Im not sure how close these roads were where they were found
I have heard and driven on some (I think) but the one that sticks out is 8 Mile,I wonder if it was as bad back then as it is now and thats why they dropped him there to maybe try and make it look like someone from around there did it
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Oh don't I know it. She must have told him about her fear and he used it against her. That or somehow he already knew about the fear. It broke my heart. Something in her inner concious knew she would die that way. How fucking horrible it came to pass. Her poor mother has to live knowing that the nightmare she assurred her daughter would never happen did in deed happen.Originally Posted by Whisper
The man obviously saw the news report and I believe he did feed him KFC to taunt the family & police. They also mentioned reports that he had a chicken bone in his pocket and/or a funeral card from another victim on him.
This man taunted the police. With the first victim on the day of his funeral someone (presumed the killer) left Mark's funeral card in the exact spot the he was placed when they found him. He may have very well have been at the funeral since the mother didn't recognize everyone who attended. The 2nd victim was left within view of the police station and was killed in a personal manner that matched her worst fear. The 3rd victim was left on a street that had an eerily similar name as the pyschrist who was working with the police and often spoke publicly about the murders. He also left clear hand prints in the snow with her. With Tim he made his most outright stab at the family and police. There was no question he was taunting them.
So why did he stop? I find that so weird. He had to have moved or been arrested. He seemed like he was having a good time toying with the police. He seemed to have no problems finding victims. It makes me shudder to think this guy could still be in the area.
I wonder what will become of this and I wonder what the press conference will be about.
The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children." Dietrich Bonhoeffer
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Its stopped after the one guy committed suicide,he was being investigated by cops
and his familys millionaires (Busche or Budweiser,some beer company)
I have a complete file at home on my desk top,im at work on my desk and dont have them on this newer laptop
they pretty much have all the proof and released alot just before xmas but its all on my other comp
They are now searching his family cabin and did once before and found hairs and stuff and comic books etc
but as soon as it turned to the guy he committed suicide and his family somehow managed to sway LE
When Im home tomorrow after Im up Ill dig the recent files I have explaining the rich kid
They say he had a accomplice though too and that guys alive and recently took his DNA
Seen older cases solved with DNA and i think they are really alot closer to the end and settling it then they are telling us
"Rescuing one animal may not change the world, but for that animal their world is changed forever!" - Unknown
For every murdered child
We fly with all prevailing winds of change,
For any quirk of fate we may arrange.
We are not "meek" or "mild";
Don't turn your back when twilight dims the sky -
We'll haunt the perpetrators till they Die
I'm not sure if you are talking about the possible previous victims or the 4 confirmed.
Possible victim Donna Serra lived in Ray Township which is north of me. It's northern Macomb County. It's approximately one hour plus away from the 4 confirmed killings.
Second Possilbe Victim lived in Bloomfield Township which is hours north of Oakland County.
Third Victim-Article doesn't say where they were at but the guy broke into the house....our guys MO is to pluck them off the street.
Keep in mind with mile roads they are usually one mile apart literally.
With Mark Stebbins he was in Ferndale when he was taken. He was at 9 mile and Livernois. The area I do not believe was as bad back then as it is now. Today it's an okay area but not nice by any means. He was found in Southfield which is only about a 10 minute drive if you take 696. They are basically neighboring cities.
Now Jill Robinson I believe was taken from Royal Oak. It says she was last seen near Tiny Tim's which is on Gardenia which is equal too 11 1/2 mile road. Royal Oak directly borders Ferndale (where Mark was taken). She was left in Troy at I-75 & Big Beaver (Big Beaver is the name for 16 mile road in Troy) It is about a 15 minute drive between where she was taken and where she was left. It is believed he chose to leave her there because it was within view of the police station (now the guy had to have had some balls to pull over and leave her on the side of a major highway) Though I'm not sure why he would taunt the Troy police. They were not involved in any of the investigations so far.
Kristine Mihelich was taken in Berkley. It is between Troy and Royal Oak but closer to Royal Oak. The girl was taken near 12 mile road. She was then left in Franklin Village (now referred to only as Franklin) on Bruce Lane which is near 13 mile and Telegraph. It is Northwest of Southfield (where Mark was found) It is a 15 minute drive from where she was taken.
Lastly; Tim King was taken from Birmingham. The article says he was last seen on Maple (15 mile Road). Birmingham borders Troy and Berkley. He was less than 5 miles from where Jill was left on I-75. He was found in Livonia which is the furthest out of all the victims. Livonia is about a 30 minute drive from Birmingham. It is southwest of the cities previously mentioned.
So basically all the kids linked to the killer where in a small area of Oakland County (which is a large county that covers a lot of area) It takes no more then 30 minutes to go to any point on his route. I'm not sure of actual millege
So to sum it up all the locations were between 8 and 16 mile road. And around Telegraph (close to were both Tim and Kristine were found) and I-75. That would be 8 miles north and south and 10 miles East & West.
All the locations of the citities the children were taken from are off Woodward Road. It runs through Ferndale, Royal Oak, Berkley and Birmingham. In the case of Mark Stebbins who was on Livernois, Woodward runs slanted on that side of town so the distance is less then a mile.
This guy for some reason chose locations all on the same road within miles of each other to take his victims. 9 mile to 11 1/2 mile. Then to 12 Mile. And lastly up to 15 mile. He was moving north when taking his victims. I wonder if that was intentional or not. I have no idea why he stopped there as Woodward goes a bit further north. I think it ends near Pontiac.
