Melissa G. Dean raised ungrateful brats

[Rotten Apple]

OCALA, Fla. -- A Central Florida mother of four boys was arrested on Tuesday after telling authorities that she went "on strike" more than a month ago, leaving the teens home alone for hours every day because they would constantly fight.

Melissa G. Dean, 33, was charged with child neglect after telling Ocala police and the Department of Children and Families that she leaves her children, ages 17, 16, 14 and 13, home alone.

http://www.local6.com/news/15357269/detail.html

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Read the article. I feel for this woman. Looks like she had the first one at 16 and was a single mother. I seriously don't think what she did was all that bad. The boys were not babies.

And besides, it probably kept her from smothering them in their sleep.

[impqueen]

yeah, i'm doing this one now. Honestly, she maybe went too far, but I can see why.

[ells9824]

Guess it just depends on which way the wind is blowing. Some moms get cute opinion pieces when they go on strike, this one gets warrants.
Meh..

[Rotten Apple]

Heh!

The little hellions are still causing trouble!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331690,00.html

[LadyValkyrie37]

This is not a case of the mother leaving the teens at home alone to go to the grocery store. The article says that she stayed at a friends house and only spent one night a week at home with her children. The article even says that she would cook meals and bring it over to her house for her children to eat. In my opinion, she should be charged with neglect. Instead of having a backbone, staying in her house with her children, being the mother that her children obviously need her to be, she tucked tail and ran away. We have a name for such parents... deadbeats. In my opinion, something has been wrong in her home long before she left. Kids just don't become rebellious, mean, nasty, and disrespectful overnight. It's obvious that the mother has personal issues when it comes to confrontation when dealing with her own children.

Oh by the way, that woman is 33 years old... same age as me. Her oldest is 17. My oldest is 16. She had her first child a year before me when she was 15. I speak from experience, maybe she didn't have good role models to go by when it comes to knowing how to be a good mother. Still, it's no excuse for running out on her kids. I had no role model either to go by, yet, somehow, I'm doing everything I possibly can to not make the same mistakes as my parents did that has landed me in therapy for all these years.

BTW, anyone else notice that she looks a lot older than 33? I can see in her eyes and in the lines in her face, she's led a very hard life.

[Rotten Apple]

This is not a case of the mother leaving the teens at home alone to go to the grocery store. The article says that she stayed at a friends house and only spent one night a week at home with her children. The article even says that she would cook meals and bring it over to her house for her children to eat. In my opinion, she should be charged with neglect.

Hmmm... she checked on them daily, made sure they were fed, and still kept a roof over their heads, but you think she should be charged with neglect?

And it is obvious that something was wrong in that home way before she left, she stated that she tried to get help but no one would help her. She only left after she got desperate.

And if she abandoned her kids, then their father(s) need to be charged as well. She didn't reproduce asexually.

It may not have been the best decision, but they are wasting their time on this. They need to go after real criminals.

BTW, 33-17 = 16.


Oh yeah, does anyone know where the boys are now? If she's in jail, shouldn't they be in foster care? Obviously, allowing them to live at that house alone is a crime.

[ells9824]

Oh yeah, does anyone know where the boys are now? If she's in jail, shouldn't they be in foster care? Obviously, allowing them to live at that house alone is a crime.

I think I read they were staying with neighbors after the kids chased DFS off. I'll have to go back and look.

[Rotten Apple]

I think I read they were staying with neighbors after the kids chased DFS off. I'll have to go back and look.

They chased DFS off? and this woman is being neglectful?

PUH-LEASE!

[ells9824]

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Sorry,they chased and threatened reporters. They didn't physically threaten the DFS, but both police and DFS were there, and the kids ARE STILL WITH THE NEIGHBORS!
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On Wednesday FOX 35 sent a reporter and photographer to the family's home for a story. When they got there Dean’s sons walked up to the news car when they pulled up and started swearing, and yelling out racial slurs three times the kids came back at the news crew. After the first time, the FOX 35 news crew called 911. The four kids then surrounded the FOX 35 news photographer. One of the kids stood behind him with a pipe in his hand while another kid threatened to hit him.

When police showed up they talked to some of the kids, who had scattered then took a report. A woman with the Department of Children and Families also showed up. We’re told the boys are staying with neighbors. No word on where the mother is after bonding out of jail.

