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    Police in Conn. shoot chimp after it attacks woman

    STAMFORD, Conn. — A 175-pound chimpanzee kept as a pet was shot and killed by a police officer Monday after it attacked a woman visiting its owners' home, leaving her with serious facial injuries, authorities said.

    The injured woman, described by police as in her 50s, was taken to a hospital; her condition and identity were not immediately available. The 15-year-old chimpanzee's owner and two officers also were hurt, though police said the extent of their injuries was not immediately known.

    The Advocate of Stamford reported on its Web site Monday night that the primate's owner called 911 and tried to stop the chimp from attacking the woman by stabbing it with a butcher knife.

    As emergency crews arrived to treat the victim, the chimpanzee - named Travis - revived and opened the door of a police cruiser. The officer inside fired several shots, killing the chimp, The Advocate reported.

    The chimpanzee was well known around Stamford because he rode around in trucks belonging to the towing company operated by his owners.

    In 2003, he escaped from his owners' vehicle in downtown Stamford for two hours. Police then used cookies, macadamia treats and ice cream in an attempt to lure him back into the vehicle, but subdued him only after he became too tired to resist.

    At the time of the 2003 attack, police said the owners told them the chimpanzee was toilet trained, dressed and bathed himself, ate at the table and drank wine from a stemmed glass.
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    ...ate at the table and drank wine from a stemmed glass.
    Maybe he was drunk?

    If they had just arrested him after the 2003 incident, he may have learned his lesson and this wouldn't have occurred. They could have sent him to AA.
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    Police in Conn. shoot chimp after it attacks woman
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    another case of an animal dying because of human stupidity. he was a wild animal, not a child or a pet & i really don't give a shit what they "taught" him to do.

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    The chilling screams of a crazed chimp mauling a Connecticut woman were captured on a 911 tape - along with the animal's owner begging, "Send police with guns!"

    The 15-minute recording captures the bizarre horror of Monday's attack, which left a 55-year-old woman critically injured and the 200-pound ape dead in a hail of police gunfire.

    "Hurry, please! He ripped her face off," the ape's frantic owner, Sandy Herold, 70, is heard telling the dispatcher on the tapes.

    "Listen to me, you have to shoot him."

    The terrifying screeches of Travis the chimpanzee are heard as he mercilessly pounces on Herold's pal, Charla Nash.

    "He killed her!" Herold told the dispatcher. "He ripped her apart. He tried attacking me. How fast can you get here?"

    The dispatcher sounds incredulous as Herold describes how she had to stab the burly ape and only aggravated him.

    "He's eating her," Herold screamed. "Please have them go faster."

    When cops arrived at Herold's Stamford home, she can be heard yelling for them to "Shoot him!"

    Nash was so disfigured that a cop on the scene mistook her for a man, telling the dispatcher, "He's got no face."

    What triggered the normally docile chimp's brutal attack remained unclear. Herold suggested that Travis, who appeared in TV commercials and delighted in sipping wine and surfing the Internet, pounced on Nash because he didn't recognize her.

    "She always wore her hair long and brown," Herold said. "Friday she had her hair done. She cut it blond and fluffy. And she was in a different car."

    Herold added: "He was very protective of me."

    Travis' violence may be linked to a recent bout with Lyme disease, a tick-borne infection that can cause paranoia and mood swings in people, said Stamford police Capt. Richard Conklin.

    Cops say that before Travis went berserk, Herold gave him the anti-anxiety drug Xanax because he was acting up. Herold said he never took the drug.

    Either way, Travis escaped the house and was running around the lawn when Nash arrived with a stuffed Elmo doll to help coax him back inside. Travis set upon her immediately.

    When cops arrived, Travis tore off a police cruiser's side mirror and opened the door, prompting a cornered cop to open fire on the burly ape.

