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    'Hopeless' dads kill their families out of love, experts say



    ln April, a Maryland man wrote six suicide notes expressing his love and sorrow for his family, and then shot his wife and three children, before killing himself with a shotgun.
    Curt Wheat and his wife, Marie, married in 1971. After 32 years, Wheat shot his wife and then himself.

    Curt Wheat and his wife, Marie, married in 1971. After 32 years, Wheat shot his wife and then himself.

    This month, a man killed his wife and two sons in their home near Tampa, Florida. Troy Bellar chased after his teenage son with a high-powered rifle, but the 13-year-old escaped. Bellar later shot himself.

    In some of this year's most disturbing cases of family violence, fathers have turned against their own flesh and blood -- asphyxiating and beating teenagers, firing shots into sleeping children tucked in bed, slaying grandparents and shooting infants in diapers.

    The killings are cruel inversions of nature where a father murders his entire family in an act called familicide. After the carnage, the question lingers: Why did they do it?

    For decades, psychiatrists have been studying such cases to determine what mental issues trigger this behavior. A person who kills his family could have control issues that lead him to decide the fate of the children, spouse and pets, researchers said. See a timeline of 2009 familicides »

    While mentally healthy people cannot make sense of killing someone they love, for people with mental illness, "it has to do with their distorted thinking and depression," said Donna Cohen, a professor and head of the Violence and Injury Prevention Program at the University of South Florida.

    The person with a mental illness views his wife and children as possessions, believing, "I have to keep this. This is mine," Cohen said. "Nobody else is able to take care of them except me. If I can't control this in my life, I'll preserve it in death so that my world doesn't change. It's the psychiatric issues."

    Murder-suicide plots could brew in a person's mind for months, even years.
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    Out of 1,500 to 2,000 murder-suicides a year, the Violence and Injury Prevention Program at University of South Florida estimates

    * 70 percent have two victims

    * 10 percent are familicides

    * 7 to 8 percent involve children and babies

    * 7 to 8 percent involve nonfamily members

    * 2 percent are mass events

    "For a period of time, the idea to commit mass murder takes hold of them and they can't shake it," said Louis Schlesinger, forensic psychology professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York City.

    If there is news about other familicides, the intense news coverage may cause others to lose their inhibition and commit the same type of crime.

    "They think they're saving their family and that they will be remembered with sympathy," Schlesinger said.

    Those thoughts become action when a precipitating event, or trigger, occurs, such as divorce, suspected infidelity or loss of job.

    While research shows that suicide rates rise when the economy is in trouble, it may not be true for murder-suicides. See graph on the economy and suicides. »

    Statistics from the Violence and Injury Prevention Program at the University of South Florida based on news reports, found that murder-suicides seesawed during the last nine years.

    According to research at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio, about 60 percent of the perpetrators of familicides were unemployed. While the shaky economy could increase stress levels, experts warned against attributing the spate of violence to the economy.

    "That's careless to say a bad economy causes people to kill whole families," said Schlesinger. "You could kill during good times. It's very complicated and not simple as a bad economy."


    In research during nearly three decades, Dr. Philip Resnick, director of the division of forensic psychiatry at Case Western, has outlined two motives for familicides: revenge or despondency. In latter cases, a "nonhostile, hopeless father" kills his family to save them from perceived doom, because he feels unable to provide for them.

    "They become very depressed as the breadwinner," Resnick said. "With their distorted, depressive perceptions, they feel that rather than allow their children to go hungry, they may feel they're doing a favor to take their family with them as they end their own life. ... They're not depriving them of life, they're ending what they see as an intolerable life."

    In recent cases, some men were facing financial turmoil. In April, a New York attorney who was involved in questionable financial dealings asphyxiated and beat his wife and 11- and 19-year-old daughters in a Maryland hotel. Investigators later found that $20 million from his clients was missing.

    A man who decides to commit suicide might want to avoid his family facing the stigma, said Richard James Gelles, dean of the School of Social Policy and Practice at the University of Pennsylvania.

    "They couldn't leave people behind to be ashamed and humiliated," said Gelles.

    On the night of his birthday in 2003, Curt Wheat shot his wife, Marie, as she slept in their bedroom. Neither of the couple's two children was at the Sahuarita, Arizona, house during the shooting.

    His then 29-year-old daughter, Cari Wheat was living in San Francisco, California. Wheat believes her father pulled the trigger out of a sense of love for her mother.

    "My dad made a decision," Wheat said. "I'm sure he believed that my mom would not have lived with that decision -- that it would've been so destroying for her. So unfortunately, he made that decision for both of them."

