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    30 years later..Wheres Etan Patz?

    There was an article in todays Daily News . 30 years ago this month Etan left his home to get the bus. It was his first solo trip to school. He hasn't been seen since. Now these days we would NEVER allow a 6 year old go to the bus, let alone the park by himself. How the times have changed. Heres a few articles to get you familiar for those who don't know about the case.(we do have some young'uns here on D'D :)
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    The morning of May 25, 1979, was hectic at the New York City home of Stanley and Julie Patz. They lived in a converted loft in Manhattan's Soho district, pioneers in a section of the city that would later become the place-to-be for New York trendsetters. Soho had been Manhattan's manufacturing zone, characterized by block after block of 19th century, iron-fronted factories standing shoulder to shoulder. On overcast days it was easy to imagine the gloomy sweatshop conditions of old New York, but in the 1970s, a fair number of these buildings were dark and empty, and the streets were desolate and forbidding at night. Still, people were making their homes in the neighborhood, breathing new life into it. Artists were first drawn to the area, attracted to the large, open spaces and cheap rents. Stanley Patz, a photographer, and his wife Julie lived in a loft on Prince Street with their three children: Shira, then age 8; Etan, 6; and Ari, 2.
    and the Daily News article from today:
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    I have a book here called AFTER ETAN that is waiting to be read and reviewed by anyone interested in this case...

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    You betcha, Swivel.
    My volunteer work is missing persons and unidentified remains.
    The Patz case has had me stumped for quite some time. He should be my age if he's still alive.

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    I'd love to read it Swivel..not too sure how I'd do as far a a reviewer, but I'd be willing to give it a try! I've been following the story from day one, the poor kid is probably in a vacant lot under a couch or a crackhouse that hasn't been demolished. NYC was a different place 30 years ago, and stuff like this was a daily occurence. It was the 70's...Son of Sam still on everyones mind, the black out..to much bad shit happened to NY in the 70's..worst of all the disappearance of Etan Patz. His disappearance still bothers me to this day. I hope before I leave this beautiful earth, his disappearance is solved...hey, I can dream can't I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by swivel View Post
    I have a book here called AFTER ETAN that is waiting to be read and reviewed by anyone interested in this case...
    I signed up with you to do reviews. Got the address, you can send it over.
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    Whaaa. I responded firsterest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amazon View Post
    Whaaa. I responded firsterest.
    That you did. PM me your info. And everyone else take note: once I start getting reviews, the most prolific reader/reviewer will be the one getting the books. Not the person who asks first or the person who spends the most time making the review "perfect."

    What we need are a handful of people that can review 3 or so books a month in exchange for getting free books that usually aren't even out yet. There is a long list of people trying out, but nobody has made my "Send books to this person first" list.

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    This case has always haunted me.

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    Investigator Says He Knows the Truth

    "In our minds there were only two possibilities," said Stan Patz, the boy's father. "Either Etan was taken by a stranger and killed or he was taken by a very sad woman desperate for a child of her own, and we hoped that such a woman would at least take care of him and keep him safe."

    Patz lived with this hope until 1982, when he learned of Jose Antonio Ramos' arrest and the surprising connection between him and a former babysitter of Etan's.

    Ramos was a drifter who in 1979 lived in Alphabet City, a neighborhood not far from Soho. In 1982 he was arrested after boys in a neighborhood in the Bronx complained that he had stolen their book bags while trying to coax them into a drainpipe under a bridge, where he lived, said the Patzes and federal prosecutor Stuart Gabrois, who spent years investigating the case.

    When police found Ramos in his drainpipe home, they found he had many photographs of small blond boys. They noticed that they looked a lot like Etan Patz, according to numerous published reports about the case.
    Bronx police questioned Ramos, and he denied having anything to do with Etan's disappearance. But he did tell police that his girlfriend used to baby-sit for the boy, Gabrois said.