    The bleeding chimp staggered back into the house and died.
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    STAMFORD, Conn. (AP) - The owner of a 200-pound domesticated chimpanzee that went berserk and mauled a Connecticut woman has changed her story on whether she gave the animal the anti-anxiety drug Xanax.

    Sandra Herold told the The Associated Press on Wednesday that she "never, ever" gave the drug to her 14-year-old chimp, Travis. The animal on Monday attacked Herold's friend, 55-year-old Charla Nash, leaving her severely injured.

    Stamford police said Herold told them that she gave Travis Xanax earlier on Monday to calm him because he was agitated. And in an interview aired Wednesday on NBC's "Today" show she said she gave the chimp some Xanax-laced tea "five minutes" before the attack - she even showed a reporter the mug.

    A University of Chicago doctor says the anti-anxiety drug can lead to aggression in people who are unstable to begin with.
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    RIP Travis the chimp

    Chimp attack: 'As I stabbed him to save my friend, he looked at me as if to say, Mom, what did you do?
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    By John Christoffersen
    in Stamford, Connecticut
    THE owner of a 14-stone chimpanzee that was shot dead after mauling a woman in the United States called the incident "a freak thing" yesterday and insisted that her pet was not a "horrible" animal.
    Sandra Herold, 70, told NBC's Today Show that Travis, her 14-year-old chimp, had been like a son to her, despite the fact it nearly killed her friend, Charla Nash, 55, in a frenzied attack on Monday.

    As Travis attacked Ms Nash, his owner frantically stabbed her beloved pet with a butcher's knife and hit him with a shovel.

    "He looked at me like, 'Mom, what did you do?'," Ms Herold told NBC. "It was horrific what happened, and I had to do what I had to do but, still, I'll miss him for the rest of my life."

    Ms Nash remained in a critical condition yesterday, with major injuries to her face and hands. Police are looking into the possibility of criminal charges. A pet owner in Ms Herold's home state, Connecticut, can be held criminally responsible if he or she knew, or should have known, an animal was a danger to others.

    Connecticut law requires anyone who owns a primate heavier than 50lbs to obtain a state permit. But Ms Herold was exempted from the law.

    Dennis Schain, of the state's department of environmental protection, explained: "Given that the family owned Travis before this law was put on the books, and the fact that over the years the animal did not appear to present a public safety risk, their possession of the chimpanzee was allowed to continue."

    Ms Herold, a widow whose daughter died in a car accident several years ago, said

    Travis "couldn't have been more my son than if I gave birth to him", and she rejected claims chimpanzees were inappropriate pets.

    "It's a horrible thing, but I'm not a horrible person and he's not a horrible chimp," she said.

    Police said Travis, who appeared in TV commercials when he was younger, had been agitated earlier on Monday and that Ms Herold had given him the anti-anxiety drug Xanax in some tea. Police said the drug had not been prescribed for the chimp.

    In humans, Xanax can cause memory loss, lack of co-ordination, reduced sex drive and other side-effects.

    Dr Emil Coccaro, the head of psychiatry at the University of Chicago Medical Centre, said it could also lead to aggression in people who were unstable to begin with. He said if human studies were any indication, "Xanax could have made him worse".

    Investigators said they were also told Travis had Lyme disease, a tick-borne illness with flu-like symptoms that can lead to arthritis and meningitis in humans.

    Ms Nash had gone to her friend's home in Stamford on Monday to help her coax the chimp back into the house after he got out. After the animal attacked Ms Nash when she got out of her car, Ms Herold ran to get the knife and stabbed him.

    Travis ran away and started roaming Ms Herold's property until police arrived. He then went after several of the officers, one of whom shot Travis several times after the chimp opened the door to his police car and started to get in.

