I totally agree, monkeys are fucking assholes.Originally Posted by sheevaa
I totally agree, monkeys are fucking assholes.
“It is the confession, not the priest, that gives us absolution”
Oscar Wilde
They're suing because the state allowed dangerous animals and because they did nothing when it was reported that the animal could be an issue. I agree that the friend should be sued...but hey, the state's got more money...
Keeping exotic animals in NYC is illegal as it should be everywhere. Chimps are fucking violent and will rip your face off. (sorry)
I feel so sorry for the victim in this case. What happened to her is beyond words. She should sue her friend and the State of CT. Maybe then they will pass some legislation banning exotic pets and a situation like this won't happen to anyone ever again.
Sue the state of CT? No. Campaign to have the laws changed? Yes. Some people in this country are so fast to sue everyone in sight when anything goes wrong. They throw their litigation net far and wide looking for to get lots of money. And yes the state of Ct has more money than the friend, but is the taxpayers money. Why in the world should the taxpayers give this woman money?
I think those chimp colonies in the mist or wherever the fuck they live need to be passing a hat.
“It is the confession, not the priest, that gives us absolution”
Oscar Wilde
BITCH!
Because she had her face ripped off. Literally. She has to go get a new face.
Also, it wasn't the first time this chimp caused trouble. He once held up traffic and shut down an entire highway. I'm sure the taxpayers had to pay for that as well in one way or another.
If my face was ripped off and I was almost killed you better believe that I would be suing the state of CT. They were as negligent as the crazy lady that wined and dined her chimp.
Yes it is sad. It sucks and is unfair. But your reasoning doesn't make sense to me.Because she had her face ripped off. Literally. She has to go get a new face.
Also, it wasn't the first time this chimp caused trouble. He once held up traffic and shut down an entire highway. I'm sure the taxpayers had to pay for that as well in one way or another.
If my face was ripped off and I was almost killed you better believe that I would be suing the state of CT. They were as negligent as the crazy lady that wined and dined her chimp.
1. because the chimp got loose once the authorities were somehow supposed to guess the animal would rip someones face off at some point years down the road?
2. if this woman wins her law suit then everytime an animal maims someone the government could be liable. (same scenario, dog gets loose once, then later down the road seriously injures someone)
3. demanding money from the government because you were injured is not reasonable. They did not own the animal, they did not call the victim over to help catch the animal, they had nothing to do with the situation.
I agree the woman needs a new face. That is what health and homeowners insurance is for. Whatever insurance does not pay for should be covered by the animals OWNER.
I am thinking that we will not agree on this matter. I, as a taxpayer am tired of seeing my money spent on private issues and interests. This type of lawsuit seems like a private issue to me.
We really need to start blaming the judges that allow some of these lawsuits to go forward
But than, judges are lawyers and they all protect their own, the more court cases the more jobs, the more jobs the higher the income, the higher the income, the more power and toys
Keep those courts jammed, keep the payroll high, and the job market stays solid
Honestly, part of me agrees with you but I just don't see it as that black and white y'know? As a taxpayer that has NEVER collected a dime from the system in any way, and as a person that has never sued anyone or any entity in my life, I just believe this woman is in the right in this situation.
A chimp is not a dog and its unfair to compare the two. A chimp is a wild animal and NOT a domesticated one. Many states have laws outlawing "exotic" or dangerous pets due to the fact that they are just that-dangerous. In my opinion, this chimp has acted out before. He had been disruptive and showed aggression.
CT state authorities knew about this animal and had dealt with him before. Were they supposed to guess that the would eventually violently and brutally attack one of their citizens? No. But it happened. I don't compare this woman to the normal overly litigious people in this country. But I do think she deserves financial retribution for what happened to her because what happened to her is beyond the pale.
It was horrific.
I still do not agree with you, though I understand you feel empathy for this woman (so do I). Seriously you think 150 million dollars is needed to help her rebuild her face? She is already suing the chimps owner and the owners insurance company for 50 million. I think there is a point in which you surpass retribution and get right into greed. Additionally I do not think it is the woman herself that is doing this but her family who hopes to recieve this money. I hope she gets everything she is asking for from the OWNER and not one penny more.Honestly, part of me agrees with you but I just don't see it as that black and white y'know? As a taxpayer that has NEVER collected a dime from the system in any way, and as a person that has never sued anyone or any entity in my life, I just believe this woman is in the right in this situation.
