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    Suicide by multiple stabbing? Cops think Hugues de la Plaza may have.


    Hugues de la Plaza and Melissa Nix, a former girlfriend who has taken the lead in pressing for police to conclude his death was a homicide.
    Early one Saturday morning last June, Hugues de la Plaza was found stabbed to death in his apartment in San Francisco.

    At the time, police couldn't tell whether the 36-year-old sound engineer was killed by an intruder or somehow killed himself. Few people commit suicide by jabbing themselves repeatedly in the chest with a knife, but de la Plaza's door was locked, there were no signs of a struggle, and a security camera mounted outside his apartment saw no one but de la Plaza go through his front door.

    His family and friends say police soon told them they were leaning toward concluding it was suicide. They said investigators speculated that de la Plaza, a dual French and U.S. citizen, had taken drugs that night while at a nightclub, came home and stabbed himself three times with a steak knife.

    No bloody knife was found, but the investigators said de la Plaza could have washed one in the sink after fatally wounding himself.

    To his friends and family, it was an absurd theory. De la Plaza was a social animal who loved life and had just gotten a new position at the educational software company LeapFrog. He had been making plans both for the next day and for several months down the line. Besides, they said, he turned away at the mere sight of blood.

    Then an autopsy found no drugs in de la Plaza's blood and only a modest amount of alcohol. Tests showed no traces of blood on the knife found in the sink. Still, his acquaintances complain, police haven't officially labeled the death a homicide.
    [...]
    Homicide investigators won't talk about de la Plaza's death, referring questions to Gittens, who noted that the case is still open and that police have reached no conclusions.

    Police know this much: When de la Plaza was killed, he had just returned to his Linden Street apartment in Hayes Valley from a Friday night with friends at the Underground SF nightclub.

    Neil Zarama, a co-worker at LeapFrog, said de la Plaza had gone out on a date after work that day and had met up with friends at the club about 10:30 p.m.

    At closing time, de la Plaza told Zarama that he was hoping to get together later with a woman he had met. Zarama said he later learned that the plan had fallen through.
    [...]
    De la Plaza walked the three-quarters of a mile from the club to his home. A surveillance camera mounted on the front of the building showed him going inside alone at 2:06 a.m. But there was a side entrance as well that was not covered by a camera.

    De la Plaza went on his computer and used it until about 2:38 a.m., when police believe he was either stabbed or stabbed himself.

    Wounded, he went outside his apartment, leaving blood on the doorknob and on the landing rail, then went back inside and locked the door, according to police.

    A next-door neighbor reported hearing a commotion but no screaming. The neighbor, Orion Denley, a concierge at a local hotel, said a loud thud had shaken his wall as he was dozing off.
    [...]
    Police were summoned at 8:30 a.m. Saturday after a neighbor saw blood on the stoop. Officers had to break down de la Plaza's locked door.

    Once inside, they found no knife by de la Plaza's side. In fact, while they found plenty of blood, they found no bloody knife. But they saw something they thought might be a remnant of blood on a knife in the sink.

    Their theory was that de la Plaza had washed the knife after stabbing himself, but tests on the blade showed no trace of blood.

    There was no suicide note. On a notepad, however, someone had written two sentences: "Learn as if you were to live forever," and, "Live as if you were to die tomorrow."

    There were no intruder footprints, and the pattern of blood in the apartment did not indicate there had been a struggle, police said.

    The autopsy showed that de la Plaza had been stabbed three times, including once in the neck. The report found no drugs in de la Plaza's blood, only alcohol at a concentration of 0.11 percent, a bit above the legal definition for drunken drivers, 0.08 percent.

    The medical examiner's report said that de la Plaza's injuries were "not inconsistent with self-inflicted stab wounds," but that it was impossible to rule out homicide.
    [...]
    De la Plaza's friends, however, say police didn't do all they could to make that determination.

    Jean-Phillipe Goudet, a French police detective who works in the United States and is based in Los Angeles, was brought in to assist San Francisco police after de la Plaza's family in France went to their government for help.

    Nix said Goudet took some basic investigatory actions that police had failed to perform, such as looking at what de la Plaza was doing on his computer before someone yanked the cord at 2:38 a.m.

    "If not for Goudet, Hugues' laptop would still sit untouched," Nix said in her complaint to the city. "Homicide told Goudet they could not break into it. ... Four months after the murder, Goudet received permission from SFPD to bring two (computer) professionals - on the French government's dime - to break into the drive."