If I knew where the office building in Southfield where Mark was left was I could probably narrow it down to Telegraph road since Telegraph runs just West of Southfield. Not on Telegraph but real close too so maybe there is a link there. It appears 3 of the sites were near Telegraph Road (with the exception of Jill who was left on I-75 but they feel that was to taunt police) Then again Jill was the only one killed in a manner other than strangulation/suffocation. For some reason her case is the one that slightly varies from the rest of them. Hmmmm.....
Do we know where the two suspects lived at the time?
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The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children." Dietrich Bonhoeffer
If that's the case he probably did it. He committed suicide knowing he was close to being caught. It would make sense. He wouldn't be the first pedo/murdered to take his own life instead of facing the music.
The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children." Dietrich Bonhoeffer
Holy Moly Mother or Pearl.... Sorry if this info was already posted. I didn't remember reading this here. I feel so bad for Tim's parents (his mother passed away in 2004) because this guy had been in custody for molesting other children! He plead guilty to a lesser charge and got probabation! If they had kept him in custody Tim would probably still be alive (it was already too late for the others) My God what a failure of justice.
I'm not posting the entire article. You can read it in full here http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...367/1409/rss36
Other children molested by Busch and his companion Gregory Greene told the Oakland County Child Killings Task Force in 1977 that the two men would drive them around in their cars and would have them "lure kids closer to the car by talking to them." One victim said he had been choked unconscious while being molested.
This victim also said he recognized photos of Timothy as being the same boy seen with Busch. He said he saw a Polaroid photo of Timothy tied up in Busch's car.
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz1swQrBj8Han Oakland County Child Killing Task Force interview about his pedophile activity, Busch is said to have listed the locations where he picked up and dropped off boys in the same chronological order that matched the abduction sites of the other three Oakland County children who were killed: Nine Mile and Woodward Avenue in Ferndale (the same location from which Mark Stebbins disappeared), 13 Mile and Woodward in Royal Oak (Jill Robinson was last seen near the Tiny Tim Hobby Center) and the 7-Eleven on 12 Mile in Berkley (where Kristine Mihelich went to purchase a teen magazine). Timothy had not yet been abducted.
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz1swRd6XDhYep somebody got paid off to make it go away.In late January 1977, Busch, then 27, was facing a rape charge in Flint and was questioned by Flint and task force investigators about the murder of Mark Stebbins, the first victim in the Oakland County child killings. According to the records, several investigators and then-Deputy Oakland County Prosecutor Dick Thompson thought Busch would be charged with the Stebbins murder, based on his criminal record and responses to investigators. But after a lie detector test was administered by Michigan State Police examiner Ralph Cabot, Busch was released.
Six weeks later, Timothy was abducted and murdered.
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz1swTPoopA
Sounds like a payoff to me.In 2006, former neighbor Patrick Coffey, a licensed polygrapher, called the Kings with information that Larry Wasser, a Southfield polygrapher, had confided to him that Busch had implicated himself in the child killings during a polygraph exam he conducted more than 30 years ago.
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz1swSGDLbk
Why did nobody even bother to check up on the tip??? WTF!!!!!!Other findings in the State Police report: A tip was called into the Montmorency Sheriff's Department while Busch was at his family cottage on Ess Lake near Hillman. A woman pleaded with police to go to the cottage, saying she had seen Busch — known to her as a pedophile out on bond — in town with minors. The call came on March 19, 1977, during the time Timothy was missing, which was between March 16 and March 22. There was no indication that law enforcement acted on the tip. A former cellmate of Greene's told detectives Williams and Gray that Greene said "he got away with killing four kids in the past." Greene died in prison of a heart attack in 1995. He was 45.
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz1swSYOufg
Can you say cover up because it sure in the Hell looks like one!!!!!!In early 2008, Williams enlisted three independent polygraph examiners to re-examine the original polygraphs of Busch and Greene that led to Busch's release in the Stebbins investigation. Their findings are blocked out in the documents the King family received.
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz1swTqWGBH
You think his family knew he did this or at least suspect he is the killer. How convient the same daddy that bailed him out of jail on 4 different molestation charges shredded every piece of family documents. Convient yet odd...hmmmm...Charles Busch, Christopher Busch's only living sibling, requested that as a condition for supplying his DNA, family members living in Michigan be allowed to enter a "witness protection-type program." He also said that later in his life, his father, H. Lee Busch, who died at age 90 in 2002, shredded all of the family documents, including birth certificates.
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz1swU7YtNf
AGREED!"I will feel like justice has been served when the Oakland County prosecutor explains to me why Busch is not guilty. I am sick and tired of a four-time convicted sexual pedophile being treated better than my family and the families of Mark Stebbins, Kristine Mihelich and Jill Robinson."
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz1swUYeKhY
The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children." Dietrich Bonhoeffer
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No Im talking the first 4 original confirmed kids
Yeah theres mega evidence he did it
They had money,daddy was a big wig in Michigan and he paid whoever to make it go away
Thats why the woman annouced today is being sued her name is Cooper
She took DNA that wasnt tested all sorts of crap shes pulled over the years
Not all out yet but heres a bit
Detroit lawyer files suit alleging cover-up in Oakland County Child Killer case
http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_n...#ixzz1syid9CiSWXYZ) - A Detroit attorney has filed a $100 million dollar lawsuit against the Oakland County Prosecutor, the Oakland County Sheriff and the Michigan State Police.
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The lawsuit alleges a conspiracy, cover-up, and misconduct by the prosecutor.
The members of two of the victims’ families have led a very public battle for more information about who killed four innocent children in the 1970s. But those family members - who’ve been so public about their quest – say the announcement of this press conference took them by surprise and they don’t know what to expect.
Thirty-six years may have passed since the Oakland County Child Killer first struck – but for the families of the children who were murdered – the pain will never vanish.