A chimp is not a dog and its unfair to compare the two. A chimp is a wild animal and NOT a domesticated one. Many states have laws outlawing "exotic" or dangerous pets due to the fact that they are just that-dangerous. In my opinion, this chimp has acted out before. He had been disruptive and showed aggression.
CT state authorities knew about this animal and had dealt with him before. Were they supposed to guess that the would eventually violently and brutally attack one of their citizens? No. But it happened. I don't compare this woman to the normal overly litigious people in this country. But I do think she deserves financial retribution for what happened to her because what happened to her is beyond the pale.
I'm agreeing with Pene on this one. All your points are valid.
I'd also like to point out that this woman was trying to LURE the chimp back into the house with her friend, which means she was interacting with it at the time of the attack. Do we know exactly how they were trying to lure the chimp back in the house? I think the woman may have instigated the attack. She is not a trainer/animal professional.
Secondly, pets are considered property under the Constitution, and are protected by 4th amendment against illegal search and seizure. If the state didn't have any laws on the books that made exotic pets illegal, the owner technically did nothing wrong in keeping the chimp. The state would not have been able to seize the chimp.
This was a terrible attack, and I feel for the woman. But, at some point in our lives, we all have to own up to the fact that our own actions may have caused our circumstances. It's called personal responsibility.
Now, would I visit a friend's home if they had exotic pets? No. I certainly wouldn't be trying to lure a large animal anywhere, regardless of it's domestication. They are still animals.
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Charla Nash, Chimp Attack Victim, Shows her face on "Oprah"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_354001.htmlCharla Nash, the Connecticut woman mauled by a 200 pound chimpanzee in February, appeared on "Oprah" Wednesday to reveal her face and share heartbreaking details on her life since the attack.
Nash — who turned 56 Tuesday — revealed "the remnants of her missing eyes, nose and lips," as ABC News described it.
Nash told Oprah that she feels no pain but that she tries not to touch her face so as to avoid knowing the full extent of her injuries.
"I don't ask a whole lot about my injuries... I know that I have my forehead," she said. She now drinks her meals "with a straw through a small hole where her mouth used to be," ABC added.
Nash lost both her hands in the attack, as well as her nose, an eyelid, and lips. Doctors removed her eyes due to an infection, and only recently did she learn she'll no longer be able to see.
"Only . . . in the past couple of weeks did she realize that she no longer had eyes, because she had been saying that she was hoping to be able to see at some point," Oprah said, according to the New York Post.
Nash now walks around her Cleveland hospital — from which she might be released soon — in a veil.
She says she wears the veil "so I don't scare people. And sometimes other people might insult you."
Damn.
They can't do some damn plastic surgery???!!
I think they have to stabilize the condition of her face before that. Good Fng Gawd. That is some horrific shit.
“It is the confession, not the priest, that gives us absolution”
Oscar Wilde
I question whether I'd want to survive such an attack... I still don't know. It's mindboggling.
Wow. Just wow. Isn't it amazing what a person can actually go through and still survive? I will never go near another chimp again! (well it's not like I ever go near them now but you know what I mean.) I know I said I kinda wanted to see a picture of this lady in a previous post, but I take it back.
I think she sued the lady and becasue she also worked for her has a Workers' Comp case too. I can't recall all of it, but I think there was restrictions on owning the animal at least on the town level, but she was exempted for some reason. I don't remember if it was that she had the chimp before the rule or because the chimp worked on t.v. or something.
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There is no amount of money on earth that could possibly make up for what has happened to this woman.
I feel deeply for her.
I don't think I would want to survive that.
That woman is stronger than I think I could ever be, she said she is not angry or bitter...I can't imagine what she is and will go through...
Chimp attack victim Charla Nash hopes for a face transplant
November 17th, 2009 - 12:52 am ICT by Aishwarya Bhatt Tell a Friend -
Charla Nash chimp attack Chicago, Nov 16 (THAINDIAN NEWS) The chimp attack victim Charla Nash can only hope to lead a normal life as a self-dependent individual if she is able to get a face transplant, according to her doctors who are treating her. Right now she has lost the use of her limbs, is blind, can’t breathe through her nose and drinks her meals through a straw.
Charla Nash was a normal employed mother and wife living her normal life when a chimp attack in her employer’s house Sandra changed her live forever and made it completely topsy-turvy. The working independent woman has now been reduced to a blind lady who is dependant on the doctors, nurses and her other family members for her each and every daily need. The 200-pound animal mauled her and even started eating her in a brutal 12-minute attack. And needless to say, this turned her life upside down completely.