    When I heard this I couldn't help but cry for this animal, I wish people would realize that these animals are not meant to be raised as children.
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    I read this story this morning before I had coffee, I thought I was hallucinating, it is so sad and surreal.
    Apparently it was eating the friends hands and had pulled her face off

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    This one is already being discussed over in "Strange but true"...
    http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/s...ghlight=travis

    Hopefully a mod will merge it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by horsegirl View Post
    I read this story this morning before I had coffee, I thought I was hallucinating, it is so sad and surreal.
    Apparently it was eating the friends hands and had pulled her face off
    It is absolutly horrible, I feel so bad for the woman, she will never be the same physically or emotionally, you would think they would have had something other than xanax to calm this animal, totally outrageous, the owner should be charged, she should have known better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota_Valkyrie View Post
    This one is already being discussed over in "Strange but true"...
    http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/s...ghlight=travis

    Hopefully a mod will merge it.

    Good find on the video, POID!
    thank you Dakota, I looked and couldn't find it..

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    Ya know? I am torn on this one....On the one hand I have always had this total fascination with monkeys, chimps and GOrillas, and have thought it would be kind neat to own a chimp, but then on the other incidents like this kinda make you step back and say not so much.

    I feel horrible for the woman.

    I really do. But a monkey on Xanax? The jokes are endless....

    I keep hearing Lyme Disease as a possibility but unless they do an Autopsy, -which I think they should- We will never know.

    Another theory is that he just wanted to go for a ride....Why didn't she just take him for a spin? Perhaps that would have calmed him down?

    Hind sight is 20/20....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJCheaney View Post
    Another theory is that he just wanted to go for a ride....Why didn't she just take him for a spin? Perhaps that would have calmed him down?
    I have to agree with Mike on this one. The chimp could have been bored out of his mind and needed some stimulation. I know certain breeds of Dogs get board and act out. The german shepard being one of those breeds.
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    This one hurts me on so many levels...yet again, an animal pays the ultimate price for a human's stupidity. An animal who trusted was betrayed by an idiotic woman whom I feel NO sympathy whatsoever for. My heart hurts for Travis and the woman he mauled. Hence being torn and hurting over this one. Chimps are the most aggressive and mean tempered of the primates. They are the sneakiest as well. Cute while young, but once grown? Hell NO would I ever want one, I would rather have a full grown male Gorilla before I would a chimp. EVER. And secondly, these are still wild animals, and while they may love the person who raises them, all it takes is a split second for them to revert to their wildness and they really can't be blamed. It is folly to own an exotic like this unless you are a professional such as a trainer, zoo vet, or sanctuary owner.

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    Sarabei, i'd thank you a thousand times if i could! these are wild animals not pets, not now, not ever. it's human ego that lets these people think that they are "different" & the animals will "never" turn on them. it's always the animals that pay.

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    Okay you guys are gonna think I'm crazy but I'm thinking this woman had a closer than normal relationship with Travis, Just the way she talks about him and even said she slept with Travis, I don't know, something tells me this chimp was her man, she does look fucked up to me, sorry had to throw that out there.

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    Chimp's Victim Moved To Face-Transplant Clinic

    A Connecticut woman critically injured this week by a rampaging chimpanzee has been transferred to the Cleveland Clinic, a reconstructive surgery center that two months ago performed the nation's first face transplant.

    Hospital spokeswoman Eileen Shiel said 55-year-old Charla Nash is being treated for trauma to her face and lower extremities.

    Officials at Stamford Hospital said, "Charla Nash remains in critical, but stable condition. At this time, she has been transferred to another health care facility for further treatment."

    Stamford police said Herold had called Nash to her Rockrimmon Road home Monday afternoon to help her calm the chimp. She told police that the chimp, named Travis, had been rambunctious all day, and that he had taken her keys and let himself outside.

    Travis mauled Nash as she exited her vehicle, police said. Officials estimated that the attack lasted for 12 minutes.

    Dr. Kevin Miller said Nash suffered extensive facial and bilateral hand injuries during the attack. He said stabilizing her condition took more than seven hours of surgery.

    Officials said Nash arrived at the Cleveland Clinic at about 4 p.m. Thursday by private jet. She is being monitored in the Intensive Care Unit where she remains in critical condition.

    The Cleveland Clinic, founded in 1921 in Cleveland, Ohio, performed the face transplant about two months ago. Doctors said the procedure took about 22 hours to complete.
    According to a hospital press release, the doctors who performed the groundbreaking surgery replaced the woman's entire face, except for upper eyelids, forehead, lower lip and chin.

    In the press release, the clinic called the surgery performed two months ago the "largest and most complex face transplant in the world, integrating different functional components, such as nose and lower eyelids, as well as different tissue types, including skin, muscles, bony structures, arteries, veins and nerves."

    "As a physician, one of the most rewarding things we can do is to restore the quality of life to a patient," Dr. Maria Siemionow, who led the face transplant team two months ago, said in the press release. "Patients with facial disfigurement have very difficult challenges in society. We hope that one day we may be able to help the tens of thousands of patients who are quietly suffering."

    U.S. News & World Report named the nonprofit clinic one of the nation's best hospitals in its annual "America's Best Hospitals" survey numerous times.

    In her 911 call during the attack, Herold is heard telling the dispatcher that Travis was ripping Nash apart.

    "He's killing my friend," Herold said in the call. "My chimpanzee! He ripped her apart. Shoot him, shoot him! He's killing my girlfriend."

    Travis was shot and killed by responding officers.

    Stamford Animal Control Officer Lynn DellaBianca said Thursday that she warned Herold in 2003 after Travis had escaped her vehicle and frolicked in downtown Stamford traffic for several hours.

    DellaBianca, who ran Stamford's animal shelter at the time of the 2003 incident, said Thursday that she warned Herold that the pet's mischievous behavior was worrisome and that she needed to make sure he was kept under control.

    "Certainly my concern was for public safety," DellaBianca said. "Male chimpanzees once they reach maturity can be aggressive. I'm sure I did express that to her."

    Herold said she knew she would eventually have to give up the chimp, DellaBianca said.
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    New law: Humans should not be allowed to own animals that are more intelligent than they are. Xanax to an ape? Are you retarded? Don't answer that, I know the answer. I'd be suing the fuck out of this broad.

    Then again, I suppose that law would apply to most breeds of dogs, birds and in some scenarios...cats as well.

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    Responding Medics Detail Chimp Attack
    Worker Likens Injuries To Machine-Type Accident


    Her hands looked like they were wrecked by a machine. Eyes wounded, hair yanked out. Face and scalp injuries so extensive, all the blood obscured whatever parts were left.

    Two of the first medical workers to treat the woman mauled by a chimpanzee in Connecticut this week described her nightmarish injuries Thursday as she was transferred to the Cleveland hospital that performed the nation's first face transplant.

    One of the workers, Bill Ackley, said it was a "miracle" that three days after the attack Charla Nash would be taken to the Cleveland Clinic, which specializes in reconstructive surgery.

    "It was amazing to us she had these type of injuries and they were survivable," Ackley said.

    Medical workers found Nash, completely unrecognizable, face down Monday in friend Sandra Herold's driveway. The first police officers on the scene couldn't tell if the body was male or female, and can be heard warning dispatchers that the victim's face was ripped away.

    Nash's attacker, a 14-year-old, 200-pound chimpanzee named Travis, had already been shot by police but was still roaming nearby, temporarily out of sight.

    "This was a beast taken out of his element and put into our world," Ackley said. "What he did was essentially what they do in the jungle."

    Ackley, a captain with Stamford's emergency medical services, and medic Matt Groves were among the first to tend to Nash. Police formed a perimeter around them with their guns drawn in case the chimp came back.

    Blood was everywhere. Groves confirmed she was alive by checking her breathing.

    The medics rolled Nash onto a stretcher and strapped her in. They stanched the bleeding with gauze.

    Nash's hands were horribly disfigured, but still attached to her wrists.

    "I would liken it to a machine-type accident," Ackley said. "She had some crushing injuries to her hands and some tearing injuries to her hands."

    Her head injuries "involved her entire face and scalp," Ackley said. Nash's eyes were injured, but Ackley would not say how extensively. Her hair had been ripped out.

    "She just had disfiguring injuries," he said. "Her nose was still there. There was some disfigurement. She did have injuries to her mouth that caused quite a bit of bleeding. It was very difficult to determine where everything was because of the blood."

    Nash did not talk, but was conscious. She was able to respond to requests to move her foot.

    No one talked, but Ackley couldn't help wondering as he worked if Travis would return. He had seen the chimp around town and knew how big he was.

    Travis didn't come back. Fatally shot by a police officer, he retreated to Herold's home and died. Why he attacked remains a mystery.

    Medics rushed Nash to Stamford Hospital, where four teams of surgeons operated for more than seven hours to stabilize the 55-year-old Stamford resident. She was transferred Thursday to the Cleveland Clinic, which two months ago performed the first face transplant in the U.S.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brokenandtwisted View Post
    New law: Humans should not be allowed to own animals that are more intelligent than they are. Xanax to an ape? Are you retarded? Don't answer that, I know the answer. I'd be suing the fuck out of this broad.

    Then again, I suppose that law would apply to most breeds of dogs, birds and in some scenarios...cats as well.

    i actually have a bumper sticker that says "in order to own a german shepherd, you have to be smarter than your dog". it's next to my "real men have their own balls, neuter your dog" sticker!

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    STAMFORD -- Stamford police say they are taking their time before deciding whether the woman who raised a chimpanzee that mauled her friend on Monday will face criminal charges.

    It remains unclear what charges 70-year-old Sandra Herold could face in the attack at her North Stamford home by her 14-year-old, 200-pound pet named Travis.

    But the day after the victim, 55-year-old Charla Nash, was transferred to an Ohio hospital famous for a facial transplant, police continued to look into prescription antidepressant Xanax and its role in the case. They say Herold admitted in her first statements after the attack that she gave Travis the drug to calm him before Nash arrived at her Rockrimmon Road house.

    Herold called Nash to help bring the chimpanzee back inside after he had let himself out, police have said. When Nash arrived, he attacked her, ripping off most of her face and damaging her hands, according to 911 tapes and doctors' reports.

    Herold speculated that Travis was being protective of her and attacked Nash because she had a different hairstyle, was driving a different car and held a stuffed toy in front of her face to get the chimp's attention.

    Herold later said she did not give Xanax to Travis. It is not clear whether giving the animal the drug is a crime, nor whether it sparked the attack.

    But the administration of the drug, if not itself a crime, is part of what the courts would have to investigate in determining whether
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    Herold is responsible for the attack by either acting recklessly or negligently, said Linda Meyer, a law professor at Quinnipiac University School of Law.

    A charge such as reckless endangerment, for example, requires that someone "recklessly engages in conduct which creates a risk of physical injury to another person," according to state statute.

    "One could hold her responsible for being negligent in causing this attack if she had some notice the chimp was not in her control or if there's something she could have done that she didn't do," Meyer said.

    Most animal attack cases involve dogs, she said. A 2001 case in which two dogs attacked and killed a woman in a San Francisco apartment building led to a second-degree murder conviction for one owner, Marjorie Knoller, 53. Her husband, who was not at home when the dogs attacked, was convicted of involuntary manslaughter.

    "If you are reckless, that is . . . you're aware of a risk and ignore a risk, and your animal causes death, that's manslaughter," Meyer said. "Recklessness or risk can get you to manslaughter pretty quickly."

    There is no ban on keeping primates as pets, and the state Department of Environmental Protection granted Herold a special exemption to keep the pet after a 2004 law change required primate owners to apply for agency approval.

    DEP officials have said they determined at the time there was no evidence of a compelling public safety risk.

    "We felt the animal had appropriate care and, again, there's a responsibility there that goes directly to the owner of the animal," said Edward Parker, chief of the state DEP's natural resources bureau.

    The special exception may complicate potential charges, Meyer said.

    "The state really knew that she was keeping the chimp, and they really didn't seem to have a problem with it," she said.

    Bill Monaco, an attorney representing Nash's family, said Friday it's too soon to comment on the possibility of a lawsuit.

    "Basically she has made some progress," Monaco said. "The fact that she was even able to be transferred is good news. I don't believe they would have transferred her there if she was fighting for her life."

    A lawsuit is "virtually certain" if Herold has assets, said Fordham University law professor Jim Cohen. He predicted a lawsuit would be successful against Herold, who owns a tow truck business.

    "She was on notice that this chimpanzee was, over the course of time, getting crankier and crankier, getting less controllable, and she didn't do anything about it," Cohen said.

    Monday's attack was not the first time Travis bit someone, although it was the most serious incident. Two people said this week that Travis bit their fingers in 1996 and 1998, once hard enough to draw blood.

    Police say they have no record of any complaints about Travis, aside from a 2003 incident in which the chimp escaped from a vehicle and led Stamford police on a two-hour downtown chase before he was caught.

    Herold's neighbor, Jessica Peterson, said Friday that she believed the state should have taken action against Herold years ago. She said she wasn't told when she moved into the house in 2005 with infant twins that Herold owned a chimp.

    "I can't imagine what would have happened on a different day," Peterson said. "It makes me ill to think about it."

    Should Nash and her family sue, the question of negligence does not matter if the courts determine the chimpanzee was a wild animal, instead of a domesticated one, said Robert Ellickson, a law professor at Yale Law School.

    Ellickson said he was aware of only one chimpanzee attack case in Florida in 1972.

    "That court held that it was a wild animal," he said. "If an animal is wild, in most jurisdictions, there's strict liability."

    That would make an owner responsible unless there is evidence the victim did something to provoke the animal, he said.

    He also said that even if Nash knew Travis was rambunctious that day, as has been reported, it does not necessarily mean that she took a reasonable assumption of risk.

    "This was a traditionally tame and good-natured chimp," he said.

    Herold, who did not return a call seeking comment, has not said whether she has an insurance policy to cover such an attack.

    "This is a case where, if I was the insurance policy for the homeowner and my policy covered this, I would be looking to settle," Ellickson said.

    Nash's family has not announced plans to sue.

    "When you have a case like this, a civil lawsuit is bound to follow such a horrific attack," said Darnell Crosland, an attorney in Stamford who said he believed the strict liability law should apply in this case.

    He said U.K. law requires owners of wild animals to be licensed and maintain a liability insurance policy.

    "The law of liability may be gray in this state, but not so gray in other states and places around the world," he said.

    Meyer said she is not sure the courts will have to determine any of these questions.

    "I'm not sure that I would prosecute this case necessarily," she said. "I'm not sure I would sue. It's just a terrible tragedy."

    Meanwhile, Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal has called the state's laws regulating exotic animals unclear.

    "What's really needed is a ban, which the legislature could enact, or the (DEP) commissioner could do by regulation," he said.
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    STAMFORD -- Her hands looked like they were wrecked by a machine. Eyes wounded, hair yanked out. Face and scalp injuries so extensive, all the blood obscured whatever parts were left.

    Two of the first medical workers to treat the woman mauled by a chimpanzee in Connecticut this week described her nightmarish injuries Thursday as she was transferred to the Cleveland hospital that performed the nation's first face transplant.

    One of the workers, Bill Ackley, told The Associated Press it was a "miracle" that three days after the attack Charla Nash would be taken to the Cleveland Clinic, which specializes in reconstructive surgery.

    "It was amazing to us she had these type of injuries and they were survivable," Ackley said.

    Medical workers found Nash, completely unrecognizable, face down Monday in friend Sandra Herold's driveway. The first police officers on the scene couldn't tell if the body was male or female, and warned dispatchers that the victim's face was ripped away.

    Nash's attacker, a 14-year-old, 200-pound chimpanzee named Travis, had already been shot by police but was still roaming nearby, temporarily out of sight.

    "This was a beast taken out of his element and put into our world," Ackley said. "What he did was essentially what they do in the jungle."

    Ackley, a captain with Stamford's emergency medical services, and medic Matt Groves were among the first to tend to Nash.
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    Police formed a perimeter around them with their guns drawn in case the chimp came back.

    Blood was everywhere. Groves confirmed she was alive by checking her breathing.

    "You ready?" Groves said. "One, two three."

    The medics rolled Nash onto a stretcher and strapped her in. They stanched the bleeding with gauze.

    Nash's hands were horribly disfigured, but still attached to her wrists.

    "I would liken it to a machine-type accident," Ackley said. "She had some crushing injuries to her hands and some tearing injuries to her hands."

    Her head injuries "involved her entire face and scalp," Ackley said. Nash's eyes were injured, but Ackley would not say how extensively. Her hair had been ripped out.

    "She just had disfiguring injuries," he said. "Her nose was still there. There was some disfigurement. She did have injuries to her mouth that caused quite a bit of bleeding. It was very difficult to determine where everything was because of the blood."

    Nash did not talk but was conscious. She was able to respond to requests to move her foot.

    No one talked, but Ackley couldn't help wondering as he worked if Travis would return. He had seen the chimp around town and knew how big he was.

    Travis didn't come back. Fatally shot by a police officer, he retreated to Herold's home and died. Why he attacked remains a mystery.

    Medics rushed Nash to Stamford Hospital, where four teams of surgeons operated for more than seven hours to stabilize the 55-year-old Stamford resident. She was transferred Thursday to the Cleveland Clinic, which two months ago performed the first face transplant in the U.S.

    Eileen Sheil, spokeswoman for the Cleveland facility, said Nash is being seen by a head and neck surgeon and likely will be treated through a team approach involving many specialists.

    Sheil said she didn't know if a transplant will be considered. "Priority one is to stabilize her."

    Nash's transfer to Cleveland likely is because of the clinic's expertise in facial reconstruction -- not because doctors are considering a transplant right away, a leading surgeon said.

    "This is a difficult time for the patient and she will need to adjust to it first. All the other options should be discussed first" before something as radical and risky as a transplant is considered, said Dr. Bohdan Pomahac, a reconstructive surgeon at Harvard-affiliated Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston.

    Brigham also has approved plans to offer face transplants, and Pomahac said he has tried to contact doctors involved in Nash's care but has not reached any yet.

    "Often things sort of sound worse than they really are," he said. If any of Nash's face was salvaged, "a lot of the tissues can be returned to where they came from," or repaired with traditional skin grafts or flaps.

    In December, surgeons at the Cleveland Clinic completed the nation's first facial transplant, of an unidentified woman who suffered a traumatic injury several years ago. The injury left her with no nose, palate, or way to eat or breathe normally.

    In a 22-hour procedure, 80 percent of her face was replaced with bone, muscles, nerves, skin and blood vessels from another woman who had just died.

    It was the fourth partial face transplant in the world, though the others were not as extensive. Nor were any done as emergency operations, said Dr. W. P. Andrew Lee, chief of plastic surgery at the University of Pittsburgh.

    "It would be unusual" to perform one so soon for Nash, he said.

    To consider it, doctors must make sure she is medically stable, that alternatives have been carefully considered, and that she truly had given informed consent, because a transplant requires taking anti-rejection drugs lifelong, Lee said.

    That could conceivably be done in a matter of weeks, but "to find a suitable donor with matching skin color and size and other features, that's a practical limitation," he said.

