Angela Honeycutt and Lynne Long throw slutty sleepovers.

[Unamused Cat]

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LOWER MAKEFIELD, Pa. -- A 38-year-old woman has been arrested for allegedly having sex with a 15-year-old boy and engaging in sexual acts with several other teenagers, police announced yesterday.
Angela Honeycutt

The crimes allegedly committed by Angela Honeycutt took place on April 14 as six boys -- aged 14 to 16 -- attended a "sleepover" at the township home of 45-year-old Lynne Long, police said, noting that Honeycutt and Long are friends and parents themselves.

Police did not provide an address for Long's home.

In addition to having sex with the 15-year-old, Honeycutt allegedly sexually assaulted a 14-year-old boy, exposed her breasts to all the boys present, open-mouth kissed some of the boys, engaged in conversations of a sexual nature with them, and "entered a shower with a juvenile where acts of indecent assault occurred," according to police.
Lynne Long

Police also allege that Lynne Long "was present and/or aware that these acts were occurring and actually encouraged the boys to listen by a bedroom doorway as the sexual intercourse was taking place."

http://www.nj.com/centraljersey/index.ssf/2008/06/woman_charged_with_sexual_assa.html

[Countess Olenska]

What? Who doesn't do this?

[SoUncool]

I know I'm gonna get groaned on this comment but who the fuck cares. I'm NOT making excuses for these ho's - just saying that I'm sure that NOT ONE of those boys ran home to mommy and said they were "assaulted" or "she showed her titties" or "it was just indecent, mommy." Bet ya $10... Who the fuck squealed on them?? They were bragging and somebody's sister overheard them. Bet ya $10 on that too...

[gprime]

I know I'm gonna get groaned on this comment but who the fuck cares. I'm NOT making excuses for these ho's - just saying that I'm sure that NOT ONE of those boys ran home to mommy and said they were "assaulted" or "she showed her titties" or "it was just indecent, mommy." Bet ya $10... Who the fuck squealed on them?? They were bragging and somebody's sister overheard them. Bet ya $10 on that too...

This is exactly the point I find myself so often making. These boys, all being in puberty, are horney as fuck. None of them are going to complain about getting some from decent looking women. And I suspect if they had any objections, they could've overpowered the women and removed themselves from the situation. In the student-teacher cases at least they can argue the abuse of authority. Here, that doesn't fly. There is no reason why these women need to be facing jail time unless any of the boys speak out, of their own accord, and claim to have been abused against their will. And even then, their testimony should be taken with a grain of salt, as it will likely have been influenced by their outraged parents.

[Jaded]

I know I'm gonna get groaned on this comment but who the fuck cares. I'm NOT making excuses for these ho's - just saying that I'm sure that NOT ONE of those boys ran home to mommy and said they were "assaulted" or "she showed her titties" or "it was just indecent, mommy." Bet ya $10... Who the fuck squealed on them?? They were bragging and somebody's sister overheard them. Bet ya $10 on that too...

And if the situation was reversed?? If it was a 38 and 45 year old man with a sleepover full of teen-aged girls, would that be OK?? And if one of those 14 year old girls was your daughter??

Just curious....

[gprime]

And if the situation was reversed?? If it was a 38 and 45 year old man with a sleepover full of teen-aged girls, would that be OK?? And if one of those 14 year old girls was your daughter??

Just curious....

I think the critical difference between the two, as I'm sure SoUncool will agree, is the pregnancy concern. Boys cannot get knocked up, whereas women can. There is no risk of boys having to choose between an abortion or dropping out of high school if the condom breaks and nobody realizes it for a a few weeks, when the morning after pill is no longer an option.

Of course, my stance remains constant, in that I would assert that there would be no real problem in that case either. Trying to win people over to your side by talking about how one would feel about "their kid" is a cheap shot. There is a massive difference between approving of something and simply not wanting to make a legal mountain out of a mole hill.

[Boondock]

First of all I would like to say "LOVE the new avatar gprime!!"

Second, as gprime said boys "are horny as fuck." Perhaps this is just a societal influence on our perceptions, but most people will assume that once a boy reaches puberty he will pretty much screw anything (say even a warm apple pie). :eyebrows:

On the other hand, girls are expected to be as pure as the driven snow (or at the very least to appear that way.)

Also, there is the issue of size :chuckle:. Most likey those teenage boys would have been able to overpower those particular women without too much effort. On the other hand, most teenage girls would not be able to over power a 45 and 38 year old man. I also think that, in general (again due to societal influence), girls are viewed as easier to victimize. Unfortunately, in most cases that is true. Women tend to be smaller and less powerful. Sucks, but there you have it. I honestly don't think the 2 situations can be compared.

[Jaded]

Trying to win people over to your side by talking about how one would feel about "their kid" is a cheap shot.

That wasn't meant as a cheap shot. I have teen daughters and a teen son. I would take issue if this situation happened with either of them. Why? Because of the predatory nature of these so-called adults. An attraction to teens is one thing, but acting upon it is, in my mind, pretty fuckin twisted. Especially in a group type setting such as this one.


Second, as Gprime said boys "are horny as fuck."
And girls aren't? I haven't seen a girl as 'pure as the driven snow' in quite some time. I think the 'boys are horny as fuck' excuse is pretty lame. Even if they would screw anything with a pulse, does it make it right for an adult of any gender to take advantage of it??

[Boondock]

What I said was girls are expected to be as pure as the driven snow. Not that they actually are. I was simply trying to point out that society as a whole tends to project these roles onto people purely based on their sex. For example a sexually promiscuous girl would be referred to as a slut, whore or easy, whereas the boy would be called a stud.

I wasn't trying to make a moral judgement on whether it was right or wrong. Simply pointing out a stereotype that seems to be widely accepted (at least in my midwest neck of the woods)

Even if they would screw anything with a pulse, does it make it right for an adult of any gender to take advantage of it??

I think that sadly enough if these two ladies were fat and sloppy you would get a lot more people that would jump on the "oh those poor boys" band wagon. As it is, the fact that the top one especially is really quite good looking kind of puts a crimp in that. Of course I'm not saying that if a good looking guy molests a teen girl that she shouldn't be upset or that it is somehow less morally wrong. I'm just curious as to whether any of these boys actually objected to what happened or if they were simply bragging about it.

Now with that said, no I don't think it's right for an adult of any gender to take advantage of a horny teenager of any gender. I am simply questioning whether or not that is the instance in this case.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

I think the critical difference between the two, as I'm sure SoUncool will agree, is the pregnancy concern. Boys cannot get knocked up, whereas women can. There is no risk of boys having to choose between an abortion or dropping out of high school if the condom breaks and nobody realizes it for a a few weeks, when the morning after pill is no longer an option.
Nope, boys can't get pregnant. They can become fathers and have to choose between an abortion or dropping out of high school to get a job to pay child support. Granted this rarely occurs but it has.

Gprime, in your scenario, at what age (or under what conditions) should it be illegal to have sex with a minor? Just pickin' your brain. There has to be a line that one does not cross.

[Jaded]

I have to wonder why these women were hosting a sleep-over for a bunch of teen boys anyway. The article states that both of the women are parents.....were their children involved in the mix as well?? Cause that's just a whole new level of disgusting......

[Jaded]

Little more info....

http://www.buckslocalnews.com/WebApp/appmanager/JRC/Weekly;!829828427?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pg_wk_article&r21.pgpath=%2FBLN%2FHome&r21.content=%2FBLN%2FHome%2FBreakingNews_Story_219 3062 (http://www.buckslocalnews.com/WebApp/appmanager/JRC/Weekly;%21829828427?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pg_wk_article&r21.pgpath=%2FBLN%2FHome&r21.content=%2FBLN%2FHome%2FBreakingNews_Story_219 3062)

Coluzzi added that one of the boys at the sleepover told his parents what happened and they notified the police.

For her part in the alleged activity, Long has been charged with endangering the welfare of children and the corruption of minors, both of which are misdemeanor crimes carrying a maximum of five years in prison.

Honeycutt has been charged with statutory sexual assault and unlawful contact with a minor, both of which are felonies, along with indecent assault and corruption of minors, which are both misdemeanors. The felonies carry a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.


Honeycutt and Long are both mothers of two. Honeycutt has an 8-year-old daughter and an 11-year-old son, while Long has sons, ages 12 and 15.

[celtic friend]

That wasn't meant as a cheap shot. I have teen daughters and a teen son. I would take issue if this situation happened with either of them. Why? Because of the predatory nature of these so-called adults. An attraction to teens is one thing, but acting upon it is, in my mind, pretty fuckin twisted. Especially in a group type setting such as this one.


And girls aren't? I haven't seen a girl as 'pure as the driven snow' in quite some time. I think the 'boys are horny as fuck' excuse is pretty lame. Even if they would screw anything with a pulse, does it make it right for an adult of any gender to take advantage of it??
Exactly, it is predatory. These adults are supposed to know better, they are also in a position of authority. No matter what, be it a boy or girl, this is wrong. Just like the parent who buys their kids' friends beer when they are 14, the kids might like it but it is still wrong, and illegal.