Earlier in the year, her family has filed a $50 million lawsuit against the chimp’s owner Sandra Herold. The $50-million lawsuit alleges that Sandra Herold “possessed a wild animal which she knew had exhibited aggressive behavior to one or more other persons and failed to take sufficient actions to safeguard third parties from the wild animal” and accuses her of in effect causing the brutal 12 minute attack that changed Charla Nash’s life forever, through her own negligence.
“These animals are wild, wild animals and have no business being in anyone’s home,” said attorney Charles Willinger, whose firm is representing Nash along with the Long Island firm Kramer, Feldman and Monaco. “This is a dangerous animal and we believe Ms. Herold is liable as a matter of strict liability.”
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/...100275698.html
State of CT is not pressing charges...A Connecticut prosecutor does not plan to charge the owner of a chimpanzee that mauled and blinded a woman in February, according to a person with direct knowledge of the investigation.
State’s Attorney David Cohen refused to comment ahead of a news conference scheduled for Monday afternoon, but the person with knowledge of the investigation said no charges are planned against Sandra Herold, of Stamford.
The person was not authorized to speak publicly before the news conference and talked on condition of anonymity.
The 200-pound chimpanzee went berserk after Herold asked a friend, Charla Nash, to help lure him back into her house. The chimp ripped off Nash’s hands, nose, lips and eyelids.
Nash revealed her heavily disfigured face last month on “The Oprah Winfrey Show.”
Nash’s family is suing Herold for $50 million and wants to sue the state for $150 million. Nash’s family has said Herold was negligent and reckless for lacking the ability to control “a wild animal with violent propensities.”
A biologist for the state Department of Environmental Protection warned officials before the attack that Travis could seriously hurt someone if he felt threatened, noting that he was large and strong.
Herold's lawyer, Robert Golger, told the Hartford Courant on Monday that he had "no advance knowledge either way about whether the state intends to pursue criminal charges." But Golger added that the chimp was "lawfully owned by Herold and she broke no laws in the care and custody" of the animal.
Golger said "there was no prohibition at the time against owning" the chimp when Herold first got him. The chimp was later exempted from permit requirements, Golger said.
The state Legislature in June added gorillas, chimpanzees and orangutans to the list of animals that can't be privately owned in Connecticut.
Golger in the past has called the attack work-related and said the Nash family’s case should be treated like a workers’ compensation claim. The strategy, if successful, would limit potential damages in the case and insulate the chimp owner from personal liability.
Test results showed that Travis had the anti-anxiety drug Xanax in his system.
The animal, which was shot and killed by police, had also escaped in 2003 from his owner’s car and led police on a chase for hours in downtown Stamford. No one was injured.
Records obtained by The Associated Press through an open-records request show the state began receiving warnings immediately after that event.
Nash’s attorney has said the environmental department had information for at least five years that would have allowed the agency to remove Travis from the home.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34314438/ns/us_news-life/
Chimp's owner won't face charges in attack
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By Oren Dorell, USA TODAY
A woman who was mauled and blinded by a friend's chimpanzee is "at peace" with a Connecticut prosecutor's decision to file no criminal charges against the animal's owner, the victim's lawyer says.
State's attorney David Cohen said Monday there is no evidence that Sandra Herold of Stamford knew of the danger that her chimpanzee posed and disregarded the risk.
The 200-pound primate went berserk in February after Herold asked Charla Nash to help her lure the animal back into her house. The chimp, named Travis, attacked Nash, ripping off her hands, nose, lips and eyelids.
"Charla has said openly that she harbors no ill will toward Ms. Herold," said Bill Monaco, a lawyer for Nash and her family. "Her focus is on what is the next step. And going back to the incident or wishing for prosecution is a step in the opposite direction."
Cohen said there was no record of Travis attacking anyone previously and that he had interacted with Nash many times before the attack.
A state Department of Environmental Protection biologist had warned officials that Travis could hurt someone if he felt threatened, but Cohen said there is no evidence those concerns were conveyed to Herold.
The chimp, which was shot and killed by police, had escaped from his owner's car in 2003 and led police on a chase for hours. No one was injured.
April Truitt of the Primate Rescue Center in Kentucky said she and operators of other primate sanctuaries contacted Herold after the escape to suggest Travis be put in one of their facilities "before he hurts somebody."
"She flatly rejected us," Truitt said. "It seems that the findings are that ignorance is indeed an excuse."
Herold's lawyer, Bob Golger, said: "The events that occurred were unforeseeable. … It was an accident."