    Cleveland doctors have said it took several months to find a suitable donor for the face transplant Dr. Maria Siemionow performed in December. Siemionow is out of the country at a conference.
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    Okay you guys are gonna think I'm crazy but I'm thinking this woman had a closer than normal relationship with Travis, Just the way she talks about him and even said she slept with Travis, I don't know, something tells me this chimp was her man, she does look fucked up to me, sorry had to throw that out there.
    that is the dumbest thing I've heard.



    I feel bad for everyone involved, sad story.
    I wonder if Nash will forgive her best friend.

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/20/chi...ack/index.html
    A team of doctors at the Cleveland Clinic will spend as much as a week determining how they will treat a woman mauled by a chimpanzee, and whether they will consider offering her a face transplant."It's way too early to tell if she's a candidate for a face transplant," a hospital spokeswoman said Thursday. She said doctors at the clinic would consider that procedure only after ruling out all other options.



    Travis the chimpanzee's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/travischimpanzee





    oh and back in 2005 there was a man who was mauled by a chimp and here's what he looks like now:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in678061.shtml



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    A 175-pound chimpanzee kept as a pet was shot and killed by a police officer Monday after it attacked a woman visiting its owners' home, leaving her with serious facial injuries, authorities said.
    THIS is the problem right here! Was this woman a chimp expert or researcher? Was this woman qualified to own and raise a chimp? What happened to cats and dogs (which can kill ppl)? Or fucking hamsters?

    I mean, I am not one of those ppl that feels animals are humans and equal to humans...and I am not one of those PETA or Save The Rainforest types either. But look what happened to Crocodile Hunter! This dude got killed by a damn fish, a BIG fish...a fucking stingray! And ppl were horrified and surprised?!

    We (humans, ppl in general) should not be fuckin' w/ NATURE! And IF and when we do (humans, ppl in general) we should not be surprised or horrified when and if they attack and possibly kill someone. Period.

    When my family lived in Iran when my Pap was in the service the neighbors gave them a monkey for my aunt as a pet. They kept it for a little while, until the little fucker attacked her, bit her on the face and she still has a scar on her forehead to this day! My pap got home that day and promptly took the monkey out back and shot it. No more wild pets.

    That was probably wrong and he should have let it go? But he felt that it would just get recaptured and made into someone else's pet...

    Regardless, I just feel animals have natural instincts and tendencies, when we take them out of their natural habitats and they behave in UNnatural ways we get crazy about it! It's just crazy and we could go on & on either way on this subject...


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    I think Pissedoff was joking. We tend to post funny when we drinky and not use appropriate smilies.
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    I think Pissedoff was joking. We tend to post funny when we drinky and not use appropriate smilies.
    oh okay, I have just seen other people make the same comments elsewhere and I think it's dumb.

    I mean she did cuddle and bathe with him, but I think she was filling a void in her life. She lost her husband and her daughter, the chimp was all she had. He was a son to her. I think it's incredibly sad, I feel bad for her. I feel bad for the victim as well, it's just a sad story all around.

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    So she was treating him like a child? Hmmm. I feel bad but this is where she fucked up. He is a wild animal, not a child or pet. I don't think Maryhaze could control her passel of doggies if she treated them as equals, or as humans. Someone has to be the leader.

    But whatta I know? I don't have any pets. :(
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nell View Post
    So she was treating him like a child? Hmmm. I feel bad but this is where she fucked up. He is a wild animal, not a child or pet. I don't think Maryhaze could control her passel of doggies if she treated them as equals, or as humans. Someone has to be the leader.

    But whatta I know? I don't have any pets. :(
    yeah I completely agree, I don't think chimps should be a pet in someone's home. But she did have it for 14 years? Still, it is a pretty dangerous way to live.

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    This story once again shows one common fact. Wild animals are NOT pets. No matter how much you think you've bonded with one, bathed, cuddle etc it is still a WILD animal. This woman is just of many over the years that have discovered trying to keep a chimp, tiger, wolf etc as pets won't work. Sooner or later, their wild animal insticts will kick in. And woah be it when they do.

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