'The devil is here, boy, the devil himself'

[Rosie]

I haven't posted on this website in a long time but when I read this today in CNN I felt the need to share with folks that think and feel the way I do about - there isn't even a name for this evil man - and the devil is too good, he is a very very distrubed individual. When I read this story I picked up my son's picture and kissed it and ask God to protect him from evil like this. I was familiar with the story of Shasta and her brother but didn't know what had come of it and then I saw this. I hope and pray that he is killed Dalmer style in prison.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/21/duncan.slayings.ap/index.html

[Athena]

Relying on God is the backup plan...Right? :)

I was taught to fight, and fight HARD. My parents explained to me at a very young age to be fearless in the face of the danger that comes in the form of an abductor. They taught me to never listen to an abductor and that, if he got me into a car, I'd be dead anyway. Groin shots, eyeball pokeage, scratching, kicking and screaming. My dad would say, "Be so awful, he doesn't want to take you, anymore."

There's nothing wrong with turning your child into a little savage who can take out an adult, so long as they understand that the behavior is only for extreme circumstances.

This story has been absolutely horrific. I read that article earlier, and reading about the frustration and anger their father exhibited when people in the court audience stayed to watch the video of his son being tortured...It absolutely breaks my heart.

[Zora]

Truly heartbreaking ...

and more evidence that, when a person is determined to be a pedophile, he should be "put down", like a rabid animal.

Just my opinion.

[celtic friend]

The DP is just too good for him.
First off, he should have never been released before. Slade and Dylan should still be alive, and so should their Mother and her B/F.
I wish there was a special way to execute him so he could suffer somehow.

[Sarabei]

That sick BASTARD!!! I pray he gets death....slow, horrible death!!

[Dakota Valkyrie]

"You people really don't have any clue yet of the true heinousness of what I've done."


Jury rules Duncan eligible for death penalty
http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_082208IDN_duncan_jury_decision_LJ.98c09d.html

On Thursday prosecutors played three graphic videotapes of Duncan torturing Dylan Groene at a remote cabin Montana.

Several jurors cried and others looked away while the videos were shown in court.
Duncan objected to the videos being played, telling Judge Lodge they "will turn jurors into my victims and I will be tried by a jury of my victims, not a jury of my peers."


:whoo::whoo::whoo::whoo::whoo::whoo::whoo::whoo::w hoo::whoo::whoo::whoo::whoo::whoo::whoo::whoo:

[Piper]

First of all Duncan is a raving lunatic. That being said- I think he was in his right mind when he committed those murders and torture. It is scary how demented a person can become when he is left unchecked by society and their own conscience.

[impqueen]

I told Rosie earlier today that there's a reason Jet Duncan is not on our front page.

Simply put, I can't write it. Just cannot physically make myself do it. I suppose every crimeblogger has one - or maybe not, but I do, and this is that case for me. I do not have the mental, emotional or physical resources to write on this case, even though I have followed it since 2005. Just reading about it gives me nightmares and panic attacks, so no thanks. Nope, just no, no thank you.

So don't ask. :)

[Dakota Valkyrie]

I won't call him Jet - That's the name he gave himself to sound "cool". Burns my butt. Few folks actually called him that. He was introduced to my family as Joe. He makes me furiously ill.

[celtic friend]

I totally know where you are coming from Imp. Andrea Yates was that for me.
It just bothers you so much, you need to put it out of your head.:(

[Athena]

I sympathize, Imp. I mean, I'm not exactly known for my overwhelming levels of compassion, and I doubt that I could bring myself to recount the details of this case. It is for that reason that I was especially stricken by this portion of the article:

Steven Groene left the courtroom just before the video was played. Before he did he approached some spectators, angrily motioning them out and making an obscene gesture when they stayed put. At one point he threatened to make a citizen's arrest of anyone watching, saying viewing child pornography is a crime.

Once the video had been shown and he returned to the courtroom, Groene confronted some of those who had stayed, asking bitterly if they enjoyed it.

I feel for those jurors, too. Having to watch that video has undoubtedly stolen a piece of their souls. They'll be haunted by those sounds and images, which they never asked for, for the rest of their lives...All in the name of civic duty. No good deed goes unpunished, right?