Nash's attorneys have filed a $50 million lawsuit against Herold and have served notice of their intent to sue the state for $150 million.
Nash is a candidate for a face and hands transplant and will need constant care for the rest of her life at "astronomical" cost, Monaco said.
Doctors are preparing to move her to a facility where she'll learn to live with her handicaps. Her multiple injuries make the challenge especially difficult, Monaco said.
"Most folks with blindness have hands to help them," he said. "Most folks with prosthetics have eyes to help them deal with the prosthetics.
"She's just a remarkable person of resolve. If anyone can do it she can."
Contributing: The Associated Press
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...07-Chimp_N.htm
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"I am nothing without my exotic pet."
“It is the confession, not the priest, that gives us absolution”
Oscar Wilde
Hmmm, most places are holding dog owners responsible for their pets' transgressions, why is it any different with a chimp!?
NEW HAVEN, Conn. — An Ohio hospital has told the family of a Connecticut woman mauled and blinded by a chimpanzee a year ago that it cannot perform a face and hand transplant for her, a family attorney said Monday.
Charla Nash's family is looking into alternative facilities after the Cleveland Clinic said it could not do both transplants, attorney Bill Monaco told The Associated Press on Monday. He said the transplants have to be done simultaneously and come from the same donor.The clinic does not believe it has the capability to do the hand transplant surgery, Monaco said. He said it has not ruled out the possibility of some type of collaboration with another hospital.
Nash's family is researching the possibilities of the transplants at a few other hospitals in the United States and one in Canada, Monaco said.
"It will significantly improve her quality of life," Monaco said.
A face transplant would help Nash smell, breath and eat, while a hand transplant would help her be more independent, Monaco said. Nash has great difficulty eating and mostly uses a straw, he said.
Even if Nash was declared a candidate for the transplants, the surgery would not be done for years, Monaco said.Even though I think her lawsuit against the state is ridiculous I still feel bad for this woman.Nash, who revealed her heavily disfigured face in November on "The Oprah Winfrey Show," has been at the Cleveland Clinic since soon after the attack. She expects to be discharged soon to an undetermined facility for rehabilitation, Monaco said.
Nash's family is suing Herold for $50 million and wants to sue the state for $150 million. Nash's family has said Herold was negligent and reckless for lacking the ability to control "a wild animal with violent propensities."
Herold's attorney has called the attack work-related — Nash worked for Herold and the animal played a promotional role in Herold's tow-truck business — and said her family's case should be treated like a workers' compensation claim. The strategy, if successful, would limit potential damages and insulate Herold from personal liability.
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Remember??? Travis the chimp ate this poor woman's face a few years ago. Oprah had the big reveal a year later. Well, things are moving quickly and she got a full face transplant including sinus cavity and palate!! The biggest most complicated surgery to date! Though blind, she will be able to smell and taste food once again. They gave her hands, too.....but they didn't 'take' and had to be removed again.
I'm so happy she did not have to wait ,long!!
More than two years after a chimpanzee mauled her, Charla Nash will once again be able to eat solid foods and regain her sense of smell thanks to a full face transplant, doctors at Boston's Brigham and Women's Hospital said Friday.
"I am happy to report that the team has achieved tremendous success," said Dr. Elof Eriksson, chief of the Division of Plastic Surgery.
Surgeons also transplanted two hands to Nash, but they didn't thrive and were removed.
In February 2009, Sandra Herold had called her friend Nash for help in getting her pet chimpanzee Travis back inside her house after he used a key to escape. When Nash arrived, the chimp, who had been featured in TV commercials for Coca-Cola and Old Navy, jumped on her and began biting and mauling her, causing serious injuries to her face, neck and hands.
Police shot Travis to halt the attack and he later died of gunshot wounds.
But doctors see Nash as more than an animal attack victim.
"To us, Charla is a courageous, strong person. (She) inspired the team to do everything possible, using our collective expertise, to restore her quality of life," Plastic Surgeon Director Dr. Bohdan Pomahac said.
Nash's face transplant, which was performed last month, was different from the others done before because of the extent of damage to it, the doctors said.
Nash had lost her nose, upper jaw, most of the soft tissue on her face, and both upper and lower lips. She was also left blind.
The surgery involved removing some tissue and attaching skin and underlying muscle, based on vessels and nerves that provide motor and sensory functions, Pomahac said. The entire hard palate and teeth were also transplanted.
The result was "miraculous," said Nash's brother, Steve.
