Earnest, Windie, and Elizabeth Perry: WTF?!?

[Jaded]

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CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. - A grand jury has indicted a Clarksville couple and their adult daughter on child abuse charges, and authorities have removed five children from their home.


Indictments returned by the Montgomery County grand jury and released Thursday charged 65-year-old Earnest Perry, 51-year-old Windie Perry and 20-year-old Elizabeth Perry with eight counts each of aggravated child abuse.


Court clerk officials say the women were also charged with two counts of rape of a child and two counts of aggravated rape.


The suspects are accused of abusing two girls younger than 13 between May 2006 and March 2008.


A Children's Services Department spokesman said five adopted children of the Perrys' have been in state custody since the investigation.


http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/11/couple-daughter-charged-abusing-children/


Nothing like spending quality time together as a family, huh??
I'm still digging for some info on these fucks....

[Lizard]

She looks awfully...pale...to be their daughter. I'm guessing the relationship is not a biological one?

[Jaded]

She looks awfully...pale...to be their daughter. I'm guessing the relationship is not a biological one?

Yeah...I don't see much of a family resemblance there.

[impqueen]

i'm front paging it. Thanks, Jaded! :)

[Ruby]

She looks awfully...pale...to be their daughter. I'm guessing the relationship is not a biological one?

The article says 5 adopted children of the couple's have been in state custody since the investigation began, so it's sounding like this couple has adopted a boatload of kids over the years -- presumably Elizabeth is included in that tally.

Makes me wonder what happened to all of these kids as they came up. Doesn't really surprise me to hear the 20 year old child is participating in the abuse, she was probably raised on it. :(

[sherrz]

That's a pretty rough looking 20 year old, and I agree with you, Ruby, it's easy to fall in line doing something when you don't know any other way :(

[SoUncool]

http://www.theleafchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080802/NEWS01/808020337/1002/news01

They had a court appearance on Friday.


The Perrys were read their charges in Judge John H. Gasaway's court. All three have been charged with eight counts of aggravated child abuse. Windie and Elizabeth Perry also face two counts of rape of a child and two counts of aggravated rape.

Elizabeth Perry spoke softly as Gasaway read each charge and asked her about her financial status. He appointed Jeffry Grimes as her attorney.

Windie Perry appeared in court with a large Bible as she waited for her case to be called. Using a cane, she made her way up to the podium. Gasaway appointed Frank J. Runyon III to be her attorney.

Earnest Perry was appointed Public Defender Collier Goodlett. Goodlett waived a formal arraignment and reserved entering a plea.

All three are scheduled to have their cases settled on Oct. 14.

Lund filed a motion after the arraignment, asking that the medical records of the victims, two girls younger than 13, be sealed for review.

Gasaway granted the motion.

On two counts, the three are accused of inflicting "bodily injuries and said acts of abuse were especially heinous, atrocious, cruel and involved the infliction of torture to the victim," according to the indictment.

Windie and Elizabeth Perry are accused of using an object to rape the girls between January and March 2008, the indictment said.

[nurseronda]

The Judge needed to stick both items up her ass. Imagine that, bringing a Bible to a court hearing. If she can rely on the Bible now, why didn't she open it before she help commit rape and torture to these small children? It might have given her a clue that raping and torturing children was wrong. :angry:

[Dakota Valkyrie]

She's probably one of those that only carries a bible and never cracks it open... unless she needs it press flowers in.

[Aelwynn]

Maybe it's just me...but anyone else consider that "object" might be the damn cane she is using?

As for the bible and cane toting, sympathy vote much?

[Dakota Valkyrie]

The family accused of physically torturing and sexually abusing two of their adopted children will be going to trial in April 2011.

Windie Perry, 53, her husband Earnest L. Perry, 67, and their adopted daughter Elizabeth Perry, 22, are all charged with several of counts of aggravated child abuse, especially aggravated kidnapping and child abuse and neglect.

Windie and Elizabeth Perry also face eight counts of child rape and four counts of aggravated rape.

Kimberly Lund, assistant district attorney announced Tuesday in Judge John H. Gasaway's court that the State would be proceeding at trial on more than 50 counts on the three defendants.

A trial date is set for April 25, 2011 and was previously expected to be about a week-long.

The Perrys are accused of such acts as tying the two girls to a cot with ropes, handcuffs and chains to confine them, beating the girls with a rubber hose, an extension cord and with poles and belts which resulted in disfigurement and numerous other specific acts of torture and sexual abuse.
http://www.theleafchronicle.com/article/20100701/CRIME/7010313

[navsec]

strange case. normally in these severe cases if you dig you can find out more details which corroborate the accusations, like instruments of abuse being confiscated from the home by police, or at the least there's a reference to officers' observations when they get to the home and so forth, but i couldnt find anything like that. there was a reference to disfigurement but that could be anything...

my hunch is this will be a not-guilty

[MadeaBecBec]

Jury selection in the trial of a Clarksville foster family accused of beating and torturing two of their adopted children began Monday morning in Judge John H. Gasaway's court.

Questionnaires were given to potential jurors Monday, and the process resumes Thursday. Gasaway previously said a jury will be selected by Thursday and opening statements will begin Monday, April 25, at 8:30 a.m.
Windie Perry, 53, her husband Earnest L. Perry, 67, and their adopted daughter Elizabeth Perry, 22, are all charged with several counts of aggravated child abuse, especially aggravated kidnapping and child abuse and neglect. Windie and Elizabeth Perry also face several counts of child rape and aggravated rape.
The alleged victims were two of six foster children under the Perrys' care.

http://www.theleafchronicle.com/article/20110419/CRIME/104190336/1002/news01/COURT-ROUNDUP-Jury-selection-begins-child-rape-abuse-trial

Two victims, several witnesses!!

[oxfordhomecare]

Judge much? People like you are the reason our justice system is so screwed up. It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. I see that some of you have already determined the guilt of these three AND you have NO IDEA what the case is even about!! Elizabeth was adopted as an infant - hence no resemblance. The 2 girls that these charges are about are not babies...they were teenagers at the time of these allegations. They were adopted as infants by this couple. This couple has fostered hundreds of kids. Besides Elizabeth, they have 5 other adopted children. The alleged abuse only took place over a 2 year time period and only to these 2 teenage girls. Stop and think - why are they the only 2 that are saying anything happened? Why can the investigators find NO other children out of the hundreds that can substantiate the allegations? Since when does not one, not two but three people ALL decide to suddenly begin abusing 2 children that were never abused in the past? Those of you that have determined the guilt of the Perry's before knowing all of the facts should be warned - the same thing can happen to you. Do you have kids? Well, all it takes is for your child to get mad at you and accuse you of something to get even with you - then the system steps in and you're rocking in the boat with the Perry's. And don't sit there and think - oh that doesn't happen to people like me. Because the Perry's are people JUST LIKE YOU!

And just so all of you who found them guilty before the trial knows - the DA's office dismissed all charges on April 20, 2011. After almost 3 years, the DA has finally run out of excuses to postpone this case. If they had any real evidence, they would have been in front of a judge a long time ago. In the end, these two girls probably made all this up - the adults probably wouldn't let them have boyfriends or stay out late or some other nonsense that makes teenagers mad these days. And to get even, these two girls made up some stuff so they could have their way.

And, yes, I know from experience how teenagers act. I have a niece that made up stories about her mother so she could go to foster care where they would give her $100 a week and let her do most of what she pleased....at 14!! And did I forget to mention, I deal with teenagers everyday in my job....they all have ideas about how to get their way with parents....most of the time it involves false accusations made to a teacher. And many end up in foster homes for it....even when it's not the truth....

Think about the Perry's and what I've said the next time your daughter wants to date at 13 years old, or the next time your son wants to stay out past midnight with some "friends" you don't approve of - and he's only 12.

[Tundratot]

I have a niece that made up stories about her mother so she could go to foster care where they would give her $100 a week and let her do most of what she pleased....at 14!!Wow! That's quite a racket. Are you saying that the foster parents give her $100 a week, or the system gives the foster parents $100 a week to care for her? I think it's more likely to be the latter, because I doubt seriously that most foster parents buy into the idea that kids need that kind of allowance. Hell, if my daughter heard that she'd get $100 a week, she'd probably want to go into foster care too.


