I'm Gonna Puke!

[maryhaze]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,371344,00.html

i'm not sure where this goes, but this guy is beyond a scum-sucking fucktard!

[dop]

What a shit.

[Lizard]

[Rep. James Fagan] A Massachusetts politician and defense attorney has touched off a firestorm with his shocking public vow to torment and "rip apart" child rape victims who take the witness stand if the state legislature passed stiff mandatory sentences for child sex offenders.
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"I'm gonna rip them apart," Fagan said of young victims during his testimony on the bill. "I'm going to make sure that the rest of their life is ruined, that when they’re 8 years old, they throw up; when they’re 12 years old, they won’t sleep; when they’re 19 years old, they’ll have nightmares and they’ll never have a relationship with anybody.”

Don't spend time puking. Spend time ripping HIM apart.

[MISSanthropic]

are you fucking kidding me? This guy is begging to be assasinated, and I'd laugh my ass off. "Rip apart" child rape victims, WHAT?! What is his problem with stiffer mandatory sentences for this anyway, is he a fucking child rapist. OOOO I'm beyond pissed right now.

[SoUncool]

I gave Athena a head's up about this earlier today. Might see it in 3 things at some point...I haven't checked...

[thepooh5]

Don't bash on me now, but I think, this guy was actually trying to make the other law makers see the fact that defense attorneys WOULD use this tactic and it would be too much for the child to bare, especially given the circumstances they would be testifying under.

While he may have went too far in his language and comments, I think he was trying to point out "a fact", instead of saying for a fact that he would in actuality treat children like this. I think he was speaking of ANY defense attorney and their jobs is to discredit a witness, whatever the cost to the witness.

In fact, I think he said what he said to open the eyes of the others, for the childrens' sakes - so that they would not be treated, as he described, after an already horrific event in their lives.

Could he have made his point better? Maybe, maybe not. You have to admit the initial read will make you "hackle up" - but that's the whole point, be outraged that a child could be treated this way. Be outraged enough to block the law, until some other safeguards for the victim can be set in place.

I'm all for mandatory sentences for child abusers and rapists, but not at the expense of the child who has already been victimized. I get what the man was saying between the lines, so to speak. He wanted us to be outraged, by what he or any other defense attorney may do to an already child victim. He just didn't want to throw the children to the "wolves" that could be defending the child's attacker(s).

Anyway that's my take on his rant - not so much that "he" would personally treat a child this way, but more of, you're opening the door for a child to be treated in such a manner. Now, if he was serious, like you guys took him to be (and btw, I did too on the first read), I hope he shits the bed and roles over in it!

[thepooh5]

SoUnCool - I'm glad you gave Athena the "heads up" - she does all this law research and possible consequences after the fact. I'll be interested to hear her opinion of this windbag.

At first, I flew mad as hell. But then, I think to myself, he's using *heavy sarcasim* - then I think, damn, he's right - not his actual words, what he's pointing out. What if my child were to be a victim and had to testify against the attacker, would I allow the attackers defense attorney to "rip the child victim apart"? Hell, no! But mostly, the CHILD could not stand this type of questioning and verbal assault from an adult authority figure, after already being victimized.

If the victim is to heal, it is through realizing that this was not their faults. Defense attorneys could make an already insecure victim, NEVER make this realization or come to terms with what has happened to them THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN.

Like I said, I may be wrong on what this guy meant, but I'll give him this anyway, if he was serious, he really did open my eyes. We need tougher, harsher mandatory sentences for such cases, but at what cost? Jessica's Law is great - so lets keep it that way and keep it in tact, so it can do what it was designed to do without causing any more distress to the victim. Jessica's Law may need to be amended in some way, so safeguards can be added for the VICTIM'S sake. Maybe amended isn't the proper word, but more like "added too". Maybe to ensure child victims can video tape their testimonies or some sort of assurance that the child, at the very least, could testify from another room via closed circuit tv or something.

[JenJen1995]

Rep. Fagan:



You can be a defense attorney and not be a shameless piece of crap, too. You know these people are guilty and you are hired to defend them and I hope no judge in their right mind would allow you to cross a child or any other victim after your comments of just how ruthless you would be.



Please don't lower yourself to the level of your offenders. I was a victim and I would HAPPILY have retold the story of my situation- AFTER I had accepted the facts and gone through therapy to understand why it happened!







Jennifer T

[Unamused Cat]

So what he is basically saying is that the kids are going to get raped again. Scumbag!

[ceisdsgil]

While he may have went too far in his language and comments, I think he was trying to point out "a fact", instead of saying for a fact that he would in actuality treat children like this. I think he was speaking of ANY defense attorney and their jobs is to discredit a witness, whatever the cost to the witness.

In fact, I think he said what he said to open the eyes of the others, for the childrens' sakes - so that they would not be treated, as he described, after an already horrific event in their lives.

Could he have made his point better? Maybe, maybe not. You have to admit the initial read will make you "hackle up" - but that's the whole point, be outraged that a child could be treated this way. Be outraged enough to block the law, until some other safeguards for the victim can be set in place.

Anyway that's my take on his rant - not so much that "he" would personally treat a child this way, but more of, you're opening the door for a child to be treated in such a manner. Now, if he was serious, like you guys took him to be (and btw, I did too on the first read), I hope he shits the bed and roles over in it!

I'm in agreement with you, on this. upon first read I was ready to rip his penis off and shove it down his throat, but after giving it some thought, I can see where it could've been misinterpreted.

I hope that he was trying to make the point of what other attorneys (especially scum bag attorneys will do)..


~ceisdsgil

[Rob Taylor]

Actually one of my readers said she got in contact with him and got screamed at about how she didn't know the Constitution etc (http://www.red-alerts.com/un-american-activities/stay-classy-rep-james-fagan/#comment-18900). His point was never that other people would do traumatize children, but that he would "be forced to" because he was duty bound to try to get his client out of what he called "draconian" sentences in interviews.

20 years for raping a child under twelve is hardly draconian. The truth is that defense lawyers want to be able to plea out perverts to earn their cash. If every perv knows their going to do two decades when they get convicted none are going to waste their money on lawyers, especially post conviction. They'll use Pubic Defenders and Fagan won't get a dime from rapist looking for a lawyer who can get them the best deal.

And dig it, Fagan is heavily involved with the boys and girls club and similar groups in his area, including little league. He's also been the most vocal opponent of Jessica's Law, which is frankly boilerplate legislation that would make child molesters stay in prison for their whole sentences.

I don't like to deal in innuendo, but as a blogger I'm honor bound by the Blogger's Oath to claim that James Fagan is in fact, worse than Hitler.

[ceisdsgil]

thank you for the input. I guess I had hoped that he might be above that.


~ceisdsgil

[MISSanthropic]

thepooh-

with all due respect, I totally understand how you're trying to see the better side of this, and I wish there were a better side, but I do not think that is the case. The fact that those words came publicly out of this mans mouth either way is disgraceful and disgusting enough. I really believe Rob Taylor put it best about what I think.



20 years for raping a child under twelve is hardly draconian. The truth is that defense lawyers want to be able to plea out perverts to earn their cash. If every perv knows their going to do two decades when they get convicted none are going to waste their money on lawyers, especially post conviction. They'll use Pubic Defenders and Fagan won't get a dime from rapist looking for a lawyer who can get them the best deal.

[Sarabei]

Here is my view, a viticm of rape, molestation, assualt, should never be raped again by an attorney regardless of their ages. Period. I also have a problem with all the new laws aimed and sex offenders. In my area, they are trying to make it illegal for a sex offender to visit a park. Now, what most people aren't thinking is that sex offenders aren't only pedophiles, but even an 18 year old charged with statutory rape of his GF who had no problem with having sex but perhaps her parents did...follow me? Also, in this I am the first to admit that I DO NOT have the answer, BUT when you are released from prison you have supposedly paid for your crime and start over.....IF we want to label sex offenders with registering, being jailed on Halloween, not being able to volunteer at churches, then shouldn't we do that across the board for EVERY criminal? Murder, druggie, robber, arsonist, prostitute, etc. ANYONE who serves time in jail should be required to follow the same stingent rules.

[~Absynthe~]

"I'm gonna rip them apart," Fagan said of young victims during his testimony on the bill. "I'm going to make sure that the rest of their life is ruined, that when they’re 8 years old, they throw up; when they’re 12 years old, they won’t sleep; when they’re 19 years old, they’ll have nightmares and they’ll never have a relationship with anybody.”

Listen Fagen, the children that have lived though abuse have been through enough in their short lives and they don't need your fucking bullshit to add to it!!!
You make me sick!! I would like to rip your fucking head off and shit down your throat!! It is people like you that don't need to be in office and making decisions for our country!!

[Funkmama]

You make me sick, Fagan.

Go kill yourself.