[LadyValkyrie37]

Hmmm... she checked on them daily, made sure they were fed, and still kept a roof over their heads, but you think she should be charged with neglect?

And it is obvious that something was wrong in that home way before she left, she stated that she tried to get help but no one would help her. She only left after she got desperate.

And if she abandoned her kids, then their father(s) need to be charged as well. She didn't reproduce asexually.

It may not have been the best decision, but they are wasting their time on this. They need to go after real criminals.

BTW, 33-17 = 16.


Oh yeah, does anyone know where the boys are now? If she's in jail, shouldn't they be in foster care? Obviously, allowing them to live at that house alone is a crime.

You make it sound like the children are pets that a neighbor is kindly checking in on while the owner is away on vacation. There is more to being a parent than keeping a roof over a child's head and keeping food in their belly. And yes, she asked for help in the past, but is it really anyone else's responsibility to make her children behave? I don't think so. She is the mother and therefore is ultimately responsible for how her children are reared and disciplined. If she has problems dealing with how to proprerly discipline her children then she has the right to seek counseling/therapy for herself and/or her children. Did she do that? There are parenting classes and support groups that she could seek out. Did she do that? It seems that what she wanted was for someone, anyone, to be the parent for her. She said she petitioned the police and the courts to help her. It is not the police's or the court's responsibility to rear and discipline her children! It's her responsibility!

As for your little math lesson, It all depends upon both the mother and child's bithday. My birthday is 9/16/74 and my son's birthday is 8/31/91... I was 16 when I had him and he is 16 years old now.

Oh and the following article http://www.ocala.com/article/2008022...70/1356/NEWS01 says that she's 43 which makes more sense as to why she looks much older than 33.

[Rotten Apple]

You make it sound like the children are pets that a neighbor is kindly checking in on while the owner is away on vacation. There is more to being a parent than keeping a roof over a child's head and keeping food in their belly. And yes, she asked for help in the past, but is it really anyone else's responsibility to make her children behave? I don't think so. She is the mother and therefore is ultimately responsible for how her children are reared and disciplined. If she has problems dealing with how to proprerly discipline her children then she has the right to seek counseling/therapy for herself and/or her children. Did she do that? There are parenting classes and support groups that she could seek out. Did she do that? It seems that what she wanted was for someone, anyone, to be the parent for her. She said she petitioned the police and the courts to help her. It is not the police's or the court's responsibility to rear and discipline her children! It's her responsibility!

As for your little math lesson, It all depends upon both the mother and child's bithday. My birthday is 9/16/74 and my son's birthday is 8/31/91... I was 16 when I had him and he is 16 years old now.

Oh and the following article http://www.ocala.com/article/2008022...70/1356/NEWS01 says that she's 43 which makes more sense as to why she looks much older than 33.

I am 33 also. And I am also a parent. I don't need lessons on how children are not pets. I am very much aware of that. It is her ultimate responsibility and I 'm sure counseling and therapy are within the financial means of someone who is NOT a single mother with four teenage boys, but I doubt it was something she could afford. So she did the next best thing, went through the courts where it would probably have been provided free of charge if it had been ordered.

Now. I still stand by what I said. They are wasting taxpayer money on this case.

These are not infants or small children we are talking about, these are teenage boys who from the looks of the video seem to be larger than I am. Maybe this woman feared for her safety. Would you rather have stayed around until one of them hurt her, or she ended up hurting them?

There was no harm done here.

And oh yeah, unless you have some inside information on their birthdays, 33-17 still = 16.

However, 43 does make more sense.

[thepooh5]

OCALA, Fla. -- A Central Florida mother of four boys was arrested on Tuesday after telling authorities that she went "on strike" more than a month ago, leaving the teens home alone for hours every day because they would constantly fight.

Melissa G. Dean, 33, was charged with child neglect after telling Ocala police and the Department of Children and Families that she leaves her children, ages 17, 16, 14 and 13, home alone.

http://www.local6.com/news/15357269/detail.html

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Read the article. I feel for this woman. Looks like she had the first one at 16 and was a single mother. I seriously don't think what she did was all that bad. The boys were not babies.

And besides, it probably kept her from smothering them in their sleep.