[Mom of 4]

Little more info....

http://www.buckslocalnews.com/WebApp/appmanager/JRC/Weekly;!829828427?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pg_wk_article&r21.pgpath=%2FBLN%2FHome&r21.content=%2FBLN%2FHome%2FBreakingNews_Story_219 3062 (http://www.buckslocalnews.com/WebApp/appmanager/JRC/Weekly;%21829828427?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pg_wk_article&r21.pgpath=%2FBLN%2FHome&r21.content=%2FBLN%2FHome%2FBreakingNews_Story_219 3062)



Soooo....I suspect at the very least Long's kid or even kid's were there. You are right that's a whole new level of fucked up. I'll bet he wasn't "horny as fuck" .:puke:

[petrina]

yeah i find it very interesting and a little disturbing the difference between the reactions to this story and the one where the lady in the trailer last week was doing the same thing. last week it was outrage. this week it is attaboy.

there are two things happening here that i dont like. one is that it seems that the hotter the mom, the more ok it is for her to molest. this barbie mentality is sophmoric at best.

the other one is the double standard between how we respond to our boys and our girls. the pregnancy issue is bullshit. its less ok for girls to have sex bc they might get pregnant? are you serious? is this leave it to beaver? might i remind you that a. unless the boys are having sex with each other or their moms - which very may well be the case, actually... who are they left to have sex with and b. there are plenty of sexual acts that dont have much risk of pregnancy and c. pregnancy is the least of a teen's worries, which is why STD rates are growing among young people and d. it takes two to make a baby and this RubyRidge-esque thought keeps the women in the kitchen.

leaving the pregnancy issue behind - women and men are both sexual beings. men are encouraged to be sexual - or at least it is thought of as normal. while women are encouraged to keep it under wraps. in both instances, it can lead to a cat and mouse game of over-expression and repression that get in the way of normal adult functioning. we see it here in the forum every day. hell, its what most of the stories are about.

if these women need attention or need to get laid - they can pick on someone their own size.

[Mom of 4]

I'm out of thanks Petrina but I agree with you. The pregnancy BS is laughable. Just because boys like sex doesn't mean it is ok for these women to break the law anymore than it is for a man to.

Seems like some think there should be laws that only apply to men because "boys are horny as fuck". That is the most asinine thing I have ever heard. And yes, girl's are "horny as fuck" too in case you men don't realize that. Just because there is no hard on for verification doesn't mean it isn't so.

Leave it to Beaver indeed.:doh:

[celtic friend]

I wanted to add here that if we go by whether or not the child/teen "likes" or "wants" the molestor, there are plenty of kids that are not really mature enough to handle the sexually abusive relationship and "believe" they like the molestor or what the molestor/abuser is doing, or they think if they enjoy the act it must not be wrong. Remember, sex acts are supposed to feel good. This confusion happens in very young kids.
I think of the case in Florida of the two brothers, one was definitely prepubscent and they both killed their father to be with the pedophile/pederast they "thought" they loved.
So sexually abuse messes with the mind so much, that we can not go by how the child/teen feels about it alone.

[Rotten Apple]

Both these bitches are criminals and need to be locked up. The law already exists, they broke it, they go to jail. End of story.

I am so surprised that anyone (except gprime of course) would be defending these whores. Boys will poke anything that will stay still long enough for them, girls mature emotionally and physically faster than boys, blah blah blah. The debate has already happened and majority rules. These women are sex offenders. They knew it was wrong and they still did it.

If this was one of my children, these whores would be safer in jail anyway.

and for the record, I think your new avatar sucks gprime. I think its funny that your intolerance is acceptable just because of the state of current affairs. But oh well, I can deal with it. I guess you would be able to handle someone's anti-semitic avatar without be offended right?

[Mom of 4]

I wanted to add here that if we go by whether or not the child/teen "likes" or "wants" the molestor, there are plenty of kids that are not really mature enough to handle the sexually abusive relationship and "believe" they like the molestor or what the molestor/abuser is doing, or they think if they enjoy the act it must not be wrong. Remember, sex acts are supposed to feel good. This confusion happens in very young kids.
I think of the case in Florida of the two brothers, one was definitely prepubscent and they both killed their father to be with the pedophile/pederast they "thought" they loved.
So sexually abuse messes with the mind so much, that we can not go by how the child/teen feels about it alone.


Thank you for saying that CF. I would have thought that would be a given to most here but now I am not so sure. I sometimes think we are headed back to the day when a short skirt meant you deserved to be raped when I read some of the posts here. :help:

[celtic friend]

Thank you for saying that CF. I would have thought that would be a given to most here but now I am not so sure. I sometimes think we are headed back to the day when a short skirt meant you deserved to be raped when I read some of the posts here. :help:
No problem, sex abuse and the after effects is something I know about. It is more mental than anything else.

[Jaded]

just saying that I'm sure that NOT ONE of those boys ran home to mommy and said they were "assaulted" or "she showed her titties" or "it was just indecent, mommy." Bet ya $10...

Looks like ya lost that bet. ;)

Looking at both of their mugs, I don't think either one of them are 'hot'. I've seen better mugs in Swivels mugshot thread. And on that note, I think you have to be pretty fuckin pathetic if you can't find a 'lay' in your own age range.

[CPL CHUD]

There is no risk of boys having to choose between an abortion or dropping out of high school if the condom breaks and nobody realizes it for a a few weeks, when the morning after pill is no longer an option.Woefully short sighted my friend.

There are life altering risks being played with here that a minor should not be subjected to, horny or not.

[Rob Taylor]

The elephant in the room that some are ignoring is that when 38 an 45-year-old women are "partying" with young boys it's because A) Their Psycho and B) Drugs are involved.

A couple of coke whores nail some kids and we all laugh, until those kids have the clap and a pregnant Psycho demanding he "man up" and marry her. By the gods people just because the kid might have liked it doesn't mean it was right!

[Jaded]

The elephant in the room that some are ignoring is that when 38 an 45-year-old women are "partying" with young boys it's because A) Their Psycho and B) Drugs are involved.

A couple of coke whores nail some kids and we all laugh, until those kids have the clap and a pregnant Psycho demanding he "man up" and marry her. By the gods people just because the kid might have liked it doesn't mean it was right!

I read in another article that alcohol and drugs were not involved...
Soooo...that just leaves depravity with a side of desperation.

[Morbid]

I know I'm gonna get groaned on this comment but who the fuck cares. I'm NOT making excuses for these ho's - just saying that I'm sure that NOT ONE of those boys ran home to mommy and said they were "assaulted" or "she showed her titties" or "it was just indecent, mommy." Bet ya $10... Who the fuck squealed on them?? They were bragging and somebody's sister overheard them. Bet ya $10 on that too...

Looks like you owe us 20.00.

[Abroad]

I never thought I would hear someone say that size matters and agree so whole-heartedly :wink:

[gprime]

Gprime, in your scenario, at what age (or under what conditions) should it be illegal to have sex with a minor? Just pickin' your brain. There has to be a line that one does not cross.

Personally, I would suggest that since pueberty is most often reached by 13 or earlier, I would use 13 as the standard. But, I think a reasonable case could be made for 14 as well, since that is the age at which one usually begins high school.

[gprime]

and for the record, I think your new avatar sucks gprime. I think its funny that your intolerance is acceptable just because of the state of current affairs. But oh well, I can deal with it. I guess you would be able to handle someone's anti-semitic avatar without be offended right?

And you're entitled to your opinion. But there is purpose behind my choice. I chose an image that might be "offensive" to Muslims because I will not tolerate the violence and intimidation they attempt to use to silence critics. Obviously, there are many "Muslims" who are peaceful (though a literal interpertation of the faith would suggest that they are all apostates deserving death). But there are also many millions advocating violence, and using the Koran to justify it. When anybody dares bring attention to it, they are hunted down, and killed when possible. Look at Rushdie, who was forced into hiding for his book The Satanic Verses. Of how about we think back to Theo Van Gogh, who was murdered after making a film critical of Islam's treatment of women. Or lest we forget the many still in hiding or under threat, such as Dr. Wafa Sultan, an ex-Muslim who has been living in fear since she dared to call Islam a religion of violence on an Arabic television network.

Free speech is about the right to speak openly and critically, without fear of legal sanction or physical jeopardy. They are attempting to limit this through violence and terror, which cannot ever be excused.

As per the Jewish comparison, I think it is inappropriate. While I might be offended by certain anti-semitic images that others might use as avatars, it would not be new to me. I follow the Islamic media very closely, reading more sources from the Middle East than you likely do from around the entire world. So I've seen all of their filth. And you know what? Not once have I called for the beheading of those who insult the Jewish community, as Muslims have done regarding those who they say insult Islam. Not once has a riot broken out, with Jews burning a foreign embassy, murdering a journalist or artist, or forcing people into hiding. That is the critical difference. While perhaps offended, we do not try to silence our critics, however invalid their claims may be, through violence and intimidation.

