Ashiqur Rahman & Jane Gomes wounded, maimied 7wk old to death

[vipjohnson]

I can't imagine killing a seven week old baby. How can you disfigure a newborn?! Obviously, these people have serious mental issues.

My son at seven weeks:

[Obsolete]

From the original article at the top:


I think you may have gotten the starvation from the fact that the "mother" pleaded guilty to failing to provide the necessities of life. They're being kinda shady on details, but the article I quoted above mentioned a press ban until his trial was complete, so I guess that explains the lack of info.

I read all of that but that quote doesn't say that the baby was beaten to death as Toxic stated. That's the article or quote I want to read.

[suebee13]

Yet another reason why everyone should go through a licensing process to have a child. I mean hell, we have to go through it to drive a car.

Poor little baby.

as much as i'd like to agree, there would be no way to keep idiots from breeding even with that. just like there are still idiots behind the wheel.

[Bohring]

My son at seven weeks

My son had the same onesie! How adorable he is!

[Bohring]

But a test? Of your emotions?

Nah, not a test of your emotions, but a psych eval. It's a little more complex than "how do you feel?" And certainly nothing that your GP or OB/GYN would be qualified to administer. Although I completely agree that I wouldn't want some random fuck that the government deems appropriate to decide if I should vacation in the rubber room until I give birth. I just think there could be something done, something more. And I wasn't talking about being granted a license. I said an assessment for possible treatment.

[walkingeagle]

Although I completely agree that I wouldn't want some random fuck that the government deems appropriate

Oh @Bohring! Let's get real here! That ignorant fuck is likely someone related to someone who knows someone. How inappropriate could that be?


(Please don't kill me for this one!)

[Bohring]

Oh @Bohring! Let's get real here! That ignorant fuck is likely someone related to someone who knows someone. How inappropriate could that be?


(Please don't kill me for this one!)

Quite the contrary, I am LMAO!

Man, I never said I had all the answers! If I did, I'd be the ignorant fuck!

[Robynne]

How about parenting classes, or some kind of class to help you understand what to do when your child might frustrate you. All done before the baby is born. And when the baby is born, someone checks on how you feel before you leave the hospital. If you aren't feeling right, they can assign someone to go to your house a couple times a week and help you deal with your emotions. A support system kind of thing.

Just a thought.

[walkingeagle]

@Bohring! The ignorant fucks never have the answers to the actual problem! They have figured out how to milk the people out of a paycheck!

[walkingeagle]

How about parenting classes, or some kind of class to help you understand what to do when your child might frustrate you. All done before the baby is born. And when the baby is born, someone checks on how you feel before you leave the hospital. If you aren't feeling right, they can assign someone to go to your house a couple times a week and help you deal with your emotions. A support system kind of thing.

Just a thought.

I can only claim outside here, but that parenting class, from what I have heard is a joke!

[Bohring]

The ignorant fucks never have the answers to the actual problem!

That was my possibly too vague point/joke. I'm battin' a thousand today!

[walkingeagle]

That was my possibly too vague point/joke. I'm battin' a thousand today!

Not even close! I figure it's best to put it out here rather than let someone else catch that the wrong way!

[Bohring]

Not even close! I figure it's best to put it out here rather than let someone else catch that the wrong way!

My editor and I used to argue via email, until one of us picked up the phone to confirm we were arguing about what we were supposedly arguing about. Nine out of ten times, we'd misunderstood each other. This is why I try to be very careful about what I say, but it never fails. Something is usually taken out of context. Or my sarcasm or lame ass sense of humor doesn't make it through. :)

[walkingeagle]

My editor and I used to argue via email, until one of us picked up the phone to confirm we were arguing about what we were supposedly arguing about. Nine out of ten times, we'd misunderstood each other. This is why I try to be very careful about what I say, but it never fails. Something is usually taken out of context. Or my sarcasm or lame ass sense of humor doesn't make it through. :)

That happens to all of us on the monitors! And I never took anything you've said here in a bad way! I'm a smartass myself!

[Robynne]

I can only claim outside here, but that parenting class, from what I have heard is a joke!

Okay, so parenting classes are stupid. I know, I have voluntarily taken two. Maybe babycare classes sounds better. A class to explain babies and how to care for them, what to do in a situation where you need a time out. A phone number to call if you need to talk to someone. Something other than just letting someone take off with kid not knowing if they know what to do.
It might help.

[Bohring]

Okay, so parenting classes are stupid. I know, I have voluntarily taken two. Maybe babycare classes sounds better. A class to explain babies and how to care for them, what to do in a situation where you need a time out. A phone number to call if you need to talk to someone. Something other than just letting someone take off with kid not knowing if they know what to do.
It might help.

I completely agree. I'm an only child, and had never been around kids. I had never changed a diaper until I changed my newborn's in the hospital. My pregnancy was long and complicated, indeed I was super sick, had to give myself shots in the stomach four times a day. I was exhausted and unable to do much of anything, especially toward the end. I was too ill to attend parenting classes. I was a complete wreck in the hospital the first couple of days. I had told my nurse that I was afraid to go home. She just patted my hand, and told me I'd be fine. Granted, I was absolutely fine. But no offering up of hotlines, support groups, nothing? Really?

[walkingeagle]

Okay, so parenting classes are stupid. I know, I have voluntarily taken two. Maybe babycare classes sounds better. A class to explain babies and how to care for them, what to do in a situation where you need a time out. A phone number to call if you need to talk to someone. Something other than just letting someone take off with kid not knowing if they know what to do.
It might help.

I think you may have a portion, at least, of what may help with hese! I love these ideas!

[Robynne]

Or maybe new parents should read some of the stories on here about parents losing their cool and killing their babies. And see what happens to the parents and what we say about them.
Maybe it will seep into their brains and they'll think twice about hurting their children and seek help instead.

[badfish76]

When I was prego I did the hospital's prenatal classes that covered a variety of topics on what to expect and such. I also read every damn thing I could get my hands on and talked to my Dr. a lot. He thought I was a boring patient, I could tell.

Another thought on this thread: getting stoned to death sounds great.

Oh! They mean, like, with ROCKS! That doesn't sound so fun, but it does sound like exactly what she needs.

[Nell]

It all comes down to patience and maturity, and you can't test for those things ahead of time. All the classes in the world won't do shit if the parent has the patience of a tired toddler.

And those Psych tests are really easy to fool. Really easy.

[HijabiGirl]

Didnt know that, excuse my ignorance...

No prob, it's a common misconception.

[radi0ph0nic]

I read all of that but that quote doesn't say that the baby was beaten to death as Toxic stated. That's the article or quote I want to read.

Sorry! I don't think she read that from an actual article (at least I haven't seen one that said this), perhaps she was just guessing as I thought you were :)

[Bohring]

And those Psych tests are really easy to fool. Really easy.

The written tests are, I absolutely agree. But the dumbasses wouldn't be smart enough to manipulate them. The one-on-one interviews are a little more involved, given the validity of the shrink. But the panel evaluations (which would be expensive) are something else entirely. The truly gifted antisocials and sociopaths would breeze right through that. It wouldn't catch everyone, hell, it might not catch many. But I believe something would catch some of them. Idealist! =D

[sorrow_discord]

I not only had to watch a video on shaken baby syndrome, but we were given a free diaper bag filled with tons of stuff which included pamphlets for services. Over all they were very good at the hospital.

[Jerri Blank]

Father on trial for daughter's death

The Crown says a father's explanations to a doctor about what caused his daughter's brain injuries before her death were "completely ridiculous."

Ashiqur Rahman has pleaded not guilty to manslaughter and aggravated assault in the July 27, 2009, death of seven-week-old Aurora Breakthrough.

Crown lawyer Mark Heerema asked Rahman why he told a doctor before her death that a change in formula and the mother's decision to take her outside in a stroller may have caused her brain damage.

Heerema challenged that rationale, saying such explanations are "completely ridiculous."

Rahman said he was simply trying to come up with possibilities that might help the doctor and it was all he could think of on the day Aurora was admitted to a Halifax hospital.

She died three days later.

Heerema said Rahman was coming up with the suggestions because he knew his rough handling of the child caused the injuries, an accusation that Rahman has repeatedly denied in his testimony.

http://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/...ughter-s-death

[Tundratot]

. . .

Mark Heerema delivered closing submissions at the Nova Scotia Supreme Court trial of Ashiqur Rahman, who has pleaded not guilty to manslaughter and aggravated assault in the death of his daughter Aurora Breakthrough.

The girl's mother, Jane Gomes, has testified that Rahman shook and slapped the baby — allegations the 26-year-old Halifax man has denied.

Heerema said medical testimony made clear that some of the baby's injuries and her death could only be caused by an adult abusing the child.

He told the judge that Aurora had 30 injured ribs, only three of which could have been injured through the administration of cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

"Aurora was in many ways shattered on the inside," he said.

The defence has argued that the rib injuries could have been caused by a parent accidentally rolling over the infant while sleeping with the child.

But Heerema said experts agreed that injuries at the back of the rib cage could only have been caused by a person holding and squeezing the baby forcefully.

Heerema said Aurora had no signs of illness when she was born, but when she arrived at a Halifax hospital on July 23, 2009 less than two months later, intensive care doctors immediately suspected abuse.

Tests found broken bones and joints that were severely twisted, and doctors believed she also had severe brain trauma, Heerema said.

Pathologists later found two instances where Aurora's brain was traumatized by some form of shaking or impact, he added.

. . .

At one point, Judge Felix Cacchione asked Heerema why pathologists didn't find other signs of violent shaking, such as hyper-extension of Aurora's neck.

Heerema said the evidence shows some form of trauma, but it's impossible to exactly define how it came about.

Still, he said the trauma Aurora suffered was excessive.

"All of this exceeds normal handling," Heerema said. "All of this you would not expect to find with normal baby care."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-s...n-closing.html

[Jerri Blank]

Dad who caused baby's death sentenced to 6½ years

A Halifax man has been sentenced to 6½ years in prison for the 2009 killing of his seven-week-old daughter.

Nova Scotia Supreme Court Justice Felix Cacchione gave Ashiqur Rahman double credit for the time he already served in jail, reducing the sentence to four years and three months.