People like you are the reason our justice system is so screwed up. It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.
Ah, there's the problem. You have mistaken this forum for a court of law. It's not.


Why can the investigators find NO other children out of the hundreds that can substantiate the allegations?This is news to me. How am I supposed to know this? As far as I know, the investigators have found dozens of witnesses and maybe even more victims. Perhaps you think I work in the court system or in the prosecutor's office?

[brokenandtwisted]

oxfordhomecare

I find it extremely disturbing that anyone can foster "hundreds" of children. System is fucked if you're telling the truth. Completely fucked.

[Nell]

And just so all of you who found them guilty before the trial knows - the DA's office dismissed all charges on April 20, 2011.

I want to see a link, cause i don't believe you.

[biteme]

oxfordhomecare

I find it extremely disturbing that anyone can foster "hundreds" of children. System is fucked if you're telling the truth. Completely fucked.
But we already knew it's fucked up

[biteme]

Seems they'll be coming right back
"Lund said it's far from over; she plans to obtain a reindictment in the May term of the grand jury".
http://www.theleafchronicle.com/article/20110421/NEWS01/104210314/Legal-woes-snag-child-rape-case
The alleged victims were two of the Perrys' six adopted children. The Perrys were accused of beating and neglecting the now 16- and 14-year-old girls, to extents that would constitute torture.

Assistant District Attorney Kimberly Lund filed a motion to nolle — or dismiss without prejudice — all cases against Windie, Earnest and Elizabeth Perry.

Though the case is not being prosecuted now, Lund said it's far from over; she plans to obtain a reindictment in the May term of the grand jury.

Lund said errors were found in the indictment, and several counts would have been dismissed.

"These young victims deserve to have a jury hear each and every thing that happened to them and make a decision on each and every thing that happened to them. The only way to make sure they got the chance to tell the whole story was to nolle prosequi the indictment and redo it with every count in total compliance with the law."

[DamagedGoods]

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/416cd6185e7e48a9b24c8aa6a2cbc9f7/TN--Abuse-Charges/


Assistant District Attorney Kimberly Lund says errors were found in the indictment which would have resulted in dismissal of several counts.

Lund says she will seek new indictments when a county grand jury convenes in May.


Oh my... the charges were dropped yes, but not due to a lack of evidence; but due to errors in the original filings. I guess I know why you didn't bother to back up your claims with any reports.

I'm also with Broken on being disturbed by one couple fostering HUNDREDS of kids. Tell me, did each of those hundreds of kids get $100 a week?

[princessgrandma]

The Perrys are accused of such acts as tying the two girls to a cot with ropes, handcuffs and chains to confine them, beating the girls with a rubber hose, an extension cord and with poles and belts which resulted in disfigurement and numerous other specific acts of torture and sexual abuse.

OK, so the charges were dropped b/c there were errors in the indictment, not b/c it was proven they didn't do it. If things were done to these kids that resulted in disfigurement, wouldn't that be just a little hard to fake? This couple is being re-indicted. There HAS to be something substantial to the charges.

I'm not trying to be a smartass. I would seriously like to know how someone could fake disfigurement to prove a bogus charge of abuse against someone.

[Alf]

Judge much? People like you are the reason our justice system is so screwed up.

"Kettle, this is Pot . . . ."


It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.

No; it is supposed to be the accused are entitled to a presumption of innocence before the court before they are found guilty. As Tundratot so helpfully pointed out, this is not a court of law.


The alleged abuse only took place over a 2 year time period and only to these 2 teenage girls. Stop and think - why are they the only 2 that are saying anything happened? Why can the investigators find NO other children out of the hundreds that can substantiate the allegations? Since when does not one, not two but three people ALL decide to suddenly begin abusing 2 children that were never abused in the past?

It happens. We frequently see stories here where one or two children out of a household are the subjects of abuse. (For a historical look at the phenomenon, read up on Sylvia Likens (http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/showthread.php?21190-Sylvia-Marie-Likens-tortured-amp-murdered-by-Gertrude-Baniszewski).) We also frequently see stories where a new entry in the household sets off abusive behavior in that household.

There are too many of those stories for me to remember.


--Al

Nell so she can keep the mention

[carolinablue]

Oh dear. here we go again; I should just c&p this, I use it so often

People like you are the reason our justice system is so screwed up. It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.

Innocent until proven guilty is a concept applicable only in a court of law, where the accused must be convicted beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty. It has nothing to do with public opinion, discussion and/or our individual beliefs. During voir dire each prospective juror is asked not what they have heard or read, but whether they can put that aside and judge innocence or guilt solely on the evidence presented. Defense lawyers are very good at ferreting out preconceptions on the part of a prospective juror. I've seen it done and it's fascinating. I've also seen defendants skate on reasonable doubt.


the DA's office dismissed all charges on April 20, 2011

Would you please provide a link? If anyone featured on this site is exonerated, we publish that too. I'm not taking your word for a damn thing because *see above* you're an ignorant, heartless jerk. IF the DA dismissed the charges, did he do so with prejudice? That means the person cannot be tried on those charges again. Dismissed without prejudice means the charges can be filed again if more evidence is found.





The alleged abuse only took place over a 2 year time period and only to these 2 teenage girls. Stop and think - why are they the only 2 that are saying anything happened

Only took place for two years? How dare you say that the length of abuse has one goddam thing to do with the trauma inflicted on these girls? Are you saying that being raped for only two years should be treated as less awful than three or five years?That it's somehow better, less life-changing than being raped for three or five years? Are we now quantifying pain, suffering and a lifetime of PTSD? You are an ignorant, heartless jerk.


why are they the only 2 that are saying anything happened? Why can the investigators find NO other children out of the hundreds that can substantiate the allegations?

It is not at all unusual for only only one child to be singled out for abuse, it's very common. Maybe the nasty anal extrusions only found these two sexy enough to rape; I can't fathom the mind of child abusers, so I don't know. Read some of the child abuse stories here instead of slobbering all over this thread; you'll find many, many stories of one child singled out for rape, molestation, beating, burning, starving and many other atrocities.

Just go away before I forget I'm a fuckin' lady, you make my teeth hurt.

[walkingeagle]

And did I forget to mention, I deal with teenagers everyday in my job. I gather it may be time for you to seek another way to leech your dollars!

[badfish76]

Dismissed without prejudice means that the charges can be picked back up at any time, like if the papers are refiled correctly or more information/evidence becomes available.

I would also like to point out that many times one or two children are scape goats AND many pedos have an age preference. The other children may have grown to have been it the preferred range or could have been the wrong gender. Despite what people think pedos mostly do not indiscriminately grope all children. They have preferences and tastes just like any other sexual orientation. (PUKE) They also become adept at spotting the children that are easiest to groom or have certain personality traits.

Where is my favorite catch phrase in all that mess?? Cuz God is gonna judge them someday and I think I know what he will have to say.

Oh and so you don't have to just take my word for it:


Dismissal without Prejudice

A dismissal without prejudice that permits the reindictment or retrial of a defendant on the same charge at a subsequent date may be granted by a court acting sua sponte or after the prosecuting attorney has made a motion to do so. Only nonconstitutional grounds that do not adversely affect the rights of the defendant, such as the crowding of court calendars, might be sufficient to warrant the dismissal of a criminal action without prejudice.

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/dismissal#ixzz1KaHEeq9w

http://http://www.answers.com/topic/dismissal

[oxfordhomecare]

Oh dear. here we go again; I should just c&p this, I use it so often


Innocent until proven guilty is a concept applicable only in a court of law, where the accused must be convicted beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty. It has nothing to do with public opinion, discussion and/or our individual beliefs. During voir dire each prospective juror is asked not what they have heard or read, but whether they can put that aside and judge innocence or guilt solely on the evidence presented. Defense lawyers are very good at ferreting out preconceptions on the part of a prospective juror. I've seen it done and it's fascinating. I've also seen defendants skate on reasonable doubt.