“It never goes away. It never dies. And anybody who says there’s any closure – there is no such thing,” said Kristine Mihelich’s stepfather, Tom Ascroft.
[...]
Despite the fact that secret grand juries in both Oakland and Wayne Counties have been hearing testimony about the killings – Detroit attorney Paul Hughes is calling a press conference. Hughes says he’s representing Debbie Jarvis, Kristine’s mother.
But the other family members who have been actively pursuing answers in the case for years – including the King family, Ascroft, and Kristine’s sister Erica McAvoy -- say they knew nothing about the upcoming press conference. “We’re really saddened that something would happen like this, without us being notified,” Ascroft told 7 Action News Investigator Heather Catallo.
Hughes tells 7 Action News that he plans to suggest that as many as 11 additional child serial killer victims could be connected to the four – and he’s suggesting a cover-up with-in law enforcement.
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“In our experience, we have had all sorts of leads and claims that we investigate,” said Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica CooperCooper can’t discuss any case that’s currently before the grand jury – but she did tell us she doesn’t know how someone who hasn’t been part of the investigation can cry foul unless he or she knows all the facts.
“If somebody wants to write a book, somebody wants to become famous, somebody wants to make $1,500 a hit on whatever it is he’s selling in this press conference he’s calling - that’s not fair. It’s not fair to people who are legitimately looking and investigating and trying to find it – its definitively unfortunate to have family members exploited again and again,” said Cooper..
Victim's family says Oakland County Child Killer might have been in law enforcement
April 24, 2012
http://www.freep.com/article/2012042...xt%7CFRONTPAGEHis name is Bob.
He may be involved in law enforcement.
And he believes someone in law enforcement is – or was – the Oakland County Child Killer and may be responsible for eight or more additional slayings than the four previously credited to the killer in 1976-77.
That’s the upshot of a news conference this morning in downtown Detroit, where attorney Paul Hughes and his client, Deborah Jarvis, the mother of one of the victims, explained why they filed a $100-million federal lawsuit Monday against Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper, County Sheriff Michael Bouchard and Michigan State Police investigators involved in the unsolved case.
They want the investigation turned over to the Justice Department for a new, independent probe by someone that Bob – the mysterious confidential informant – would be willing to work with to solve the 35-year-old case.
During the hour-long news conference, Hughes accused Oakland County authorities and state police of bungling the investigation or discovering something so terrible, that authorities have covered it up and concealed it from the victims’ families all these years.
“It’s either political embarrassment or something highly disturbing about what they found,” Hughes said at the news conference at the Courtyard by Marriott hotel.
Hughes and Jarvis said they don’t know Bob’s real identity or exactly what he knows. But Hughes said Oakland County and state investigators have refused to provide a piece of information Bob requested to continue his investigation.
Hughes said he faxed letters last night to Michigan Senators Carl Levin and Debbie Stabenow and U.S. Rep. John Conyers, asking them to urge the Justice Department to take over the investigation.
There was no immediate response from the legislators or the Justice Department. The Michigan State Police declined Monday to comment on the case.
Cooper and Bouchard on Monday accused Hughes of trying to exploit the families of the victims, including Jarvis. They said they cannot share information from an ongoing investigation without compromising the case.
"I feel terrible for the families and would do anything to bring closure," Bouchard said.
He also said the Justice Department has been involved in the investigation through the FBI.
Cooper said Hughes’ claims are groundless.
"This is a family that's been grieving for 30 years and that grief is now being exploited," she said, referring to Hughes. "And that's the tragedy here."
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The lawsuit says Cooper and Bouchard, their staffs and three State Police employees, including two detectives, have refused to release information about the case to the parents of the victims, preventing them from suing the suspects in civil court.
Hughes says Cooper convened a grand jury investigation last year to somehow prevent Bob from going to the FBI with his report detailing gross mismanagement of the investigation or that they were actively involved in a cover-up to protect the killer.
During today’s news conference, Hughes acknowledged that he is seeking donations to finance the lawsuit. A website is offering for $1,500 Bob’s complete investigation report if and when it becomes public.
Todays presser really just showed they are grasping at straws,I really feel for all the families
But that lawyers on crack or something
Hes totally going in a diff direction that had absolutely no merit or proof
Compared to all the proof they have regarding the Busch kid that committed suicide
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For every murdered child
We fly with all prevailing winds of change,
For any quirk of fate we may arrange.
We are not "meek" or "mild";
Don't turn your back when twilight dims the sky -
We'll haunt the perpetrators till they Die
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I definitely feel there was a cover-up of some sort. They had this man in custody and they had enough to hold him and possibly even charge him in the murder of Mark Stebbins. Yet they suddenly let him go. He is found guilty of molesting 4 children and he gets probation. His dad paid his way out of jail each of those 4 charges. They let him go. Had they charged him in the murder of Mark Stebbins I'm willing to bet my house the other 3 children would still be alive today. That is infuriating! I can't blame the families for being out raged. It doesn't help that in almost all the cases local police botched the crime scences and possibly contaminated evidence. I mean this is years of LE mess up's the families have been dealing with.
I do think the lawyer is a bit of a whack-a-do. First off since when does a laywer ask anyone to help pay for case expenses? Does he only represent one family? My opinion if the families have a lawyer working for them then he should have paid the 11,000 for the report. Those expenses are suppose to recouped when the case settles (he takes his share of any money awarded the family) I think it's obsurd to ask the public to buy a report to fund the lawsuit. Most lawyers in cases like this get paid after the fact. It does make me wonder if he is just trying to make a quick buck.
Then who is this "Bob" guy. Sounds to me like he did an individual investigation but that report has been lost or withheld. If it does exist it would be interesting to see what that report found. Whenever something is withheld it makes you wonder what is in it that they don't want you to see.