I couldn't agree more. This woman being prosecuted is almost as bad as the Teresa Baker story, from WVA. I have never struck my child - I have spanked him - but honestly, if my son ever talked to me like that, I would sock him right in that big nasty mouth of his. I think these boys were probably physically abusing this woman and she is too ashamed to admitt it.

[LadyValkyrie37]

I am 33 also. And I am also a parent. I don't need lessons on how children are not pets. I am very much aware of that. It is her ultimate responsibility and I 'm sure counseling and therapy are within the financial means of someone who is NOT a single mother with four teenage boys, but I doubt it was something she could afford. So she did the next best thing, went through the courts where it would probably have been provided free of charge if it had been ordered.

Now. I still stand by what I said. They are wasting taxpayer money on this case.

These are not infants or small children we are talking about, these are teenage boys who from the looks of the video seem to be larger than I am. Maybe this woman feared for her safety. Would you rather have stayed around until one of them hurt her, or she ended up hurting them?

There was no harm done here.

And oh yeah, unless you have some inside information on their birthdays, 33-17 still = 16.

However, 43 does make more sense.

Please do not preach to me about the whoas of being a single mother. I've been a single working mother. If a mother truely cares and wishes for things to change, she will do what is needed for that change to happen. That may mean taking advantage of certain programs that are in place for those like struggling single mothers. I've lived in 3 different states and I've attended state funded counseling centers in all three states. Such facilities take most all forms of insurance and even have what is called a sliding scale fee for those who have no insurance at all. Those fees are usually very, very low... just a mere fraction of what a counselor, therapist, or psychiatrist would normally get. Every state in this nation has state funded medicaid that a single mother with a low income and no access to health insurance can take advantage of. Some states like Pennsylvania have a program that is called chip http://www.chipcoverspakids.com/ that is health insurance for those families who make too much money to be considered to be eligible for state funded medicaid programs. The key is swallowing ones pride and doing what must be done so one can bring one's family out of darkness and into light. There is help for single mothers is they will choose to help themselves. Melissa G. Dean chose to run away from her problem.

If any of her children hurt her it would be because she never taught them to respect her as an authority figure. Instead they would see her as an equal or even inferior. If her children hurt her, she would be reaping what she sowed. You will get out of your children what you put into them. The same goes for life... you get out of life what you put into it.

If she hurt her children, we are back to the square one, she would be charged with child abuse and she still has major issues within herself that she needs to work on in therapy. But in my opinion, she is hurting her children by running away from them and running away from the problems instead of facing them head on. She's not teaching her children anything except the concept of "When things get tough, tuck tail and run for the hills."

[thepooh5]

"Oh yeah, does anyone know where the boys are now? If she's in jail, shouldn't they be in foster care? Obviously, allowing them to live at that house alone is a crime."

Exactly - if they can charge her, why wasn't DFS, charged for leaving the "little babies" at the home once the mother was arrested?

*still fuming*

[thepooh5]

"If any of her children hurt her it would be because she never taught them to respect her as an authority figure. Instead they would see her as an equal or even inferior. If her children hurt her, she would be reaping what she sowed. You will get out of your children what you put into them. The same goes for life... you get out of life what you put into it."

Are you kidding me? She is out numbered and out sized - out everything - except her bratty kids - that not even family and childrens services are willing to deal with. Hell, if the neighbors are good enough while she was in jail, why weren't they good enough when she left. Why aren't you bashing DFS? You know saying that she should have raised them better, may just come back to bite you in the ass. Your son, like mine, is 16 - we're not out of the woods yet.

I have taught my son right from wrong from day one. I have taught him respect from day one. But, it is crazy to believe, if for whatever reason, my son chose to start acting like this, that I could physically handle him. He is bigger and stronger. And I would guess it is the same with your son. So what are you gonna do if he suddenly goes bad in his teen years? - as some teens do, unexpectedly and with good parents.

So the kids are out of hand - and the courts won't help. Just what is getting some counseling, for herself gonna do for their bad behavior? And you said she should get them some help - who is gonna make them get in the car and go? She would have to have a court order, for anyone to "make" them, because I'm quite sure that the boys would not attend by themselves or because she asked them to attend. In fact, I wouldn't care to venture, that even with a court order, they still wouldn't go - they would be arrested first.

