issue. Even though California is bankrupt.
    It would be a circus anyway you look at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by malq View Post
    I wonder if that herpes sore on her lip came from Charlie?
    well said but you could also argue to let her go and free the state of the financial burden. her care is astronomical. So after thinking about this all day, It might work to let her out on conditional release. electronic bracelet, probation appointments she must make(after all she is attending her parole hearing in a gurney), strict house arrest with no contact with the media.
    Just alone in a bedroom waiting to die with a huge portrait of Sharon Tate instead of a tv.

    the financial cost is the biggest issue. Even though California is bankrupt.
    It would be a circus anyway you look at it.
    Thanks for that very valid point. And in a pragmatic view, an entirely correct one. One question, however: does simply releasing her from prison release the State of California from the responsibility of her care, or simply transfer the burden from one agency to another?

    But, to remain true to my original thought, I propose that it is wrong to release someone for heath reasons if they are sentenced to life in prison. It should be foreseen that they will eventually fail, and that cost will increase as they approach the end of their lives. It should be intrinsic in the sentence that no extraordinary measures will be employed to extend the natural span. If an inmate develops cancer, meds to keep the pain tolerable should be dispensed, but no aggressive treatment given. The psychological effect of knowing that one will die IN prison should be part of the punishment. If the State is unwilling, (or unable), to bear the burden a life sentence implies, it should not impose the penalty.

    I have always felt that a life sentence was a gutless alternative to execution; a feel good compromise to appease the squeamish! To avoid the responsibility for the sentence at the end, when it becomes uncomfortable, is, imho, cowardice.

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    After 34 years, Lynette 'Squeaky' Fromme to be released

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    The president she tried to assassinate has been dead for nearly three years, and her longtime idol and leader, Charles Manson, remains in prison.

    Lynnette "Squeaky" Fromme appears in court in Los Angeles, California, in December 1969.
    However, Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme is about to get her first taste of real freedom in more than three decades.

    According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, Fromme, now 60, is set to be released on parole August 16.

    Fromme is housed at the Federal Medical Center at Carswell, Texas.

    For years, she was one of Manson's few remaining followers, as many other "Manson Family" members have shunned him. A prison spokeswoman would not say whether Fromme continues to correspond with Manson.

    Fromme was convicted in 1975 of pointing a gun at then-President Gerald Ford in Sacramento, California. Secret Service agents prevented her from firing, but the gun was later found to have no bullet in the chamber, although it contained a clip of ammunition.

    In a 1987 interview with CNN affiliate WCHS, Fromme, then housed in West Virginia, recalled the president "had his hands out and was waving ... and he looked like cardboard to me. But at the same time, I had ejected the bullet in my apartment and I used the gun as it was."

    She said she knew Ford was in town and near her, "and I said, 'I gotta go and talk to him,' and then I thought, 'That's foolish. He's not going to stop and talk to you.' People have already shown you can lay blood in front of them and they're not, you know, they don't think anything of it. I said, 'Maybe I'll take the gun,' and I thought, 'I have to do this. This is the time.' "

    She said it never occurred to her that she could wind up in prison. Asked whether she had any regrets, Fromme said, "No. No, I don't. I feel it was fate." However, she said she thought that her incarceration was "unnecessary" and that she couldn't see herself repeating her offense.

    "My argument to the jury was, if she wanted to kill him, she would have shot him," John Virga, a Sacramento attorney appointed to defend Fromme, told CNN on Tuesday. "She'd been around guns. And let's be realistic: We know the Manson family, at least some of them, are killers."

    Fromme was sentenced to life in prison, but parole was an option at the time, although the federal system later abolished it, said Felicia Ponce, spokeswoman for the Bureau of Prisons. Inmates do receive "good time" -- for every year and one day they serve, Ponce said, 54 days are lopped off their sentence.

    Fromme became eligible for parole in 1985, Ponce said. According to reports, she for years waived her right to a parole hearing. The Bureau of Prisons would not say whether she changed her mind and requested a hearing, but the U.S. Parole Commission's Web site says that everyone who wishes to be considered for parole, except those committed under juvenile delinquency procedures, must complete a parole application.

    Federal inmates serving life are generally paroled after 30 years, unless the parole commission decides to block the release, according to a commission spokesman. Inmates who are paroled remain under supervision until the commission decides to terminate the sentence.

    Fromme was not granted parole until July 2008, Ponce said. She was not released then, however, because of extra time added to her sentence for a 1987 escape attempt from the West Virginia prison, which occurred after her interview that same year. She was found two days later, only a few miles from the prison. At the time, prison officials said they were looking into rumors that Fromme escaped after hearing Manson was ill, according to news reports.

    FMC-Carswell spokeswoman Maria Douglas would not comment on Fromme's behavior in prison in recent years.

    Fromme reportedly joined Manson's family after meeting him in California in 1967. She was not involved in the murders of seven people, including pregnant actress Sharon Tate, on August 9 and 10, 1969, that landed Manson and other followers in prison. However, she and other Manson followers maintained a vigil outside the courthouse during his trial.

    In the WCHS interview, Fromme said that Manson should not be incarcerated because "he didn't kill anybody. ... I would rather be in, because I know I laid a lot of my thinking in his mind."

    Virga said he told the jury that Fromme assaulted Ford, but did not attempt to assassinate him. If Fromme had killed the president, no one would have listened to her, he said. "She didn't want people to think she was a kook."

    And she wasn't, he said, recalling that Fromme was very cooperative during her trial and describing her as "a bright, intelligent young woman" from a middle-class family. "It's just hard to imagine how she got all caught up with Manson," he said.

    Fromme wanted to be heard on issues including the environment, he said. "She had certain causes that she wanted to talk about. But first and foremost in her mind was always Manson."

    Explaining herself after the attempt, according to the book "Real Life at the White House," Fromme said, "Well, you know, when people treat you like a child and pay no attention to the things you say, you have to do something."

    During her trial, Virga traveled to Washington to depose Ford, who testified on videotape about the incident.

    In the 1978 interview, Fromme called Manson "a once-in-a-lifetime soul. ... He's got more heart and spirit than anyone I've ever met." She said she still corresponded with him. "He's got everything he wants coming from me, 'cause he gave me everything."

    She said then she didn't plan to seek a parole hearing: "The parole board does not hold my life in its hands. And I don't want to be too critical, but men tend to think they do. Charlie never thought he did. He never expressed all this desire for power, this desire for acceptance."

    Ford died in 2006 at age 93. The Gerald R. Ford Presidential Foundation did not respond to CNN requests for comment on Fromme's release.

    Virga, who is still practicing in Sacramento, said he had not heard from Fromme since her sentencing in 1975. "I wish her the best, and hope everything works out for her, and hope she stays out of trouble," he said. "She needs to stay out of trouble. She's been in prison a long time ... it was, in my mind, a tragedy that she wound up a disciple of Manson
    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/05/...ase/index.htmlLynnette "Squeaky" Fromme appears in court in Los Angeles, California, in December 1969

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    That wackjob will do something else to get put back in jail. Anyone that loves Manson that much is just fucked in the head.
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    she wont last long on the outs.
    especially when people find out who she is, shell be an instant target for something.

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