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    Incest may not be best, but marriage bans should be rolled back, scientists say

    Inbreeding is the source of jokes about British royalty and is associated with increased birth defects among offspring. The practice is so reviled that 31 U.S. states ban marriage between first cousins or allow it only if the couple has undergone genetic counseling or at least one partner is sterile or no longer fertile because of age.

    But those laws "seem ill-advised" and "should be repealed," a geneticist and medical historian write in today's PLoS Biology. "Neither the scientific nor social assumptions that informed them are any longer defensible."

    The US "cousin marriage" prohibition stretches back to the 1858, when Kansas barred such marriages; Texas was the most recent state to pass a ban, in 2005, write Diane Paul, a political scientist emeritus at the University of Massachusetts, Boston, and Hamish Spencer, head of zoology at the University of Otago in New Zealand. (European countries didn’t ban the practice because there, "the rich and noble were marrying" their cousins, Spencer tells us. "In America it was immigrants and the rural poor — a much easier target of legislation than your monarch.")

    First cousins share about an eighth, or 12.5 percent, of their genes, according to a 2002 study in the Journal of Genetic Counseling. Because of that overlap, there's a 1.7 percent to 2.8 higher risk of intellectual disability and genetic disorders, including seizures and metabolic errors among children whose parents are first cousins than among the general population, says Robin Bennett, a certified genetic counselor and lead author of that research.

    That elevated risk is "comparable to a 40-year-old woman having children and we consider that perfectly acceptable," Spencer tells ScientificAmerican.com. "I can't imagine a law saying they're not allowed to have children."

    The father of evolution, Charles Darwin, married his first cousin, Emma Wedgwood, as did Albert Einstein when he walked down the aisle with cousin Elsa. But while marriage between first cousins occurs often in some parts of the world, and was not uncommon among immigrants and the rural poor during early American history, the practice is rare in the West, Spencer says.

    "It's not an issue because most people aren’t interested in their first cousin," Spencer admits. "But it does affect some individuals and it doesn’t seem particularly fair."

    It's worth noting that sex between more distant cousins may actually offer reproductive advantages. Pairings between third and fourth cousins result in more offspring and grandkids than more conventional couplings between folks who aren’t related, the Icelandic biotech company deCODE genetics reported in February.
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    Damnit, the cousin I would have slept with already got hitched, son of a bitch.

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    Okay... It shouldn't be illegal to eat my own shit either, but if you make it legal, I'm still not gonna do it because it's fucking disgusting.

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    I think someone needs to do a study on how scientists seem to have become complete idiots over the last few years.

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    I've always thought of my first cousin like my half sister. My mom & her dad came from the same two people, so it's like a sibling with one different parent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Bondurant View Post
    I think someone needs to do a study on how scientists seem to have become complete idiots over the last few years.
    Too much funding Pete. That's the problem.

    They've already discovered the cure for cancer and AIDS, blindness etc...it's just not released because the government profits off diseases. So, now that every major illness is pretty much covered....they resort to stupid shit like this.

    Okay...I'll take my tinfoil hat off.

    First cousins share about an eighth, or 12.5 percent, of their genes, according to a 2002 study in the Journal of Genetic Counseling. Because of that overlap, there's a 1.7 percent to 2.8 higher risk of intellectual disability and genetic disorders, including seizures and metabolic errors among children whose parents are first cousins than among the general population, says Robin Bennett, a certified genetic counselor and lead author of that research.

    That elevated risk is "comparable to a 40-year-old woman having children and we consider that perfectly acceptable," Spencer tells ScientificAmerican.com. "I can't imagine a law saying they're not allowed to have children."
    Interesting considering it's becoming safer for older women to have children. So, if gene suppression comes into play with cousins having children, what's wrong with that...? Moral obligations, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokenandtwisted View Post
    Interesting considering it's becoming safer for older women to have children. So, if gene suppression comes into play with cousins having children, what's wrong with that...? Moral obligations, of course.
    Safer for whom? Is there any evidence to suggest that the prime child-bearing age span is increasing as does the average life span? I doubt it, as it is generally technology, not evolution, that is allowing us to live longer. As a result, we're simply tacking years onto the end, not eliminating the risk of genetic disorders for women who choose to have children later in life. (Or maybe that's not what you were suggesting at all and I just went off on a tangent - if so, I apologize.)

    Personally, I've always considered anti-inbreeding laws to be stupid and baseless. I mean, how many people want to marry first cousins anyway?

    And legislation shouldn't be dependent on "moral obligations".
    "Now that ceaseless exposure has calloused us to the lewd and the vulgar, it is instructive to see what still seems wicked to us. What still slaps the clammy flab of our submissive consciousness hard enough to get our attention?"

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