    Prosecutors in the Bronx and Manhattan pursued this lead, but concluded they did not have enough evidence to connect Ramos to Etan's disappearance, Gabrois and a spokesperson for the Manhattan District Attorney's Office said.

    Ramos was released when the parents of the Bronx boys chose not to press charges against him, according to published reports. He left town and disappeared for six years -- until federal Gabrois reviewed Etan's case. Gabrois said he focused on Ramos as the prime suspect.

    Gabrois said he learned in 1988 that Ramos had been arrested and convicted of child molestation and was serving time in a Pennsylvania prison.
    Gabrois said he brought Ramos to New York for questioning and surprised him with the question: "How many times did you have sex with Etan Patz?"
    Ramos told Gabrois that he'd taken a little boy to an apartment he had on the lower East Side on the same day that Etan went missing. "He was 90 percent sure it was the same he'd seen in the news that was missing," Gabrois said.

    According to Gabrois, Ramos claimed he released the boy and brought him to a subway station so the boy could go visit his aunt in Washington Heights.
    "Etan did not have an aunt in Washington Heights," Gabrois said. When questioned further, Ramos refused to say anything more and asked for a lawyer, according to Gabrois.

    Ramos is serving a 10- to 20-year prison sentence in Pennsylvania. He is scheduled to be released in November 2012, Gabrois said.
    Gabrois said he had Ramos transferred to a federal prison, and planted informants as his cell mates. He wouldn't go into detail about what Ramos might have told them, but said he's convinced he's eyeing the right suspect.
    Gabrois turned over his evidence to the Manhattan District Attorney's Office, but prosecutors have not brought charges. They say that without a body, they don't have enough evidence.
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    May 25th will be the 30th anniversary of Etans disappearance. He was the first "milk carton kid". I remember seeing the photos of all the missing children on the kitchen table, when you opened the fridge, when I went to the store. But that was the purpose. For these missing kids to be seen, and not forgotten throughout your day. I was 17 at the time, these milk cartons also scared the crap out of me just knowing that one of my younger siblings could be missing in a heartbeat, and THEIR photo could be staring back at me from the fridge was very frightening.With the Amber Alerts and the internet of course pictures of missing children are no longer needed on milk cartons. The NCMEC now has a screensaver you can download called the "Missing KidSaver" ..check it out. http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9755734-7.html
    I've tried to find some statistics on just how many kids were found with the milk carton campaign, to no avail. Any help on this would be awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by swivel View Post
    And everyone else take note: once I start getting reviews, the most prolific reader/reviewer will be the one getting the books. Not the person who asks first or the person who spends the most time making the review "perfect."

    What we need are a handful of people that can review 3 or so books a month in exchange for getting free books that usually aren't even out yet. There is a long list of people trying out, but nobody has made my "Send books to this person first" list.
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    National Missing Children's Day

    It's the 30th anniversary of Etans disappearance and the 25th for National Missing Childrens Day. It's also Memorial Day. Thanks to all who work tirelessly in finding the lost, and those who fight for us to live free.

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    Between 1979 and 1981 a series of high-profile missing-children cases became national headlines. Three such cases contributed to the shock of the nation’s consciousness bringing attention to the seriousness of child victimization and forever changing the response by law-enforcement agencies to reports of missing children.

    On May 25, 1979, Etan Patz disappeared from a New York City street on his way to school. Even before cases of missing children routinely garnered national media attention, Etan’s case quickly received a lot of coverage. His father, a professional photographer, disseminated black-and-white photographs of Etan in an effort to find him. The massive search and media attention that followed focused the nation’s attention on the problem of child abduction and lack of plans to address it

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    Imprisoned molester confesses?

    The arrangement was special, according to Galligan. "The unique situation in this case, which I don't think I ever had again in my career was, we had two informants at the same time who didn't know there was another informant." Each convict's story could be corroborated by the other, making both stories more credible.