I realize that this is wildly off topic, so I do apologize for derailing the thread. But I feel that this was an important point to make. Just because liberals like Kathy are happy to roll over and become dhimmis does not mean we all are. Some of us actually value free expression, and will come to its defense in small, symbolic gestures such as this.

[Rotten Apple]

I realize that this is wildly off topic, so I do apologize for derailing the thread. But I feel that this was an important point to make. Just because liberals like Kathy are happy to roll over and become dhimmis does not mean we all are. Some of us actually value free expression, and will come to its defense in small, symbolic gestures such as this.

Seriously gprime, I value free expression, that is why I expressed that your avatar was stupid bullshit. If I was someone who rolled over I would have patted you on the back for your hatred and talked about how those damn muslims are the root of all evil. That's what sheeple do.

You are pretty much perpetuating the same intolerance on muslims that the jewish people have been the victims of for many years. I would think you would know better...but wait, you wouldn't. You are just a spoiled coddled child when it comes to the real world. All the real injustices are being experienced by other people in other parts of the world and generations that have passed.

Don't think for one second you know anything about me or how liberal I may be. I don't sit on my computer and spout of my political views like you seem to enjoy so much. Words and cheesy little avatars mean NOTHING gprime. Go out and do something. Sign up for the armed forces. Fight those evil muslims on the front line. Kill them. Tell them they are pig fuckers to their faces.

You won't. You are too soft. You live in a tiny bubble of a world filled with people like you and only you. Anyone else is not welcome. You are not hiding your racism for one tiny second here. And I know it isn't just against muslims.

You used to amuse me. Now I pity you.

[Boondock]

Wow, I don't check into the thread for awhile and the shit hits the fan!

First off I would like to say that there are very few things on which I agree with gprime. But I absolutely find his avatar funny. The same way that I find women or men bashing jokes funny: with an eye roll and a chuckle. Mostly because those jokes poke fun at a stereotype. I personally have no problems with stereotypes as long as they don't color a person's treatment of the individual. For example, enjoy the "dumb blonde" jokes but don't assume every blonde you meet is going to be dumb. That would just be asinine. Laugh at the punchline "nacho cheese" but don't assume that black guy walking down the street is on welfare.

Do I think all muslims should die? Absolutely not. Would never even think of uttering that statement. However, many (not all but many) muslims have absolutely no problem saying that all infidels should die. Gotta say, I take offense to that. Also, with all the media coverage I haven't heard a loud out cry from the "peaceful" muslim community condeming the militant muslims who espouse this view.

Whether you like gprime's views or not, you have to acknowledge that his references to Rushdie etc. are true. If Christians had done the same sorts of things to their detractors, would you be defending them? What if the entire Christian community stood behind those actions (or at least said nothing against them). I really hope that you would not defend them then. I certainly would not.

The majority of the Christian community responded negatively to the bombings of abortion clinics. I know at my parent's church there was more than one sermon talking about the sinfullness of those actions. And there were many public announcements to that effect as well. Where is a similar response from the muslim community? Where is the outrage at the atrocities commited in their religion's name? If I have simply missed those news broadcasts then I apologize.

I think the tone of this thread went quite suddenly to very hostile. Perhaps that is due in part to your previous experience with gprime (of which I don't really have any). If that is the case then I obviously kicked a bee hive quite inadvertantly.

[Boondock]

:focus:
No I don't think that what those two women did is acceptable. However, as a society (right or wrong) you have to admit that we are less likely to consider it abuse when it is an older woman and a younger boy than with an older man and younger girl. Is this a stereotype that should be challenged? Sure why not. I'm fine with challenging any and all stereotypes. But it's going to take a long ass time for you to see any change in society's thinking as a whole. The length of time between the abolition of slavery and the civil rights movement should show you that.

I think the idea of the age of consent being 13 is absolutely ridiculous. I have met many thirteen year olds - boys and girls - and there hasn't been a one that was emotionally ready for the aftereffects of sex: no matter what their body was telling them. I suppose that objectively you could look at the biology of a 13 year old and say yeah they're ready for sex. Their hormones are surging, their bodies are changing, etc. However, a person is not just a physical being. They are emotional as well.

On the flip side, I have met a number of 16 and 17 year old girls who were very sexual beings who were more than capable of seducing a man. I can't say that I would blame a man in his early 20's who was seduced by one of these types of girls. Especially considering that just a few short years ago, a girl that age would have been completely acceptable for him to date. However, in the majority of circumstances this is not the case.

I absolutely believe that the age of consent should be 18. However, I think that the law needs to have some flexibility to it.

[Jaded]

However, as a society (right or wrong) you have to admit that we are less likely to consider it abuse when it is an older woman and a younger boy than with an older man and younger girl.
No...I am not less likely to consider it abuse just because it is a woman committing the crime. The penalties should be the same, man or woman, boy child or girl child. Law is law and it is there for a reason....a woman should not get slapped on the wrist for committing the same crime a man will be put in prison for 10-20 years. Women have begged and pleaded for years to be treated as a man's equal....so let them have their equality in the courts as well as in the workplace, etc.

I absolutely believe that the age of consent should be 18. However, I think that the law needs to have some flexibility to it.
What kind of flexibility are you talking about when it comes to crimes of a sexual nature between an adult and a child under the age of consent? How would you determine the punishment and who deserves more flexibility?

[Boondock]

No...I am not less likely to consider it abuse just because it is a woman committing the crime.

Not once did I say that YOU PERSONALLY were less likely to consider it abuse. I said society as a whole and in general is less likely to consider it abuse. Just to be clear, I was referring to cases in which it is possible it was a mutual consent situation. As more details come out on this case, this is looking less and less like such a situation.

Law is law and it is there for a reason....a woman should not get slapped on the wrist for committing the same crime a man will be put in prison for 10-20 years. Women have begged and pleaded for years to be treated as a man's equal....so let them have their equality in the courts as well as in the workplace, etc.


I whole heartedly agree with this. However, (and perhaps I am a little Jaded :)) I don't believe that society in general has reached that point yet. (Who knows, maybe I'm wrong about that - it has happened before.) Is this a societal more that needs to be challenged? Again, I say why not? More power to ya. Just don't expect that everyone is going to agree with you right off the bat.

[Boondock]

What kind of flexibility are you talking about when it comes to crimes of a sexual nature between an adult and a child under the age of consent? How would you determine the punishment and who deserves more flexibility?

The kind of flexibility I'm talking about is simply making sure that the punsihment fits the crime. I'm pretty sure that it was somewhere on this site that I saw the following story:

Man meets a girl and starts a relationship with her. She tells him that she is 20 (or whatever the age was - definitely legal). After a sexual relationship has been started, he starts to suspect that she is lying. The man goes to her father to find out the truth. Turns out that the girl is under age and the father files charges against the man. And to top it off, the girl has done something like this before.

Now I think it is absolutely ridiculous that this man will have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life. Is he a dumb fuck? Well, Duh. But register as a sex offender? That's a little harsh.

[Rotten Apple]

Do I think all muslims should die? Absolutely not. Would never even think of uttering that statement. However, many (not all but many) muslims have absolutely no problem saying that all infidels should die. Gotta say, I take offense to that. Also, with all the media coverage I haven't heard a loud out cry from the "peaceful" muslim community condeming the militant muslims who espouse this view.


I don't discount the examples he gave at all. And exactly how many muslims have no problem saying that infidels should die? Do you have a percentage? I HAVE heard the members of the muslim community condemn the militant muslims in the media.

I live in the US where there is a large Muslim population that is peaceful and do nothing but live their day to day lives like anyone else. Go to work, support their families and worship as they see fit. I work with a couple of these people. Its funny how I never feared for my life around them. How many people like gprime actually KNOW any muslims?

But that is besides the point. My problem is specifically with gprime, I think alot of his views contradict each other. Probably should not have spilled out of three things but it did.