I can't believe the behavior those boys displayed - but to fault her and her parenting skills, is pretty sad. Had she been a non-caring mother, she wouldn't have left, she would have got rid of them. Had she been non-caring, she wouldn't have been feeding them and calling daily and going back to the abuse one night a week.

[Rotten Apple]

LadyValkyrie -
You can go on and on about what a horrible person this woman is. You can't convince me. From the facts that are available to me, I truly feel that she had done what she could and was at her wits end. She tried to deal with the problem in the only way she knew how. She had no luck. Obviously, her contact with the courts and police did not help her to become aware of the programs you say are readily available out there.

And I refuse to accept your argument that she would be reaping what she sowed if her children hurt her. She should just stick around because you think she deserved it? Screw that.

And seeing as she had daily contact with her children and knew they were physically healthy, I don't see how that can be seen as "running away." Go check out the front page. You will see the true meaning of neglect. Letting an infant starve to death while his skin is rotting from sitting in his own waste is neglect. Trying to teach some spoiled teens a lesson is not. She did not leave the state, she did not leave the city. She did not leave with no way for the teens to contact her. She knew what was going on at her home.

Prosecuting her is a complete waste of taxpayer money.

[thepooh5]

How in the hell does one - groan a comment?

[impqueen]

How in the hell does one - groan a comment?

Just push the little groan button on the bottom right. But not on mine, because I rule :)

I have the jail records linked on the front page article on Melissa Dean, and she is 43. She still looks exhausted to me.

I can't judge this mother. I can judge Tracy Hermann. I can judge Caren Kohberger. I can judge pretty much every mom that makes our front page that isn't in the comments. But this woman? Can't do it. She may not have been the most effective parent, but she did not kill her children or leave them wholly unattended. She spoke to them by phone daily. This mom, after seeing her kids, deserves an acquittal.

[thepooh5]

"Just push the little groan button on the bottom right. But not on mine, because I rule"

I see thanks, quote, quote +, and quik reply. I don't see a groan - maybe I'm blind - we already know I'm dumber than a box of rocks.

And yes you do rule - whoops, now I'll have to say something nice to Morbid and feed the ego.

[LadyValkyrie37]

"If any of her children hurt her it would be because she never taught them to respect her as an authority figure. Instead they would see her as an equal or even inferior. If her children hurt her, she would be reaping what she sowed. You will get out of your children what you put into them. The same goes for life... you get out of life what you put into it."

Are you kidding me? She is out numbered and out sized - out everything - except her bratty kids - that not even family and childrens services are willing to deal with. Hell, if the neighbors are good enough while she was in jail, why weren't they good enough when she left. Why aren't you bashing DFS? You know saying that she should have raised them better, may just come back to bite you in the ass. Your son, like mine, is 16 - we're not out of the woods yet.

I have taught my son right from wrong from day one. I have taught him respect from day one. But, it is crazy to believe, if for whatever reason, my son chose to start acting like this, that I could physically handle him. He is bigger and stronger. And I would guess it is the same with your son. So what are you gonna do if he suddenly goes bad in his teen years? - as some teens do, unexpectedly and with good parents.

So the kids are out of hand - and the courts won't help. Just what is getting some counseling, for herself gonna do for their bad behavior? And you said she should get them some help - who is gonna make them get in the car and go? She would have to have a court order, for anyone to "make" them, because I'm quite sure that the boys would not attend by themselves or because she asked them to attend. In fact, I wouldn't care to venture, that even with a court order, they still wouldn't go - they would be arrested first.

I can't believe the behavior those boys displayed - but to fault her and her parenting skills, is pretty sad. Had she been a non-caring mother, she wouldn't have left, she would have got rid of them. Had she been non-caring, she wouldn't have been feeding them and calling daily and going back to the abuse one night a week.