I don't believe Cooper was the prosecutor in the 1970's however her office is being sued because it's proper procedure. I do not think she personally is the one who took payoff money back in the 70's or had anything to do with letting him go. Though she may be responsible for keeping it under the rug so to speak. Same thing goes for the Chief of Police. It's been 30 plus years. People retire, die and move on. So the people responsible for the payoff and initial cover up may not even be around anymore.
I do think someone took money to let Busch free. I do believe his family believes he did it. I think his father knew but didn't want the bad rap for his family's reputation. I mean his mother tried to pay off witnesses in his molestation cases. They were more worried about saving face then admitting their son was a monster who needed to go to jail. When the heat got too hot and even daddy couldn't bail him out of the murder's and police were closing in the guy kills himself. To me that says a lot. If you were innocent you would use your family money to buy the best damn lawyer and try to clear your name. I'm willing to bet his father told him that he couldn't buy his way out of a murder wrap if they have solid evidence against him. His dad probaby told him I won't help you (his reputation was on the line and he probably wanted to distance himself from a child killer) Since daddy couldn't or wouldn't get him off the hook he killed himself. Though I have to say the house he killed himself in didn't look expensive. So I'm thinking he was on his own financially. The only reason his parents bailed him out the first time was to save face.
It's just aweful that 3 lives were lost when they didn't need to be. If they had kept this guy in jail 3 children would be full grown adults today. It's sad.
The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children." Dietrich Bonhoeffer
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I saw lastnight theres a special coming out on Channel 4 but they havent said when Ill let you know if I catch the date and timeI do think someone took money to let Busch free. I do believe his family believes he did it. I think his father knew but didn't want the bad rap for his family's reputation. I mean his mother tried to pay off witnesses in his molestation cases. They were more worried about saving face then admitting their son was a monster who needed to go to jail. When the heat got too hot and even daddy couldn't bail him out of the murder's and police were closing in the guy kills himself. To me that says a lot. If you were innocent you would use your family money to buy the best damn lawyer and try to clear your name. I'm willing to bet his father told him that he couldn't buy his way out of a murder wrap if they have solid evidence against him. His dad probaby told him I won't help you (his reputation was on the line and he probably wanted to distance himself from a child killer) Since daddy couldn't or wouldn't get him off the hook he killed himself. Though I have to say the house he killed himself in didn't look expensive. So I'm thinking he was on his own financially. The only reason his parents bailed him out the first time was to save face.
But what I caught from the short promo its Brookes Patterson thats really starting to come under fire
I dont know why
I have research back and see where he stood in this mess at that time
I was so small and didnt live here (in the city) at the time
So Im not sure what office he held (if any)
Maybe he pocketed money out of the deal
Its all so familiar to Kwame and the stripper murder Tamara Greene aka Strawberry
Names that lately have come out in that remind me now of Pattersons name being mentioned
I knew Mike Cox called off the investigation into her murder BUT
I just recently found out he was at that party!
So there you go,they deny there was a party
call it urban legend all they want they now have proof he was at the party they are attempting to put a diff date to it
So its going to be interesting to see where Brookes Patterson fits into this probe being squashed into the murders
"Rescuing one animal may not change the world, but for that animal their world is changed forever!" - Unknown
For every murdered child
We fly with all prevailing winds of change,
For any quirk of fate we may arrange.
We are not "meek" or "mild";
Don't turn your back when twilight dims the sky -
We'll haunt the perpetrators till they Die
I would be interested in seeing the special coming out so do let me know if you catch when it's airing.
I was not yet born when this happened so of course I know nothing about it. My parents got married in 1977 and
they were living in the area (both my parents lived in Troy before they got married and were living in a city near where the kids
were taken in 1977-78 I didn't come along until 1980) I grew up off the of the street Jill was taken from. I had driven by that spot several times in my life. I have driven by the spot she was left on I-75 more times than I can count. Her body was left about a mile from the cemetary where my husband and other family members are burried. I've driven past that spot and never knew about her. Everytime I go that way now I will have to wonder exactly where she was (If I had to guess it would be the southbound side since that's the side the police station is on) I should ask my mom if she remembers anything about the case.
Anyways; let me know what you find on Brooks Patterson and where he fit into the mystery. I'm intrigued by this case.
The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children." Dietrich Bonhoeffer
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So I asked my mom about this since she lived in the area. She remember the details that we had already dug up.
She asked me if I thought it there was a cover up.....lol. That turned into one long conversation.
The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children." Dietrich Bonhoeffer
Sketch by Christopher Busch found at suicide scenehttp://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/04/...-child-killer/The man who claims he has information that could crack the Oakland County Child Killer case released a statement for the first time Friday on the Charlie Langton 1270 Talk Radio show, saying the killers are still alive.
And another bombshell dropped: Barry King, father of victim Timothy King, filed a Freedom of Information claim and quietly won when Oakland County Circuit Court Judge Wendy Potts ruled Oakland County prosecutor Jessica Cooper has to appear in court July 27 and produce an update on the 35-year-old case.
“We had a motion for the order to show cause and she (Potts) just ruled that it’s time for her (Cooper) to come to court and tell us under oath what she has,” King said.
That’s something new in the case that has bedeviled Oakland County law enforcement for decades, since four children were kidnapped in separate incidents in Oakland County between February 1976 and March 1977, and turned up later in shallow graves. Two boys and two girls, they had all been held for days before being killed. Their bodies had been washed, clothes cleaned and pressed, and they’d been fed wherever they’d been held in captivity. It set off a national panic.
Just as fast as the killings started, they stopped. And a search for justice has continued since.