[impqueen]

I won't call him Jet - That's the name he gave himself to sound "cool". Burns my butt. Few folks actually called him that. He was introduced to my family as Joe. He makes me furiously ill.

Did I know that you knew Duncan? I think I knew that, but hell. I dunno.

Honestly, it's the stupidest thing, but I actually get memory loss around this case. I've forgotten like four times that he was in the sentencing phase. I know that sounds crazy, but once I'm finished getting dizzy and panicky and forgetting what my body feels like and generally wigging out after reading about him, I totally forget about it until the next time.

But still I follow the case, because I so want Shasta to someday be okay, even a little bit okay. I can't imagine she'll ever, ever be fully herself again.

So pretend I don't know how you knew him, and tell me anyway.

[impqueen]

Athena, i just have to wonder how they screened the jurors. I can't imagine.

I don't think anyone blames Steve Groene for doing what he did in the courtroom. I know you don't, and I sure don't. I don't think anyone with a soul could.

[Gilbrit]

The only way I can keep up with this story is to read it in small amounts and
be purely analytical about it.

As much as I want the sick bastard dead, I want him to suffer beyond what he inflicted on his victims. He needs to be alive for that. :(
I hope the jury will act in the best judgment for Shasta's recovery.
Will having him live do more harm, for her recovery than having him die?

[Just my luck sucks]

[I feel for those jurors, too. Having to watch that video has undoubtedly stolen a piece of their souls. They'll be haunted by those sounds and images, which they never asked for, for the rest of their lives...All in the name of civic duty. No good deed goes unpunished, right? ]

I feel this way too. I personally can not understand anyone wanting to watch that gruesome video. The Judge should have cleared the courtroom--if anything at least out of respect for the Groene family.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

So pretend I don't know how you knew him, and tell me anyway.I never met him except walked by him in the entryway of a relative's apartment... Does that count? Now it seems too close for comfort.

He was just "Joe - the guy who lived upstairs" at the time and was rarely a topic of discussion before all this. He was a computer science majorat one of the local colleges. Guess he was smart because he made the Dean's List and a member of national honor society (Phi Kappa Phi).

Duncan lived in a 4-plex where my brother-in-law's ex wife lived with her son (by previous marriage). She moved in after the public meetings about him and didn't check things out.

On occasion, he invited the boy (then 10) upstairs with excuses like playing chess or games or something. His mother never allowed it. Duncan asked her several times to exchange keys "in case of emergency" while either of them were gone. She nicely "hell no"ed that idea. He mostly kept to himself so she so she pretty much wrote him off as a kook but harmless.

A blurb in the paper mentioned that he attempted to molest 2 boys in a town near here in "lakes country". Someone called her and told her about it. That was all she needed to hear. Everyone had her moved out in less than 4 hours.

He had been brought to our area by a local (but no longer living here) doctor who "believed in his heart" that Duncan had changed. They had somehow become acquainted while Duncan was in prison (I don't recall how). He went before the parole board in WA and spoke for his release and release plans. Initially, the good doctor had Duncan LIVING HIS HOME with his kids until he got a place of his own and a job.

When Duncan was charged in Minnesota, the doctor paid his bail. Just before a hearing date, he loaned him $6,500 for a lawyer. Duncan took the money and ran off for parts then unknown. Sadly, the rest is history.

I never met him, knew of him before this all happened, and was scared shitless to think a molester unknowingly lived so close to a "family member". Even more horrified when we found out the full extent of his evil.

Mind-you-me, every family member has since checked the offender registry and we monitor it. Weirdly enough, I even live in a house where a different current RSO once lived. I hope he has no longings for the old neighborhood...

I don't don't call him Jet because in no way shape or form do i want to buy into his thinking he's "cool".

[Athena]

Athena, i just have to wonder how they screened the jurors. I can't imagine.

Really. You know, I've actually never been called for jury duty, and have always thought that, if and when I do, I'd go without complaint. But you don't know what case you're being drawn for, and cases like this make me want to backflip through flaming hoops to avoid that shit out of paranoia...in fear for my sanity.

I don't think anyone blames Steve Groene for doing what he did in the courtroom. I know you don't, and I sure don't. I don't think anyone with a soul could.