Would you please provide a link? If anyone featured on this site is exonerated, we publish that too. I'm not taking your word for a damn thing because *see above* you're an ignorant, heartless jerk. IF the DA dismissed the charges, did he do so with prejudice? That means the person cannot be tried on those charges again. Dismissed without prejudice means the charges can be filed again if more evidence is found.






Only took place for two years? How dare you say that the length of abuse has one goddam thing to do with the trauma inflicted on these girls? Are you saying that being raped for only two years should be treated as less awful than three or five years?That it's somehow better, less life-changing than being raped for three or five years? Are we now quantifying pain, suffering and a lifetime of PTSD? You are an ignorant, heartless jerk.



It is not at all unusual for only only one child to be singled out for abuse, it's very common. Maybe the nasty anal extrusions only found these two sexy enough to rape; I can't fathom the mind of child abusers, so I don't know. Read some of the child abuse stories here instead of slobbering all over this thread; you'll find many, many stories of one child singled out for rape, molestation, beating, burning, starving and many other atrocities.

Just go away before I forget I'm a fuckin' lady, you make my teeth hurt.

Well it's obvious by your language here that you are far from being a lady.

Also, please learn to read so that you can fully understand what I said before you cuss me out and call me names. I DID NOT say that "being abused for 2 years has anything to do with the trauma inflicted" My POINT was that an abuser does not wake up one morning after 10, 12, 13 years and decide to become an abuser. My POINT was that THREE people don't just wake up one morning and decide to become abusers! My POINT was why is it that ALL OF A SUDDEN, OUT OF NO WHERE, THREE people are being accused of abuse.

Also, to those of you who are talking about this not being a court of law...you're right, it's not. But it's people like everyone on this forum and reading this post that sit on jury's everyday. People who have made up their minds without knowing the WHOLE STORY! The only reason that any of you are saying things like that is because you have never been wrongly accused of something.

To walking eagle - Leech my dollars? What exactly is that supposed to mean? Just because I stated fact - there are plenty of kids out there that make up stuff against their parents to get their parents in trouble to get their way, that makes me a leech?

And to carolinablue - you are deluding yourself if you thing that people are convicted solely based on the evidence Most defense lawyers are assigned by the court and don't really give a damn if you are found guilty or innocent. They still get paid the same amount whether they do their job or not. They are paid by the same government that is prosecuting you!!!

And why am I heartless jerk? Because I find it hard to swallow that all of a sudden, THREE people supposedly woke up one morning and decided to become abusers? They never abused anyone (if they had it would have been brought out by now) before these two girls. And they never abused them prior to the 2 years in question. They've had these girls since they were infants. Why have they not "tortured" them their whole lives?

To Alf - You're right, there are alot of cases where only one child is singled out for abuse. There also alot of cases where a new addition sets off the abuser. HOWEVER, in this case, there were no new additions to set off the abuser. Also, when one child is singled out for abuse it normally takes place the ENTIRE time they are with the abuser. The abuser doesn't wait 12 years to start abusing them. AND it is usually at the hands of ONLY ONE abuser....NOT at the hands of THREE abusers ALL accused of beginning the abuse at the same time!

To Princessgrandma - They say they are going to re-indict. That does not mean they will. Also, this case has been in the court system for over 3 YEARS now. If the prosecution had enough hard evidence to convict, they wouldn't have waited this long. And, there were over 60 charges brought against them, it doesn't make sense to drop ALL the charges over the wording of a few. It is a ploy to buy themselves more time and still look good in the eyes of the public.

To Damagedgoods - If you read ALL the reports, it has been reported that the couple fostered hundreds of kids spanning the course of many years. And did those kids get $100? How the hell should I know? All I do know is that the "system" where I live DID in fact give my niece $100 a week during the time she was in foster care. And it was another foster kid in her class that told her about it and gave her the idea to make the false report.

To Biteme - Yes, the system is "FUCKED UP". More than most people realize. And some states are more "Fucked up" than others. And in case no one here knows this, the welfare system is NOT regulated by any outside sources. There is NO ONE that the "system" has to answer to for their bad judgment calls.

To MadeaBecBec - What witnesses? Your quote says NOTHING about there being witnesses for the prosecution...

To Navsec - That is my point. Why can they find nothing other than what these two girls are saying. As for the "disfigurement" you're right, that could be anything. Remember, these girls were ADOPTED - they could have come to the Perry's with disfigurement.

And for everyone else, first, someone else has already posted the link to the dismissal of charges. Next:

Source - wsmv.com - "I've never seen them raise their voice to the kids," said neighbor Kevin Finch. Finch said he hasn't seen anything to make him ponder the children's well-being. "They go to church every Sunday. Throughout the week they go and take the kids to Bible study," said Finch. The family attends church at First Assembly of God in Clarksville. Church members said the Perrys were regulars at Sunday service and that their children seemed well behaved.

Source - theleafchronicle.com - The Rev. Carlo Serrano, a pastor at First Assembly of God, said the Perrys are "good people." He added, "A grand jury indictment doesn't make someone guilty. "They deserve their time in court." Earnest L. Perry, 65, his wife, Windie L. Perry, 51, and their daughter Elizabeth Perry, 20, were charged this week with abusing two of the Perrys' five other adopted children. The two women were additionally charged with sex crimes against the two girls. All of children have been removed from the home. Serrano said he has known the Perrys since 2005, and they are active in the church, especially Elizabeth Perry, who he says was involved with a teen group and is now in a college group at the church. "Elizabeth ... works great with children, and we've never had a problem before," said Serrano, adding the family has had Elizabeth since she was a newborn. "I have trusted her to babysit and watch my own children personally without any concern or doubt." Serrano added that the Perrys could not have adopted six foster children if the reported problems had been taking place in their home. "They have a history of being good, upstanding people and are faithful to the church," Serrano said. "The accusations being made — it's just shocking," he said. Serrano said the family needs their time in court to defend themselves, and he hopes to see the truth come out. "We've seen in our community basketball coaches and teachers falsely accused," Serrano said. "This is another situation like that — I hate to see this family crucified — and those are serious accusations, so let's trust our system," he added.

Source - theleafchronicle.com - Earnest, Windie and Elizabeth Perry have each been charged with eight counts of aggravated child abuse. Additionally, Windie and eldest adopted daughter Elizabeth, 20, were each charged with two counts of rape of a child and two counts of aggravated rape. According to an indictment handed down by the July term of the grand jury, the three are accused of abusing two girls younger than 13 between May 2006 and March 2008. On two counts, the three are accused of inflicting "bodily injuries, and said acts of abuse were especially heinous, atrocious, cruel and involved the infliction of torture to the victim," according to the indictment. Windie and Elizabeth Perry are additionally accused of using an object to rape the girls between January and March 2008. The Perrys say all of the allegations are untrue. The Perrys began adopting children 21 years ago, Windie Perry said. Elizabeth was the first, and through the years they adopted six more children and housed more than 100 foster children, she said. Earnest Perry served as a security guard for 20 years at Austin Peay State University and retired in June 2007. The couple had their own biological children and grandchildren, but they felt a need to help others in the community, Windie Perry said. Close friends Keith and Ramona Cherry said they were encouraged to become foster parents when they met the Perrys almost 13 years ago. They said they have been been around the family witnessing several of their adoptions, and now they have watched as their friends' lives have been turned upside down. "We believe deeply these allegations are not true," Ramona Cherry said. "We know the children — every last one of them — from when they were babies. We saw them raising them up." Ramona Cherry said two of the children were "troublemakers" who made up the stories of abuse by the Perrys. The Cherrys said they have watched Windie Perry take children from the street, feed lost children and give her time, money and resources to any child in need. "They are very good friends; they are people who will help any and everybody no matter what their color or race. They are just good people. They will take you in, feed you when you hungry, clothe you when you got no clothes, then they give you money and send you on the way so you can do better." The Cherrys said they plan to file a petition to intervene in the parental hearing and try to get custody of the children. "We would not do that if we thought for one second Windie, Elizabeth or Earnest would do anything to those children," Ramona Cherry said. The Cherrys have stood by their side throughout the allegations and sat by them in court through their proceedings. Ramona Cherry said as foster parents they have been in similar situations, and some of their foster children had made allegations that turned out to be false. "They would never do nothing like that," Keith Cherry said. "It tears me up too. If you are going to do something, investigate, find out, make sure it's true. They did none of this."

