i keep getting caught up in these debates, and losing. but i don't learn my goddamn lesson for some reason.Originally Posted by Tazzzz
there's a difference between citizens doing their duty, protecting their kids, restraining the suspect, and helping cops to apprehend the guy... and beating his brains in with a 2 by 4.
no?
i would bet these fine gentlemen are more than passing familiar with beating the bejezus out of people in situations far less righteous.
I was teased at 9 years for going to school with an adult.
I hope the POS burns.
This is the way it was reported, There is NO doughts in my mind they got the right guy, These people all have kids and were scarred for them, A crazy guy was brutally raping women and kids in the neighborhood. So lets move on to the debate of did they do the right thing by kicking the crap out of him or not. If I knew the guy had a big past of doing the same thing and kept getting off , I would be inclined for some street justice.
Folks in West Kensington say the fight began when one of the residents recognized a man they thought was Carrasquillo:
(Woman:) "The detectives came around [earlier in the day] and they showed a picture of him."
(Man:) "He walked by and somebody was like, 'Yo! This guy looks like the guy who raped the little girl!' "
(Woman:) "We already had knew him from the neighborhood."
(Man:) "So they confronted him, like, 'Don't go nowhere!' "
That's when residents say they decided to take matters into their own hands:
"One of the other guys hit him in the head with a stick a couple times. I punched him in his face. My friend hit him, and then he got arrested by the cops."
So do residents think they did anything wrong?
"All the people were just so excited, they were just screaming and jumping. 'We got him, we got him!' It's a good feeling! We got this guy out of the streets. So we all look out for each other here. People think we're bad. We're not."
Some people are like Slinkies. They aren’t really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to my face when I push them down a flight of stairs.
We also don't know who the people the beat him up are. They could've been the little girls family or the other woman's family that he is accused of raping. And to be honest if the guy that was accused of raping anyone of my family members was walking down the street. i would take a fuckin 2x4 to him. Its called street justice.. I'm not saying what they did was right. Im just saying that we don't know all the circumstances and i can see where it would be justified.
I didn't know I had a post limit on my debates. I think what went on is WRONG. I also said it was only my opinion. And like assholes we all have one. I wasn't trying to ruffle feathers, but i can say this was not cool, just like you can say you think it was OK.So lets move on to the debate of did they do the right thing by kicking the crap out of him or not.
I got a sick feeling in my stomach reading this. They were screaming and jumping for joy cause a man got beat? Were there kids around to witness this shit? Jesus.(Woman:) "The detectives came around [earlier in the day] and they showed a picture of him."
(Man:) "He walked by and somebody was like, 'Yo! This guy looks like the guy who raped the little girl!' "
(Woman:) "We already had knew him from the neighborhood."
(Man:) "So they confronted him, like, 'Don't go nowhere!' " Did he move? Was the beating necessary to keep him there for the cops?
That's when residents say they decided to take matters into their own hands:
"One of the other guys hit him in the head with a stick a couple times. I punched him in his face. My friend hit him, and then he got arrested by the cops."
So do residents think they did anything wrong?
"All the people were just so excited, they were just screaming and jumping. 'We got him, we got him!' It's a good feeling! We got this guy out of the streets. So we all look out for each other here. People think we're bad. We're not."
Last edited by Nell; June 3rd, 2009 at 03:08 PM.
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An ass whuppin' deluxe. Meow baby!
see now i'm confused again... Blond and shit. Be patient with me... You're not saying "street justice" was the right thing, but you can see how it would be justified? Whats the diff?
Because the family or friends of the victim feel understandably murderously enraged, thats justified to engage in this?
Street or vigilante justice is needed when there is no other kind... There is a rudimentary criminal justice system in place down there in Philly, isn't there?
Nell you can post all you want , doesnt bother me, and i am in no way telling you what you can or can not post. I dont see any point in arguinging about if he was or wasnt the right guy, in my eyes he was. If you think different , be my guest and stick up for the rapest. He got what was coming to him. I read a bunch of articles about it and know this piece of shit , raped the hell out of the little girl multible times. She will be scarred for life from this.
You do not live in the same kind of comunity like we are takling about, These people sit on there stoops all day and walk around the streets, They pretty much know each other. Its a close knit comunity of people.
Last edited by Tazzzz; June 3rd, 2009 at 03:37 PM.
Some people are like Slinkies. They aren’t really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to my face when I push them down a flight of stairs.
see now i'm confused again... Blond and shit. Be patient with me... You're not saying "street justice" was the right thing, but you can see how it would be justified? Whats the diff?
Because the family or friends of the victim feel understandably murderously enraged, thats justified to engage in this?
Street or vigilante justice is needed when there is no other kind... There is a rudimentary criminal justice system in place down there in Philly, isn't there?
I am not sticking up for a rapist and I am kinda shocked you would even post that Tazzz. My point wasn't that he didn't deserve a beat down, as he did, but that to do it all crazy vigilante style was fucked up. What he deserves is not up to random men on the street. It is up to the courts. Do they still even know it was him for sure?