[petrina]

i do agree that there are certain times when the age of consent law should be lenient - but with so many dorky parents and kids around - how do you deem them suitable to make the choice? i am thinking of a situation where a 16 year old and a 17 year old are dating and the 17 year old turns 18. then technically s/he is having sexual contact with a minor, tho nothing else has changed. do they stop dating til the younger one has a bday? idk. tough call

regarding older people dating younger who are lied to: my friend dates only younger men, they both want it that way, and he IDs his dates before their first date, and makes a copy of the ID. Also, living in MO where it is against the law to "exchange fluids" with someone if you are HIV pos without telling them first of your infection, it is your word against theirs if later someone gets upset and decides to get back at you for something by lying about your truthfulness. Some of my clients also get written statements that they have disclosed their status before sexual contact. does it suck that we live in a world where this has to happen? yeah. but not as much as going to prison and being labelled a sex offender.

but this is not what was happening with these women. they knew damn well the ages of these kids. one of them had a kid the same age. i hope he wasnt home but he prolly was. and even if he wasnt... "dude, i fucked your mom - she is hot". ew.

and re: muslims and rushdie. yes it sucks that some muslims are calling for violence. but i see no reason to ostracize the whole religion/race of people. when i was 15 a boy stole my purse. he happened to be black. i hated what he did but if i then turned around and hated all black people, that would make me a bigot. when i was 15 a boy broke my heart - but to turn around and hate all boys would leave me a very sad person indeed. we can hate the mother who kills her baby - but why hate all mothers. we can laugh at the priest who runs naked - but why laugh at all priests. it just isnt rational. or fair.

[Mom of 4]

i do agree that there are certain times when the age of consent law should be lenient - but with so many dorky parents and kids around - how do you deem them suitable to make the choice? i am thinking of a situation where a 16 year old and a 17 year old are dating and the 17 year old turns 18. then technically s/he is having sexual contact with a minor, tho nothing else has changed. do they stop dating til the younger one has a bday? idk. tough call



This is why I think the law we have in Canada is a good one in this regard. Our age of consent is 14 here and has been for a very long time. As a psychologist who deals with troubled kids I could give you a long list of reasons why it's too young and I have the case files to back that up. However outside of the actual "age" of consent we also have a clause that allows for individuals who are no more than 2 years apart in age to engage in sexual relations so long as the sex is . There for if teens are dating and one hasn't reached the age of 14 yet and the other is under 16 it isn't a crime. Again I am not a fan of 14 being the age of consent but it is what it is.

[CPL CHUD]

:focus:
However, as a society (right or wrong) you have to admit that we are less likely to consider it abuse when it is an older woman and a younger boy than with an older man and younger girl.
This phrase is tossed around alot, but I think it sums it up perfectly "Good thing being right is not a popularity contest". I don't care how many people might not consider this abuse, or think that all oriental people are chinks, call dark skinned people niggers, or have muslims butt fucking pigs in their avatars, it's all wrong. But I agree, some people are going to purposefully remain ignorant lifetimes over, but still, it shouldn't sway the moral minority from doing what they believe is right.

[Boondock]

I don't discount the examples he gave at all. And exactly how many muslims have no problem saying that infidels should die? Do you have a percentage? I HAVE heard the members of the muslim community condemn the militant muslims in the media.


I have no idea the actual percentage. It is simply my perception based on what I have seen of the news coverage of radical muslims and really muslims in general. If there has been a major outcry from Muslims in the media, I must have missed those broadcasts (which is in no way impossible). Any time I have heard even a mild denouncement such as: they really shouldn't have attacked the World Trade Center, it seems to always be followed with a statement to the effect of: but they had good reasons to do so or they were pushed to that action by Americans. If that is simply a misconception I have formed due to bias news reporting then I apologize.

I live in the US where there is a large Muslim population that is peaceful and do nothing but live their day to day lives like anyone else. Go to work, support their families and worship as they see fit. I work with a couple of these people. Its funny how I never feared for my life around them. How many people like gprime actually KNOW any muslims?

I have never run into a Muslim in real life that I have not gotten along with. Of course, we didn't discuss religion or politics so that might have something to do with it. I've never had a problem separating a person from their religion (even though I was raised in a "bible thumping" type home). I guess it just bothers me when others cannot do the same. I just don't see a difference between Jihad and the Crusades. Both are intolerable and morally wrong. There is something reprehensible about saying "everyone who doesn't believe what I do should die"

The following quotes (from the Koran and followed by a definition) do not sound like a peaceful religion to me. Am I misunderstanding their true meaning or taking them out of context?

"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people. They will spare no pains to corrupt you. They desire nothing but your ruin. Their hatred is evident from what they utter with their mouths, but greater is the hatred which their breasts conceal" (3:118).

"Believers, if you yield to the infidels they will drag you back to unbelief and you will return headlong to perdition. . . .We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. . . . The Fire shall be their home" (3:149-51).

"Let not the unbelievers think that We prolong their days for their own good. We give them respite only so that they may commit more grievous sins. Shameful punishment awaits them" (3:178).

"[T]heir hearts were hardened, and Satan made their deeds seem fair to them. And when they had clean forgotten Our admonition We granted them all that they desired; but just as they were rejoicing in what they were given, We suddenly smote them and they were plunged into utter despair. Thus were the evil-doers annihilated. Praise be to God, Lord of the Universe!" (6:43–45).

Someone who has rejected Islam who was once a Muslim is an "apostate." This is a crime and a sin, and the punishment for it is death (and eternal damnation in hell thereafter).

Sorry, I know this post is rather disjointed but I've been up for almost 20 hours and I'm starting to get fuzzy. :zzz:

[Boondock]

and re: muslims and rushdie. yes it sucks that some muslims are calling for violence. but i see no reason to ostracize the whole religion/race of people. when i was 15 a boy stole my purse. he happened to be black. i hated what he did but if i then turned around and hated all black people, that would make me a bigot. when i was 15 a boy broke my heart - but to turn around and hate all boys would leave me a very sad person indeed. we can hate the mother who kills her baby - but why hate all mothers. we can laugh at the priest who runs naked - but why laugh at all priests. it just isnt rational. or fair.

But this was exactly my point. There is no entire group of people that I hate. I protest the fact that it seems as though the Koran encourages Muslims to hate all those who don't believe as they do. That's gotta be a pretty damn big group to ostracize!

[Boondock]

But I agree, some people are going to purposefully remain ignorant lifetimes over, but still, it shouldn't sway the moral minority from doing what they believe is right.

I wasn't attempting to comment on the morality of the issue. And I agree that the moral minority should do what they believe is right.

[MISSanthropic]

[QUOTE=gprime;44808]I think the critical difference between the two, as I'm sure SoUncool will agree, is the pregnancy concern. Boys cannot get knocked up, whereas women can. There is no risk of boys having to choose between an abortion or dropping out of high school if the condom breaks and nobody realizes it for a a few weeks, when the morning after pill is no longer an option.
QUOTE]


Yeah, an even better scenario would be for the young teen to knock up the 38 year old woman... And you know some bitches would be crazy/stupid enough to have the kid..

What a bonding experience..Boy starts college..his kid starts kindergarten..hey now

This double standard is ridiculous.

[gprime]

Seriously gprime, I value free expression, that is why I expressed that your avatar was stupid bullshit. If I was someone who rolled over I would have patted you on the back for your hatred and talked about how those damn muslims are the root of all evil. That's what sheeple do.

You are pretty much perpetuating the same intolerance on muslims that the jewish people have been the victims of for many years. I would think you would know better...but wait, you wouldn't. You are just a spoiled coddled child when it comes to the real world. All the real injustices are being experienced by other people in other parts of the world and generations that have passed.

Don't think for one second you know anything about me or how liberal I may be. I don't sit on my computer and spout of my political views like you seem to enjoy so much. Words and cheesy little avatars mean NOTHING gprime. Go out and do something. Sign up for the armed forces. Fight those evil muslims on the front line. Kill them. Tell them they are pig fuckers to their faces.

You won't. You are too soft. You live in a tiny bubble of a world filled with people like you and only you. Anyone else is not welcome. You are not hiding your racism for one tiny second here. And I know it isn't just against muslims.

You used to amuse me. Now I pity you.


Kathy, you are, as usual, an ignorant bitch. At no point in time have I suggested Muslims or Islam are the root of all evil. Indeed, I support the Pipes estimate that 85% of Mulims are peaceful and non-radical. But that still leaves 15%. And that translates to well over 200 million people who find, quite easily I might add, their justification for violence and abuse in their religion.

As for serving, why should I? I am opposed to collectivism, and have no serious loyalty to this or any other nation. The notion of sarificing my own security to save scumbags like you is laughable at best. It is not a question of being coddled, but of being realistic.

Unlike you, I'm familiar with Islam, and am accordingly critical of the religion, and those who pratice it in the literal fashion demanded in the Koran. And, apparently even more unlike you, I read news other than just that of the true crime variety. The fact is, free speech is under threat, because those who share my distaste for the world's most violent religion are either being hunted down by the 15% who threaten our way of life, or are being jailed in their own democracies that supposedly believe in free speech.

[gprime]

Its funny how I never feared for my life around them. How many people like gprime actually KNOW any muslims?

Actually, I know quite a number of them. Some of my better friends are Muslim. And guess what? They realize something you apparently cannot, which is that Islam endorses violence at its most basic level, and that according hundreds of millions of them a threats to us. But they realize, as do I, that those hundreds of millions are still a minority, and that the rest of the Muslim community is not a problem. If you can't make the distinction, it is more a reflection of your exceptional ignorance regarding the subject of Islamic theology and contemporary Jihadist violence than my alleged and unfounded racism.