The thing Nash is most looking forward to, her brother said, was to visiting their favorite hot dog stand.
As for the double hand transplant, doctors successfully attached the new hands, but a few days later Nash became sick and her blood pressure fell, causing circulation problems to the new limbs. After a few days, doctors saw that the hands were not thriving and removed them.
In the next three months, Nash will regain sensation to her face, and in six to nine months will be able to smile, control her lips and otherwise make facial expressions, Pomahac said.
"All these things will gradually improve," he said.
Nash skipped her son's high school graduation because she was afraid of taking away from the occassion, but thanks to the transplant, can look forward to being present for his college graduation, Pomahac said.
The surgery will give her a chance to have a more normal social life, he said.
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Woman mauled by chimp gets a new face
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/11/mas....html?iref=NS1
"I will have lips and will speak clearly once again. I will be able to kiss and hug loved ones," Charla Nash said of her new face.
Full story at link
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http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...ors&id=8560272Charla Nash has sat down only with reporter Sarah Wallace for a very personal interview, talking about her progress now, her challenges, and hopes for the future.
It is simply not in Charla Nash's being to wallow in the past.
She is singularly focused on moving forward, every day, but she's worried about her future, her medical bills, and long term care.
She blames the State of Connecticut, claiming officials knew that Chimpanzee was dangerous but did nothing until it was too late.
There is no room in Charla Nash's world for self-pity.
Every day is training day for the 58-year-old, working with a team of therapists at a rehabilitation facility outside of Boston.
[...]
No matter she is blind; "Charlie" as she likes to be called, has a very clear vision.
"What is your goal for the future?" Wallace asked.
"To be more on my own," Nash said.
"What do you want people to know about you?" Wallace asked.
"I don't want anyone to feel sorry for me. I want to be like everyone else," Nash answered.
For that, she needs hands.
She's now lost them twice.
[...]
"Why do you think you survived?" Wallace asked.
"I ask myself that all the time. I don't think I could have done it myself. I'm sure it was an angel or the Lord himself who helped me," Nash said.
"Do you ever wish you hadn't survived?" Wallace asked.
"No, I'm glad I'm here," Nash replied.
It's been a long road.
She revealed her pre-transplant face on "Oprah", 9 months after the attack.
Last spring, for the first time ever in the U.S., doctors in Boston gave Nash a transplanted donor face and hands.
They later had to remove the donor hands after she developed a life-threatening circulation problem.
Now, she has a single thumb.
"Here, talking to you I feel like my hands are there, and yet when I go there's nothing to touch with," Nash said, "I can feel like my hands are raw to the bone and they ache."
While Nash feels phantom hands, the growing sensation in her new face is real.
"I feel sensation. I don't feel any pain. Once in a while I get a little shock and I'm like, oh, the nerves are regenerating," Nash said.
"Show me what you can feel around your face," Wallace said.
"I can feel my forehead. I can feel my cheeks on the side. I can feel, that's an eyebrow," Nash described, "I can feel the outside but the center like the nose is still numb. I can feel a lot of the outside of my face. More in the center, I don't. I can't feel the nose in the top left."
"Lips?" Wallace asked.
"My top lip, no, but bottom lip, yes," Nash said.
"And he took your scalp?" Wallace asked.
"Yeah, I had nothing there, and it was right to the bone, and his teeth made the holes," Nash said.
Nash says she remembers nothing of the attack, but she does recall becoming increasingly alarmed by the escalating aggression of the 14-year-old chimp that her longtime friend, Sandra Herrold, kept in her home.
Herrold died in 2010.
"I always thought that Travis was going to hurt someone someday but I never thought it would be me," Nash said.
Authorities were well aware of Travis before he mauled Nash, but did nothing, even after he ran amok in downtown, Stamford.
One state employee wrote in a memo: "It was an accident waiting to happen."
Nash is now suing the State of Connecticut for $150 million.
There is a single claims commissioner who will decide if her lawsuit can go forward.
"He can just say I don't think it should go forward and that's it?" Wallace asked.
"That's it, right," said Ara Chekmayan, the Nash family spokesman, "Forget $150 million. Would you for a billion trade the situation for what she's enduring?"
[...]
"One day at a time. That's all you can do," Wallace said.
"I'm glad I'm still here. No regrets," Nash said.
Nash is hoping to get the hand transplant within the next year, but she will need long term care and that's why the decision of the Connecticut Claims Commissioner is so critical.
If he rules against her lawsuit from going forward, she would have to appeal to the state legislature.
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