And you have no personal knowledge of where I have lived or what hood or community i grew up in. Believe me when i say it wasn't some rich suburb. So while I understand the frustration and need to "take care of business" I personally think it was wrong what they did.
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You know, i get the beating him to get him from running part, but this part is what irks me the most:
I see him running in the video. Hell, I'd run too if I had 4 people coming at me with bats and what looks to be like wooden fence posts. I get trying to stop him, maybe even tripping him up and holding him down, and possibly getting a few hits in, but to the point where he is in critical condition, nope. Him dying could possibly be the worst thing ever, cause then how would the girl get *possible* closure of her seeing him go through the justice system.Police say about a dozen people pummeled 26-year-old Jose Carrasquillo (kayr-uhs-KEE'-oh) for several minutes with their fists, feet and wooden sticks.
On top of that, what if them beating him ends up being the worst thing they ever did and he ends up getting a plea deal because of it? Then that would be a serious miscarriage of justice.
http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/19637970/detail.html
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Poor baby, she must have been pretty messed up to require so many surgeries. I hope she heals soon, but I know the emotional scars are going to be the ones that will heal last, if it even does. My prayers are with her and her family.
I didnt mean it that way, Its sounds like you are sticking up for him and in my mind he is the rapest. They found his finger prints at the scene of the crime, people saw him there as well. Its all points to him as having done it.
Some people are like Slinkies. They aren’t really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to my face when I push them down a flight of stairs.
I meant were they sure that the man beat was the right man. The real rapist of the little girl. Cause I have not seen confirmation at all. Just the neighbors saying it "looked just like him."
Love withers under constraint; its very essence is liberty. It is compatible neither with obedience, jealousy nor fear. It is there most pure, perfect, and unlimited when its votaries live in confidence, equality and unreserve. - Percy Byshe Shelley
We love where the lightening strikes, and that's not always where we thought it would.-Carolinablue
I believe that what we do for others is all we leave behind when we die.-Carolinablue
Nell is merely pointing out the fact that, in these situations, there is a possibility that vigilantes get the wrong guy (it happens all the time). Nell is sticking up for order and justice - not the rapist.
Of course, it's not just Nell's personal opinion, it's legal fact. This brand of vigilantism is illegal and, although the prosecutor can exercise some discretion in filing charges, he could also charge every ghetto mother fucker there with assault or accessory to.
To encourage "street justice" is to encourage just one of many issues plaguing the hood. Violence is only justified in direct defense of oneself or loved ones. Violence as the result of vengence sets a bad example at the very least and, in worse cases, can set off a bloody chain of events that negatively impacts many lives.
Sure, we're all human and it's not inappropriate to secretly cheer these people. But to publically congratulate them is just irresponsible.
"Now that ceaseless exposure has calloused us to the lewd and the vulgar, it is instructive to see what still seems wicked to us. What still slaps the clammy flab of our submissive consciousness hard enough to get our attention?"
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If you think THIS situation is OK, then why not others? People beat, shoot, stab and whatever someone every day because they think the other person did something wrong.
Why not just get rid of judges and juries?
I don't feel bad for the rapist, but I think those involved in intentional vicious beat downs should get charged too. "He's started it" is the excuse of a 4 year old.
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nobody's "sticking up for" the rapist that i can see, and the question of whether this is the right guy is sort of secondary as well. of course we can all imagine how angry and violent we'd FEEL if this were our child, our neighbor, but assuming he IS the right guy, a violent beatdown is NOT the way he should've been handled. it's understandable, but that doesn't mean it's right, or justifiable.
how does the "kind of community" make any difference in whether exacting bloody vengeance is legally or morally correct? should there be a lower standard for human civilization in the 'hood, because its denizens have nothing else to do than to walk around and sit on stoops?
Normally I would agree, but we are talking about a Horrific, horrifying rape of a 11-year-old girl. I wont be losing any sleep over the fact he got a big ass whoopin from a community of people who were living in fear for the safety of there own children.
Also its interesting that The Fraternal Order of Police offered a $10,000 reward for his capture, That they paid off with in the hour of his arrest. I don't see any were that its implied the people were trying to get him to get the money. It was all about the crime he had committed. Some were getting street justice and others just wanted to make sure he didnt get away.
Police were determined to nab Jose Carrasquillo, the suspect wanted in connection with the vicious rape of an 11-year-old girl on her way to school Monday. Neighbors got to him first and beat him up so bad he needed a machine to help him breath and was in critical condition Wednesday morning.
Several men, including two teens, spotted Carrasquillo and confronted him, according to Philly.com.
"Hey, yo! You raped this girl," one of the teens yelled at the suspect, 16-year old Kris Torres told the Inquirer. "No. I have a daughter myself," Carrasquillo said, according to Torres.
Torres said the teens, including himself, started hitting Carrasquillo because they were convinced he was the guy. "We just pounded on him because we wanted him arrested," said Torres.
Carrasquillo kept saying he didn't do it. He tried to get away but couldn't and then more and more people crowded around the teens, egging them on.
"I was saying, 'He wants to rape babies? Kill him!'" said Linda Steeves who watched the mob scene from her front porch. "Everybody was applauding."
Police pulled up to what they thought was a street fight and took him into custody and then to the hospital.
Carrasquillo, 26, was named as a suspect in the case Wednesday morning. Physical evidence linked him to the crime scene
A sketch of the suspect and a photo of the sunglasses found at the scene were released Monday evening. The Fraternal Order of Police offered a $10,000 reward in the case and said they'd hand the money over within an hour of Carrasquillo's arrest.
4 video's here of different things, including color version of the whoopin.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/...irl-Raped.html
Some people are like Slinkies. They aren’t really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to my face when I push them down a flight of stairs.
If it were a neighborhood like mine, the same thing would've happened. IF it were a neighborhood like mine, they would've been sure it was him to do something like that.
I'm following a story now where a guy gave his three year old niece the clap. The mom somehow got the confirmation or an idea before the arrest (there were several men living there and all got tested) and went over to the house with her sister and went after him. He never got touched by her and she's facing a mandatory minimum of 25 years and for what he did only 10 (in this county though, plan on him only getting 3 max). If I was in my old neighborhood that day and I saw her and she told me what she was up to, I'd of been there right there with her. I can't explain why.
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NO JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE - copyright that!
I didn't know Connecticut had ghettos.
"Now that ceaseless exposure has calloused us to the lewd and the vulgar, it is instructive to see what still seems wicked to us. What still slaps the clammy flab of our submissive consciousness hard enough to get our attention?"
okay since my comment soparked the debate I should point out that I may be guilty os skimming..when I said he's apparently raped before I was thinking he was charged with the rape of the woman mentioned...my point being..if they're gonna release scumbags like this then they SHOULD get regular beatings to remind them to keep it in their pants...
now as far as correctly identifying the suspect and beating him...my understanding was that the police identified him by name...and the neighborhood people recognized him as the person being sought..
were I in the same position and saw someone accused of BRUTALLY raping an 11 year old girl..would I be able to just restrain him until police arrived? I would like to say that I was more level headed but I'm preeeeeetty sure that I would get a few licks in to get my frustration out..
now if it was MY kid and I caught the guy before the cops did...I have no doubt in my mind I would beat the ever living shit outta him anf welcome any help from neighborhood parents fighting as a preventative measure....
if this makes me a bad person,, or an anarchist...or a vigilante...so be it...
oh it sure does, trust me.I didn't know Connecticut had ghettos.
i know what you're saying! i agree with the feeling; i have two little girls, if anyone touched a hair on one of their heads, i couldn't be held responsible for what i might do!
all i'm saying is that just cuz we have a stronge urge for revenge it doesn't make it right to exact it.
AND having to drop of a baby at daycare??? Where the hell was her Mother then?? Stupid woman and I say woman because a Mother would have taken her to school and dropped off the baby at daycare!!!
It is proven that if the kid screams "Fire", that gets much more attention than just to scream like hell. Kids scream all day and most adults ignore it.
Just because they happened to get the right guy does not make it right. It may "feel good" but so did the act of rape to the rapist.
The first time a mob thinks some one is guilty when, in fact, they are not, will you sing the same tune?? What if you just happen to look like some "bad guy"?
It is a far different thing to protect someone during an attack. In this case, no one was in direct danger. Once they caught and restrained him, they could have sat on him until the cops came.
Using vigilante logic, since I feel your stance is wrong, I should be free to take a pot shot at you as you drive by.
Where do you draw the line? You don't. That's what courts are for.
Sure as hell I happy I don't live in that Jerry Springer inspired world. Trash people.
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But Dakota, we do...have you ever went to a local high school lately?
I read too many articles to remember which one it was but watching one of the videos, they said the family (I'm not sure his or the victim's) told him to turn himself in before he gets hurt.
I think this dude was known in that area.
Dear Mommy...I see you smile down there below...are those tears of joy you show? I'm glad you're happy, although you lied...I'd love to be right by your side...but by your choice, I view from above...tell my Grandparents I send my love...it's Beautiful here, is all I can say...your life will go on... without me in your way. Love Caylee XOXO......
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Must have been the rapest's family cause the one I saw about the mother of the 11 year old, said she wanted this tard dead, for what he did.
Last edited by Tazzzz; June 3rd, 2009 at 06:25 PM.
Some people are like Slinkies. They aren’t really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to my face when I push them down a flight of stairs.
I hate to do it but I disagree. If more of these mother fuckers where scared of MOBS of people getting ahold of them and beating them half to fucking death then maybe more of them would be inclined to resist thier sick fucking urges. I say FUCK THEM ALL UP.
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