But that is besides the point. My problem is specifically with gprime, I think alot of his views contradict each other. Probably should not have spilled out of three things but it did.

Ohh, please do expand on this one. I'm curious to see what it is that your ill-informed ass believes I support that contradicts other publically stated positions. I could use a good laugh.

[Rotten Apple]

Actually, I know quite a number of them. Some of my better friends are Muslim. And guess what? They realize something you apparently cannot, which is that Islam endorses violence at its most basic level, and that according hundreds of millions of them a threats to us. But they realize, as do I, that those hundreds of millions are still a minority, and that the rest of the Muslim community is not a problem. If you can't make the distinction, it is more a reflection of your exceptional ignorance regarding the subject of Islamic theology and contemporary Jihadist violence than my alleged and unfounded racism.



Ohh, please do expand on this one. I'm curious to see what it is that your ill-informed ass believes I support that contradicts other publically stated positions. I could use a good laugh.

LMAO!!!

Gprime you are the ignorant little bitch here. If I believed half the stuff you typed about your personal life I'd have to be retarded. You are so full of shit you are starting to believe it yourself. There is no way your "muslim friends" would know about your hatred and still remain your friends. I doubt you even have one close friend of any religion or ethnicity. Most religions endorse violence at their most basic level you asshole. That is the problem with religion.

You paint muslims with one brush in one post and then come on here and spout this bullshit on how you realize the violent ones are just a minority. HAHA!!!

Gprime, get some life experience. Reading about others on the internet and in the news and in books is no excuse for the real thing. Step outside of your little circle you arrogant fuck. You may learn something.

But of course, you can't possibly learn anything from anyone else, you know best.

And remember, you worthless shit, that those people that are serving in the armed forces are protecting scumbags like your ass and your right to free speech. I contribute to society. You just sit in your parents house and spout off about how you think things should be.

You are so pathetic. You make me retch.

As far as I'm concerned you can just go fuck yourself. Speaking to you is like talking to a wall. A complete waste of my time.

[ceisdsgil]

I'm out of thanks Petrina but I agree with you. The pregnancy BS is laughable. Just because boys like sex doesn't mean it is ok for these women to break the law anymore than it is for a man to.

Seems like some think there should be laws that only apply to men because "boys are horny as fuck". That is the most asinine thing I have ever heard. And yes, girl's are "horny as fuck" too in case you men don't realize that. Just because there is no hard on for verification doesn't mean it isn't so.

Leave it to Beaver indeed.:doh:


I'm in agreement here with you. Double standards as it is. Sadly, both women should be locked up. The boys were probably thinking they hit the jack-pot until one mentioned it to their folks.

Were it one of my kids, you can bet I'd be raising hell.

My ex has this 'belief' that all kids are horny and that we need to just let 'em all go at it with whomever they want (even if this means they want to go at it with an adult). This *is* one of the reasons he's an ex.
I don't share in that belief and to be honest, am quite disgusted by the idea of an adult engaging in sex with a minor.
Whether the adult be male or female, it is wrong in my not so humble opinion.


My $.02
~ceisdsgil

[celtic friend]

I got to reply to the groan here Gprime. You are actually groaning me for saying that sexual abuse messes with peoples minds?
Have a 40 year old man stick his dick in your mouth when you are 5 and see if that leaves you totally unaffected and doesn't change how you feel about anything sexual.


I am now debating whether to edit this or not as i really do not like it being up here. I got caught in the moment trying to prove my point. But then I think of how we talk about all of these other cases on here which clearly depict what happened to the child, most of it is awful. There are plenty of myspaces, last names, google earths and so forth, where the victim really can't hide who they are anymore. So I will let this stay, to show the abused that there is nothing to ashamed of, it is Ok to admit what happened to you, you aren't the one who did anything wrong.

[ceisdsgil]

I got to reply to the groan here Gprime. You are actually groaning me for saying that sexual abuse messes with peoples minds?
Have a 40 year old man stick his dick in your mouth when you are 5 and see if that leaves you totally unaffected and doesn't change how you feel about anything sexual.

I don't even want to begin to try to process that. :(

*hugs*

~ceisdsgil

[gprime]

LMAO!!!

Gprime you are the ignorant little bitch here. If I believed half the stuff you typed about your personal life I'd have to be retarded. You are so full of shit you are starting to believe it yourself. There is no way your "muslim friends" would know about your hatred and still remain your friends. I doubt you even have one close friend of any religion or ethnicity. Most religions endorse violence at their most basic level you asshole. That is the problem with religion.

You paint muslims with one brush in one post and then come on here and spout this bullshit on how you realize the violent ones are just a minority. HAHA!!!

Gprime, get some life experience. Reading about others on the internet and in the news and in books is no excuse for the real thing. Step outside of your little circle you arrogant fuck. You may learn something.

But of course, you can't possibly learn anything from anyone else, you know best.

And remember, you worthless shit, that those people that are serving in the armed forces are protecting scumbags like your ass and your right to free speech. I contribute to society. You just sit in your parents house and spout off about how you think things should be.

You are so pathetic. You make me retch.

As far as I'm concerned you can just go fuck yourself. Speaking to you is like talking to a wall. A complete waste of my time.

Well, I don't really need for you to believe me. At the end of the day, I am comfortable in knowing that I judge a person on their own merits, rather than birth circumstances. I have friends who are Muslim, Catholic, ect. I excoriate them for their belief, as I do find religion repulsive. But it is only a portion of their identity, and thus not something that should preclude association with a person unless they use it to justify oppression, abuse, or violence.

As for contributing to society, your stupid ass again fails to realize you are encouraging collectivism, which I oppose. One should act their own best interest exclusively. And for me to do that, I need a college degree. I have grander aspirations than you, and thus plenty happy to sit on my ass and earn a degree from an elite institution so that I have choice in life.

I'm glad people serve in our armed forced. Somebody needs to do the job. I however have no such interest. And, because unlike you, I support liberty, I'm not inclined to believe that one should be forced to serve or otherwise be helpful.

As far as your disdain goes, I could not care less. I hold your opinion in lower regard than I do David Duke's. You're a shrill cunt whose opinions have little logical basis, whose antagonism would make Ghengis Khan blush, and whose IQ would likely prevent you from receiving the death penalty in many states.

[celtic friend]

Gprime I wanted also to comment on your lack of loyalty to any nation (it does seem you have a certain loyalty to Israel and preserving it though), thankfully there are plenty of men and women you don't agree with you, and sacrifice their lives for your freedom. The irony of all of that is, if Gprimes were in charge we all would be living in a Muslim extremist nation right now, or at least some sort of oppressive society. Because you have said you have no loyalty and you would not take up for this nation.
As for your avatar, I highly doubt you showed that to any of your so called muslim friends and they found it appropriate. It is not like you have a disclaimer on there, claiming to be only for certain types of muslims. I also might be missing something cause I don't really get it? Is he humping the pig cause they don't eat pork?

[gprime]

Gprime I wanted also to comment on your lack of loyalty to any nation (it does seem you have a certain loyalty to Israel and preserving it though),

I want Israel to exist, because I support it conceptually. But I'm far too displeased with its current state for me to be sufficiently loyal that I'd put my life at risk for it. When Israel's military is being used more to displace its own people than to kill the enemy, there is a serious issue. The same is largely true with the US. If this country actually upheld liberty, I'd be far more supportive and loyal. That isn't to say I'd serve, but the odds would be much greater.

thankfully there are plenty of men and women you don't agree with you, and sacrifice their lives for your freedom. The irony of all of that is, if Gprimes were in charge we all would be living in a Muslim extremist nation right now, or at least some sort of oppressive society. Because you have said you have no loyalty and you would not take up for this nation.

That makes no sense whatsoever. I have continually maintained that the chief function of government is ensuring the security and liberty of the people. There is a big difference between my unwillingness to enlist at present and the sort of defense policy I would advocate if in politics. And, since I realize global jihad is the greatest threat to both, I can say quite reasonably that I would do virtually anything to combat said force.


[quote=celtic friend;45837] As for your avatar, I highly doubt you showed that to any of your so called muslim friends and they found it appropriate. It is not like you have a disclaimer on there, claiming to be only for certain types of muslims. I also might be missing something cause I don't really get it? Is he humping the pig cause they don't eat pork?

You're right - I don't bother running avater selections for random message boards by my Muslim friends to seek their endorsement. But I rather doubt they'd object, since I own a shirt that might be regarded as similarly offensive, which they quite appreciate. This however, is an irrelevant point. My avater isn't chosen with the intention of offending the average Muslim, but I will certainly not consider the feelings of any random ethnic, religious, or racial group when making such a selection.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

What was this thread about again?? Israeli sleepovers? Muslim Mommies? Does anyone remember?? I don't feel like reading back 2 pages to figure it out.