“A message that violence against children will not be tolerated must be sent to all of those who abuse or think of abusing children,” Cacchione said in handing down the sentence Tuesday.

“What occurred in this case is tragic. It’s tragic for all those concerned. A seven-week-old child lost her life. A mother lost her daughter and years of education. Mr. Rahman will lose his liberty.”

The Crown had asked for a sentence of 10 to 15 years in prison for Rahman, who shook, slapped and tossed Aurora Breakthrough several times throughout her short life before she was rushed to hospital on July 23, 2009. The defence asked for between five and six years.

Rahman was found guilty of manslaughter and aggravated assault in June.

He didn’t react to the sentence, but he sat with a furrowed brow through much of Tuesday’s sentencing hearing.

“This baby was shattered and undoubtedly suffered,” Crown attorney Denise Smith said in her closing argument.

According to medical evidence heard at the trial, the girl had 27 rib fractures in various stages of healing and had suffered broken bones in three of her four limbs. Her brain showed signs of new and old injuries, and the back of her brain had dead tissue that had liquefied. Her brain injuries were described at “devastating.”

Smith said the fact the injuries occurred as a result of several incidents was “the single most important aspect” to be considered during sentencing.

Smith said the Bangladesh-born Rahman’s motivation was also critical to the sentencing process.

Aurora’s mother Jane Gomes, also from Bangladesh, testified that Rahman was continually frustrated with the baby’s crying and was more interested in myriad Internet moneymaking ideas than in his daughter. His frustration with the child’s tears led to the assaults, she said.

Gomes received a conditional sentence in 2010 for failing to provide the necessities of life for Aurora. Gomes pleaded guilty to the charge, which had been downgraded from manslaughter.

Donald Murray, Rahman’s lawyer, said the case is different than some instances of abuse of children.

“The people who make a single punch in the stomach or bounce a child’s head off the floor differ from those who mishandle an infant,” he said.

He said there was no sign of injuries noticed by Rahman or even the nearby medical clinic during Aurora’s regular checkups.

“Mr. Rahman’s behaviour resulted in no obvious harm and no obvious distress,” Murray said. He had argued that a pre-existing medical condition led to Aurora’s death.

Aurora’s parents called 911 from their Gottingen Street rooming house in Halifax on July 23, 2009, because she was having trouble breathing. She died in hospital four days later, after being declared brain dead.

In a victim impact statement read by Smith, Gomes said she never thought she would lose her daughter.

“Part of me believes she is not dead and that I will see her again,” she wrote. “I have dreams of her often — sometimes happy, other times frightening.”

Gomes, who was not in the courtroom Tuesday, wrote that Aurora was loved and always will be.

“She is missed in every moment of my life.”

Asked if he had anything to say before sentencing, Rahman spoke briefly.

“I have been, and always will be, sorry for failing to save my daughter, but I tried my best to save her as soon as I learned about her unwellness for the first time,” he said.

“I can only take responsibility for my action, so I’m maintaining my innocence.”

Murray declined to comment after court. Smith said that while the sentence was lower than what she had asked for, “there is a very wide range of sentence for the offence of manslaughter, even manslaughters that involve the death of a young child. Certainly, the sentence that the judge imposed was within the range (of case law).”

Because of that, she said, she didn’t expect there would be an appeal.

Once Rahman’s sentence is finished, his status will be reviewed by the Canada Border Services Agency.

http://thechronicleherald.ca/metro/1...ced-to-6-years

[Eccentric Lady]

“I can only take responsibility for my action, so I’m maintaining my innocence.”

Am I the only one that noticed the paradox in this?

By maintaining innocence he's doing the opposite actually!

[Obsolete]

“I can only take responsibility for my action, so I’m maintaining my innocence.”

Am I the only one that noticed the paradox in this?

By maintaining innocence he's doing the opposite actually!

He's claiming his actions didn't kill her. He's saying he can only take responsibility for HIS actions, not the actions of whoever or whatever killed her.

[Northernspark]

Every time I see someone post that we should go through a licensing program to become parents i do a face palm.

1. How many of you think you would have passed this "license to have kids test?" Be realistic.

2. What would this test entail? Have to be a certain age? Certain income? IQ? Again, how many of us would have passed it.

3. Why in the fuck would you want the government that far in your business? Cause this "test" you want everyone else to take before they get a "pass" to have baby, you would have to take too. No fucking thank you.

Sorry, pet fucking peeve that saying. Carry on.

Im a big fan of the return of the dog license. And I would never swap my kids. But I do think their Father should never reproduce again. I get the likeness of being allowed to look after a living thing, animal or child. @Nell No I would not have passed, I was still a kid the first time, and struggling with a toddler second time around, even I wouldn't have passed me, lol. We'd be going back to the Nazi ideal if we start to choose who can reproduce. We just need more workers to help families who either aren't coping, or don't know the western expectations of bringing up kids. Worked with a few, especially Jamaican who have some pretty harsh ideas about rearing their Kids, much harsher parenting than I've seen from indian or asian families, Rant over, we really need more workers in the States, as well as the UK.