Source - theleafchronicles.com - The prosecutor is Kimberly Lund, assistant district attorney. The defense includes Collier Goodlett, who represents Earnest Perry; J. Runyon III, who represents Windie Perry; and Greg Smith, who represents Elizabeth Perry. Concerning DCS records that include the names, addresses and phone numbers of the alleged victims' former foster families, Runyon said the victims, who were sisters, had been in and out of foster homes after being taken from their biological mother. Runyon said reviewing the DCS records would allow defense attorneys to look at any patterns and investigate any other potential allegations. Goodlett brought out an allegation that one of the victims said her sister had beaten her. Goodlett said former foster parents could offer insight into child abuse allegations.

Source - theleafchronicles.com - A Clarksville family has been re-indicted in the March term of grand jury and charged with sexually and physically abusing and torturing two adopted children who are younger than 13 years old. Windie Perry, 52, her husband Earnest L. Perry, 66, and their adopted daughter Elizabeth Perry, 21, who all gave a 806 R. S. Bradley Boulevard address, are accused of inflicting "heinous, atrocious and cruel" acts of abuse that amounted to "torture." Earnest Perry is charged with 20 counts of especially aggravated kidnapping and 10 counts of aggravated child abuse. Windie Perry faces six counts of child rape, two counts of aggravated rape, 20 counts of especially aggravated kidnapping and 44 counts of aggravated child abuse or neglect. Elizabeth Perry faces six counts of child rape, one count of aggravated rape, 20 counts of especially aggravated kidnapping and 29 counts of aggravated child abuse or neglect. All are being held in the Montgomery County Jail on $200,000 bonds. The 74 count indictment charge Windie and Elizabeth Perry with raping the two girls who were both younger than 13, on several occasions between January 2008 and March 18, 2008. (How many times are they going to re-indict these people - this was in March 2009!)

Source - news channel 5 Larksville, TN - he state claimed Earnest Perry, along with his wife, Windie, and their adopted daughter Elizabeth abused two other adopted daughters between 2006 and 2008. The indictment stated the Perry's tied and handcuffed the girls to cots, put them in dog kennels, attached jumper cables to different parts of their bodies, raped the girls with several objects, and did not feed them for days. The Perry's close friend, Lori Sharpe, disputes the allegations, She said nothing like that happened inside the Perry's home. "They're an honest Christian family," said Sharpe. "There's no evidence out there, whatsoever, that will, you know, substantiate any claim that they're guilty." Sharpe attended church with the Perry family, and felt the victims in this case were not telling the truth. "One of the ladies said, ‘you know, I saw some of the very things they're accusing their mother and father of on CSI last season,'" said Sharpe. The state claimed the abuse left the girls disfigured and scarred, evidence that would supposedly be clear to this day. "Everybody's just too busy listening to the lies of two little girls," said Sharpe. The victims were removed from the Perry's house last year after the accusations first surfaced. NewsChannel 5 tried contacting the district attorney handling the case, but the calls were not returned.

Source - theleafchronicles.com - On the MySpace blog, she wrote in an undated post, "On Tue night my oldest sis under me ran away from home becuse she got mad that she can't have boyfriend shes only 13 come on well ... she told this lady that my mom was locking her up in a dog kennel so DCS came and took all 5 of my younger siblings away from us and we have not seen or herd from them since Tue night.

[misssmartypants]

Actually, I believe foster kids get maybe 5-10 bucks a week. That is if they know about it.Most times foster parents( not all ) dont tell them. So, its weird that this person, who works with teenagers, would believe a foster kid gets paid 100 bucks a week. Maybe this persons job doesnt entail "working" with teenagers, like say, a counseler, social worker, teacher. Because if this person did, they would know to protect kids first, treat accusations very seriously. Maybe this job "working" w/ teens, is "observing teens", involving cleaning up after the little shits (janitor), or retail (at 10 bucks an hr.), where kids come in w/ mom and buy out the store. That makes for a bitter heart. But I especially enjoy the "fuck you" finger they presented. Like we wouldnt find out exactly the haps in this case. The other thing is sometimes, in cases of abuse when more than 1 child is involved, children become more of a united front in telling. Strength in numbers, and enough is enough, its got to stop kinda thing. We can do this together and we will be believed. And as for the religious angle, if you care to look, this site has more Jesus lovin, never would rape/kill/torture/abuse (but do!) pukes than I could count.Just because you attend church and involved with churchy stuff does not mean you follow Gods doctrine at home. Its a good front.

[MinorAbrasions]

oxfordhomecare My POINT was that an abuser does not wake up one morning after 10, 12, 13 years and decide to become an abuser. My POINT was that THREE people don't just wake up one morning and decide to become abusers! My POINT was why is it that ALL OF A SUDDEN, OUT OF NO WHERE, THREE people are being accused of abuse.

They don't just have to wake up one moring to decide to become an abuser. It could have started with extreme discipline and slowly turned into torture where all three of them were involved. Also, if it started over a boyfriend, why did she have disfiguring marks on her from the abuse? Lemme guess...the bathtub did it.

[Morbid]

Thanks for the articulate, informational response, oxfordhomecare. It is so rare we get that from anyone coming here on the side of the accused. This one was the best I've read since I've been here.

[DamagedGoods]

Thank you for a logical and thought out response! This may be the first time I've had that happen.

[brokenandtwisted]

Articulate, informational or not...the notion of harbouring hundreds of children is still deeply disturbing. I'd question their psychiatric state.

[Tundratot]

. The Perrys began adopting children 21 years ago, Windie Perry said. Elizabeth was the first, and through the years they adopted six more children and housed more than 100 foster children, she said.

I can believe that hundreds of kids rotated through their home. However, it gives the lie to the idea that these girls were there from the time they were babies. The home couldn't have taken in hundreds of kids if they stayed for long stretches of time. Obviously, most of the kids did not. A handful stayed, were adopted.


"We know the children — every last one of them — from when they were babies. We saw them raising them up." Ramona Cherry said two of the children were "troublemakers" who made up the stories of abuse by the Perrys.

Are you Ramona Cherry? Okay, even if you're not, I have to wonder if your experience with teens is in the same line as the Perrys'. Clearly, Ramona did not and could not have know every last one of the children rotating through the Perry's home from the time they were babies.


The victims were removed from the Perry's house last year after the accusations first surfaced. So, then they got what they wanted, according to you. Does this mean that they will not press charges, or testify? Does this mean their part in the legal proceedings is over? See, I'm basically of the opinion that older children will do what it takes to get what they want -- yes, make false accusations and all the rest -- but their commitment to a course of action is a ephemeral as their desires. They will not pursue something that takes a lot of time out of their busy social lives to make statements, see doctors, appear in court, give interviews, and defend their accusations against the light of day. Most people who work with teens know they'll need to look for some signs (scars, recent injuries, evidence of PTSD) and then see what their dedication to pursuing justice will endure.

[brokenandtwisted]

Tundratot But they shouldn't be allowed to. There should be a set limit on the amount of children someone can foster at any given amount of time. I understand children need homes, but tossing them into someone's house just seems careless. It must be a revolving fucking door if we're talking hundreds. How could they even afford that? Doesn't anybody care about the children and their development through adolescence? The whole thing seems inherently broken.

[misssmartypants]

The system does not care. Sometimes I wonder why kinshipcare isnt utilized as much. That would be far beneficial to scared children. And usually the state helps the family caregiver, but way less than foster. It would seem that a huge number of children revolving through your home, would hamper ones ability to connect with any one of those children. But the children. If with siblings, seperated when they need each other the most. And almost always, in one home after another, until everything they hold dear has been lost or broken. That includes themselves.

[Tundratot]

brokenandtwisted As I understand it, many foster homes are licensed for several kids at a time. It's desirable to have these, because the system gets families of kids and if they can be kept together in one home, that would be optimal. But, when the system takes kids away, it's almost always on the fly and the kids first placement is not likely to be their last, because the workers will be looking for a better placement in terms of location, ability to keep the family of kids together, race, school district, other family placement, and there are the few that get returned quickly once a more thorough investigation and/or solution to a problem is achieved.