Maybe there should be a thread in Three Things titled "Gprime's Avatar"?? We could take bets on who gets the last word in. ;)
(I know, I'm being a snotty bitch. Sorry)

[Abroad]

Excellent suggestion! I took the liberty of creating such a thread for those who haven't finished with the subject. It may be found here: http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=45919#post45919

[Rotten Apple]

Holy shit kid. You are even dumber than I thought.

Get some friends, get a girlfriend, get laid and fuck off.

[SoUncool]

I think the critical difference between the two, as I'm sure SoUncool will agree, is the pregnancy concern. Boys cannot get knocked up, whereas women can. There is no risk of boys having to choose between an abortion or dropping out of high school if the condom breaks and nobody realizes it for a a few weeks, when the morning after pill is no longer an option. I DO NOT agree gprime. I do not think that is the critical difference. What this hos did was wrong, period. There are still other issues to consider such as STDs, etc.. I DO NOT CONDONE what they did as I said in my first post.

[SoUncool]

Coluzzi added that one of the boys at the sleepover told his parents what happened and they notified the police.

Nowhere in this article does it say the boy did anything but TELL his parents. It does not say that he was upset, it does not say that he didn't participate. It still does not mean he didn't join in and it still doesn't mean that he didn't like what he saw. He did the right thing by telling his folks if it bothered him. I still the other boys who did not tell their folks went around bragging to their friends and are probably now calling this boy a pussy.

THESE WOMEN are FUCKED UP. My whole point in the beginning was that these boys more than likely where NOT upset while it was going on. I STILL DO NOT CONDONE WHAT THEY DID!!

[Dr. Salvador]

just for the record:

Kathy has hands-down owned gprime in this little spat in a way that i havent seen in a good long while. almost like a 28 year old pro boxer beating the fuck out of a 15 year old jewish gimp in a wheelchair.

also, are we ignoring the fact that the jews have participated in their own brand of terrorism over the years also? not to mention the fact that the old testament is pretty much the most violent gathering together of fictional stories i have ever had the displeasure of reading. take off the fucking blinders would ya?!?!?!!? islam is an offshoot of judaism, and BOTH groups have a history rooted in violence and racism. wake the fuck up.

[Nell]

Trashcat is unamused! I think I will have to steal a favorite quote from the grand cat.....Bah!

[Mom of 4]

Trashcat is unamused! I think I will have to steal a favorite quote from the grand cat.....Bah!


I have just the picture for you too Nell!

http://i27.tinypic.com/2wemcxu.gif

[Nell]

I have just the picture for you too Nell!

http://i27.tinypic.com/2wemcxu.gif

Exactly! Go look at my boobs, rub one out and then take a long nap. Gets all the tension out! :love2:

[ceisdsgil]

just for the record:

Kathy has hands-down owned gprime in this little spat in a way that i havent seen in a good long while. almost like a 28 year old pro boxer beating the fuck out of a 15 year old jewish gimp in a wheelchair.

also, are we ignoring the fact that the jews have participated in their own brand of terrorism over the years also? not to mention the fact that the old testament is pretty much the most violent gathering together of fictional stories i have ever had the displeasure of reading. take off the fucking blinders would ya?!?!?!!? islam is an offshoot of judaism, and BOTH groups have a history rooted in violence and racism. wake the fuck up.

Christians and just about every other religious group if you will, have roots in violence and racism. this wasn't an argument about religion, it was an argument about right vs wrong in adult actions and behaviors.

Seriously, don't bring religion into a place where it has no bearing on the conversation.

By the way: your comment above makes you look like a racist.

Have a nice day. :)


~ceisdsgil

[Rotten Apple]

Seriously, don't bring religion into a place where it has no bearing on the conversation.

By the way: your comment above makes you look like a racist.

Have a nice day. :)


~ceisdsgil

In Salvador's defense, he was responding the argument gprime and I were having that was every bit about religion.

We derailed the thread, but he was on topic with our off topic convo. :D

[ceisdsgil]

In Salvador's defense, he was responding the argument gprime and I were having that was every bit about religion.

We derailed the thread, but he was on topic with our off topic convo. :D


I must've missed that part of the thread. My mistake. I apologize.

Do the threads here get derailed often? Just curious.


~ceisdsgil

I stand by what I said about him sounding racist, as he singled out the Jews.

[Rotten Apple]

I must've missed that part of the thread. My mistake. I apologize.

Do the threads here get derailed often? Just curious.


~ceisdsgil

I stand by what I said about him sounding racist, as he singled out the Jews.

Sometimes, not always.

He singled out the jews because gprime is jewish, basically saying that gprime's own ethnicity is responsible for some of the same atrocities as the muslims.

I know, it gets kind of confusing if you are kind of jumping in at the end..or middle.

[ceisdsgil]

Sometimes, not always.

He singled out the jews because gprime is jewish, basically saying that gprime's own ethnicity is responsible for some of the same atrocities as the muslims.

I know, it gets kind of confusing if you are kind of jumping in at the end..or middle.

Attacking someone else's choice of faith or ethnicity is a childish and immature way to make a statement. There is violent history in just about every choice of faith, except maybe for the "Flying Spaghetti Monster" or the "Church of the Subgenius"


as for coming in at the end, a lesson learned, for me, I suppose. :)

~ceisdsgil

[Mom of 4]

This is the exact reason I love DD! I hated all the other crime forums where the mods would come around and slap members for going off topic, close threads if the discussion got too heated and ban members for various things. When i would see the "stay on topic or the thread will be closed" it pissed me off. By off topic I don't mean specifically what happened her where we got off on religion but posts that were personal or funny between members as well. Talk about suppressing free speech!

We are all adults here and we wont always agree and yeah sometimes threads get off track but really does it matter? Everyone is free to post on topic at anytime if they choose or join in the discussion that is veering from the topic right?

Anyhoo....just my 2 cents here. For what it's worth.:noidea:

[ceisdsgil]

This is the exact reason I love DD! I hated all the other crime forums where the mods would come around and slap members for going off topic, close threads if the discussion got too heated and ban members for various things. When i would see the "stay on topic or the thread will be closed" it pissed me off. By off topic I don't mean specifically what happened her where we got off on religion but posts that were personal or funny between members as well. Talk about suppressing free speech!

We are all adults here and we wont always agree and yeah sometimes threads get off track but really does it matter? Everyone is free to post on topic at anytime if they choose or join in the discussion that is veering from the topic right?

Anyhoo....just my 2 cents here. For what it's worth.:noidea:

I don't have an issue with going off topic. What I do have an issue is when the off-topic becomes a personal attack on another. (What is the difference between this, and bullying?)

Whether it be intended to hurt or not. There is enough violence in the world that as adults, we should use our energies to improve the world, not encourage the hatred that already exists.

my $.02 for what it's worth.

~ceisdsgil

[Dr. Salvador]

Christians and just about every other religious group if you will, have roots in violence and racism. this wasn't an argument about religion, it was an argument about right vs wrong in adult actions and behaviors.

Seriously, don't bring religion into a place where it has no bearing on the conversation.

By the way: your comment above makes you look like a racist.

Have a nice day. :)


~ceisdsgil

i see that this was addressed before this post, but fuck it, i may as well give my own answer....eh:

seriously, just because you type the word "seriously" doesnt mean i will afford you any extra consideration, and im serious about that...........................seriously.......... . and how in the fuck do i sound like a racist defending someone from someone elses obvious racism?!?!?! and by the way, if it does make me look like a racist i promise not to give a fuck anyway.

I don't have an issue with going off topic. What I do have an issue is when the off-topic becomes a personal attack on another. (What is the difference between this, and bullying?)

Whether it be intended to hurt or not. There is enough violence in the world that as adults, we should use our energies to improve the world, not encourage the hatred that already exists.

:violin:
now this just reeks of gheyness. seriously..................please refrain from coming off like a little biatchhhhhhhh..........................seriousssss sssslllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!

maybe in the future you will learn to actually read the posts before you decide to try and save the world through the internet. also, save me you little history lessons eh, im pretty sure we all know that i despise any and all religious groups equally.

now by all means, please let this poor little thread get back on topic.
























seriously.

[Mom of 4]

I don't have an issue with going off topic. What I do have an issue is when the off-topic becomes a personal attack on another. (What is the difference between this, and bullying?)

Whether it be intended to hurt or not. There is enough violence in the world that as adults, we should use our energies to improve the world, not encourage the hatred that already exists.

my $.02 for what it's worth.

~ceisdsgil


While I get what you are saying, I don't see two members having a heated discussion as bullying at all. Basically if you can dish it out you should expect it back. Kathy & Gprime have a "history" if you will lol. They can both hold their own. While these types of discussions usually take place in the "three things" section where all bets are off, this one just spilled out in a different forum. For the most part it does stay contained in the 3 things thread though.