Do you believe I'm a "June Cleaver" kind of mother and my son as well as my other two children, ages 14 (girl) and 12 (boy) are like June Cleaver's children? LMAO! Oh boy I think maybe I've given the wrong impression here. I say what I say because I speak from EXPERIENCE. My oldest son is diagnosed with ADHD and Bipolar Disorder. My daughter is diagnosed with Mood Disorder NOS (Not Otherwise Specified). My youngest son is also diagnosed with Mood Disorder NOS (Not Otherwise Specified). I, myself am diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, Bipolar Disorder and PMDD. We all take medications and seek weekly therapy and see a psychiatrist monthly. I've been married twice and divorced twice. I've abused drugs and alcohol and at one point in my life should have had my own children taken away from me because I was so strung out on drugs and alcohol. However, I got cleaned up because my kids needed me to. However, the damage to my children from years of seeing their bio father and step father abuse me and years of seeing me wallow in my own self loathing had already took it's toll. We all have been in therapy for years now. I now see the benefits of staying and fighting the demons within can have on my children. It's showing them they too can stand strong and fight their own inner demons, because I'll be right there with them.

Oh, and you know what? I do know from personal experience what it's like for my child to hit me. My oldest son has. He's bigger than me, stronger than me, and have anger and rage issues due to the mental illnesses he has. Growing up seeing his father beat me didn't do him any good either. But I stood my ground and got the proper authorities on my side. He now knows I will have him charged with assult the next time he lays a hand on me.

I do not just talk out of my ass. I speak from experience... the good, the bad, and the horribly ugly experiences I've had in life struggling to raise my children.

[LadyValkyrie37]

LadyValkyrie -
You can go on and on about what a horrible person this woman is. You can't convince me. From the facts that are available to me, I truly feel that she had done what she could and was at her wits end. She tried to deal with the problem in the only way she knew how. She had no luck. Obviously, her contact with the courts and police did not help her to become aware of the programs you say are readily available out there.

And I refuse to accept your argument that she would be reaping what she sowed if her children hurt her. She should just stick around because you think she deserved it? Screw that.

And seeing as she had daily contact with her children and knew they were physically healthy, I don't see how that can be seen as "running away." Go check out the front page. You will see the true meaning of neglect. Letting an infant starve to death while his skin is rotting from sitting in his own waste is neglect. Trying to teach some spoiled teens a lesson is not. She did not leave the state, she did not leave the city. She did not leave with no way for the teens to contact her. She knew what was going on at her home.

Prosecuting her is a complete waste of taxpayer money.

I do NOT have to check out any front page or any other website for that matter to know what abuse and neglect is. Please do NOT assume I do not know what abuse and neglect is. I'm a survivor or incest, rape, child abuse in the form of both physical and emotional, spousal abuse in the form of both physical and emotional, and spousal rape. And you will NOT change MY mind on this subject. That mother was doing nothing but running away from her problems. She wasn't teaching anyone anything. She was simply running away when the times got rough.

[Rotten Apple]

I do NOT have to check out any front page or any other website for that matter to know what abuse and neglect is. Please do NOT assume I do not know what abuse and neglect is. I'm a survivor or incest, rape, child abuse in the form of both physical and emotional, spousal abuse in the form of both physical and emotional, and spousal rape. And you will NOT change MY mind on this subject. That mother was doing nothing but running away from her problems. She wasn't teaching anyone anything. She was simply running away when the times got rough.

You need to understand something. Just because we don't choose to make it public knowledge doesn't mean that some of us haven't suffered from the same experiences you have. As a matter of fact, I find that it is what seems to draw some of these people to this site.

Because of this, I am even MORE convinced that this woman does not need to be prosecuted. These children have not suffered anywhere near what some of us have suffered, if they suffered at all.

I don't think this lady was trying to teach her children ANYTHING. I think she was just trying to get a break.

From what you have posted, it seems that you have at times been a far worse parent than this lady has. Yet you want her to be prosecuted. heh.

[impqueen]

I do NOT have to check out any front page or any other website for that matter to know what abuse and neglect is. Please do NOT assume I do not know what abuse and neglect is. I'm a survivor or incest, rape, child abuse in the form of both physical and emotional, spousal abuse in the form of both physical and emotional, and spousal rape. And you will NOT change MY mind on this subject. That mother was doing nothing but running away from her problems. She wasn't teaching anyone anything. She was simply running away when the times got rough.

I think you'll find that you are certainly not alone in your survivorship in this forum. Most true crime aficionados are such due to factors in their lives that make this kind of thing particularly interesting or personal to them. So please don't assume that the people you're posting to aren't also survivors with triggers and feelings.