A man known only as Bob has come forward claiming he has information based on thousands of hours of research. He’s legitimate enough that former Detroit Police Chief Ike McKinnon brokered a meeting in October 2010 with Bob, the Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office, and top investigators.
Bob wanted to give up a bit of information he said he had in exchange for getting a bit of information from the prosecutor that had never been released. Cooper refused, and the relationship fell apart.
Bob weighed in during a roundtable Langton hosted with Debbie Jarvis, mother of 10-year-old victim Kristine Mehelich, attorney Paul Hughes, and Barry King, father of victim Timothy King. Jarvis filed a $100 million lawsuit earlier this week demanding that Cooper release information that she believes could solve the case.
Issued exclusively to Langton, Bob’s statement said the killers — who he said he knows are still alive — changed their pattern after they were nearly caught at the scene where Timothy King, 11, was left. They stopped leaving victims out for the public to find, he said, adding he thinks six more killings should be tied to the Oakland Child Killer.
In the killing that Bob said changed their pattern, King was slain shortly before he was discovered. His body was still warm when teen-agers stumbled onto him in a shallow ditch along 8 Mile Road in Livonia.
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“I’m not really going to comment on that at this time, but the constitution says crime victims have the right to meet
with the prosecutor,” King said. Because Cooper hasn’t met with him or the families of other victims, she now has to appear in open court, under oath, and discuss the case.
“She has to come to court and tell us why she’s not producing the documents we’ve requested,” King added.
The father added that he believes it’s possible more than one person was involved in the killings, and he believes there’s enough circumstantial evidence against a convicted pedophile, Christopher Busch, who committed suicide in November 1978, to look at him again.
King said he got a call last Friday from a woman who saw a TV show about the case and remembered seeing Timothy King in a car with a man who looked like Christopher Bush. “That’s the first time I got any kind of lead that he was involved with them,” King said.
The woman reported that she was driving down M-59, passed a blue Gremlim and saw Tim inside. She reported it at the time to Birmingham police, who had asked the public to stay on alert after King disappeared.
“She saw the picture of Christopher Busch, and said, ‘That’s the man I saw,’” King said.
Bob said he believes there could be six more victims, at least one out-of state, that match the way the four were killed in Oakland County.
Some questioned whether Bob himself could be involved — and Cooper said she wouldn’t negotiate with someone who could be calling from a “mental institution.”
“I have spent over $100,000 of my personal funds, almost 5,000 hours and have made clear that I want no money in return for obtaining justice,” his statement said, later adding, “My response is: Anyone that can spend this amount of money in an effort is more likely to own the mental institution.
“To all those who question my motives and agenda, you are wasting my time.”
Jarvis said she believes Bob has valuable information, saying, “I’ve been in contact with him for the last two years, it’s obvious he has information that’s beyond information from old newspaper clips.”
She said she’s only talked to him on the telephone, but Hughes said when Bob first came forward he made him hand over information only someone with inside information on the case would know — and was able to confirm it.
Bob wanted the prosecutor to do the same thing, but Cooper wouldn’t play ball.
“The representatives from Oakland County got back to Bob and said ‘We’re not going to give you that information,” Hughes said. “The prosecutor was not going to give one collateral piece of information … It’s a very inconsequential piece of information that after 30 years was not going to jeopardize any investigation.”
Cooper addressed the issue after Bob’s interview, releasing a statement that said, “The prosecutor doesn’t respond to conspiracy theorists…particularly those who will not identify themselves and she will not respond to attorneys who file frivolous pleadings in federal court … The court will respond to that. (I) will not legitimate scurrilous allegations that would jeopardize an ongoing investigation.”
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Oakland County Child Killer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland...er#Chris_Busch
http://thegirlfromtheghetto.wordpres...-child-killer/1970's mugshot of Chris Busch
Christopher Busch, pictured above, died from a self-inflicted gunshot to the head on Nov. 20, 1978. He was 27 years old.
Was Christopher Busch, convicted pedophile, Oakland County resident and the son of Harold Lee Busch (who worked as the executive financial director in the United States and Europe for General Motors) The Oakland County Child Killer? Attorney Barry King, also the father of Timothy King, believes so
@VAS1326 avoid this woman at all costs all her blogs shes got going and shes been warned by police many times b.c shes made crap up and put herself in the crimes
Total whackjob
Her Names Helen Dagner
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Photos released of Oakland County Child Killer suspect's suicide scene
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This case is just so bizarre. I think Chris Busch had something to do with it. John Greene may have been involved. I don't know for sure either way both are dead. I don't know if others knew or were involved but that seems like a lot of people to keep a secret.http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/04/...-child-killer/Sketch by Christopher Busch found at suicide scene
Oakland County Child Killer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland...er#Chris_Busch
http://thegirlfromtheghetto.wordpres...-child-killer/1970's mugshot of Chris Busch
Christopher Busch, pictured above, died from a self-inflicted gunshot to the head on Nov. 20, 1978. He was 27 years old.
Was Christopher Busch, convicted pedophile, Oakland County resident and the son of Harold Lee Busch (who worked as the executive financial director in the United States and Europe for General Motors) The Oakland County Child Killer? Attorney Barry King, also the father of Timothy King, believes so
@VAS1326 avoid this woman at all costs all her blogs shes got going and shes been warned by police many times b.c shes made crap up and put herself in the crimes
Total whackjob
Her Names Helen Dagner
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Photos released of Oakland County Child Killer suspect's suicide scene
Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_n...#ixzz1tIp2QsgF
I wonder what Bob actually has and it honestly it may just be build up and not be as fantastic as they are making it sound. Does his info prove someone else did it? Or does it prove a cover up? I mean if he knows who did it and it was not Chris Busch then why not just bring it out. I could see him be hesistant to accuse a lot of law enforcement of a payoff without all his ducks in a row.