[Jerri Blank]

Because the Perry's are people JUST LIKE YOU!

I don't care if they are just like me, they are a menace!!! :motz:

[badfish76]

Yeah, I doubt they are like me. :)

I don't particularly mean that in a disrespectful way, either.

You don't know me. I could be a totally whacked out freak. As it is, let's just say I am at least eccentric.

[oxfordhomecare]

Actually, I believe foster kids get maybe 5-10 bucks a week. That is if they know about it.Most times foster parents( not all ) dont tell them. So, its weird that this person, who works with teenagers, would believe a foster kid gets paid 100 bucks a week. Maybe this persons job doesnt entail "working" with teenagers, like say, a counseler, social worker, teacher. Because if this person did, they would know to protect kids first, treat accusations very seriously. Maybe this job "working" w/ teens, is "observing teens", involving cleaning up after the little shits (janitor), or retail (at 10 bucks an hr.), where kids come in w/ mom and buy out the store. That makes for a bitter heart. But I especially enjoy the "fuck you" finger they presented. Like we wouldnt find out exactly the haps in this case. The other thing is sometimes, in cases of abuse when more than 1 child is involved, children become more of a united front in telling. Strength in numbers, and enough is enough, its got to stop kinda thing. We can do this together and we will be believed. And as for the religious angle, if you care to look, this site has more Jesus lovin, never would rape/kill/torture/abuse (but do!) pukes than I could count.Just because you attend church and involved with churchy stuff does not mean you follow Gods doctrine at home. Its a good front.

Well, first of all, you need to read my ENTIRE post. I do not "believe" that foster kids get paid $100 a week. I DO KNOW FOR A FACT that the child I was referring to was given $100 a week in foster care! I DID NOT nor DO I claim to know what a random foster child is given in the way of money.

As for my working with kids, I volunteer at a youth center. And NO, I am NOT bitter about it by any means. I love my work. As for my "finanicial" income, I probably make more in a week than you do in a month. So that shoots your "theory" about me having a "bitter heart".

As for "I should know to protect kids first and treat accusations seriously". I NEVER said in any of my posts, not to treat the accusations seriously. HOWEVER, there ARE ALOT of kids out there who DO IN FACT make up lies to get an adult in trouble! It happens every day!!!! AND there comes a point when you have to say enough is enough. They have spent 3 years investigating this case. They have found NOTHING more than what these two girls said. They have dropped the charges and reindicted at least once before in 2009. These girls were NOT good little girls raised in a loving home! They were "damaged goods" when the Perry's got them! They were in and out of foster homes. There is no telling what these girls went through at the hands of their mother prior to ending up in the system. And a life like that DOES make a child bitter and pissed off!! And a bitter, pissed off child lies to make others lives hell too!!!! When the case is founded or when there is enough evidence to back up the accusations, then by all means, prosecute. But this seems to have become nothing more than a witch hunt by the prosecuter! I pray you never find yourself on the other side of a false accusation.

You're right, when there are TRUE cases of abuse, the kids can come together to form a united front against the abuser. HOWEVER, out of all the kids (over 100) that have been in the home of the Perry's, these two are the ONLY kids they can find that make those accusations. PLUS, these same kids have been moved from SEVERAL other foster homes. That is from the DCS own files! Why did they have to keep moving these 2 girls? Wait, don't tell me, they were abused in ALL of the foster homes they were placed in?

As for the church - some people do hide behind religion to do their dirty deeds. But when they use the religion to abuse, they typically abuse ALL the children Or abuse from day one of getting the child! ALL the people who were interviewed - people who knew this family - said the same thing - these girls are not being honest. NO ONE saw signs of beatings - that included school staff - who are trained to see the signs! NO ONE reported any evidence or even suspicions of abuse!

[oxfordhomecare]

They don't just have to wake up one moring to decide to become an abuser. It could have started with extreme discipline and slowly turned into torture where all three of them were involved. Also, if it started over a boyfriend, why did she have disfiguring marks on her from the abuse? Lemme guess...the bathtub did it.

Where is ANY evidence of the picture you just presented? Where in anything that you read from quoted sources did you see something about extreme discipline that manifested into torture? Please let the rest of us read your source that gave that scenario. AGAIN I say maybe those disfiguring marks came from the mother who they were taken from!? THEY WERE ADOPTED! THEY WERE IN OTHER FOSTER HOMES! WHAT DID THEIR BIRTH MOTHER DO TO THEM OR LET OTHERS DO TO THEM FOR HER TO HAVE LOST THEM???

[oxfordhomecare]

Thanks for the articulate, informational response, oxfordhomecare. It is so rare we get that from anyone coming here on the side of the accused. This one was the best I've read since I've been here.

Thank you. Finally someone who sees the point I was trying to make.

[oxfordhomecare]

Articulate, informational or not...the notion of harbouring hundreds of children is still deeply disturbing. I'd question their psychiatric state.

Definition of harbor: #1 Keep (a thought or feeling, typically a negative one) in one's mind, esp. secretly. #2 Shelter or hide (a criminal or wanted person)

They did not "harbor" hundreds of kids....children were placed with them as foster parents for approximately 20 years! Obviously there was not a problem with psychiatric state or they wouldn't have been allowed to be foster parents nor would they have been allowed to adopt at least 6 children.

[oxfordhomecare]

I can believe that hundreds of kids rotated through their home. However, it gives the lie to the idea that these girls were there from the time they were babies. The home couldn't have taken in hundreds of kids if they stayed for long stretches of time. Obviously, most of the kids did not. A handful stayed, were adopted.

Are you Ramona Cherry? Okay, even if you're not, I have to wonder if your experience with teens is in the same line as the Perrys'. Clearly, Ramona did not and could not have know every last one of the children rotating through the Perry's home from the time they were babies.

So, then they got what they wanted, according to you. Does this mean that they will not press charges, or testify? Does this mean their part in the legal proceedings is over? See, I'm basically of the opinion that older children will do what it takes to get what they want -- yes, make false accusations and all the rest -- but their commitment to a course of action is a ephemeral as their desires. They will not pursue something that takes a lot of time out of their busy social lives to make statements, see doctors, appear in court, give interviews, and defend their accusations against the light of day. Most people who work with teens know they'll need to look for some signs (scars, recent injuries, evidence of PTSD) and then see what their dedication to pursuing justice will endure.



I do apologize. I re-researched my first post and the Perry's did not get those 2 girls as infants. They had been in several other foster homes prior to being adopted by the Perry's. I could not find anything saying what age the girls were when they first arrived in the Perry home.

No, I'm not Ramona Cherry. That was simply a quote from her. You are right, she could not have possibly known every child that stayed with the Perry's. But was she referring to every child ever? Or just the adopted children? If just the adopted ones, then it is feasable that she may in fact have known all the children.

The children do not have the option of pressing charges. The charges are pressed on behalf of the children. As for pursuing something that takes alot of time - once the ball is rolling, it is not up to them to persue it. Maybe the girls are hoping that if they "get kicked out" of enough foster homes, the system will get tired of them and send them home to their mom. Maybe they don't feel they should have been taken from the birth mom to begin with. I personally dealt with two boys who constantly fought with the foster parents, foster siblings, etc repeatedly. They were placed in several different foster homes before it was finally found out what was going on. The boys themselves will tell you that they were trying to go home. They thought that if they caused enough problems that everyone would get tired of trying to find a home for them and they would get to go home to their mom.

[oxfordhomecare]

The system does not care. Sometimes I wonder why kinshipcare isnt utilized as much. That would be far beneficial to scared children. And usually the state helps the family caregiver, but way less than foster. It would seem that a huge number of children revolving through your home, would hamper ones ability to connect with any one of those children. But the children. If with siblings, seperated when they need each other the most. And almost always, in one home after another, until everything they hold dear has been lost or broken. That includes themselves.

Unfortunately you are right. Too often they never even look for family for placement. And when the occasion comes up that they do look, they find insane reasons not to let family take them. Things like not passing a home study - not a big enough house, not clean enough, the family member is on a fixed income and cannot afford to support, too old, too young, etc.