    The first informant, called "John Morgan" in Cohen's book, told Galligan and GraBois that Ramos told him that he knew what happened to Etan. Ramos had even drawn a map of Etan's school bus route, pointing out that he knew Etan's stop was the third one, Morgan told the investigators. Galligan called this an "ah ha" moment in the case, "because there was no way that John could have known that information. I mean there are moments in this case that are beyond chilling ... Your mind has to take a moment to digest."

    Then the second informant, "Jeremy Fischer," took his turn as Ramos' cellmate. A convicted con artist, Fischer's skills worked to perfection. "I set the stage and he spilled it, shall we say," Fischer told ABC News in a phone conversation from his current prison in Texas. "Pure and simple, it was a con!"
    Ramos had a sex therapy workbook he needed to complete in order to be considered for parole. Fischer acted as his personal therapist, encouraging Ramos to "open up" about what he had done. Eventually, Fischer said, Ramos told him graphic details of what he had done that day. This time, according to Fischer, Ramos used Etan's name ... repeatedly. Fischer told the investigators that Ramos drew another map, identifying the exact spot where he claimed to have picked up Etan in SoHo and where he took him -- his apartment in the East Village. But he did not admit to killing the boy.

    When Morgan later returned to the cell, that last piece of the puzzle may have fallen into place. Morgan told GraBois and Galligan that Ramos woke him in the middle of the night screaming that "there is no body, they're never going to find a body." According to Morgan, Ramos had dreams he described to Morgan about people burning. Morgan said Ramos told him that he helped the superintendent in his old apartment building clean out the incinerator in the boiler and that the "firebox was big enough for, like, two people to crawl inside of."
    The whole story here:
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    I can't imagine living 30 years with my child missing. Etan's parents must be living with broken hearts.

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    I have just begun reading this book. I don't want to put it down. It's very fascinating and heartbreaking. The things people said to the parents... Wow, do the parents have self control.

    One of the many things I was not aware of is that Mrs. Patz was with Reve Walsh when she got the news about Adam.

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    Watched the video. The mother is a very smart, articulate woman who is holding back tears the entire time she is speaking. I can see she is trying to be strong but is devastated in ways most us will never understand.

    I cannot really imagine the anguish of living with this families reality. People she says, walk up to her and ask questions....complete strangers. That would be very hard. I don't know how she copes everyday, I would think the strength comes for caring and loving her other children. I hope this case is solved to give them peace, and put Etan to rest. I wonder if the mother still believes her son is alive? Is it easier to keep hoping rather than to put him to rest in your heart? I suspect I can't really answer that as I am not in that place, a place I never want to visit.

    Rest in peace little Etan Patz.
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    Jose Ramos mugshots: 1988 and unknown date
    It is a case that has gone unsolved for decades and remains one of the most notorious of its kind.

    Now, Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance has reopened the case of Etan Patz, who vanished more than 30 years ago.
    [...]

    The prime suspect in the case, Jose Ramos, is in prison for molesting two boys. He was never convicted of kidnapping or harming Etan, but law enforcement found that he had some connection to the little boy, at one time living nearby and dating a woman who used to walk Etan to school.

    Stuart Grabois, who worked on the case as an assistant U.S. attorney and is now an adviser to the Patz family, believes there is enough evidence to prove Ramos guilty. But Ramos has long professed his innocence in the Patz case.

    "I have no comment on the Patz case whatsoever," Ramos said years ago. "I don't know anything that Grabois knows. Why don't you ask Grabois about it?"

    Ramos was found responsible for Etan's death in a 2004 civil case. He was ordered to pay $2 million to the Patz family. They haven't seen a cent. Ramos is scheduled to be released from prison November 2012.
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    After having read the book After Etan, this is NO DOUBT in my mind that Ramos killed him.
    He just needs to give up where his body is.
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    Federal investigators and New York City police are preparing today to dig beneath the streets near a Manhattan apartment building where 6-year-old Etan Patz disappeared 33 years ago.

    The search for Patz has been one of the largest, longest lasting and most heart wrenching hunts for a missing child in the country's recent history.