I am glad that the prosecutor is going to have to tell the family what they have. The family deserves to know. The more secret they keep things from them the more it makes me wonder what is it they know. Have they known who did it all this time? Was it in fact Chris Busch? Was there a payoff? Did somebody else do this and they didn't pursue that person(s)?
It's a mystery for sure and I am intrigued. I cannot wait to see what comes out of all this. I just hope for the victims and the families the truth is reveled so they all can find some peace.
Oh I went to that blog......I couldn't even read it. It's like a rambling wall of words. What I could decipher is that the admin thinks Busch is innocent. Other then that I couldn't even read it. Put herself in the crimes? WTF? How does one do that?
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yeah she makes out shes got inside info and all sorts of shit
causing the familys grief and just a big mouth that knows nothing but makes out she does
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I learned to avoid all her crap through a channel 7 investigation couple years ago
they confronted her with a bunch of people she had led on and it basically came down to shes a liar that hasnt got anything we dont have in our threads
and has caused probs and grief for the families
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Yeah from what I did see she is a whack a do and does act like she knows more then she does. She seems to think that John had more of a role and Busch was set up. I think she met John once so that makes her the expert.
Poor families having to deal with a nutcase like that getting their hopes up for new information. Geesh she is pathetic.
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This is by far the most messed up thing I've ever read. And, I'm a regular here, so, that's pretty messed up.
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Oakland County officials ask for dismissal of child killer lawsuit
http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_n...#ixzz1uzw8Im3VWXYZ) - Lawyers for the Oakland County Prosecutor and Sheriff say the recent lawsuit filed against them regarding the decades-old Oakland County Child Killer case should be dismissed.
They call the case an ill-conceived, unfounded, and tardy attack on law enforcement officials who want justice just as much as the families do.
County lawyers also put attorney Paul Hughes on notice that if he doesn’t withdraw his lawsuit, they will seek sanctions against him, in large part because they call the lawsuit “factually deficient.”
Last month, Hughes filed the $100 million dollar on behalf of one of the victim’s families.
The 7 Action News Investigators revealed that Hughes was relying on information from an anonymous source, who’s believed to be the same anonymous source who contacted 7 Action News back in 2010. The so-called source alleged that the killings were tied to cult activities and pagan holidays, but never provided any proof.
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Grand juries in both Oakland and Wayne Counties have been convened to investigate the case.
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For every murdered child
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For any quirk of fate we may arrange.
We are not "meek" or "mild";
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AUDIO: Anonymous sources claims more victims in Oakland County Child Killer case
http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_n...#ixzz1v5hgma2CWXYZ) - 7 Action News was the first to report that a recent $100 million lawsuit, filed on behalf of one of the families of an Oakland County Child Killer victim, was relying on information from an anonymous source who goes by the alias of “Bob.”
Both the attorney who filed the lawsuit, Paul Hughes, and Kristine Mihelich’s mother, Deborah Jarvis, admit they have never met “Bob,” nor do they know his real name or what he does for a living.
This is a recording of a conference call meeting that “Bob” conducted over the phone with Chief Assistant Oakland County Prosecutor Paul Walton, Oakland County Undersheriff Mike McCabe, former Detroit Police Chief Ike McKinnon, and AP reporter Corey Williams in October of 2010.
During that same time period, “Bob” was also contacting 7 Action News Investigator Heather Catallo. He said he could prove that there were more than just 4 victims of the Child Killer – and “Bob” wrote up a detailed memo, alleging that the victims were abducted and their bodies were discovered on dates that were connected to Pagan holidays.
“Bob” claimed the killings were tied to satanic cult activity in metro Detroit.
The problem was, “Bob” would never provide a name, or any information about himself, or a phone number so that we could verify what he was saying.
“If he was some crazy dude, he’d just be out there posting it all over. Or he would be turning the matter over to the local county prosecutor. He wanted one piece of information, essentially to confirm what he basically already knew, before he was going to put an individual out there as a suspect. And that, my friends, is integrity on his part. That’s all he wanted to verify before he put that information forward,” said Paul Hughes at a press conference last month.
“Are you sure he hasn’t posted anything on the internet,” asked Catallo.
“No,” said Hughes.
In November of 2010, someone posted a article on a blog-site – it’s made to look like it’s an Associated Press article, but it’s not. It matches the memo the anonymous source sent to 7 Action News.
Hughes says “Bob” has information that ties in additional victims -- young girls who vanished in the 70’s.
In the lawsuit he alleges there’s “an extremely high probability that the deaths of Donna Serra, Kim Larrow, Kimberly King, and Jane Allan, among others, are connected to the Oakland County Child Killer case.”
But Hughes admitted he was not aware that specific forensic evidence – dog hair and carpet fibers -- that connect the four known victims.
Hughes’ lawsuit alleges a massive cover-up at the hands of police and prosecutors. And that claim hinges on the grand jury that’s currently hearing testimony on this case.
The attorney says an email from the secret source prompted the Oakland County Prosecutor to impanel the grand jury in less than a week. Here’s what we know about grand juries – it takes a long time to put them together, and there’s a lot of oversight. It doesn’t happen in a week.
While they cannot legally discuss any case that’s before the grand jury, the Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office is emphatic that they did not convene a grand jury just to keep this confidential source quiet [...]
You can listen to audio recording in middle of link
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For every murdered child
We fly with all prevailing winds of change,
For any quirk of fate we may arrange.