And I don't know about the state you live in, but in the state I live in a family caregiver is called "relative placement" and DOES NOT receive any funding, nor do they receive any of the help or benefits given to a foster home.

[oxfordhomecare]

I don't care if they are just like me, they are a menace!!! :motz:

So, in other words, you're saying that you are a menace?

[misssmartypants]

nope- I make pretty good bank. Im a welder. So Im just swimming in cheese. I earn it. I, too, volunteer for at risk youth. Its thankless sometimes, but I like kids. And as for foster homes, Ive been in plenty as a twerp, so Im speaking from experience that most were fucked. So fucked that I ( as a kid, mind you) sued the State for abuse and neglect and won. It was worse in foster than the home I was taken from.. I always side with children. Always. Especially the ones that are most disadvantaged. I could never hate a child or vilify a child because I dont like what Im hearing. I wait it out. And even then, I wouldnt spit venom on a kid as much as you are to these girls, I wouldnt do it at all, because they are children. Id want to get to the root of the problem, and fix it. Not hurt them or deny compassion. And as for you implying about how the adults in this are ruined, they are adults, in a business that is high risk to reputations.

[Obsolete]

My aunt and uncle have been foster parents for almost 30 years. A lot of the kids are placed there temporarily while their parents get their shit together and get the kids back or until a family member can step forward and obtain custody of the child. Sometimes the kid is there for a week, sometimes years. If you consider the kids that just need a safe place for a week or two, then it's feasible that a foster parent can have foster a hundred kids or more over a long period of time. My aunt and uncle have adopted 8 of the kids over the years and they are all happy and healthy.

[oxfordhomecare]

nope- I make pretty good bank. Im a welder. So Im just swimming in cheese. I earn it. I, too, volunteer for at risk youth. Its thankless sometimes, but I like kids. And as for foster homes, Ive been in plenty as a twerp, so Im speaking from experience that most were fucked. So fucked that I ( as a kid, mind you) sued the State for abuse and neglect and won. It was worse in foster than the home I was taken from.. I always side with children. Always. Especially the ones that are most disadvantaged. I could never hate a child or vilify a child because I dont like what Im hearing. I wait it out. And even then, I wouldnt spit venom on a kid as much as you are to these girls, I wouldnt do it at all, because they are children. Id want to get to the root of the problem, and fix it. Not hurt them or deny compassion. And as for you implying about how the adults in this are ruined, they are adults, in a business that is high risk to reputations.

I'm sorry that you had to spend any amount of time in foster care. And I'm sorry that apparently your situation was bad enough that you had to sue to get retribution. And if your "bank" is as you say, then kudos to you for making something of yourself and not letting your childhood stop you from making a difference in this world.

I never said I didn't side with the children and I never "spit venom", "hurt them" or "denied them compassion". I DID say that after reading EVERYTHING I could find regarding the case, I find their accusations hard to believe. I DO side with the children - but only until I find good reason not to. And at NO TIME can you quote ME as saying that the adults are ruined. I quoted that from a statement made by someone who knew them!

And lastly, as a former foster child yourself, you know first hand the fact that there are foster kids that lie about things. And I'm NOT saying that they all lie either. But NOT ALL ACCUSATIONS are true. And just because someone is "accused" of something does not always mean it happened. If they could have found more kids with ANY type of abuse allegations towards them, then I would be defending the kids. But the fact of the matter is there are NO OTHER KIDS that have said they were hurt at the hands of the Perry's.

100+ kids cared for by Perry's, only 2 (and sister's at that) with allegations of abuse = likelyhood they are lying 98%
BUT, IF the following were the scenario:
100+ kids cared for by Perry's, and 12 kids with accusations = likelyhood it did happen - then it would be different!

But the facts are:
1.) only 2 out of 100+ kids say there was abuse
2.) 3+ years investigating and still only 2 that say there was abuse
3.) DA has dismissed charges at least twice so far - once in 2009 and once in 2011 - WHY? If not for lack of evidence...and before anyone jumps my ass saying that it's so that it can be re-filed because of errors in wording - I KNOW WHAT IT SAYS.

The law is that everyone is entitled to a speedy trial. The DA keeps dropping the charges because they cannot comply with the law and follow the speedy trial laws. The only way around it is to keep finding reasons to drop and re-file the charges - effectively restarting the time clock on the speedy trial laws. WHEN DOES IT STOP? If they had enough evidence to convict then they should have done so. If they had enough evidence to convict, we wouldn't all be on here arguing about it, the Perry's would be in prison by now...

[Nell]

Thanks for coming back and answering all our questions. I really just wanted a link, and then to know how long the girls had lived with them, and you told me both and didn't even call me a cunt. So thanks again. :)

[oxfordhomecare]

Thanks for coming back and answering all our questions. I really just wanted a link, and then to know how long the girls had lived with them, and you told me both and didn't even call me a cunt. So thanks again. :)

Ummmm....should I have called you one? I didn't think I had a reason to....

[Nell]

No, but if you look around long enough you will see that it does happen to me, frequently. Mainly by family members of accused, but sometimes other members, just because.

I'm not that bad though.

[DamagedGoods]

Ummmm....should I have called you one? I didn't think I had a reason to....

We're used to people attempting to persuade us by calling us every foul name under the sun, while not telling us anything that doesn't simply sound like a repetitive lame excuse. So, someone who does neither to us comes as a pleasant shock. (The aforementioned is probably also why we tend to jump in guns blazing when we see someone "defending" an alleged criminal)

Your response to my own post has chagrined me, and whether I agree or not I'm impressed by the poise in your responses.

[Robynne]

2 things here.

HOWEVER, in this case, there were no new additions to set off the abuser. Also, when one child is singled out for abuse it normally takes place the ENTIRE time they are with the abuser.
I think you should read,"A Child Called It." by David Pelzer. He wasn't abused the whole time he lived with his mother.

And does anyone else notice that oxfordhomecare has gone to 3 different posts and argued until she was blue in the face.
Me thinks she is an angry, uptight person.

[oxfordhomecare]

We're used to people attempting to persuade us by calling us every foul name under the sun, while not telling us anything that doesn't simply sound like a repetitive lame excuse. So, someone who does neither to us comes as a pleasant shock. (The aforementioned is probably also why we tend to jump in guns blazing when we see someone "defending" an alleged criminal)

Your response to my own post has chagrined me, and whether I agree or not I'm impressed by the poise in your responses.

Well I am truly sorry that other people on here can't have a rational discussion without resorting to name calling. My intention has not even been to "persuade" anyone of anything. And I wasn't necessarily "defending" them. I was however, trying to get people to stop "jumping to conclusions" when they haven't bothered to find out all there is to know. I was also simply trying to point out some things that no seemed to be taking into account. I didn't join this discussion to call people names - whom I have never met and know nothing about.

As a teeneager I found myself on the wrong side of a lie. It wasn't nice. I went through hell for it. In the end, the truth came out. And people who decided they had all the answers without knowing any of the questions caused it to be worse than it should have been. It's real easy to jump on the bandwagon even when you don't know where it's going.

All I wanted to do was to point out some obvious flaws in what people were saying. And maybe make people realize that just because one person says it happened, doesn't always mean it did. Also, in today's society your neighbor can get mad at you because your tree keeps getting leaves on his lawn and you refuse to get rid of the tree. If he wanted to, he could call the police and say you pulled a gun on him and threatened to shoot him for complaining. If he signs charges, you go to jail! Then you have to figure out how to prove you didn't do it.

And btw....just to clarify, "disfigure" does not mean "deform". Definitition of disfigurement - The action of spoiling the appearance of something or someone; defacement. Something that spoils the appearance of someone or something; a blemish

Disfigure could be something as simple as a bruise - it does not necessarily have to be a mangled arm that will be that way for life.

[oxfordhomecare]

We're used to people attempting to persuade us by calling us every foul name under the sun, while not telling us anything that doesn't simply sound like a repetitive lame excuse. So, someone who does neither to us comes as a pleasant shock. (The aforementioned is probably also why we tend to jump in guns blazing when we see someone "defending" an alleged criminal)

Your response to my own post has chagrined me, and whether I agree or not I'm impressed by the poise in your responses.