God, no. I can't imagine how that man functions enough to do what he did in the first place. I mean, I could see two outcomes for me as the parent of those kids - a blubbering mass of incompetent grief, or simply catatonic. The fact that he was able to regulate his anger speaks VOLUMES about his character, and the human condition in general.

[Concerned Citizen]

Ugh! I remember hearing about this when it first happened, but I don't know why I never heard anything else. I try to steer away from the network news as much as I can. Just makes me too angry and sad.

In trying to catch up, I read the wikipedia entry for this monster and dared go no further. I don't think I want to know the rest. Just reading what I did on wiki makes we want to strangle him with my bare hands.

What disturbs me, almost as much as Duncan himself, is the douchebag, Joe Crary, who bailed Duncan out in 2005 and the "ghostblogger" who continues to make posts to Duncan's disgusting blog. WTF!!!???!!!

I hope these two realize, by supporting this maniac, they have blood on their hands. I hope all three live the most horrible life possible in this plane AND in the next (whatever that may be). We can only hope that reincarnation is real and that all three of these bastards are brought back for the specific purpose of being victims to the same horrors they have committed and/or assisted in committing in this life.

I don't blame you one bit for not wanting to delve into this, Imp. My hands are shaking and my stomach is in knots from what little I've learned about this so far. I don't even know if I'm expressing coherent thoughts in this post, but I had to get it out.

Even though I don't necessarily know what I believe when it comes to heaven and hell, I DO believe in balance. The evil these assholes have put out there will eventually come back to them - in one way, shape, or form.

[andrea]

Have any of you checked out his blog?

http://5nrevelations.blogspot.com/

Apparently he writes the posts and mails them to an anonymous blogger who then posts them unedited on his blog.

In his blog "We Need Tougher Sex Crimes (Uh,…laws)" he blames all of us parents who attempt to protect our children for the crimes commited against them. He says that by insisting sex offenders be punished we are forcing pedos to commit more violence and crimes against little ones as pedos have to always have the upper hand and be in control.

O.K. You fucking piece of shit! Say I go along with you on your assertion that punishment only reinforces pedophilia. As we can't stand by and let our children be raped, tortured, and murdered and since pedos feel the need to escalate their behavior to be "in control", that leaves only one option...All convicted pedos should be executed. Really it's the only logical answer. I'm all for it! In fact I think we should have a national "Whack a Pedo" day.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Apparently he writes the posts and mails them to an anonymous blogger who then posts them unedited on his blog.
Looks like he must have been a bit busy... no posts in over 2 years.

I’ve said it a million times and I’ll say it again, “the only cure for crime is Love. Everything else is just more crime!”
Damn! Now Duncan thinks I'm a criminal. He tards himself.

[andrea]

Looks like he must have been a bit busy... no posts in over 2 years.

Heh. I misread the date and thought it said 2008 instead of 2006. Wonder if his anonymous blogger is now in jail too. One would have to be a pedo to post that kind of crap and they would have to be vicious to post something from a homicidal maniac like Duncan (Ugg..That's my son's name.). Hopefully his anon blogger is dead and hopefully sometime soon he is too!

[RaVen Blackehart]

http://i39.tinypic.com/6teakp.jpg


WOLF LODGE BAY, Idaho - Bringing to an end a dark chapter in Northwest history, crews tore down the home where Joseph Duncan began his nightmarish 2005 killing spree that left four family members dead.

The house, which had become a macabre local reminder of the killings, was demolished before dawn Saturday morning by Idaho Transportation Department crews.

Duncan burst into the house in May 2005 and beat three family members to death with a hammer so he could kidnap and molest two children, Shasta Groene, then 8, and Dylan Groene, then 9. The little boy was later murdered at a remote campsite in Montana; Shasta was rescued and returned to her father.

Killed in the home were Dylan and Shasta's older brother, Slade Groene, 13, the children's mother, Brenda Groene, and her fiance, Mark McKenzie.

Following a federal trial in Boise, Duncan was sentenced to the death penalty for the kidnapping and killing of Dylan Groene. He had previously confessed to the killings in Wolf Lodge Bay in a Kootenai County courtroom.

Idaho transportation officials said they scheduled the pre-dawn demolition in order to avoid any attention.

Attorneys say they no longer need the house for evidence in the case against Duncan, who has received his final sentences in federal and state courts - nine life terms in prison on top of three death sentences.