    He was being treated for depression and trying different medications, she said. Her father was a introvert, a geologist who examined mines and quarries. He often took his family camping and they split their time globetrotting between Arizona and Australia. Her mother was gregarious elementary school librarian.

    "My dad was kind of a loner, quiet," Wheat said. "My mom was full on cheerleader, perky and in-your-face. They were different and complementary."

    Curt Wheat did not leave a note or any explanation for the shooting.


    "I'm definitely angry...," she said. "You'd be angry with anyone else who took your parents away. It's confusing because it is somebody you love."

    In 2003, her younger brother, Joshua Wheat, was living with the parents, but had been at work during the shooting. After the murder-suicide, the question of whether Curt Wheat would've shot his son had he been home that night has crept into their minds.

    "It's something my brother really struggles with and wonders about," Cari Wheat said. "From research that I've done, once you're at the state and you have made this decision to take your own life, your thinking is so primitive. It's very black and white. There are no more gray areas."

    Every 16 minutes in the United States, a person commits suicide, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    "I don't think we realize that because it's hush-hush," Wheat said. "It isn't a character flaw in those uncles or brothers or parents. It's a mental illness. That's what makes it tricky. We're all squeamish about mental illness. I don't think we've gotten to a place yet where in the U.S., where we see this as a chemical problem, like a disease, like we'd treat breast cancer. ... Suicide is the end result, it's the way people die from that [mental health] disease."
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    This certainly helps to add more dimension and understanding to the rash of murder/suicides we have been seeing this year, but it will never be a satisfactory explaination for me. I could understand killing myself, but never someone else. It is just not in my nature, and something I will never understand.
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    Wasn't this an issue in the 80's with the farmers loosing their farms? I remember something about this back then and the explaination was that these men felt that they could no longer take care of their families, so they would kill everyone including themselves so the family would be together and never be homeless. I could not do this, but I can understand how these men are feeling, loosing a job, facing foreclosure. I'd be afraid as well.

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    The person with a mental illness views his wife and children as possessions, believing, "I have to keep this. This is mine," Cohen said. "Nobody else is able to take care of them except me. If I can't control this in my life, I'll preserve it in death so that my world doesn't change. It's the psychiatric issues."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just my luck sucks View Post
    The doctor interviewed my Ex. Every day I thank my luck stars that the kids and I were able to
    oh yes, hell yes, thank goodness.

    i think the headline's misleading. having spent much of my working career trying to prevent them, in my opinion, all suicides are due to distorted thinking (i make a POSSIBLE exception for people with truly terminal illnesses who are in agony - i'm still not sure what i think about that). the loss of hope and survival instinct is due to a very skewed way of looking at reality. familicide by a "hopeless, despondent" father, while also due to distorted thinking if not psychotic thinking, isn't due to anything i'd ever call "love."

    "You won't have me around to care for you anymore, and no one can do a better job, so i better kill you," or "if I can't be alive you shouldn't be," or "If I can't take care of you, no one else will get the chance," or "i am leaving this mortal coil, you're mine, you're coming with me," are all very egotistical, self-referential, narcissistic reasons to murder your family.
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    "They become very depressed as the breadwinner," Resnick said. "With their distorted, depressive perceptions, they feel that rather than allow their children to go hungry, they may feel they're doing a favor to take their family with them as they end their own life. ... They're not depriving them of life, they're ending what they see as an intolerable life."
    They kill them out of selfish twisted thinking. They think they will not survive his death? Love has nothing to do with it. If they loved them, they would stick around and do the hard work instead of taking the easy way out.
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    I wonder if some of it isn't also a selfish desire to remove those who will be hurt by the suicide. I bet one of the reasons people DON'T kill themselves is the embarrassment and shame they will suffer, postmortem, by those they leave behind. Simple solution: kill anyone you fear you might hurt with your suicide, thus leaving behind no witnesses to your chickenshit plans.

    Obviously, there is a component here of "not able to provide for my pack." But, perhaps this is the impetus for the depression that leads to murder-suicide, and not really the straight-up motivation. That is, it could be the trigger that leads to a state which in turn leads to an action, rather than a straight stimuli/response trigger.

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    I think you nailed it Swiv. The whole "I'm killing you all so you don't suffer because of my chickenshit act" motivation is a cop out. These guys just can't stand the idea that their children will live beyond their departure, or consider that they might actually look back at them as a failure. It's a selfish act to kill your family along with yourself no matter how you cut it, and thus it stands to reason that the motivation behind it is steeped in selfish desires.

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