    Investigators are also reexamining the decades old assumption that Patz was abducted by convicted pedophile Jose Ramos. Ramos, now in prison for an unrelated case, was never charged with Patz's abduction.

    At least two other potential suspects have been examined, sources told ABC News.

    Patz vanished on May 25, 1979 in the SoHo neighborhood of Manhattan while walking alone to a school bus stop.

    Patz became the first missing child whose face appeared on the side of a milk carton.


    http://gma.yahoo.com/etan-patz-inves...opstories.html

    Federal investigators and New York City police began tearing up the concrete floor of a Manhattan apartment building today searching for evidence 6-year-old Etan Patz, who disappeared 33 years ago.
    Investigators are also reexamining the decades old assumption that Patz was abducted by convicted pedophile Jose Ramos. Ramos, now in prison for an unrelated case, was never charged with Patz's abduction.

    The dig underway today at 127 Prince St., in the city's SoHo neighborhood, is related to a carpenter or handyman who had befriended the boy. The carpenter's name had surfaced in earlier investigations.

    Investigators are excavating the 15-by-30 foot room that was the handyman's workshop. It was last searched in 1979, the year the boy disappeared.

    Since then drywall has been put up over the room's brick walls. The drywall will be removed and the bricks examined and tested for blood evidence using advanced forensic techniques that were not available three decades ago, officials said.




    The floor will also be dug up in a search for human remains, clothing or other evidence. The cement floor had been laid down around the time Patz was reported missing, but was never dug up, sources told ABC News.

    The material removed will be taken to another site and preserved. Current forensics will allow authorities to look into hollows and to perform sophisticated DNA analysis on any potential evidence.

    The search for Patz has been one of the largest, longest lasting and most heart wrenching hunts for a missing child in the country's recent history.

    "It's a joint FBI- NYPD search for human remains clothing or personal effects," NYPD spokesman Paul Browne told reporters outside the building after investigators entered using a search warrant.

    "This process right here, this process that you're witnessing, will take upward of five days," Browne said.

    Patz vanished on May 25, 1979 in the SoHo neighborhood of Manhattan while walking alone to a school bus stop for the first time.

    He became the first missing child whose face appeared on the side of a milk carton.

    For the Patz family, it has been more than three decades of agonizing investigations and years of wondering what happened to their blond son with the gorgeous smile.

    In an interview with "20/20" in 2009, the boy's father Stan Patz said, "I still gag with fear that this child must have felt ... when he realized he was being betrayed by an adult."

    The case had been dormant until Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. reopened the case in 2010. Former DA Robert Morgenthau, who had declined to proceed with the case, citing insufficient evidence.

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    I sure hope they find something solid to bring closure to his family and I hope the person responsiblie is held accountable. If Ramos was involved now is the time for it to come to light as he will be back out on the streets this November according the article from 2010. I do hope Etan will be found and finally put to rest properly so his family has that closure and can trully start the process of healing.


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    Search related to 1979 Etan Patz case under way in New York City
    New York (CNN) -- More than three decades after a 6-year-old boy disappeared on his way to a bus stop in New York City, police and federal investigators relaunched their search for him Thursday, scouring the basement of a commercial building in Lower Manhattan. It is a largely unexplained development in a milestone case that helped draw the plight of missing children into the national consciousness.

    "We're looking for human remains, clothing or other personal effects of Etan Patz," New York Police Department spokesman Paul Browne said. "It's a very painstaking process."

    The Patz case for years garnered national headlines. Authorities splashed the child's image on the sides of milk cartons in the hopes of gathering more information. It's thought to be the first time that step was taken for a missing child.

    It is not clear why the search has started anew, though a source with knowledge of the investigation says what can be described as a new development prompted the effort. The source did not elaborate.

    The excavation is to include boring into the basement floors and walls of a SoHo building on Prince Street in Manhattan, near where Patz is believed to have walked on his way to a bus stop in May 1979.