The Idaho Transportation Department bought the property from the McKenzie family and plans to use it for wetlands. The boarded-up home is plainly visible from I-90.

http://www.komonews.com/news/35660194.html

[Morgana]

I can't say much to this. The pain and sadness burned into your soul after reading about this case and not even knowing the crime in its entirety, just what's been released---is too much. The thought of a young boy tortured and his sister as well AFTER knowing their family has been killed and then Shasta seeing-experiencing this-then witnessing the torture and murder of her baby brother....fucking kills me. It kills me that I am human and trapped in this body with my daily responsibilities.... and that I can't brake free and track evil such as Duncan, rip 'em apart, do unto them as they have done and devour their being-- sending them to my depths of hell... If I can come back, if I can have a do-over, please let me be a walking angel to prey on evil...the angel of death - angel of vengence, I would kill them all...

[silvahalo68]

It's a terribly haunting case, one that gets under your skin. I understand entirely Imp your feelings on this. There are just some that not only change your soul but taint it...best to not go there. Every time I a read a bit here and there I learn more, more horror that is.

But in all my readings the thing that struck me the most, was the resilient nature of Shasta. She is a mighty soul, so remarkable. She's a survivor, literately but also in the sense that she is going on with her life. Children are so incredibly resilient and Shasta is the epitome of that. I see in her eyes a passion, a fire to live beyond the horror her young life has experienced. In all her pictures, I can see what that bastard could never take, her true innocence. She has the light of a young girl in her eyes, sad yes, but not tortured. I rejoice in the fact that she will prevail and overcome her nightmare....at least that is my prayer for her and my hope she will find a peace so exquisite, that the past will be but a distant memory. Be happy, live well Shasta...my prayers are with you.
"Actually doing better than I would have expected and she has from day one. She's getting ready to start junior high and she's grown a lot in the past couple years, she doesn't look like that little baby-faced girl in the pictures anymore. She's turned into a very beautiful young woman and hopefully this isn't anything that's going to ruin her life," said Steve Groene.
http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-apr1507-groene.11b973b7.html

Shasta Groene

http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/M_IMAGE.1047004b7dd.93.88.fa.7c.68863a12.jpg

[Morgana]

Those are beautiful hopes and I too wish them true. BUT

Surviviors always do well at first....then they grow up and realize that the hauting comes back, it didn't really leave and it poisons the rest of their life...then they need to learn how to survive all over again!!!! They have kids and then have trouble relating to certain situations, memories start kicking in....oh shit...you're fucked up and losing it all over again! You feel victimized years years later!!!! You feel guilty, you question what you learned and suddenly, you aren't strong anymore.... It's Fucking bullshit and it sucks!

Sorry, let me not ruin the good hopes and prayers that she'll be OK. I just can't believe she will. This was just way too evil...

[silvahalo68]

Those are beautiful hopes and I too wish them true. BUT

Surviviors always do well at first....then they grow up and realize that the hauting comes back, it didn't really leave and it poisons the rest of their life...then they need to learn how to survive all over again!!!! They have kids and then have trouble relating to certain situations, memories start kicking in....oh shit...you're fucked up and losing it all over again! You feel victimized years years later!!!! You feel guilty, you question what you learned and suddenly, you aren't strong anymore.... It's Fucking bullshit and it sucks!

Sorry, let me not ruin the good hopes and prayers that she'll be OK. I just can't believe she will. This was just way too evil...

I guess I'm just trying to be hopeful and have some faith....I know, she's in for a hard ride, but still I think she has a fighting chance with the right support and people in her life.
If I can come back, if I can have a do-over, please let me be a walking angel to prey on evil...the angel of death - angel of vengence, I would kill them all... ...I'm totally with you on this, you know how I feel...

[flawed_existence]

Good news that the house where the crimes began has been demolished. Kudos to the Idaho DOT for buying the land. Their wetlands plan is a perfect way to re-use what seems like tainted ground. If we abandon or memorialize every place where a tragedy occurs, we'd have no place to live. But still, it seems somehow wrong to just keep on as though nothing happened 'there'.

This is a bad case. Bad in a way that seems to go to a different level of evil than most crimes. I understand your feelings Imp.