And not to mention, would have even bothered to read what I had to say if I'd been on here calling you names? Probably not. :)

[oxfordhomecare]

2 things here.

I think you should read,"A Child Called It." by David Pelzer. He wasn't abused the whole time he lived with his mother.

And does anyone else notice that oxfordhomecare has gone to 3 different posts and argued until she was blue in the face.
Me thinks she is an angry, uptight person.

For your information, I own the book. And I said "NORMALLY TAKES PLACE THE ENTIRE TIME" I did NOT say that is the case every time. And you have to look at EVERYTHING else that has been said - not just one sentence.

Also, please for God's sake, get your facts straight before accusing someone of something! I have NOT been posting on 3 posts. I have posted on 2. And if I'm not mistaken I have read alot of posts that have said the same thing to you that I did in the other thread you are referring to.

I'm an angry uptight person? You are delusional and confused. In one thread, you say lock them up and throw away the key - even though there is no where near enough evidence to warrant it. And in another post you say oh poor babies, let them free - even though there was sufficient evidence to lock them up for life (as per state statute)(and upheld by the higher courts on appeal) for commiting a violent crime.

Again, I am done conversing with you. I will not continue to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

[oxfordhomecare]

No, but if you look around long enough you will see that it does happen to me, frequently. Mainly by family members of accused, but sometimes other members, just because.

I'm not that bad though.

I guess I missed something because you didn't seem that bad to me.

[Robynne]

For your information, I own the book. And I said "NORMALLY TAKES PLACE THE ENTIRE TIME" I did NOT say that is the case every time. And you have to look at EVERYTHING else that has been said - not just one sentence.

Also, please for God's sake, get your facts straight before accusing someone of something! I have NOT been posting on 3 posts. I have posted on 2. And if I'm not mistaken I have read alot of posts that have said the same thing to you that I did in the other thread you are referring to.

I'm an angry uptight person? You are delusional and confused. In one thread, you say lock them up and throw away the key - even though there is no where near enough evidence to warrant it. And in another post you say oh poor babies, let them free - even though there was sufficient evidence to lock them up for life (as per state statute)(and upheld by the higher courts on appeal) for commiting a violent crime.

Again, I am done conversing with you. I will not continue to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

1-Baked Kid Is Not A Goat Recipe
2-Earnest, Windie, and Elizabeth Perry: WTF?!?
3-Your Kidney For Your Freedom; Sisters Released From Double Life Sentences

I think it's funny with all your intellect, the only thing you can say to me is that I am stupid.

[Obsolete]

I guess I missed something because you didn't seem that bad to me.

Don't let her fool you...she's a bitch. :crazy:

[brokenandtwisted]

Definition of harbor: #1 Keep (a thought or feeling, typically a negative one) in one's mind, esp. secretly. #2 Shelter or hide (a criminal or wanted person)

They did not "harbor" hundreds of kids....children were placed with them as foster parents for approximately 20 years! Obviously there was not a problem with psychiatric state or they wouldn't have been allowed to be foster parents nor would they have been allowed to adopt at least 6 children.

Yes, they do harbour (no idea why you're tacking on the criminal/wanted aspect, but it's cute and unbecoming of you since there are multiple definitions associated with the word, but it's cute so I'll roll with it) hundreds of kids. You just admitted to it. Since the 'hundreds' is plural, let's go with an arbitrary 300, okay? You're still looking at 15 kids every year over a period of 20 years. Something is telling me anyone harbouring hundreds of children isn't in it because they have an altruistic bone in their body - they want the money from harbouring the kids. That's just over one kid every month running in and out of their fucking door. That must look positively wonderful come tax season, I bet. Anyone operating a revolving door should be swiftly inspected and kicked in the fucking ass. Boats coming in, boats going out. Children require stability. It's a proven fact and child psychology 101. These 'parents' should have had the same kid for an extended period of time. I'm talking at least ten years. Children are not disposable. You should not be rid of one out of simple inconvenience. Foster homes are fucking stupid - there are more negatives than positives associated with foster care. Debating child development with me will get you nowhere - I'm a damn doctor.

And don't get me started on fucked up people parenting children. There are hundreds if not thousands of stories on this site alone that are evidence of degenerates with children. 'Been down that road, darling. I went to my psychiatric rotation/clerkship. I've seen all sorts of fucked up adults walking away with children under their arms while the courts turn blind eyes. I've intervened in the odd one, but the overwhelming power of people just not giving a shit about the children allowed me to detach from the field in less than a month.

Continue waltzing your catty ass around the site like an aristocrat, please. I'll shadow your intellect and make a fool out of you.

[misssmartypants]

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[crimsonsorrow]

beating the girls with a rubber hose, an extension cord and with poles and belts which resulted in disfigurement and numerous other specific acts of torture and sexual abuse.

yea, they tooootally made that up.

gimme a friggin break.

[Robynne]

The three are accused of abusing two girls younger than 13 between May 2006 and March 2008
That's an awfully young age range for someone to throw those types of allegations around.


Two adopted children who are younger than 13 years old.
How did they adopt these children if the girls wanted to go back to their mother? If they were going to lie about something to go back to their mom, It would have happened before the Perry's adopted the girls.To keep them from adopting them.


The indictment stated the Perry's tied and handcuffed the girls to cots, put them in dog kennels, attached jumper cables to different parts of their bodies, raped the girls with several objects, and did not feed them for days
"One of the ladies said, ‘you know, I saw some of the very things they're accusing their mother and father of on CSI last season,'"
Which episodes were these? I am a crime drama buff, and I don't remember these


The state claimed the abuse left the girls disfigured and scarred, evidence that would supposedly be clear to this day.
I am pretty sure that when placing a child in the care of someone, they are examined. And they had to have seen a doctor at least every year for an annual check-up. Surly the doctor would know if they were there to begin with. I am sure the DA has contacted the girls' physician.


On the MySpace blog, she wrote in an undated post, "On Tue night my oldest sis under me ran away from home becuse she got mad that she can't have boyfriend shes only 13 come on well ... she told this lady that my mom was locking her up in a dog kennel so DCS came and took all 5 of my younger siblings away from us and we have not seen or herd from them since Tue night.
Post this shit on Myspace where everyone can see it. If I were an abuser, I would try to find a way to make everyone believe that I didn't do it, too. Gain sympathy, whatever you can say to make the girls out to be liars


Lund said to nolle the case in no way indicates there is no proof of the allegations.

What goes on behind closed doors, isn't seen by others. These friends may know these people, but you never know anyone completely.
And people say these girls were trouble makers. Why were they adopted by the Perry's, and who's to say that they couldn't handle them so they took drastic, barbaric measures.(for the first time in their years as foster/adoptive parents)

[Jerri Blank]

So, in other words, you're saying that you are a menace?

Truthfully I just feel that is a suitable response for anyone who is as uppity and wordy as you appear to be.







....and I'm a menace.

[misssmartypants]

ha.hahaha. Thanks ladies, for saying what I couldnt articulate. I'm an ass of the highest order, and because of that afflection, cant always get my point across. You guys are wonderful. Thanks for sticking up for the young girls.

[MadeaBecBec]

To MadeaBecBec - What witnesses? Your quote says NOTHING about there being witnesses for the prosecution...



Answer: That is my opinion! The Perrys have seven others living with them, yes? Possible witnesses to some abuse or All. I suppose I'll go back and edit in "possibly" or leave it. I'll think on that.

What is your theory as to Elizabeth being included as an abuser? If the victims, simply wanted to leave the home and go back to whence they came, why include her? The victims could just make allegations against the 'parents' and hope for the best.

Read on this, too (Dated May 10, 2009) :

Police said the family inflicted heinous acts on the children, including torturing them with jumper cables and denying them food for several days at a time.

Some of the other allegations outlined in an indictment obtained by News 2, include: "Tying her down to a cot with ropes, handcuffs, and chains," "Forcing a broomstick down her throat," and even "Attempting to ‘cut off' her arm with an axe."
Montgomery County Assistant District Attorney Kimberly Lund says she has never seen a case like this before.

The children are under the age of 13.



Sharpe says the Perrys have nine children. The oldest two are biological and the younger seven are all adopted.


http://www.wkrn.com/story/9982442/clarksville-family-faces-more-than-70-counts-of-abuse?redirected=true

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Following the announcement to rest, J.Runyon— Windie’s attorney, Assistant Public Defender Charles Bloodworth- Earnest’s attorney and Greg Smith-Elizabeth’s attorney all asked for acquittals on all counts citing insufficient evidence and other issues with specific charges.

Although Judge John H. Gasaway did not grant those motions he did dismiss several counts in the 45 count indictment before the jury will deliberate next week.
[...]

Judge Gasaway went through each count of the indictment, dissecting the facts and testimony presented by the alleged victims.

Several counts against Earnest and Elizabeth Perry were dismissed, citing insufficient evidence. The alleged victims did not testify Earnest or Elizabeth Perry participated in specific incidents of alleged abuse, Gasaway said.

* Earnest Perry had 15 of the 18 charges against him dismissed— several counts of especially aggravated kidnapping and aggravated child abuse— dismissed by Judge Gasaway or the State.
[...]

* Elizabeth Perry had, 21 of the 37 counts against her dismissed— including two counts of child rape and several counts of especially aggravated kidnapping and aggravated child abuse.
[...]

* Windie Perry, charged in all 45 counts had a total of 11 counts against her dismissed — five from the state and six from Judge Gasaway who ruled the alleged victims did not testify to the specific allegation in those counts.
[...]
http://www.theleafchronicle.com/article/20120120/NEWS01/120120003/State-rests-case-abuse-trial-several-charges-dismissed

[Tundratot]

Sickening, but at least they weren't acquitted of all charges.

[princessgrandma]

Funny thing is, they were guilty AFTER trial too. I don't think anyone here made any off the wall assumptions about the guilt of these people. We have opinions, and we are allowed to post those opinions on this site. It's the Demon's way.

Now.... if these charges had been unfounded all together, they would not have re-indicted and gone through the trial. Putting on a trial when you don't have evidence just doesn't make sense and they wouldn't have done it. However, they DID re-indict and try these people and while some counts were dropped, if you look at the big picture, a considerable number of the counts were NOT dropped. So, assuming and protesting the innocence of these abusers was wrong, too. While it appeared that OHC was trying to give impartial information on the case, that was the basis of her entire trip to the Demon in the first place.... to protest the innocence of the Perrys and to focus on the "fact" that the girls made it all up.

Obviously, our assumption wasn't as far off as that. They were NOT acquitted. I guess the girls didn't make up so much after all.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Two week Perry trial ends with 20 hours of deliberation. Windie and Elizabeth convicted of some charges, Ernest acquitted.

As the clock struck midnight, Judge John H. Gasaway's courtroom was filled with silence as friends, law enforcement and others involved in the Perry case filled the courtroom gallery.

The jury foreman read each count of the 34 count indictment in the child abuse, child torture trial of the Perry family and announced that they had become deadlocked or hung on two counts.

The jurors faces showed mental and physical exhaustion, some seemed as if they had become emotional at some point. The faces of the accused showed stress and the room was still as the jury read their verdict:

Windie Perry, 55, was charged with four counts of child rape, 9 counts of especially aggravated kidnapping and 19 counts of aggravated child abuse and two counts aggravated child neglect.

Verdict: Windie was found guilty of the lesser charge of facilitation of rape of a child, two counts of aggravated child abuse, two counts of the lesser charge false imprisonment, two counts of especially aggravated kidnapping, one count of aggravated assault and six counts of reckless endangerment.

She was found not guilty of 19 counts and one count that was hung.

Her bond was revoked and she was turned over to the custody of the Sheriff's Office until her sentencing hearing on March 13.
[...]

Ernest Perry, 68, was charged with two counts of aggravated child neglect and one count of especially aggravated kidnapping.

Verdict: Acquitted of all charges.
[...]

Elizabeth Perry, 23, was charged with four counts of child rape, six counts of especially aggravated kidnapping and three counts of aggravated child abuse.

Verdict: Elizabeth was convicted of the lesser charge facilitation of rape of a child, one count of false imprisonment, two counts of the lesser charge facilitation of especially aggravated kidnapping and three counts of reckless endangerment.

She was found not guilty on five counts and one count that was hung.

She was allowed to remain on her same bond and a sentencing date was set for March 13.
[...]

Attorneys for the defendants and the State lauded the jury's’ diligence in one of the most extensive and hardest child abuse cases they have ever tried in Montgomery County.

“Regardless of the verdict, this jury worked hard from the beginning,” Charles Bloodworth, Ernest Perry’s attorney said. “Those 14 jurors gave two weeks of their life under strict conditions of no contact. Even riding up and down the elevator became an undertaking. They were given questionnaires, poked and prodded and responded fairly to the inquires from the defense and state. I think we had a fair jury.”
[...]
http://www.theleafchronicle.com/article/20120128/NEWS01/301280033/Perrys-recieve-mixed-verdict-Windie-Elizabeth-convicted-Ernest-acquitted-

[Dakota Valkyrie]

The sentencing hearing was held Tuesday in Judge John H. Gasaway’s court. Both Windie and Elizabeth Perry asked for mercy. The judge took the case under advisement to review all evidence. At about 10 a.m. Thursday, dozens of people, including law enforcement agents, case workers, church members of the Perrys and supporters of the victims, filed into the courtroom.

Silence fell in the gallery as Gasaway brought to a conclusion one of the most extensive, emotional trials in Montgomery County history .

Windie Perry, 55, was sentenced to a total of 20 years in prison for facilitation of child rape, two counts of especially aggravated kidnapping, two counts of aggravated child abuse, two counts of false imprisonment and six counts of reckless endangerment. She will have to serve 85 percent, or 17 years, of her sentence before she is eligible for parole.

“Given what happened to these victims at the hand or direction of Windie Perry, she is a dangerous offender whose behavior indicates little or no regard for human life, and she had no hesitation in committing a crime where the risk of human life was high,” Gasaway said during sentencing. “Given their age, there was a high risk to each of the victims when this occurred. ... Windie Perry was the leader in the commission of the offense involving one or more actions, and there was one or more victims and (showed) no hesitation in committing the crimes.”

Elizabeth Perry, 23, was sentenced to a total of eight years in prison for facilitation of child rape, one count of false imprisonment, two counts of facilitation of especially aggravated kidnapping and three counts of reckless endangerment.

Gasaway said Elizabeth committed these acts under the duress and domination of Windie Perry.

Elizabeth, who on Tuesday asked Gasaway for probation, wept as she prepared to be taken into custody.

Elizabeth will be eligible for parole after serving 2.4 years of her sentence, her attorney Greg Smith said. The policy in the prison allows her the possibility to decrease her sentence.

“For every month she stays out of trouble, she can get eight days of good day credit,” Smith said. “If she participates in programs she can get another eight days. That’s a possible 16 day off each month.

“Mathematically, going into it she was facing best case eight years and worst case 40. Except for not getting probation, she got the best sentence possible,” Smith said.

Both Windie and Elizabeth maintain their innocence.

Gasaway drew from that that neither of them has come to grips with the crimes they committed. That, along with the need to not depreciate the seriousness of the crimes and to serve as a deterrence, were reasons Gasaway sent the women to prison despite their clean criminal histories.
[...]

Elizabeth was arrested Wednesday night and charged with violation of the sex offender registry. She bonded out the same day.

Both Windie and Elizabeth Perry will have to register as sex offenders.
[...]
http://www.theleafchronicle.com/article/20120406/CRIME/304060015/Windie-Perry-gets-20-years-Elizabeth-8-Clarksville-child-torture-case

[Tundratot]

Not satisfied. E Perry gets 2.4 years with the possibility of getting over half of that reduced for good behavior?!!! W Perry gets 17 years for all the damage and lives she ruined?!!! Well, I can only hope that at her age prison life is to hard for her to live through. 55 + 17 = 72. It could happen.