We are not "meek" or "mild";
Don't turn your back when twilight dims the sky -
We'll haunt the perpetrators till they Die
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You know when as I was a pre-teen/teenager there were a lot of stories about a Satanic church/cult near the area. If I remember right it was in Troy. Doesn't explain the kidnappings and murders all in the one area but it's an interesting twist that this source says it was a satanic/cult thing. I wonder if that's where the rumors of said cult came from or if it was something that at one time exsisted. I've seen the so called satanic church (I didn't go inside) but I can't say for sure it was in fact a church that was devoted to Satan. It's not like it had a huge red sign that come join our cult.
I don't know what to think of this "Bob" guy. Seems like if he knew something he would want to take it to law enforcement. Instead it almost seems like he is playing a game. Or he is really trully afraid of saying anything without 100% proof. Then again one would think it would be better just to turn over copies of what you have and let the DA figure it out.
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http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_n...#ixzz1wVVzzkisWXYZ) - The 7 Action News Investigators have uncovered new information in the Oakland County Child Killer Case.
Sources tell 7 Action News Investigator Heather Catallo that the Oakland County Grand Jury is actively investigating a new suspect – and that person is still alive.
[...]
We have also learned that a man who publicly became known in 2009 as a promising suspect is not the focus of the grand jury that’s been convened in Oakland County.
Christopher Brian Busch was a convicted pedophile, who lived in Bloomfield Hills before he committed suicide in 1978. Many of the victim’s family members obtained compelling information about Busch – but now we’ve learned the grand jury has been hard at work on someone else, who’s still alive.
Last summer – the Oakland County prosecutor convened a citizen’s grand jury to hear testimony and examine evidence in the child killer case.
The grand jury operates in secret and has the power to compel witnesses to appear. Legal experts say it’s a powerful investigative tool – but grand juries cannot indict someone who’s dead.
According to the law, state grand juries can be convened for six months, and extended another six months. That means the 1 year mark is fast approaching on the Oakland County grand jury.
It’s not clear if a new grand jury will be convened to continue looking at the evidence against the suspect.
Kristine Mihelich’s sister Erica McAvoy says she’s not surprised to learn the grand jury is looking at someone who’s alive.
“Given conversations that I had with those close to law enforcement over the last 9 months, just based on that, it led me to believe that in fact they had someone of interest, that very well could still be alive, and also given the fact that they wanted a new DNA sample from us as siblings as well as parents lead me to believe again that they were on to something,” said McAvoy.
McAvoy says she hopes the grand jury investigation will finally give the families of all four victims some sense of peace.
“My ultimate hope is justice is served. There will never be closure, for the families who have lived through this tragedy, and continue to live through it. All I can say, we just simply want to know why this happened,” said McAvoy.
A second grand jury in Wayne County has also been convened on the child killer case. It’s not clear yet what the results of either grand jury will be.
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Timeline: Revisiting the Oakland County child killings: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...=2012120613060
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Id love to see this solved I have watched the families on TV over the years especially Timmy Kings
They have never let this fall into the back ground
With the parents aging Id love to see them have some "closure"
Although I dont believe there ever is such a thing in cases like this
They taunted the parents in couple cases if you ask me
Love to be able to see the families beat the hell out of the killers (but that will be only in my dreams)
And lately (last 5 years or so ) so many twists and turns and guys in prison right now investigated
Including men whose own children called on them and gave DNA etc
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For every murdered child
We fly with all prevailing winds of change,
For any quirk of fate we may arrange.
We are not "meek" or "mild";
Don't turn your back when twilight dims the sky -
We'll haunt the perpetrators till they Die
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gonna grab a Detroit Fress Press while Im out this morning
"Rescuing one animal may not change the world, but for that animal their world is changed forever!" - Unknown
For every murdered child
We fly with all prevailing winds of change,
For any quirk of fate we may arrange.
We are not "meek" or "mild";
Don't turn your back when twilight dims the sky -
We'll haunt the perpetrators till they Die
Alot more will be released tomorrow including a name of someone they expect to be arrested for these murders according the news reports
New evidence released in Oakland County Child Killer case
Prosecutors say no evidence links Christopher Bush to Oakland County Child Killer
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/i...n/-/index.htmlOAKLAND COUNTY, Mich. -
Prosecutors are opening new files about specific evidence and suspects in the Oakland County Child Killer case.
Part of 6,000 pages of evidence in the case were made public under the Freedom of Information Act. Prosecutors are being allowed to speak out about specific evidence in the case.
Top Oakland County prosecutors Jessica Cooper and Paul Walton have been openly discussing specific evidence in the murders of Mark Stebbins, Kristine Mihelich, Jill Robinson and Timothy King. The four children were held captive for days before being murdered in 1976 and 1977.
They weren't bloody. They weren't dripping and there was no sign of blood," Cooper said.
More than 30 years since the crimes, top prosecutors now are coming forward to put a stop to false claims and rumors about the case. Prosecutors say they have tracked down the scientist who analyzed the ropes found at the home of suspect Christopher Bush.
"He conclusively told us that he was aware of these facts and that had there been any blood on that rope or ligature he would have sent it on to the evidence unit," said Walton.
The prosecutors say the families of the victims and media outlets continuing to push Bush as the Oakland County Child Killer have misinterpreted public documents and have not seen the real evidence.
"There isn't a piece of evidence that we can point to and say Mr. Bush killed Timothy King, Jill Robinson, Kristine Mihelich or Mark Stebbins," said Walton.
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Wow. I for sure will check back tomorrow for more info. What a crazy story.
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yeah I ve been following this for years and I cant wait for the families to have some kinda justice whatever that may be
"Rescuing one animal may not change the world, but for that animal their world is changed forever!" - Unknown
For every murdered child
We fly with all prevailing winds of change,
For any quirk of fate we may arrange.