    Dozens of police and federal agents gathered outside the building and are expected to continue their search for the next five days.

    "The FBI's Evidence Recovery Team is on the scene," FBI special agent Peter Donald said.
    Investigators cordon off a street in SoHo on Thursday as part of the investigation into Etan Patz's disappearance.

    Authorities have reason to think the new search could lead to the discovery of the boy's remains at that location, though they remain wary after past leads in the case failed to pan out, according to two sources familiar with the probe.

    "I hope they find something," said resident Sean Sweeney, who says he's lived in the neighborhood since 1976.

    SoHo, a lower Manhattan neighborhood now known for its boutique shops, art galleries and loft apartments, at the time was considered a grittier locale, where abandoned storefronts dotted the city streets.

    Sweeney said he remembers the initial investigation into the Patz disappearance when police first knocked on his door in search of clues.

    "That's odd, isn't it," he said, referring to the fact that 33 years later, police are again in his neighborhood searching for the boy.
    Jose Antonio Ramos, a convicted child molester acquainted with Etan's baby sitter, had then been identified as a suspect in the case, but was never charged. He remains in a Pennsylvania prison on unrelated charges.

    On the day of his disappearance, Etan's mother, Julie Patz, learned after her son failed to return home from school that he hadn't been in classes that day. She called the school, then called the homes of all his friends. When she found no one who had seen her son, she called police and filed a missing person report.

    By evening, more than 100 police officers and searchers had gathered with bloodhounds. The search continued for weeks, but no clues to Etan's whereabouts were found.

    The boy's disappearance was considered a key event inspiring the missing children's movement, which raised awareness of child abductions and led to new ways to search for missing children.

    President Ronald Reagan named May 25, the day Etan went missing, National Missing Children's Day.
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    Etan Patz case: Disappearance led to Missing Children Day




    It’s no coincidence that National Missing Children Day is observed May 25. The date marks the disappearance of Etan Patz, the young boy who vanished 33 years ago and is now the subject of anintense search by the FBI and local authorities in New York.
    FBI agents this week dug up the basement of a home in Manhattan’s SoHo district in search of his remains. Etan, with his flowing hair and soulful eyes, captured the public’s imagination, and his disappearance in 1979 changed the way the nation handles cases of missing children.
    The boy’s photograph appeared on posters, and the “image of this little boy is absolutely haunting. It became an iconic image,” said Ernie Allen, president and chief executive of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. “Etan was the first missing child poster.”

    [...]
    New York police spokesman Paul Browne shows an original Etan Patz missing-person poster while speaking to reporters near an apartment building in Soho. Police officers and FBI agents began tearing apart a basement as part of a decades-old search for 6-year-old Etan Patz, who disappeared May 25, 1979, after leaving his family's apartment for a short walk to catch a school bus.
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    Investigators rip up NYC basement in hunt for Etan Patz



    ----> VIDEO.

    . . .
    Utility workers with jackhammers and saws helped chip away an area around aging pipes, then law enforcers wearing workmen's gloves carried out the basketball-size chunks of rubble and carefully placed them in bins. The material will be sifted and then taken elsewhere for testing.The space being excavated was about a block from the bus stop where Etan was headed when he vanished. It is one of the few secluded places, easily accessible from the street, that sat along his two-block walk to the bus from his home.At the time, part of the basement was being used as a workshop by Othniel Miller, a neighborhood handyman who had been friendly with the family.Police and FBI officials haven't named a suspect in the case.
    Miller, now 75 and living in Brooklyn, hasn't spoken publicly about the investigation. His lawyer, Michael Farkas, told journalists gathered outside Miller's home his client was cooperating with investigators and had "no involvement in this tragic event."

    [...]
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    After suspension, search for Etan Patz to resume Monday

    New York (CNN) -- The search for Etan Patz, a 6-year-old New York boy who disappeared more than three decades ago, is expected to resume on Monday after being suspended for "operational reasons," an FBI spokesman said.

