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    Octomom: Nadya Suleman Has Octuplets

    Octuplets born in Calif. hospital LOS ANGELES – The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.

    Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.

    "It can't go on any longer," she said in a phone interview Friday. "She's got six children and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage. But she didn't want to get married."

    Nadya Suleman, 33, gave birth Monday in nearby Bellflower. She was expected to remain in the hospital for at least a few more days, and her newborns for at least a month.

    A spokeswoman at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center said the babies were doing well and seven were breathing unassisted.

    While her daughter recovers, Angela Suleman is taking care of the other six children, ages 2 through 7, at the family home in Whittier, about 15 miles east of downtown Los Angeles.

    She said she warned her daughter that when she gets home from the hospital, "I'm going to be gone."

    Angela Suleman said her daughter always had trouble conceiving and underwent in vitro fertilization treatments because her fallopian tubes are "plugged up."

    There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn't want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.

    Her mother and doctors have said the woman was told she had the option to abort some of the embryos and, later, the fetuses. She refused.

    Her mother said she does not believe her daughter will have any more children.

    "She doesn't have any more (frozen embryos), so it's over now," she said. "It has to be."

    Nadya Suleman wanted to have children since she was a teenager, "but luckily she couldn't," her mother said.

    "Instead of becoming a kindergarten teacher or something, she started having them, but not the normal way," he mother said.

    Her daughter's obsession with children caused Angela Suleman considerable stress, so she sought help from a psychologist, who told her to order her daughter out of the house.

    "Maybe she wouldn't have had so many kids then, but she is a grown woman," Angela Suleman said. "I feel responsible and I didn't want to throw her out."

    Yolanda Garcia, 49, of Whittier, said she helped care for Nadya Suleman's autistic son three years ago.

    "From what I could tell back then, she was pretty happy with herself, saying she liked having kids and she wanted 12 kids in all," Garcia told the Long Beach Press-Telegram.

    "She told me that all of her kids were through in vitro, and I said 'Gosh, how can you afford that and go to school at the same time?"' she added. "And she said it's because she got paid for it."

    Garcia said she did not ask for details.

    Nadya Suleman holds a 2006 degree in child and adolescent development from California State University, Fullerton, and as late as last spring she was studying for a master's degree in counseling, college spokeswoman Paula Selleck told the Press-Telegram.

    Her fertility doctor has not been identified. Her mother told the Los Angeles Times all the children came from the same sperm donor but she declined to identify him.

    Birth certificates reviewed by The Associated Press identify a David Solomon as the father for the four oldest children. Certificates for the other children were not immediately available.

    The news that the octuplets' mother already had six children sparked an ethical debate. Some medical experts were disturbed to hear that she was offered fertility treatment, and troubled by the possibility that she was implanted with so many embryos.

    Others worried that she would be overwhelmed trying to raise so many children and would end up relying on public support.

    The eight babies — six boys and two girls — were delivered by Cesarean section weighing between 1 pound, 8 ounces and 3 pounds, 4 ounces. Forty-six physicians and staff assisted in the deliveries.


    This is ridiculous!! IMO, this woman should not have had invitro, she already 6 kids, I thought invitro is for women who have difficulty getting pregnant, and to top it off she can't even support them, 14 kids is outrageous, there should have been some kind of mental counseling here because this woman def has some issues!!

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    Ummm, yeah she should get counseling! I just got pissed when I found out she already had 6 young ones at home. What the hell were the doctors thinking doing this??

    I hope all 14 children will be fine, but the mother and doctors should be jailed for doing this.

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    Single. Living at home. Her mom declared bankruptcy last year (due to failed investment property). Her dad is Iraqi and will be returning there to work (he can make more $$ there??)

    IF (and a BIG if) they - as an extended family - can support the kids, keep them healthy and un-abused - I see no reason she should not. It is not something I would do, but there are those that can. Is it ideal? Probably not but I don't know enough specifics.

    My mother-in-law raised 10 kids. When she was pregnant with the last, her husband became disabled and lived the rest of his life in a wheelchair. A disabled daughter died at 15, but all the other kids are successful healthy adults. No drug or alcohol problems, no black sheep jail birds. All farmers, business owners, military, nurses, or computer geeks. Only one to ever divorce was my husband (glad he did!). His family was one of the reasons I married him.

    While I personally find it a bit ridiculous, I would want to know about how she's supporting them, how she's raising them, and a multitude of other things.
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    It's obvious to me that she is a mental case. No reputable doctor should have allowed her to have more children, much less eight additional welfare babies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unamused Cat View Post
    It's obvious to me that she is a mental case. No reputable doctor should have allowed her to have more children, much less eight additional welfare babies.
    I have not found anywhere that it says she was getting government assistance. In fact, they seem to have the financial ability to to do the IV procedures, which I understand are not cheap.

    What the doctor did is apparently not illegal as the state medical boards are not bringing charges or investigating at this point (and so far say they don't intend to). I don't how medical ethics fit into this... but more will come out I am sure.

    Why is wanting a large family a "mental case"? If you can afford it and can mentally and physically do it, why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota_Valkyrie View Post
    I have not found anywhere that it says she was getting government assistance. In fact, they seem to have the financial ability to to do the IV procedures, which I understand are not cheap.

    What the doctor did is apparently not illegal as the state medical boards are not bringing charges or investigating at this point (and so far say they don't intend to). I don't how medical ethics fit into this... but more will come out I am sure.

    Why is wanting a large family a "mental case"? If you can afford it and can mentally and physically do it, why not?
    what I've read is that the family claimed bankruptcy recently and they live in a 1500 sq ft home, that alone tells me quite a bit

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    Single, living with her mother, 14 children under the age of 7 (ohmyfreakin'god), no job (that we've heard of), tiny home, at least 1 special needs child, soon to be homeless - ummm, yeah ---

    What sounds RIGHT about this?

    There is no way in hell she can afford to care for these kids properly. The size home she'd need, the size vehicle, clothing, diapers, formula (she ain't gonna breast feed 8 babies), bath supplies, beds and bedding, food, shoes, car seats, medical care, strollers, swings, playpens, sitters, etc., etc.,.... the list goes on and on until they are (at least) 18.

    If she ain't Oprah (Ms. Moneybags) - I don't see how she'll do it.

    It's totally irresponsible on both her part and the doctor's part.

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    Were all of her other births singles? I just don't know how she will properly take care of just the basic needs of 8 newborns, who have got to have some kind of disabilities. Never mind all 14 of them, just the new ones!! How will she find the time and energy to diaper and feed them all? When will she sleep? Even if she has all the money in the world, which I doubt, she physically cannott do this alone. Since her own mother is bailing I don't think she has a lot of family support.

    She sounds like a nut. This isn't a case of a big family that can take care of its own, this is a crazy woman who collects babies like cats. Poor babies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zibarro View Post
    Single, living with her mother, 14 children under the age of 7 (ohmyfreakin'god), no job (that we've heard of), tiny home, at least 1 special needs child, soon to be homeless - ummm, yeah ---

    What sounds RIGHT about this?

    There is no way in hell she can afford to care for these kids properly. The size home she'd need, the size vehicle, clothing, diapers, formula (she ain't gonna breast feed 8 babies), bath supplies, beds and bedding, food, shoes, car seats, medical care, strollers, swings, playpens, sitters, etc., etc.,.... the list goes on and on until they are (at least) 18.

    If she ain't Oprah (Ms. Moneybags) - I don't see how she'll do it.

    It's totally irresponsible on both her part and the doctor's part.
    you know it, I think she did this on purpose for notoreity and hand outs from companies, which will happen, maybe even a reality show? she claimed bankruptcy for over $980,000, it cost a min of $100,000 to raise 1 child!! she supposedly has some kind of psych degree, but hasn't worked, Ipersonally think she is psycho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota_Valkyrie View Post
    Why is wanting a large family a "mental case"? If you can afford it and can mentally and physically do it, why not?
    I don't think its the large family that makes her the mental case. Its the fact that her 6 kids are aged 2 to 7 and now she has 8 friggin newborns.
    Glutton for punishment?

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    For seven years, beginning in her teens, Nadya Suleman tried to have a baby. She suffered three miscarriages. She tried artificial insemination and fertility drugs, to no avail. By 2000, a back injury and her inability to bear children had sent her into a deep depression in which she told a psychiatrist that she had suicidal thoughts.

    On many days, she did not get out of bed. One doctor asked her what activities she had given up. Her answer: "Everything."

    That same year, she tried in vitro fertilization and became pregnant.

    "And then," she said, "I just kept going in."

    Hundreds of pages of state documents reviewed by The Times and excerpts from her first interview, which was recorded Thursday by NBC News hours after she was released from the hospital, began to sketch a portrait of the 33-year-old Whittier woman who gave birth last week to octuplets.

    Suleman, a single mother who already had six other children and lives with her parents, has come under fierce criticism for giving birth to the octuplets. In her interview with NBC's Ann Curry, she tried to explain why she wanted to have so many children.

    "I just longed for certain connections and attachments with another person that I -- I really lacked, I believe, growing up," Suleman said. "I didn't feel as though, when I was a child, I had much control of my environment. I felt powerless. And that gave me a sense of predictability. I -- reflecting back on my childhood, I know it wasn't functional. It was pretty -- pretty dysfunctional, and whose isn't?"

    Suleman didn't elaborate in the portion of the interview released by NBC (more will be broadcast on "Today" on Monday and on "Dateline NBC" on Tuesday). But she said her childhood made her yearn for many children of her own.

    "That was always a dream of mine, to have a large family, a huge family," she said.

    Considerably more detail is provided in the 332 pages of documents released by the state in response to a public records request by The Times. Those paint a picture of a placid suburban childhood. Suleman herself said she was well-loved and close to her parents.
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    Ok. I rest my case. Who is the IVF physician that decided she was both physically and mentally able to have more children? If just this little bit if information is available to the public, can one even imagine what is hippa-protected about this new mother?

    I saw this tease of an interview this morning. Of course, NBC will drag it out for the "exclusive" as long as possible. Ann Curry questioned her with kid gloves and showed more restraint than I ever could have. The questions had to have been pre-screened by her newly hired publicity firm (spit on them).

    I don't even want to get into the healthcare issues of this whole thing; not just the mother but ALL of the children. The mother's bad back? Her depression issues? And yet it was determined she was a candidate for yet another IVF "experiment" which is what I'm feeling whole charade is/was.

    I worked with a woman about this age who had a couple of IVF's. There was absolutely no way the IVF specialists would've implanted that many embryos. No fucking way. And this young lady was about the same age, good physical and mental history.

    This is not normal. I'll bet this new mother of 14 couldn't have passed an adoption screening (and not just because she's single). Why did I know she was going to say that? She's an attention whore.

    Who does she think she's fucking kidding?

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    This is terrible. Fourteen...un-white babies! This madness must end! Sterilise this bitch, yesterday!

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    Video Peeper mentioned: IT'S DEMENTED!!! http://www.radaronline.com/exclusive...y-life-my-kids

    Octuplets mother Nadya Suleman told an online celebrity website that she wants her children to have a father in their lives but that the man was upset and resentful when he heard about her pregnancy.

    "I want to apologize to him, but I feel like he resents me," she said.

    Suleman, who gave birth to eight children in January after undergoing fertility treatment, has not identified the sperm donor and has said in the past that she feels judged by the public for being a single mother.

    In an interview with Radar Online, she said she used sperm from the unidentified donor to have her first six children. He did not know she had additional embryos and was "upset" when he found out she was pregnant with eight more babies, Radar said.

    "That was my problem. That was my choice. That was my stupidity," she said. "I went behind his back and used them all. He didn't want me to. I feel so much guilt for that."

    I screwed myself. I screwed up my life. I screwed up my kids' lives,” she added in the video.
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    I am astounded. This is disgusting. She wants the kids to have a FATHER??? Shouldn't she have thought of that FIRST??? Life is NOT the Maury Show.

    She will not have any kids soon. She's losing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota Valkyrie View Post
    She will not have any kids soon. She's losing it.
    Let's all hope that statement comes true. They deserve to be loved, not regretted.

    Selfish and narcissistic spoiled rotten little bitch.

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    OMFG!
    Octuplet mother Nadya Suleman has signed agreements for each of her 14 children to earn $250 a day to star in a reality television show.

    The contracts filed Friday in Los Angeles Superior Court guarantee the children will collectively earn about $250,000 over three years. The contracts require a judge's approval.

    European production company Eyeworks has inked the deal with Suleman. Eyeworks lists "Breaking Bonaduce" and "The Biggest Loser" among its television credits.
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    Details: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090725/...s/us_octuplets

    Sadly, folks will watch. I hope it's boring... although life with that many kids could not possibly be.
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    Octuplet mother Nadya Suleman has signed agreements for each of her 14 children to earn $250 a day to star in a reality television show.
    Gee, I wonder how much the Ghost is going to collect.

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    Octomom; I can't rule out more kids

    NEW YORK (AP) -- Octuplets mother Nadya Suleman says she doesn't plan on having more children unless she gets married someday "far" in the future. She says if that ever happens, she would only have one child.
    Widely known as "Octomom," Suleman has six older children. She appeared Wednesday on ABC's daytime talk show "The View," where she has been a frequent topic of debate.
    Suleman's octuplets celebrated their first birthday in January.
    All of her children were conceived by in vitro fertilization, and she has been criticized for having a huge family as a single mother on public assistance.
    She says her children are her priority and she is looking into various opportunities, including writing a book, to support them.
    "If someday far, far, far, far in the future, when they're older, if I meet somebody. ... I'm not going to say 100 percent 'no,'" Suleman said when asked if she planned to have more children. "I'm not going to say someday far in the future (I will) get married and want a baby with that person."
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    You should have been spayed after the last litter........

    Can't rule out more kids?! Have you lost your mind????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJCheaney View Post
    You should have been spayed after the last litter........

    Can't rule out more kids?! Have you lost your mind????????
    No ..
    She was a brainless bitch before she had the last litter a year ago ..

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    All of a sudden she's either "fertile" or agreeable to a selective reduction?
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    'Octomom' May Lose Home To Foreclosure
    LA HABRA, Calif. --
    Octuplets mom Nadya Suleman could be kicked out of her Southern California home.

    Mortgage holder Amer Haddadin says he is starting foreclosure proceedings on the $565,000 La Habra residence because the family hasn't kept up the payments.
    [...]
    Ed Suleman, who leased the home to his daughter, was supposed to pay about $4,000 a month and a final balloon payment of $450,000 that was due earlier this month.

    Masso says the family was late on recent payments and also missed the balloon payment.

    Calls to the Suleman's attorney, Jeff Czech, weren't immediately returned.
    http://www.kxly.com/news/22890296/detail.html
    Do they have mega family shelters there where she lives???
    I dont give 2 shits about her and I could care less about her but those kids didnt ask to be born to Octopussy,

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    this is all i have to say...[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wujlieYG47s"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wujlieYG47s[/ame]
    where's the Bold Fairy when you need him? I just KNOW you all are pointing & laughing at me in the "point & laugh" thread that I can no longer see!! :(

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    She had a Sperm Daddy. Now she needs a Sugar Daddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakota Valkyrie View Post
    She had a Sperm Daddy. Now she needs a Sugar Daddy.
    correction: sugar daddies...its gonna take a whole lot of sugar for all that!!
    where's the Bold Fairy when you need him? I just KNOW you all are pointing & laughing at me in the "point & laugh" thread that I can no longer see!! :(

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    OctoCunt Needs Money Now SUPRISE!!

    LA HABRA, Calif. -- "Octomom" Nadya Suleman's presumably well-broken-in nursing bra will be among the items up for bid at a planned auction-style yard sale at her Orange County home.

    Saturday morning's auction is being hosted by radio personality David Gonzalez who goes by the name "Tattoo."

    Gonzalez tells the Orange County Register that a bikini Suleman wore on the cover of tabloid magazines and other undergarments will also be available at the sale being held to support her family.

    Suleman's lawyer said this month that her home faces foreclosure and that she's considering going on welfare.

    ___

    Information from: The Orange County Register, http://www.ocregister.com
    http://www.kirotv.com/news/25154810/detail.html

    AWWW!! You mean all that free money she thought was going to be rolling in, for popping out six babies, still hasn't come yet? WTF??

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    That's all I gotta say!

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    The La Habra home where octuplets mother Nayda Suleman lives is now owned by her attorney.

    Suleman faced possible eviction from the home earlier this year when its lienholder said the Suleman family members had fallen behind in their house payments.