Kathy suggested you read the article I posted on the front page: http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/02/...ent-on-strike/

She suggested that not to be mean, but to give you a bigger picture of what occurred and what the state alleges happened versus this woman's story. We are not in the habit of defending child abusers here. If you have seen the video of these boys threatening adults, you will see that this lady may have had a real fear for her life. She clearly states that she called the police twelve times between September and January and got no help in finding resources to assist her with her sons. Two of her sons are old enough to be legally emancipated and should be. Her two younger sons might do just fine once the older boys are out of the home.

I understand that you feel very strongly about this situation. I also understand that sometimes people don't express themselves very well in print. If you have seen the video and read the article linked, and you still feel the way you do, you are of course entitled to your opinion - it just won't be one that the majority here share. That's also totally fine, as we welcome differing thoughts - but there's no need to be rude about it.

Plus, Kathy can choke a bitch like nothing you've ever seen. She has magic corset laces. I love her.

[LadyValkyrie37]

You need to understand something. Just because we don't choose to make it public knowledge doesn't mean that some of us haven't suffered from the same experiences you have. As a matter of fact, I find that it is what seems to draw some of these people to this site.

Because of this, I am even MORE convinced that this woman does not need to be prosecuted. These children have not suffered anywhere near what some of us have suffered, if they suffered at all.

I don't think this lady was trying to teach her children ANYTHING. I think she was just trying to get a break.

From what you have posted, it seems that you have at times been a far worse parent than this lady has. Yet you want her to be prosecuted. heh.

Tricky, tricky, tricky lil devil you think you are don't you? Didn't I say that I should have had my children taken from me because of my past actions? If I would have had them taken away from me back then I very well deserved it. You want to talk about my opinion on her "persecition? I do believe that Melissa Dean also deserves to be given the minimum sentence allowed for child neglect in that state, with time served, the courts make it mandatory for the whole family be in individual and family counseling, Melissa take parenting classes, and the children be slowly released back into her custody, after she finishes the parenting classes. I'm not about the children being taken away from her permenantly. I'm for the whole family get the help that they all need so that the healing can begin.

[LadyValkyrie37]

I think you'll find that you are certainly not alone in your survivorship in this forum. Most true crime aficionados are such due to factors in their lives that make this kind of thing particularly interesting or personal to them. So please don't assume that the people you're posting to aren't also survivors with triggers and feelings.

Kathy suggested you read the article I posted on the front page: http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/02/...ent-on-strike/

She suggested that not to be mean, but to give you a bigger picture of what occurred and what the state alleges happened versus this woman's story. We are not in the habit of defending child abusers here. If you have seen the video of these boys threatening adults, you will see that this lady may have had a real fear for her life. She clearly states that she called the police twelve times between September and January and got no help in finding resources to assist her with her sons. Two of her sons are old enough to be legally emancipated and should be. Her two younger sons might do just fine once the older boys are out of the home.

I understand that you feel very strongly about this situation. I also understand that sometimes people don't express themselves very well in print. If you have seen the video and read the article linked, and you still feel the way you do, you are of course entitled to your opinion - it just won't be one that the majority here share. That's also totally fine, as we welcome differing thoughts - but there's no need to be rude about it.

Plus, Kathy can choke a bitch like nothing you've ever seen. She has magic corset laces. I love her.

I have googled Michelle's name and read everything that's written about her and her children and watched everything as well. My opinion stands as is.

[Rotten Apple]

Tricky, tricky, tricky lil devil you think you are don't you? Didn't I say that I should have had my children taken from me because of my past actions? If I would have had them taken away from me back then I very well deserved it. You want to talk about my opinion on her "persecition? I do believe that Melissa Dean also deserves to be given the minimum sentence allowed for child neglect in that state, with time served, the courts make it mandatory for the whole family be in individual and family counseling, Melissa take parenting classes, and the children be slowly released back into her custody, after she finishes the parenting classes. I'm not about the children being taken away from her permenantly. I'm for the whole family get the help that they all need so that the healing can begin.

LOL! I don't think I'm being tricky at all. I don't play games. I say what I mean. I know you said your children should have been taken from you. I just find it ironic that you think this woman has committed such a horrible crime when you yourself have done far worse.

And really, I think she would be RELIEVED if they took her children. She may even pack their bags for them.

I think you are making the situation out to be more complicated than it is. Healing? Parenting classes? Its seems to me that it is the boys that need lessons in behavior modification, not her.