    A law enforcement source briefed on the investigation said no evidence of human remains has been found so far in the basement of a building in Manhattan's SoHo neighborhood where investigators are looking.

    Around 2 p.m. Sunday, investigators searching the basement abruptly folded up a tent they had erected to shield them from a nasty rainstorm.
    Moments later, two large New York Police Department vans rolled in, obstructing most of the view of the scene. Through a small break between the vehicles, photographers were able to catch a glimpse of something being loaded into the side of an unmarked blue van.
    FBI spokesman Peter Donald declined to discuss the reasons behind the search's suspension. "We'll be back in the morning," he said.

    Sunday's developments came a day after investigators discovered a possible blood stain on a concrete wall while tearing apart the basement in their search for clues in the case, a second law enforcement source told CNN.FBI agents, assisted by the NYPD, discovered the stain by spraying the chemical luminol, said the second source, who was also briefed on the investigation.

    The chemical can indicate the presence of blood, but is not always conclusive, according to that source. At this time, the stain is described only as an area of interest.

    Investigators used chainsaws to dig out the portion of the wall with the stain, which will be sent to the FBI laboratory in Quantico, Virginia for analysis to determine whether the substance is blood and, if so, whose it is, the second law enforcement source said.
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    Investigators collect hair, paper in search for Etan Patz, missing since 1979

    Updated at 11:04 p.m. ET: Dozens of items, including strands of hair, a piece of paper and other possible bits of forensic evidence have been found in a SoHo basement in the four days that investigators have been searching for clues in the 1979 disappearance of Etan Patz, NBC New York has learned.

    Law enforcement sources tell NBC New York that investigators from the FBI, NYPD and Manhattan district attorney's office have told the Patz family that no human remains have been found. The family was briefed Sunday on the investigation and what has been found at the site.


    Investigators discovered a "stain of interest" on a drywall Saturday while taking apart the basement in their search for the remains of Etan, according to law enforcement sources. But by Sunday, a law enforcement source told Reuters that "nothing conclusive had been found."

    The stain was discovered Saturday in the ongoing search
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    The search of a New York City basement for possible clues in the disappearance of 6-year-old Etan Patz more than three decades ago has ended, with no human remains found, a source briefed on the investigation told CNN Monday.

    Detective Joseph Cavitola, spokesman for the New York Police Department, also said the search was ending. An FBI evidence team, along with police, planned to do another check to be sure nothing was missed.

    A field test on what was considered a possible bloodstain found in the basement was negative, the source said. The stain, some possible strands of hair, and a piece of paper will be analyzed at an FBI laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, the source said.

    Officials were at the scene Monday, less than 100 yards from Etan's home. They removed two dumpsters that contained some concrete slabs taken from the basement, which was a carpenter's workshop at the time Etan vanished May 25, 1979.

    The trash bins and their contents were taken to a location to be safeguarded, a source familiar with the investigation said.

    Etan's family still lives in the home where he lived. He would have passed the workshop on the way to the bus stop, which he was walking to alone for the first time when he disappeared.

    Days after Etan went missing, the carpenter who worked out of the basement poured a new concrete floor, and it was never dug up until now, according to a law enforcement source.

    About a month ago, a cadaver dog reacted to the floor in a way that suggested the possibility of human remains, a law enforcement source said.

    The carpenter, Othniel Miller, 75, has not been charged with a crime.

    He had no involvement in the disappearance, his lawyer said.

    "Mr. Miller has been cooperating with this investigation for over 30 years," attorney Michael Farkas said Friday. "He has continued to cooperate on multiple occasions. And I am going to assist him in cooperating to the fullest extent possible."

    Miller's daughter, Stephanie Miller, told CNN affiliate WCBS that her father had cooperated with federal agents, saying he "doesn't have anything to do with it."

    FBI agents, assisted by the NYPD, discovered the possible bloodstain over the weekend by spraying the chemical luminol, which can indicate the presence of blood, but is not always conclusive, according to a source, who was also briefed on the investigation.