We are not "meek" or "mild";
Don't turn your back when twilight dims the sky -
We'll haunt the perpetrators till they Die
Once again they are misleading but actually thats o.k b/c they dont want to give name away
Since Grand Jury will not investigate or indict the dead(makes sense)
Goes to show suspect is still alive
They have that proof the person is alive and they have a high tech DNA they are waiting on for an arrest,you can watch news clip at link to explain but have lots of good new stuff released
And over 6000 pages released about the case since it began
Prosecutors say evidence points away from suspect Christopher Bush as Oakland County Child Killer
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/i...1/-/index.htmlDETROIT -
Part of 6,000 pages of evidence in the Oakland County Child Killer case were made public under the Freedom of Information Act.
Prosecutors are being allowed to speak out about specific evidence in the case. Bombshell No. 1 involves suspect Christopher Bush. Sources tell Local 4 that Bush did not kill Mark Stebbins, Kristine Mihelich, Jill Robinson and Timothy King. Victims' family members have believed Bush could be the killer for decades.
"There isn't a piece of evidence that we can point to and say Mr. Bush killed Timothy King, Jill Robinson, Kristine Mihelich or Mark Stebbins," said Paul Walton, chief assistant Oakland County prosecutor.
It is the first time prosecutors have gone on the record to say there is zero evidence suggesting Bush is the Oakland County Child Killer. His DNA does not match the physical evidence they have
"Whatever evidence that may or may not exist does not come back to Bush," said Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper.
Police sources have told Local 4 that Bush's suicide scene is suspicious and may have actually been a murder.
They know he had a drawing of a tortured boy that closely resembled victim Mark Stebbins. Ropes were found in his closest. He had a blue Vega car which looked like the infamous blue Gremlin spotted at one of the abductions.
None of that matters because investigators now tell Local 4 Bush did not commit the murders. Someone else did and that suspect is still alive. The suspect will be arrested very soon if prosecutors get the right kind of DNA match.
When we're going in and arguing for a conviction to a jury, we're generally going in there with something referred to as autosomal DNA and that is generally DNA with statistical analysis to the 15th power," said Walton. "That is like on in a quadrillion ... 15 zeros after that."
Prosecutors can't talk about who they are seeking because it is against the law to discuss a grand jury investigation. However, listen to what prosecutors have to say and you can decide if the killer is still alive.
"We are a prosecutor's office that is looking to bring a case to the light of a courtroom for potential prosecution and to hold someone accountable," said Walton.
"They're going forward and they've made a lot of steps," said Cooper. "Momentous steps."
The prosecutors are on a manhunt for someone who is alive. They have been beefing up the task force and getting results.
"Looking at physical evidence, sending physical evidence to the lab, looking at things freshly," said Cooper.
The prosecutors also want to clear up misinformation on evidence in the case. They confirm four child victims all had white dog hair found on them, but none of the white hairs are from the same animal.
"And then when that was expanded out to potentially other suspects, there hasn't been any consistency in animal hairs other than it is white animal hair, period," said Walton.
Not only are the children not connected by the same white dog hairs, the carpet fibers believed to have been on all four victims are not necessarily from the same carpet. They are just similar in color.
"The scientists are telling me it means exactly that. It's in the same optical plane. It's in the same color scheme," said Walton.
The shotgun shell in Bush's room cannot be matched with the caliber used to kill Jill Robinson.
"They even took it to NASA to try and see if they could get an identification of the caliber and there was no way in which they could do that," said Cooper.
Prosecutors also say they have tracked down the scientist who analyzed the ropes found at the home of suspect Bush.
"He conclusively told us that he was aware of these facts and that had there been any blood on that rope or ligature he would have sent it on to the evidence unit," said Walton.
The prosecutors say the families of the victims and media outlets continuing to push Bush as the Oakland County Child Killer have misinterpreted public documents and have not seen the real evidence.
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"Rescuing one animal may not change the world, but for that animal their world is changed forever!" - Unknown
For every murdered child
We fly with all prevailing winds of change,
For any quirk of fate we may arrange.
We are not "meek" or "mild";
Don't turn your back when twilight dims the sky -
We'll haunt the perpetrators till they Die
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Wow that is crazy......however; I'm glad progress is being made. If Bush did not do this then the real killer has been walking free among us (shudders since I grew up near there) I don't think the family cares at this point who is guilty they just want to know for sure who did it and see that the person responsible is held accountable for what they did. I can easily see how Bush makes a great suspect. Hell I was leaning that way by what we know.
It's amazing what science can tell us now days. It almost looks like whoever did this set it up to look like someone else by using white animal hair with each kid, similar carpet fibers ect. I mean back then they didn't have all the fancy analysis to be able to say no these are not from the same source. So a killer could use different sources to make it appear the same. I bet the killer never in a million years thought that one day technology would prove his guilt.
Obviously the suspect is very much alive. I cannot wait to see exactly what proof they have (if the DNA matches you know they got their man) and what will go down once they bring him in. It should be interesting to say the least to finally watch this mystery unravel.
The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children." Dietrich Bonhoeffer
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Such as all 4 had white dog hair on them BUT the dog hair was from 4 diff white dogshave lots of good new stuff released
All had carpet fibers but the carpet fibers were all diff,,really weird stuff coming out
"Rescuing one animal may not change the world, but for that animal their world is changed forever!" - Unknown
For every murdered child
We fly with all prevailing winds of change,
For any quirk of fate we may arrange.
We are not "meek" or "mild";
Don't turn your back when twilight dims the sky -
We'll haunt the perpetrators till they Die
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