    But the Orange County Register reported that property records now show that the home is now owned by Harmony Entertainment, a firm owned by Suleman's attorney, Jeff Czech.
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    her attorney owns it now?? hahaha....wonder how THAT deal came about
    where's the Bold Fairy when you need him? I just KNOW you all are pointing & laughing at me in the "point & laugh" thread that I can no longer see!! :(

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    Lawyer: Doc Implanted 12 Embryos In 'Octomom'
    State Attorney Says Doctor Endangered Nadya Suleman
    LOS ANGELES -- Nadya Suleman's fertility doctor implanted a dozen embryos in the pregnancy that gave her octuplets, a state attorney said Monday, a number that another doctor said was unheard of and surpasses Suleman's assertion that only six embryos were implanted.
    Dr. Michael Kamrava's action endangered the mother and violated national standards of care, Deputy Attorney General Judith Alvarado said at the Medical Board of California's hearing to consider revoking or suspending the Beverly Hills physician's license.
    Kamrava "knew that a 12-embryo transfer was unsafe," Alvarado said in her opening statement. National guidelines issued by the American Society for Reproductive Medicine specify no more than two embryos are to be used in in vitro treatments for a healthy woman under 35. Suleman was 33 at the time of her last treatment.
    [...]
    Dr. Victor Y. Fujimoto, an expert witness for the medical board and director of the University of California San Francisco In Vitro Fertilization Program, testified Monday that 12 embryos, or blastocysts, being transferred into a uterus is unheard of.

    "I cannot imagine any colleague of mine transferring that many embryos," said Fujimoto, adding he had never transferred that many himself.

    High-order multiple births can result in long-term developmental delays, cerebral palsy and various life-threatening ailments.

    There are no hard-and-fast rules, but fertility specialists have criticized Kamrava's methods, saying he endangered Suleman's health and the long-term health of the babies. Suleman's babies, born nine weeks premature in January 2009, are the world's longest-surviving set of octuplets.

    Suleman, a divorced single mother of 14, has said Kamrava implanted her with six embryos for each of her six pregnancies and two of them split when she had octuplets.

    Fujimoto said Suleman, identified as "N.S." by the medical board, actually requested 12 blastocysts to be transferred into her, but it's the physician's job to make a decision not to transfer embryos, even when a patient insists.
    Fujimoto said Kamrava also made an "extreme departure from standard of care" by failing to refer Suleman for a mental health evaluation after she said she wanted twins shortly after delivering her second child.
    "For me it raises a huge red flag," Fujimoto said. "It's a very unique request for twins after having just had a second child."
    Typically, expenses, health concerns or other factors preclude parents who are struggling to conceive from having more than one or two successful in vitro treatments.
    Records obtained by The Associated Press show that before 2001, Suleman was treated with Celexa and Sonata for depression and sleeplessness, and Clonopin for anxiety.
    During cross-examination, Kamrava's lawyer, Henry Fenton, noted that in vitro fertilization is expensive, and asked Fujimoto what a doctor should do if a patient insisted on having a higher number of embryos implanted to better her chances of becoming pregnant.

    Fujimoto said that wouldn't be advisable "because any transfer, on any given day, can result in full implantation of all those embryos," and result in a dangerous multiple birth.

    Monday's testimony also called into question claims Suleman has made in past interviews that she underwent the in vitro treatment that led to the octuplets because she didn't want her frozen embryos to go to waste. Fujimoto testified that she never used frozen embryos and has 29 frozen embryos available.

    Before the octuplets' birth, the unemployed Suleman and her six children lived with her mother, relying on food stamps, school loans and disability payments for her two autistic children to get by.

    More recently, Suleman has tried to use her notoriety for income through the tabloid media, but she struggles to pay rent and is facing a $450,000 balloon payment on her La Habra home.
    Unlike Suleman, Kamrava has kept a low profile and declined repeated requests for interview from The Associated Press. In July, he made a rare appearance in an ABC "Nightline" interview, defending his treatment of Suleman by saying it was "done the right way."
    Though other doctors in the field say they're not impressed with it, Kamrava has long touted a method of in vitro fertilization that implants an embryo - or sometimes sperm with an unfertilized egg - directly into the uterine lining.
    Kamrava suffered a blow to his prestige last year when he was kicked out of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine, which does not have authority to prevent him from practicing medicine.

    The board's accusation says Kamrava was also negligent in his treatment of two other patients.
    He is accused of implanting seven embryos in a 48-year-old patient, resulting in quadruplets, but one fetus died before birth.

    Fujimoto called the number of blastocysts implanted "an extreme departure" from standards of care.
    In another case, Fujimoto said that Kamrava went ahead with in vitro fertilization instead of referring his patient with a history of cancer to a specialist after tests detected atypical cells, which can indicate presence of a tumor.

    The patient was later diagnosed with stage-three cancer by another doctor and had to undergo removal of her uterus and ovaries before undergoing chemotherapy.
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