Jesus, all this babying and coddling of brats is exactly what is ruining this world. Children aren't learning personal responsibility. Some guy with a PhD will come along and talk about their feelings with them and absolve them of all responsibility for their behaviors. It makes me want to puke.

[LadyValkyrie37]

LOL! I don't think I'm being tricky at all. I don't play games. I say what I mean. I know you said your children should have been taken from you. I just find it ironic that you think this woman has committed such a horrible crime when you yourself have done far worse.

And really, I think she would be RELIEVED if they took her children. She may even pack their bags for them.

I think you are making the situation out to be more complicated than it is. Healing? Parenting classes? Its seems to me that it is the boys that need lessons in behavior modification, not her.

Jesus, all this babying and coddling of brats is exactly what is ruining this world. Children aren't learning personal responsibility. Some guy with a PhD will come along and talk about their feelings with them and absolve them of all responsibility for their behaviors. It makes me want to puke.

Go ahead and puke but you are misguided in your feelings about therapy. Therapy is NOT about absolving anyone of any responsibility. Quite the opposite really. Therapy helps the patient understand why they act and react the way they do, (is it physical such as a chemical imbalance or is it more of a learned behavior through one's environment or a combination of the two) but in the end the patient has to learn certain behavior modifications and coping skills so that they do not repeat their mistakes. "Psychotherapy is most successful when the individual enters therapy on their own and has a strong desire to change. If you don’t want to change, change will be slow in coming. Change means altering those aspects of your life that aren’t working for you any longer, or are contributing to your problems or ongoing issues." from psychcentral.com

[impqueen]

Go ahead and puke but you are misguided in your feelings about therapy. Therapy is NOT about absolving anyone of any responsibility. Quite the opposite really. Therapy helps the patient understand why they act and react the way they do, (is it physical such as a chemical imbalance or is it more of a learned behavior through one's environment or a combination of the two) but in the end the patient has to learn certain behavior modifications and coping skills so that they do not repeat their mistakes. "Psychotherapy is most successful when the individual enters therapy on their own and has a strong desire to change. If you don’t want to change, change will be slow in coming. Change means altering those aspects of your life that aren’t working for you any longer, or are contributing to your problems or ongoing issues." from psychcentral.com

I know you're new here, but your BPD is showing. And a little BPD goes a long way toward therapy acceptance, I know, especially if your therapist returns your calls. A fair number of us here have been through therapy. At least one or two of us have psych degrees. We also have a lot of psych nurses. You really are not giving us information we don't know. Several of us just disagree with you on this particular case, and pontificating at us isn't going to change our minds.

After you've read the front page or other threads here for awhile, you'll understand better why we feel the way we do on some subjects. For example, I spent part of yesterday writing an article on a dead baby that was left in a carseat by his parents for over a week. That's neglect.

I actually think that you might want to stick around and get to know us a little bit better before you preach. You seem like a reasonably intelligent person, but coming in here, baring your entire psych history and throwing fits your first few days really isn't conducive to a long term posting relationship, because we have some people here who will argue you into an emergency therapy session and a no-harm contract. Nobody wants that, so just chill out and enjoy it. We can be a lot of fun when we're not being accosted by newbies who want to school us in trauma. Maybe you should take a pill and cool out.

By the by, i wasn't calling you a bitch earlier. That "choke a bitch" thing is a running joke. I just realized you probably didn't know that.

[impqueen]

"Just push the little groan button on the bottom right. But not on mine, because I rule"

I see thanks, quote, quote +, and quik reply. I don't see a groan - maybe I'm blind - we already know I'm dumber than a box of rocks.

And yes you do rule - whoops, now I'll have to say something nice to Morbid and feed the ego.

Pooh, maybe you got booted. If you're not signed in you won't see the thumbs up and thumbs down at the bottom of each post on the right, they should be right next to the quote buttons. If you're signed in and they're still not there I'll see if I can find out what's up, there may be a glitch.

Yeah, you should totally hit Morbid with some panties because he's been overworked and underpantied lately. And Kathy stole his scooter. :D

[TalkingJesus]

I have googled Michelle's name and read everything that's written about her and her children and watched everything as well. My opinion stands as is.

Obviously you haven't read everything written about Melissa since you haven't read the front page and didn't even get her name correct.