    Investigators used chainsaws to dig out the portion of the wall with the stain, which the FBI will analyze to determine whether the substance is blood and, if so, whose it is, one of the sources said. Anything with potential forensic value will be brought to Quantico, two sources said. Analysis could take several days or weeks, one of the sources said.

    The search for Etan resumed Monday morning after it was suspended Sunday for what the FBI called "operational reasons."

    Around 2 p.m. Sunday, investigators searching the basement abruptly folded up a tent they had erected to shield them from a nasty rainstorm.

    Moments later, two large New York Police Department vans rolled in, obstructing most of the view of the scene. Through a small break between the vehicles, photographers were able to catch a glimpse of something being loaded into the side of an unmarked blue van.

    FBI spokesman Peter Donald declined to discuss the reasons behind the search's suspension. "We'll be back in the morning," he said.

    Investigators recently relaunched their probe of the cold case, often described as a milestone effort that helped draw the plight of missing children into the national consciousness.

    Authorities said both new and old information led them to Miller, a part-time handyman, who met Etan the day before he disappeared and gave him a dollar.

    It was interest in Miller that prompted authorities to bring a cadaver dog about 10 days ago to a SoHo basement, where Etan apparently had encountered the carpenter, then 42, a source said.

    When agents interviewed Miller about his connection to the basement, the source said Miller blurted out, "What if the body was moved?"

    Farkas, the attorney, said he would speak to authorities about that alleged remark.

    "I don't know that he asked that," Farkas told reporters.

    Miller was picked up by the FBI Thursday and was questioned and returned to his Brooklyn apartment, a source said.

    In 2010, Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. said his office decided to take another look at the decades-old mystery. FBI leads were then culled from that case file, sources said.

    The investigation garnered national headlines as authorities splashed the child's image on the sides of milk cartons in the hopes of gathering more information.

    Etan was officially declared dead in 2001 as part of a civil lawsuit filed by his family against a drifter, Jose Antonio Ramos, a convicted child molester acquainted with his babysitter.

    A judge found Ramos responsible for the death and ordered him to pay the family $2 million. He never paid the money.

    Though Ramos has been considered a key focus of the probe for years, he has never been charged in the case. He is serving a 20-year sentence in a Pennsylvania prison for molesting a different boy and is set to be released later this year.

    A source said investigators want to expand the pool of possible suspects beyond Ramos.

    Stan and Julie Patz, Etan's parents, wouldn't comment on the developments. A notice on the apartment building said, "To the hardworking and patient media people: The answer to all your questions at this time is 'no comment.' Please stop ringing our bell and calling for interviews."

    SoHo -- a Lower Manhattan neighborhood now known for its boutique shops, art galleries and loft apartments -- at the time was a grittier locale, where abandoned storefronts dotted the city streets.

    The boy's disappearance raised awareness of child abductions and led to new ways to search for missing children.
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    NYPD says New Jersey man implicated self in 6-year-old’s ‘disappearance and death’
    The NYPD may have solved the heartrending mystery of little Etan Patz’ disappearance 33 years ago, police brass said Thursday morning.

    "An individual now in custody has made statements to NYPD detectives implicating himself in the disappearance and death of Etan Patz 33 years ago,” Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said in a statement. “We expect to provide further details later today."

    Pedro Hernandez was picked up in Camden, N.J., on Wednesday, a source told the Daily News.

    Interest in the case was revived in April when law enforcement agents dug up a SoHo basement that was the workplace of former handyman Othniel Miller, who knew 6-year-old Etan from the neighborhood. The building was on the two-block route the boy was taking to his school bus when he disappeared on Friday, May 25, 1979.

    But the search turned up no new evidence. Two Dumpsters filled with debris removed from the 800-square-foot basement at 127B Prince St. were sent to a Staten Island landfill for preservation.

    Less than an hour after the NYPD and FBI formally ended their search on April 23, Miller's lawyer, Michael Farkas, said his client's reputation had been "dragged through the mud."

    Miller, 75, of Brooklyn, remains "deeply saddened by what happened to young Etan Patz," Farkas said.

    No one was ever arrested or charged with Etan's disappearance, but in 1985 a pedophile named Jose Ramos was identified as the prime suspect in the case. His girlfriend baby-sat for Etan.

    Ramos, who is 68 and is doing time in a Pennsylvania prison for molesting two boys, has admitted taking a young boy back to his apartment to rape on the day Etan disappeared. He said the boy looked like Etan, but insisted he let the boy go.

    The creep was declared responsible for Etan's death in 2004 in a New York civil case.

    Ramos is due to be released in November.
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    Sources say authorities do have some doubts about his story.

    New details are also starting to emerge in published reports, though they do have conflicting accounts of what allegedly happened to Etan.

    The New York Times reports a law enforcement official as saying Hernandez confessed to wrapping the six-year-old's body in a bag, putting it in a box and leaving it somewhere in Manhattan. However, the paper says another official said Hernandez couldn't find it when he returned to the location several days later.

    The New York Post and Daily News say the boy was stabbed after being lured with candy.

    Hernandez also apparently worked at a bodega near Etan's Prince Street home.

    Law enforcement officials say Hernandez has been linked to the case in the past.

    "It's a case that, to his credit, [Manhattan] District Attorney Cy Vance reopened in hopes not only of bringing justice but also offering some closure to Etan's parents. And as a father I just can't imagine what they've gone through and I certainly hope they are one step closer to bringing them some measure of relief," Mayor Michael Bloomberg told reporters Thursday.
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    Although convicted child molester Jose Ramos was suspected in the disappearance, and Brooklyn handyman Othneil Miller was also eyed during last month's search, no one has ever been prosecuted in the case.
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    The boy's disappearance 33 years ago Friday helped spawn a national movement to raise awareness of missing children, which involved a then-novel approach of splashing an image of the child's face across thousands of milk cartons.

    Police were tipped off to Hernandez by someone who knew him, and whom Hernandez had confided in, the source said.
    [...]

    Hernandez's claim is considered "a good lead," the source said, but it's unclear where the new development will take the decades-old case.

    However, a separate law enforcement source said Thursday that Hernandez's claims are being treated with "a healthy dose of skepticism." He was picked up Wednesday in New Jersey, two law enforcement sources added.

    Hernandez, who has not been charged with a crime, had lived and worked in the same Manhattan neighborhood where the Patz family lives, the source said.

    Investigators have looked at the man before in connection with the case, according to the second source, and his information is being treated very cautiously.

    Renewed attention over the Patz disappearance sprung up last month when investigators scoured Miller's SoHo basement, where Etan had been seen a day before he went missing, but it produced no obvious clues.

    Hernandez's name "came up more than once while interviewing others recently," said a law enforcement source, who added that authorities had been familiar with him years ago.

    The person whom Hernandez had allegedly confided in contacted authorities months ago after news coverage about the renewed search, which -- in part -- prompted investigators to question Hernandez.

    A spokeswoman for the Manhattan district attorney's office, which reopened the case in 2010, declined to comment on the recent development.

    New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg added that there's "still a lot more investigating to do."
    [...]

    Parents Stan and Julie Patz still live in their SoHo home and have not commented on the new developments.

    Cohen, author of "After Etan: The Missing Child Case That Held America Captive," told CNN earlier that "the family's been living through this for 33 years. They've had many moments like this. They've learned how to deal with it."
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    Pedro Hernandez, a former Manhattan store clerk who once lived in the same neighborhood as Etan Patz, was arrested in the boy's 1979 death, New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly says.

    Kelly says police have a signed confession from Hernandez.
    Patz's disappearance received national attention and helped trigger a national movement that focuses on missing children.
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    Missing child case 'awakened America'
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