[ceisdsgil]

While I get what you are saying, I don't see two members having a heated discussion as bullying at all. Basically if you can dish it out you should expect it back. Kathy & Gprime have a "history" if you will lol. They can both hold their own. While these types of discussions usually take place in the "three things" section where all bets are off, this one just spilled out in a different forum. For the most part it does stay contained in the 3 things thread though.

I see your point, and I can agree with you. another lesson learned for me. Seems today is the day of lessons for me. :)

Thank you for being articulate in your response to me, and explaining the difference, as you see it.

~ceisdsgil

[Mom of 4]

I see your point, and I can agree with you. another lesson learned for me. Seems today is the day of lessons for me. :)

Thank you for being articulate in your response to me, and explaining the difference, as you see it.

~ceisdsgil


No problem. I was new once too and it takes time to get to know everyone and figure out who is sarcastic, or serious or funny etc.. Some I am still not sure about actually. :biggrin1:

[ceisdsgil]

No problem. I was new once too and it takes time to get to know everyone and figure out who is sarcastic, or serious or funny etc.. Some I am still not sure about actually. :biggrin1:


:) It is true, it does take time to figure out people's behaviors. :)


~ceisdsgil

[Dakota Valkyrie]

I don't mind a derail. I have participated and caused off topics. I just felt this had a topic going on that neither side was going to win over the hearts of the other or back down. By taking it to a separate post, maybe folks that don't read this section would see it and want to contribute. (yeah, that's the ticket - sounds like a good made up excuse doesn't it?? :))

Never mind. I just won't read this thread anymore. *stamps foot and pouts* Although I felt the original topic was one worth discussing... the one where 2 moms slept with son's friends and it's related "age of consent" that usually follows this type of thread.

[ceisdsgil]

I don't mind a derail. I have participated and caused off topics. I just felt this one was getting heated to the point where there was only one topic going on. By taking it to a separate post, maybe folks that don't read this section would see it and want to contribute. (sounds like a good excuse doesn't it?? :)

Never mind. I just won't read this one anymore. Although I felt the original topic was one worth discussing... the one where 2 moms slept with son's friends and it's related "age of consent" that usually follows this type of thread.


It was worth discussing. I'm just sorry that it got derailed. It would've been interesting to hear other's perspectives on the 'age of consent' issue following the original purpose of the thread.


~ceisdsgil

[Rotten Apple]

It was worth discussing. I'm just sorry that it got derailed. It would've been interesting to hear other's perspectives on the 'age of consent' issue following the original purpose of the thread.


~ceisdsgil

Where age of consent has been discussed before:

http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1093&highlight=consent

Discuss some more, feel free to get heated.

[SoUncool]

Attacking someone else's choice of faith or ethnicity is a childish and immature way to make a statement. There is violent history in just about every choice of faith, except maybe for the "Flying Spaghetti Monster" or the "Church of the Subgenius"

I am proud to be spagnostic / pastafarian. I also am a follower of Ceiling Cat. Best translation of the bible I've seen yet.

http://i27.tinypic.com/2rzq9h5.jpg

http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Genesis_1

[ceisdsgil]

I am proud to be spagnostic / pastafarian. I also am a follower of Ceiling Cat. Best translation of the bible I've seen yet.

http://i27.tinypic.com/2rzq9h5.jpg

http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Genesis_1

Here here! I love Ceiling Cat :)

~ceisdsgil

[Nell]

I thought you gave up ceiling cat for Trashcat!!! Damn you Souncool. You should check out my new three things thread for the definition of cheating!:boxing:

[SoUncool]

In response to someone's post regarding age of consent and leniency, I do want to share a personal story regarding an older male, younger female.

This involved my niece. She was 14 at the time and a super nice, super sweet, 18 year old guy that has known our family for years took an interest in her. We READ BOTH OF THE THEM the "riot act" as it were and each family member (our family and his) repeatedly sat down with each of them individually as well as both of them together and talked them to death about how inappropriate the age difference was, how "C" could go to jail for "M" being underage and all the consequences that both of them could face. I have to say that they are both good "kids" but the issue hit all of us like a ton of bricks.

My niece, "M" just turned 16 a few weeks ago and she and "C" are still together. He is extremely polite and well-mannered, comes to every family function of ours as well as his own family's functions, has his own business, etc. My family trusts this young man explicitly. I still do not think they've "done the deed" but who really knows. They were rarely left "alone" at first and an adult was always present.

Were we wrong to allow this? I don't think so. It was a family issue and a family decision and everyone was involved even though it was just up to her parents (my sis and BIL) and his parents.

[SoUncool]

I thought you gave up ceiling cat for Trashcat!!! Damn you Souncool. You should check out my new three things thread for the definition of cheating!:boxing:

Ceiling Cat can't hold a candle to Trashcat. SoUncool still LOVES Trashcat! SoUncool is now sneaking over to three things very quietly so she won't get into any more trouble...shhh....

[SoUncool]

Boreded Ceiling Cat makinkgz Urf n stuffs

Da Urfs no had shapez An haded dark face, An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz.

http://i31.tinypic.com/o74n47.jpg

[Nell]

You know, I really love the title of this thread. I am thinking of throwing some slutty sleepovers myself. Who wants to come?

[ceisdsgil]

In response to someone's post regarding age of consent and leniency, I do want to share a personal story regarding an older male, younger female.

This involved my niece. She was 14 at the time and a super nice, super sweet, 18 year old guy that has known our family for years took an interest in her. We READ BOTH OF THE THEM the "riot act" as it were and each family member (our family and his) repeatedly sat down with each of them individually as well as both of them together and talked them to death about how inappropriate the age difference was, how "C" could go to jail for "M" being underage and all the consequences that both of them could face. I have to say that they are both good "kids" but the issue hit all of us like a ton of bricks.

My niece, "M" just turned 16 a few weeks ago and she and "C" are still together. He is extremely polite and well-mannered, comes to every family function of ours as well as his own family's functions, has his own business, etc. My family trusts this young man explicitly. I still do not think they've "done the deed" but who really knows. They were rarely left "alone" at first and an adult was always present.

Were we wrong to allow this? I don't think so. It was a family issue and a family decision and everyone was involved even though it was just up to her parents (my sis and BIL) and his parents.

I am of the opinion that, if they haven't done the deed, then the boy and girl both show more respect and self-restraint for your family, that is admirable. They may have earned themselves a lil' respect. If they're together, as long as sex isn't something that's occurring, I don't see a problem.
If they begin to allow their bodies to start making decisions for them, instead of being responsible and knowing the boundaries that're set for them, if they do not respect those boundaries, then there is an issue.

my $.02

~ceisdsgil

[SoUncool]

I am of the opinion that, if they haven't done the deed, then the boy and girl both show more respect and self-restraint for your family, that is admirable. They may have earned themselves a lil' respect. If they're together, as long as sex isn't something that's occurring, I don't see a problem.
If they begin to allow their bodies to start making decisions for them, instead of being responsible and knowing the boundaries that're set for them, if they do not respect those boundaries, then there is an issue.

my $.02

~ceisdsgil

They have earned everyone's respect. Especially the young man. Everyone adores him. He's from the "yes, ma'am - no, ma'am" upbringing. Good parents, good kid. I don't think he would ever do anything to jeopardize that trust. My point was that this type of situation might be what the poster was trying to convey with the "leniency" comment.

[ceisdsgil]

They have earned everyone's respect. Especially the young man. Everyone adores him. He's from the "yes, ma'am - no, ma'am" upbringing. Good parents, good kid. I don't think he would ever do anything to jeopardize that trust. My point was that this type of situation might be what the poster was trying to convey with the "leniency" comment.


it's good that your niece has found herself such a nice young man, well bred and well raised.

I think you might be right about the leniency comment. Leniency is all fine and well until someone does something stupid and then screams 'you let them do it, why can't I?' not getting the point of the privilege. Unfortunately, there will be someone who screws it all up for everyone else.. there always is. :(


~ceisdsgil

[Lizard]

FYI, the thread regarding gprime's avatar--which wound up NOT being about gprime's avatar--was closed. I've expressed my opinion to the powers-that-be that the thread should not have been closed, especially considering that (a) gprime had not weighed in and (b) it was a "Three Things" thread.

[Boondock]

Nowhere in this article does it say the boy did anything but TELL his parents. It does not say that he was upset, it does not say that he didn't participate. It still does not mean he didn't join in and it still doesn't mean that he didn't like what he saw. He did the right thing by telling his folks if it bothered him. I still the other boys who did not tell their folks went around bragging to their friends and are probably now calling this boy a pussy.

THESE WOMEN are FUCKED UP. My whole point in the beginning was that these boys more than likely where NOT upset while it was going on. I STILL DO NOT CONDONE WHAT THEY DID!!

Thank you thank you!! You summed up exactly what I was trying to say but failing miserably to do. :hail:

[Unamused Cat]

FYI, the thread regarding gprime's avatar--which wound up NOT being about gprime's avatar--was closed. I've expressed my opinion to the powers-that-be that the thread should not have been closed, especially considering that (a) gprime had not weighed in and (b) it was a "Three Things" thread.

