Siblings indicted on incest charges

[ells9824]

Prosecutors are calling it a disgusting crime that's now affected two Tri-state children.

A Kenton County grand jury has indicted an adult brother and sister on incest charges after she gave birth to two children.

..........The results showed there was a 99.99% probability that James Deaver was the father to his sister's child.

What's disturbing to authorities is that both siblings were charged with the same crime after having a child together in Campbell County in 1998.

Linda Deaver is still being held in jail.

She faces one to five years if convicted.

Her brother is out on bond and faces double the time since he was classified a sex offender after the 1998 conviction.

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[swivel]

I'm confused. Shouldn't these people get a medal for not breeding outside the family?

[Rotten Apple]

"In Kentucky it is a criminal offense to have sexual intercourse with anyone within a certain set number of relations," said Rob Sanders, a Kenton County Commonwealth attorney, "and they basically start out with brother and sister."

Wait. What? Really? I thought Kentucky was open-minded on these kinds of things.

They look like they could be twins. Maybe they aren't incestuous as much as they are narcissistic. It's like they were doing themselves. A step up from masturbating.

Were they raising the children?

[swivel]

What would be the Libertarian take? I suppose we allow any two consenting adults have sex with one another, but make the abortion of children sired by siblings mandatory? Or do we have to wait for the kid to be born before we fine the parents? Or do we have to show that the kid has actual genetic abnormalities before enforcing the law? Or do we give a free pass to all of them, since the rate of disorder is not 100%, just as we consign the 300,000 children a year to suffering because it isn't EVERY kid?

Wow. How much simpler is all of that than putting into place a societal law that is also written in our DNA: You can't have sex with members of your immediate family.

All animals know this. Chimps raised apart, and re-united, will not have sex with one another. Most animals can smell the difference between their relatives, even humans. The psychological study which demonstrated this had dozens of mothers smell clothing, and they were each able to identify their children's garments.

Another case of an objective moral truth that belongs in our criminal code, and needs to be enforced. Despite the protestations of our anarchic friends, the Libertarians, who would see the above couple as the "victims", and not the child.

[kakihara]

There is nothing more natural than the love between a brother and sister...and father...and mother...and uncle...and first cousin...and rover the loyal family dog...

[ZombieBabe]

Candy is dandy, but incest is best.

Incestors are better than ancestors.

Brother and sister from WVA are having sex one day. Sister looks at the brother and says "Y'know! You fuck just like daddy!" Brother says "I know! Mom said the same thing!"

[AB@DD]

Why was he listed as a sex offender after they had the first child together and she was not?

[ells9824]

I wondered about that,too. All I could think of was one of them had to be "clear" to take the kid places kids need to go. Not a very good reason but it makes more sense than some things they do in regards to those lists.

[swivel]

Why was he listed as a sex offender after they had the first child together and she was not?

Rape?

[ells9824]

She was still charged though, so that couldn't be right.

[swivel]

She was still charged though, so that couldn't be right.

Maybe another incidence. AFTER he was let out of jail the first time?

[ells9824]

Nope-if this article is correct-

What's disturbing to authorities is that both siblings were charged with the same crime after having a child together in Campbell County in 1998.

At that time, Linda Deaver was given diversion and James Deaver a suspended sentence.

"This is obviously disgusting in nature and why they did this I have no idea, but it's not an accident or one twisted occasion when this happened," said Sanders.

"It's an on-going pattern of behavior, and because of the children involved and because we want to make sure there are no more children born in this situation, it's something we take very seriously," said Sanders.
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So maybe they thought he was more at fault, but this time they knew they were both sick bastages.

[swivel]

Hmmm... Good theory. Maybe men are given more of the blame in sex in general? Who knows.

My wife saw the story and said that these people should have been "fixed" after the first transgression. What do you think about that?

[Rotten Apple]

So maybe they thought he was more at fault, but this time they knew they were both sick bastages.

Maybe she is ummm...what is the PC word for mentally retarded?
I am too tired to make that attempt right now.

Or maybe age had something to do with it. Are their ages mentioned anywhere?

Hell, maybe her public defender was just better than his.

My wife saw the story and said that these people should have been "fixed" after the first transgression. What do you think about that?

I think everyone should be fixed after their first "transgression." If having one kid doesn't already make you want to get yourself fixed, it should be written into the laws that you HAVE to.

[ells9824]

Honestly Swivel, if I thought they were going to do it once, I'd have had them spayed.

Shouldn't he have been on parole? Surely, this was not okay with the parole officer. These guys seemed bound and determined to continue this madness.

[gprime]

What would be the Libertarian take? I suppose we allow any two consenting adults have sex with one another, but make the abortion of children sired by siblings mandatory? Or do we have to wait for the kid to be born before we fine the parents? Or do we have to show that the kid has actual genetic abnormalities before enforcing the law? Or do we give a free pass to all of them, since the rate of disorder is not 100%, just as we consign the 300,000 children a year to suffering because it isn't EVERY kid?

Wow. How much simpler is all of that than putting into place a societal law that is also written in our DNA: You can't have sex with members of your immediate family.