    Nix said she hopes the laptop will provide clues as to whom de la Plaza had been meeting through online dating sites where he was active.

    Goudet also was the first investigator to check de la Plaza's cell phone to determine whether he had sent or received calls or text messages that might help explain how he died, Nix said.

    Police still have not performed DNA tests on the blood found at the apartment to determine whether any came from someone other than de la Plaza, his friends say.

    Goudet would not discuss details of the investigation. He did not fault the police.
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    Full article: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../MN14VEVRK.DTL

    The French connection:
    A French inquiry has declared the 2007 stabbing death of a French national in San Francisco to be a homicide, an apparent challenge to San Francisco police investigators who have yet to declare the case a slaying and suggested the man stabbed himself to death in his apartment.

    The family and French government are now offering a $100,000 reward for information in the June 2, 2007, death of 36-year-old Hugues de la Plaza.

    Although police labeled the case as a possible homicide, they also angered de la Plaza's family and friends by indicating he may have killed himself.

    French Judge Brigitte Jolivet came to San Francisco in June to oversee the unusual French probe into the local case, summoning witnesses and reviewing evidence that had been gathered by San Francisco homicide inspectors. San Francisco police cooperated with Jolivet's inquiry.

    Homicide investigators defended their ambiguous findings by pointing out that the chief medical examiner's office was unable to determine whether de la Plaza was a homicide or suicide victim.

    But two forensic experts who examined de la Plaza's autopsy photos and findings for the French inquiry concluded he had been killed, said Melissa Nix, a one-time girlfriend of de la Plaza who has been critical of how police handled the case.

    The French probe "declared it a homicide, without a measure of a doubt," said Nix, who said she was notified of the findings of the French probe by de la Plaza's father, who met with the judge and investigators this month.

    San Francisco police Lt. Mike Stasko, the head of the homicide detail, said his investigators had been informally told of the French finding last week. But, he said, his investigators have yet to see the official report and are going through the protocol of formally requesting it from the French government.
    [...]
    Friends of de la Plaza, led by Nix, have mounted a campaign and worked with de la Plaza's family in France to persuade San Francisco police to conclude the case was indeed a homicide.
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BA4415H831.DTL




    His friends and family seek justice: http://www.huguesdelaplaza.blogspot.com/

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    Their theory was that de la Plaza had washed the knife after stabbing himself, but tests on the blade showed no trace of blood.
    Did they look in his kitchen? Seriously, the only dish he bothered to wash was the one he stabbed himself with?

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    No bloody knife was found, but the investigators said de la Plaza could have washed one in the sink after fatally wounding himself.
    AFTER fatally wounding himself.

    Who are the investigators? Larry, Curly & Moe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just my luck sucks View Post
    AFTER fatally wounding himself.

    Who are the investigators? Larry, Curly & Moe?
    Exactly what I was just going to ask! Idiots!

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    I dont beleive it was a suiside either its got to be a homicideimho
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    I can see where the cops would be confused - no signs of struggle, locked apartment, no forced entry, inconclusive coroner report... etc BUT too many other things just don't add up to leave it molder.

    Actually, it is possible to inflict a fatal wound and have time to do things before you die. It has even happened that people have shot themselves in the head and had to do it a second time because they still were not dead.

    Investigative reporter Gary Webb: http://baltimorechronicle.com/2006/121106Parry.shtml

    And from the American journal of forensic medicine and pathology:
    The first victim (of two shots) fired the first shot, which was observed, into his mouth, leading to damage to the left optic nerve and frontal lobe. The man still was able to drive his car home, where he shot himself in his right temple. He died 2 days later. The second victim (of three shots) was a 58-year-old man who was found dead on his bed. Reconstruction of the case disclosed that the first shot had passed through his tongue and slightly damaged the second cervical vertebral body. He then shot himself in his right temple, leading to damage of the temporal lobe. Finally, he shot himself in his left temple, resulting in destruction of the pons.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2589288

    So I find it possible that he could have survived a time after stabbing himself.

    I just think there are too many other unanswered things to think he did.
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    Looking at that blood trail. It appears to me he was walking slowly to the kitchen sink, the blood dripping straight down. People can commit suicide in odd ways.

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    If he washed the knife, there would be blood in the sink. Look at all the junk in there. I'm still trying to grab why he would wash it.
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