Maybe isn't kosher to make a thread about another member. Dunno.... I never read the rules here. I practically make it a point to never read rules or directions. Meow babies.

[Lizard]

Maybe isn't kosher to make a thread about another member. Dunno.... I never read the rules here. I practically make it a point to never read rules or directions. Meow babies.

Thanks, UCat. But it is about the avatar--not about him himself. I would like to know his opinion. If gprime says, "Not cool!" then I'm good with that.

[Boondock]

FYI, the thread regarding gprime's avatar--which wound up NOT being about gprime's avatar--was closed. I've expressed my opinion to the powers-that-be that the thread should not have been closed, especially considering that (a) gprime had not weighed in and (b) it was a "Three Things" thread.


Damn! I missed the whole thing completely. :grumbles: stupid cousin's graduation... Let us know if another one gets set up please.

[Mom of 4]

A thread about avatars would likely have been fine. A thread about Gprime's avatar? Not so much unless he started it himself. Otherwise it is a personal attack IMO. Nothing is stopping Gprime from starting a thread about himself, his avatar, his dog or his summer vacation. Member's starting threads about other members is just asking for trouble in my humble opinion.

[Boondock]

A thread about avatars would likely have been fine. A thread about Gprime's avatar? Not so much unless he started it himself. Otherwise it is a personal attack IMO. Nothing is stopping Gprime from starting a thread about himself, his avatar, his dog or his summer vacation. Member's starting threads about other members is just asking for trouble in my humble opinion.

Hadn't thought of it that way, but I guess I see the point. So, gprime wadda ya say?? Start a thread ay?

[Rotten Apple]

Maybe isn't kosher to make a thread about another member. Dunno.... I never read the rules here. I practically make it a point to never read rules or directions. Meow babies.

Exactly. This would have been an entire thread about gprime. Even saying it was his avatar still invited personal attacks against gprime...which would have been far to tempting for me. :p There is not much censorship here, but an entire thread dedicated to attacking a member is a no-no. I've been nice, let some of the more seasoned members on here and it would have been a fiasco...even though gprime, as Mom of 4 said previously,can hold his own.

Someone (gprime even) should start a thread about Muslims in the three things thread. Leave gprimes name out. I'm sure he would LOVE to weigh in.

FOR THE RECORD:

1. I did not close the thread. (Don't want you guys thinking I don't play fair.)
and
2. If a thread is started, it should not be about Muslim extremists, the Muslim religion, etc. it should just be about Muslim people period...that is what the avatar seems to be attacking to me.

but whatever.

[TheLittleFriend]

just for the record:

Kathy has hands-down owned gprime in this little spat in a way that i havent seen in a good long while. almost like a 28 year old pro boxer beating the fuck out of a 15 year old jewish gimp in a wheelchair.
.


Finally.

[Morbid]

Thanks, UCat. But it is about the avatar--not about him himself. I would like to know his opinion. If gprime says, "Not cool!" then I'm good with that.

It's not up to Gprime. Besides, he explained his choice in avatar in this thread. Why do we need a new one? Personally, I don't give a fuck about it. I find his avatar as childish as someone using an upside down cross of Jesus giving a blowjob as an avatar.

If someone wants to make a thread about ant-religious or racist images being used in the forum, then by all means, do it. But to have a thread on why gprime decided to use that particular avatar, when he explained it already, is not needed...even though I understand why the creator made it. It will just turn into a thread about gprime.

[michelle]

Wow, I missed alot this weekend. That sucks. Stupid kids, family, and friends.
:party2:

[Mom of 4]

Thanks Kathy & Morbid for clearing that up. :usa2:

[Rotten Apple]

Wow, I missed alot this weekend.

Not really, just me and gprime having our monthly lovers spat.

We just have tons of sexual tension between us and we are forbidden to be together. It comes out in fighting. You know, passion does that to people. :p

[SoUncool]

Exactly. This would have been an entire thread about gprime. Even saying it was his avatar still invited personal attacks against gprime...which would have been far to tempting for me. :p There is not much censorship here, but an entire thread dedicated to attacking a member is a no-no. I've been nice, let some of the more seasoned members on here and it would have been a fiasco...even though gprime, as Mom of 4 said previously,can hold his own.

Point well taken.

[Lizard]

2. If a thread is started, it should not be about Muslim extremists, the Muslim religion, etc. it should just be about Muslim people period...that is what the avatar seems to be attacking to me.


I feel bad for the pig.

[Abroad]

as for coming in at the end, a lesson learned, for me, I suppose.




The End is Nigh!!





(You are not the only one learning in this thread........)

[Abroad]

I am sorry to hear I caused a problem.

It was probably foolish to believe that people would stick to discussing the avatar, though that was honestly what I intended the thread for.

:sorry:

[Mom of 4]

I am sorry to hear I caused a problem.

It was probably foolish to believe that people would stick to discussing the avatar, though that was honestly what I intended the thread for.

:sorry:



Don't worry about it Abroad. I know you weren't trying to offend anyone. As the saying goes.."don't sweat the small stuff.".:biggrin1:

[Abroad]

Small stuff? That was my first thread ever on DD!

I don't see myself starting another anytime soon :tongue:

[Mom of 4]

Small stuff? That was my first thread ever on DD!

I don't see myself starting another anytime soon :tongue:



LOL Don't be silly. It's all good Abroad. Your intentions were good and that's all that matters.:happy2:

[Dakota Valkyrie]

I am sorry to hear I caused a problem.

It was probably foolish to believe that people would stick to discussing the avatar, though that was honestly what I intended the thread for.

Not your fault, Abroad. I was the one that suggested it! So if there is a fault it's mine. But I've been assured there isn't a fault so I think I'm sort of safe. :behindsofa: for now anyway...

[Lizard]

I want to post an apology. I grumbled about the thread regarding the avatar being locked, partially because of the unusual nature of a thread being locked at the Demon. Tonight I found a thread that was started--and locked--before I even knew the Demon existed. And of all the places for it to be..."Introduce Yourself."

I feel like a real dork now.

[Mom of 4]

I want to post an apology. I grumbled about the thread regarding the avatar being locked, partially because of the unusual nature of a thread being locked at the Demon. Tonight I found a thread that was started--and locked--before I even knew the Demon existed. And of all the places for it to be..."Introduce Yourself."

I feel like a real dork now.

http://i25.tinypic.com/2a6p4b9.png

Bah....we are all dorks sometimes.:canada:

[TheMorningStar]

http://llnw.image.cbslocal.com/26/2008/07/22/320x240/SLEEPOVERMOM.jpg

DOYLESTOWN, Pa. (AP) ―
A 39-year-old woman who exposed herself, kissed and showered naked with ninth-grade boys is facing sentencing in suburban Philadelphia.

Angela Honeycutt was convicted of two misdemeanor counts of corrupting minors for her actions during a teen sleepover last April.

The party was hosted by a neighbor at the neighbor's home in Lower Makefield Township.

The friend, Lynne Long-Higham, pleaded guilty to endangering the welfare of children and corruption of minors. She was sentenced Wednesday to two year's probation.

The party was attended by about 20 boys and girls who were friends of Long-Higham's son.

Prosecutors say only six boys remained when Honeycutt's provocative behavior occurred.

http://cbs3.com/local/angela.honeycutt.sexual.2.909113.html

[Lynntoast]

A jury reached a split verdict in the case of a Bucks County mother who was accused of sexually assaulting two teen boys at a sleepover in April.

The jury found Angela Honeycutt, 39, guilty of two counts of corruption of a minor. However, the jury found her not guilty on charges of statutory sexual assault, unlawful contact with a minor and indecent assault.
The party was hosted by a neighbor, 45-year-old Lynne Long-Higham, in Lower Makefield Township. Long-Higham has pleaded guilty to endangering the welfare of children and corruption of minors.

Prosecutors contend Honeycutt danced provocatively in front of six teenage boys and then had sexual contact with two of them in a shower.

"I definitely made bad judgments throughout the night, a series of bad judgments, and I apologized for that," Honeycutt said following the verdict.

Honeycutt's attorney said one of the victim's testimony actually helped his client.

"She did not touch them, she was found not guilty of touching them, she did not have sex with them, she was found not guilty of having sex with them," Defense Attorney Neils Erickson said.

The jury deliberated for approximately four hours on Thursday and once asked to rehear a wiretapped phone conversation between Honeycutt, one of the teenage victims and his mother.

"She could receive 14 to 28 months on each of these counts, I'll argue at sentencing this is an aggravating circumstance and that she actually serve more time," Deputy District Attorney Mark Walz said.

Honeycutt said she misses spending time with her children, ages 9 and 11, who are in the custody of her parents.

"I took them far away from this situation, so I haven't seen them."
http://cbs3.com/local/angela.honeycutt.sexual.2.879760.html