All animals know this. Chimps raised apart, and re-united, will not have sex with one another. Most animals can smell the difference between their relatives, even humans. The psychological study which demonstrated this had dozens of mothers smell clothing, and they were each able to identify their children's garments.

Another case of an objective moral truth that belongs in our criminal code, and needs to be enforced. Despite the protestations of our anarchic friends, the Libertarians, who would see the above couple as the "victims", and not the child.

Well, I'm a neo-Objectivist with Libertarian sympathies, so I think I can answer that. I would respect their rights to do as they wish, since they are not infringing upon the rights of any other individual. Sure their actions are sick, and I think they would do well to seek mental help. But that doesn't mean they aren't entitled to do what they so desire.

[ells9824]

Well, I'm a neo-Objectivist with Libertarian sympathies, so I think I can answer that. I would respect their rights to do as they wish, since they are not infringing upon the rights of any other individual. Sure their actions are sick, and I think they would do well to seek mental help. But that doesn't mean they aren't entitled to do what they so desire.

I would tend to not agree with this just because there is a reason incest is not allowed. Back in the day they realized you simply can't breed with someone that closely related or bad things occur genetically. If they want to have sex that bad, one of them needs to be sterilized and then they can fuck like bunnies.

[Rotten Apple]

Well, I'm a neo-Objectivist with Libertarian sympathies, so I think I can answer that. I would respect their rights to do as they wish, since they are not infringing upon the rights of any other individual. Sure their actions are sick, and I think they would do well to seek mental help. But that doesn't mean they aren't entitled to do what they so desire.

What about the children? They had children.

[swivel]

What about the children? They had children.

Exactly, this is not a victim-less crime. And since the action is intended to have the consequences of pregnancy, the simplest measure is to outlaw the action altogether. Not wait for the expected result.

[CPL CHUD]

Yet another good pro-castration solution.

[V...]

It is true, the hills really do have eyes. Is that a mouth harp I hear in the distance?

Why was he listed as a sex offender after they had the first child together and she was not?

Perhaps Linda was a minor when their first lovechild was born? The Sunday squirrel roast must have been interesting at the Deaver house when that happened,

"You have some explaining to do young woman."

"I like it when Jimmy touches me Mommy, it makes me feel funny down there! And, you lied to me mommy, you told me watermelon seeds grew in your tummy if you swallowed them, I didn’t know Jimmy’s would too!"

[gprime]

What about the children? They had children.

Until the child exits the womb, it is a functionally a parasite inside the host body. Therefore, any action taken by the host that negatively impacts it is acceptable, as parasites do not have rights. After birth, there is no doubt that the child will be affected, but the cause of their injury was not criminal or something the law is entitled to have prevented.

[swivel]

Until the child exits the womb, it is a functionally a parasite inside the host body. Therefore, any action taken by the host that negatively impacts it is acceptable, as parasites do not have rights. After birth, there is no doubt that the child will be affected, but the cause of their injury was not criminal or something the law is entitled to have prevented.

Not true. There are cases of women dying, and passing the children afterwards, with the children surviving. After a certain age, the unborn child is still a viable human being, capable of living autonomously (if not being able to fend for itself, but no human child can). With medical progress, this age has been pushed back several weeks.

If you go this extreme, none of your better ideas will ever be taken seriously.

[Rotten Apple]

Until the child exits the womb, it is a functionally a parasite inside the host body. Therefore, any action taken by the host that negatively impacts it is acceptable, as parasites do not have rights. After birth, there is no doubt that the child will be affected, but the cause of their injury was not criminal or something the law is entitled to have prevented.

I'm not going to get into a "when does life begin?" debate here. The fact is these children ARE alive. These people did not choose to abort knowing very well that their fucked up backwoods genes would be CONCENTRATED in the children. This happened not once, but TWICE.

Come on now, you can't really believe that these two peoples right to bone exceeds the rights of another?

[ells9824]

I'm going to with mentally incapacitated. I looked him up on the KY sex offender registry, and no KY is not a sponsor, that stands for KENTUCKY! Anyway... He was charged with sodomy 2nd, and incest. Both of those have a stipulation for mentally incapacitated.

He was born in 67,so he was 20/21 at that point. I haven't found a birthday for her so not sure how old she is/was at the time.

[grannyof2]

following zombis's post

closer kin deeper in :D

[grannyof2]

if they were charged in campell county, it may have been right across KY line into campbell county TN

[Angel]

Add-on to ZB, and Granny:

Do it with your sister, and you won't get a blister
Do it with your brother, and you'll never want another
The family that cums together sticks together...relatively speaking.

--Audience lines from Rocky Horror Picture Show
:surprised:
Yes, I spent many weekends at the midnight movies as an emancipated teen. The good old days.....

[ImmortalOne]

So... how old exactly are these siblings anyway?

And no this is NOT a victimless crime by any means... I have to completely agree, there is a reason there are laws about breeding with your family members... This isn't supposed to be the local strip joint where you can visit with your aunt, sister, mother, and grandmother and call it a family reunion and family entertainment at the same time...

[Unamused Cat]

Here's their pic. :eyes: