Caylee Chat IV: Casey Found "Not Guilty"

[Lizard]

Have at it, bitches.

[Aslan]

Thanks Lizard :D

<3

[totallytoddler]

Well.. I can get in HERE!!!!

[Silvahalo]

Omg!!! Look at all this room *stomps around*

[Chaindrive]

Here we are.

[BreakTheSilence]

I'm here!

[TACO]

Have at it, bitches.

Ugh I am not a Bitch! Bastard but not a Bitch! Just Sayin'

[myra manes]

:eek:

I watched right along with everyone else and what more can I say?

:eek:


I am sick ..
I can't believe that murdering cunt is going to walk free on Thursday ..
My mouth is still hanging open ..

Thursday night, the MarieTwins better sleep with one eye open ..
The week after that, the reality show will start filming ..
The Marie Twins will split up, LeeMarie and Porker will move on and Cindy and Case o Cunt will travel the world giving, EXCLUSIVES ..

I am sick ..

[solange82200]

whine whine whine.....bitch bitch bitch.....moan moan moan..... bitch bitch bitch again.... crying to myself... Crime does pay children, our jurors taught you that today

[Lizard]

Ugh I am not a Bitch! Bastard but not a Bitch!

You're my FAVORITE bitch! NOW BACK ON FUCKING TOPIC!

[Silvahalo]

someone please explain how this shit happened? how this baby killer is walking??? *takes a drink*

[redsaid]

red is here ready to continue the discussion

[totallytoddler]

I am still stunned...seriously. WTF? Is she REALLY going to duck out the back thursday with Baez and vacay with Dorothy Sims? LOL

[totallytoddler]

someone please explain how this shit happened? how this baby killer is walking??? *takes a drink*
ALL 12 of those fuckers didn't understand what aggravated child abuse was. Nor did they understand that when someone dies while commiting that crime, that is 1st degree murder. The words should have been smaller in their instructions. No wonder they RAN after the verdict!

[solange82200]

shit supposedlly Jeff Ashton will be on today show tomooroo!

[Silvahalo]

I am still stunned...seriously. WTF? Is she REALLY going to duck out the back thursday with Baez and vacay with Dorothy Sims? LOLDeja said she heard that TT, really roomies with Dorothy???? besties now?

[myra manes]

Bring on the fucking jury! They got some 'splaining to do!


Holy shit! Wait till myra manes finds out!

I was thisclose to slitting my own throat when I heard the verdict ..

Sinny :hug: I feel fucking sick ..

These jurors are mentally deficient brain-dead fucks! :argh:

[BreakTheSilence]

I would love to be able to step inside each of the juror's minds and see why the hell a baby murderer is going to be walking free very soon. I was prepared for them to not give the death penalty. I could deal with LWOP, but how in the hell did she escape any kind of charges relating to Caylee's death?

RIP Caylee.. You may be gone, but I swear you are not nor will you ever be forgotten sweet one! I'm so sorry we failed to get justice for you.

[totallytoddler]

Deja said she heard that TT, really roomies with Dorothy???? besties now?
Oh who knows...I don't know where that bitch will go. I know where I HOPE she goes....I hope she goes the HELL.

[totallytoddler]

Ok kids..I know we just got this shiny new thread but..I have to get my kiddies to bed....mine are still alive and all.
Night....catch you all in the morning.

[Silvahalo]

Even my 7yo said, "she did something wrong mama she has to be punished".
He asked why i was upset as I heard the verdict, told him a bad lady didn't get punished.

even HE understands consequences....ffs

[Komak]

Wow, a nice empty space to clutter up with all the bullshit of the last 3 years.

That said...I seriously was speechless today...but then it dawned on me...those of us back then were so deep in this case..from the day she went missing, till she was found, till all the court releases, cell phone records and reports had been read, memorized and hashed out..right on these pages...on THESE pages we proved her guilt...

We watched her movements, responses, behaviors and basically waded into that family...

Those jurors, well they were picked, with no prior knowledge of Casey...and had three weeks to sort through, understand and analyze all the information we have tossed around for years..

We recognized her crybaby face at trial for what it was, her sorry as sinking lower in her chair everyday...for the ploy that we know so well...

I swear one of us would have done a better job of prosecuting the case ....we know more! I swear we do...

Now I am simply pissed at the arrogance of the prosecution...the fact that the snake beaz, will be glorified for this win...and mostly that the bitch is walking free..however, what life does she have now...???? EVERYBODY knows what she did, not only is she a murderer, but one that walked free...and she doesn't have OJ's money to fall back on...nor friends.

She has that stupid mother, and spineless father...and herself...3 little pigs...whose house will get blown over again and again, by every big bad wolf in this country....she is vurtually unemployable...undateable...uncapable of living any sort of actual life...

Okay, its late...(5 hours of OT today and 5 tomorrow...) but I needed to rant a little..

[Lizard]

Apologies to you guys who got "squashed" in the transition to the new thread--you're just too quick for me. At any rate, carry on.

[Silvahalo]

I miss Rhoni but did catch up with her a bit today. She's ticked as you can imagine, floored. I hope she comes in and says hello and wtf has the world gone crazy???

[FlowerWhiskers]

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in groups of 12.

Did they, like, request the SAT scores of all the prospective jurors and exclude those whose scores were above "imbecile" range?

Whoever is even considering offering her a book deal needs to be prophylactically murdered.

[Komak]

:laughing: Jay Leno just said that the OJ jury, moved to Florida to retire...and this is the first case they have worked on..or something like that...

[Aslan]

What I don't understand (well, I don't understand any of it, actually) is that there have been cases where there isn't even a body and a murder conviction is reached (Perry March in Nashville comes to mind. He killed his wife, wrapped her in a carpet and then he and his dad dumped her somewhere in Kentucky).
So is it that she was left out in the elements so long that they couldn't determine the way she died and that drowning story provided reasonable doubt? The Chewbacca defense?
Don't know, don't know don't know. I really thought Ashton gave a fantastic closing argument. *shrug* then again I already had my mind made up so maybe I just had selective hearing throughout the trial.
I tried not to, I really did.

[Whisper]

wow I can get in here,
Im at work now trying to figure out what the hell happened but am to tired think
Like I said to TT & Deja maybe her and Karla Homolka can open an Bed and Breakdfast together (in hell hopefully)

[OMalley]

Wow, a nice empty space to clutter up with all the bullshit of the last 3 years.

That said...I seriously was speechless today...but then it dawned on me...those of us back then were so deep in this case..from the day she went missing, till she was found, till all the court releases, cell phone records and reports had been read, memorized and hashed out..right on these pages...on THESE pages we proved her guilt...

We watched her movements, responses, behaviors and basically waded into that family...

Those jurors, well they were picked, with no prior knowledge of Casey...and had three weeks to sort through, understand and analyze all the information we have tossed around for years..

We recognized her crybaby face at trial for what it was, her sorry as sinking lower in her chair everyday...for the ploy that we know so well...

I swear one of us would have done a better job of prosecuting the case ....we know more! I swear we do...

Now I am simply pissed at the arrogance of the prosecution...the fact that the snake beaz, will be glorified for this win...and mostly that the bitch is walking free..however, what life does she have now...???? EVERYBODY knows what she did, not only is she a murderer, but one that walked free...and she doesn't have OJ's money to fall back on...nor friends.

She has that stupid mother, and spineless father...and herself...3 little pigs...whose house will get blown over again and again, by every big bad wolf in this country....she is vurtually unemployable...undateable...uncapable of living any sort of actual life...

Okay, its late...(5 hours of OT today and 5 tomorrow...) but I needed to rant a little..

I will agree that many of the posters on here are VERY knowledgeable about the case but I didn't think the prosecution did a bad job, at all. I wasn't impressed with the job Baez did and I just wondering, now, if his case was more on the jurors' intellectual level? He did talk a bit about doubt in his closing - 'if the jurors had any doubt' and it seems that stuck with them. I really fail to see HOW they managed to disregard the prosecution's closings, which I thought were a wonderful summing-up, and made a lot of sense. The problem is (I think) that the prosecution was not able to show the EXACT who/what/when/how/why. They had a beautifully constructed circumstancial evidence case: it made PERFECT SENSE to me. ALL of the evidence pointed to Casey and only Casey but that wasn't good enough for the jury. Where was their common sense?

I hope that Casey is reviled where ever she goes. Unfortunately she will most likely profit from her evil. We have to hope for karma now.

[Lizard]

I will agree that many of the posters on here are VERY knowledgeable about the case but I didn't think the prosecution did a bad job, at all. I wasn't impressed with the job Baez did and I just wondering, now, if his case was more on the jurors' intellectual level? He did talk a bit about doubt in his closing - 'if the jurors had any doubt' and it seems that stuck with them. I really fail to see HOW they managed to disregard the prosecution's closings, which I thought were a wonderful summing-up, and made a lot of sense. The problem is (I think) that the prosecution was not able to show the EXACT who/what/when/how/why. They had a beautifully constructed circumstancial evidence case: it made PERFECT SENSE to me. ALL of the evidence pointed to Casey and only Casey but that wasn't good enough for the jury. Where was their common sense?

I hope that Casey is reviled where ever she goes. Unfortunately she will most likely profit from her evil. We have to hope for karma now.

I've actually spent a bit of time thinking about this today. Normally I'm just a person who has followed this case since those first insane days during which Casey led the investigators on a merry chase (and through all the familial insane denials and other craziness). However, had I been a jury member, I would've been given very specific instructions about what my job and role as a juror was to be. EVEN after all I've read here and other sites, my focus would've been on what information was given to me by the prosecution and defense--and when I say "information," I mean evidence (not, say a pretty closing argument). Say my fellow jurors and I go into final deliberations and Juror #5 says, "Based on the evidence we've been presented, it's equally likely that X happened." (I'm making this up, of course--I have no idea what kind of conversations the jurors had.) If I agreed with Juror #5, under that kind of reasoning, I could not in good conscience as a citizen and juror agree that the State had proven its case against Casey beyond a reasonable doubt. And consider: I have not, as a hypothetical juror, been tasked with getting justice for Caylee--I have been tasked with deciding whether the State has proved its case beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Komak]

I will agree that many of the posters on here are VERY knowledgeable about the case but I didn't think the prosecution did a bad job, at all. I wasn't impressed with the job Baez did and I just wondering, now, if his case was more on the jurors' intellectual level? He did talk a bit about doubt in his closing - 'if the jurors had any doubt' and it seems that stuck with them. I really fail to see HOW they managed to disregard the prosecution's closings, which I thought were a wonderful summing-up, and made a lot of sense. The problem is (I think) that the prosecution was not able to show the EXACT who/what/when/how/why. They had a beautifully constructed circumstancial evidence case: it made PERFECT SENSE to me. ALL of the evidence pointed to Casey and only Casey but that wasn't good enough for the jury. Where was their common sense?

I hope that Casey is reviled where ever she goes. Unfortunately she will most likely profit from her evil. We have to hope for karma now.

Oh I totally agree..Baez, really didn't have to do anything major, no major Matlock moves...nothing...he is mediocre at best...but I really was having doubts about half way through this trial that she would be found guilty.

I think your right...Baez talked at their level...I often wonder if the early twenties kid who only watched the TV when he was playing video games made it to the jury? Need I say more?

And I truly think that NOT knowing the whole story, and cramming it in within three weeks...probably brought out a totally different perspective of Casey than the Casey we all hate...Perspective is everything...they never saw what we all do...and what they saw they saw differently....

[Komak]

I've actually spent a bit of time thinking about this today. Normally I'm just a person who has followed this case since those first insane days during which Casey led the investigators on a merry chase (and through all the familial insane denials and other craziness). However, had I been a jury member, I would've been given very specific instructions about what my job and role as a juror was to be. EVEN after all I've read here and other sites, my focus would've been on what information was given to me by the prosecution and defense--and when I say "information," I mean evidence (not, say a pretty closing argument). Say my fellow jurors and I go into final deliberations and Juror #5 says, "Based on the evidence we've been presented, it's equally likely that X happened." (I'm making this up, of course--I have no idea what kind of conversations the jurors had.) If I agreed with Juror #5, under that kind of reasoning, I could not in good conscience as a citizen and juror agree that the State had proven its case against Casey beyond a reasonable doubt. And consider: I have not, as a hypothetical juror, been tasked with getting justice for Caylee--I have been tasked with deciding whether the State has proved its case beyond a reasonable doubt.

Bravo Bravo...but of course you make my point so much more eloquently...I have no hard feelings towards the jury... I hate the results but in a way.... they straightforwardly apparently all came to the same conclusion.... Someone sitting in the same position who was really not guilty...would have wanted the same due dilligence... it boils down to the case of the prosecution and the lack of case of the defense...My fault finding lies with the prosecutor...but thats just me..

[Star Sizu]

someone please explain how this shit happened? how this baby killer is walking??? *takes a drink*

The Jury watched too much CSI and expected a actual "smoking gun" to show Casey's link to the death.
They choose to ignore fact, that Mother will kill their child, and live in a fantasy land, where this does not happen daily.
They did not believe nor review any of the evidence shown by the state while in deliberation.

[Apostle of Chaos]

Well guys, I hes ard it at work today, and everyone, including my customer (I work retail) were stunned. Every single one thought she'd get convicted of something!

Sure, she got convicted of Lying to the cops, but really? That's it?
I really, really, really hope she has to serve the remainder of her sentence in general, and experiences some prison justice, or at the very least a whackjob gets lucky when she gets released.

[OMalley]

I can understand that, Lizard. At issue here is, the evidence is circumstancial. But (IMO) the evidence is cohesive; it hangs together. I'm still not sure how the jury didn't see that. They chose to believe a hypothesis that was presented with NO supporting evidence. I'm still wondering if they did not understand what is meant by reasonable doubt.

[Lizard]

The Jury watched too much CSI and expected a actual "smoking gun" to show Casey's link to the death.
They choose to ignore fact, that Mother will kill their child, and live in a fantasy land, where this does not happen daily.
They did not believe nor review any of the evidence shown by the state while in deliberation.

Disagree. While I don't know the actual instruction given to the jurors, they were given instructions about what it was they were to do, and considering that it took so short a time and all were in agreement, then it's pretty clear that the prosecution did not prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. There ARE mothers who both kill their children and live in a fantasy land, and Diane Downs was sent to prison long before CSI hit TV.

[OMalley]

The standard that must be met by the prosecution's evidence in a criminal prosecution: that no other logical explanation can be derived from the facts except that the defendant committed the crime, thereby overcoming the presumption that a person is innocent until proven guilty.
If the jurors or judge have no doubt as to the defendant's guilt, or if their only doubts are unreasonable doubts, then the prosecutor has proven the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and the defendant should be pronounced guilty.
The term connotes that evidence establishes a particular point to a moral certainty and that it is beyond dispute that any reasonable alternative is possible. It does not mean that no doubt exists as to the accused's guilt, but only that no Reasonable Doubt (http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/Reasonable+Doubt) is possible from the evidence presented.
Beyond a reasonable doubt is the highest standard of proof that must be met in any trial. In civil litigation, the standard of proof is either proof by a preponderance of the evidence or proof by clear and convincing evidence. These are lower burdens of proof. A preponderance of the evidence simply means that one side has more evidence in its favor than the other, even by the smallest degree. Clear and Convincing Proof (http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/Clear+and+Convincing+Proof) is evidence that establishes a high probability that the fact sought to be proved is true. The main reason that the high proof standard of reasonable doubt is used in criminal trials is that such proceedings can result in the deprivation of a defendant's liberty or even in his or her death. These outcomes are far more severe than in civil trials, in which money damages are the common remedy.


the bolding is from me

[Lizard]

Even today, I think it's possible that Caylee died on accident. The pool. Chloroform meant to knock her out but killing her instead. Too much Benadryl. The duct tape? Well, because once you have a dead body, bugs start crawling in the orifices and shit starts seeping out. It's not that I think that Casey is angel innocent on this; it's that the prosecution was unable to prove PREMEDITATED MURDER.

Look, I don't want to argue every nuance of this case (we'll be here for the next 10 years). I'm merely saying that I can understand how a jury could acquit her. I'm sure as hell NOT saying I like it.

[Komak]

I can understand that, Lizard. At issue here is, the evidence is circumstancial. But (IMO) the evidence is cohesive; it hangs together. I'm still not sure how the jury didn't see that. They chose to believe a hypothesis that was presented with NO supporting evidence. I'm still wondering if they did not understand what is meant by reasonable doubt.

I see your point, would they have had to chose the defenses hypothesis, to NOT chose to believe the circumstancial..is it really one or the other..."wins"? I don't know if the prosecution glued that circumstancial evidence together...I don't think that a totally "Casey story blind" jury, would draw the same cohesiveness of what was presented.... I hope some of them talk...

I wonder if some of them...after seeing the huge headlines and how big a deal this case is...not to mention, once they research it a little more themselves now..I wonder if some of them will doubt what they decided?

[OMalley]

That's another thing, Lizard: the short deliberations. This struck me as odd given the WEEKS of testimony they heard & the amount of evidence that was shown. They didn't take many notes yet they didn't have any questions...strange, I thought.

It must've taken a few hours at least to go through the pages & pages of jury instructions. Oh to have been a fly on the wall in that room.

[Lizard]

The standard that must be met by the prosecution's evidence in a criminal prosecution: that no other logical explanation can be derived from the facts except that the defendant committed the crime, thereby overcoming the presumption that a person is innocent until proven guilty.

Exactly. There are other LOGICAL explanations for Caylee's death, and the existing evidence does not rule them out. None of the other explanations make Casey out to be a better person, but they don't involve premeditation.

[Lizard]

That's another thing, Lizard: the short deliberations. This struck me as odd given the WEEKS of testimony they heard & the amount of evidence that was shown. They didn't take many notes yet they didn't have any questions...strange, I thought.

It must've taken a few hours at least to go through the pages & pages of jury instructions. Oh to have been a fly on the wall in that room.

What's your explanation?

[Lizard]

I have an open can of paint in the kitchen hollering at me from the kitchen, so I'm REALLY going to have to go now. However, I just wanted to say: my intention was not to start a fight, and I actually DO think Casey Anthony is going to get what she deserves (in THIS life). I just don't believe that being pissed off at the jurors is appropriate, considering what it is that jurors are expected to do (and their pay is FOR SHIT).

[OMalley]

Even today, I think it's possible that Caylee died on accident. The pool. Chloroform meant to knock her out but killing her instead. Too much Benadryl. The duct tape? Well, because once you have a dead body, bugs start crawling in the orifices and shit starts seeping out. It's not that I think that Casey is angel innocent on this; it's that the prosecution was unable to prove PREMEDITATED MURDER.

Look, I don't want to argue every nuance of this case (we'll be here for the next 10 years). I'm merely saying that I can understand how a jury could acquit her. I'm sure as hell NOT saying I like it.

I'm not trying to start shit; I'm enjoying the mental exercise. I don't understand how a jury could acquit her. I've said before: I think that your average person has a really hard time believing that a woman could severly mistreat or kill her child. When the woman is attractive, white, middle class, that makes it harder. Still I felt the prosecution painted a pretty clear picture of the kind of person Casey Anthony is and did a good job of telling the story.

My feeling is, if it was a pool accident, why sit in jail for 3 years & risk getting the DP, instead of just saying so. She wouldn't have been punished. That she never reported the accident and displayed no grief for 31 days is what makes this look like an unlikey scenario. As for the accidental chlorforming: that's felony murder (I think). Even though it was an accident, if the death occurred while she was abusing the child, that's a felony. I thought it might've happened that way too at first - now I'm not so sure.

As far as the tape being applied post mortem - not sure. The evidence wasn't conclusive on that point, was it? Of course if it was applied while Caylee was alive, that is premeditation right there.

[OMalley]

Exactly. There are other LOGICAL explanations for Caylee's death, and the existing evidence does not rule them out. None of the other explanations make Casey out to be a better person, but they don't involve premeditation.

But I didn't think the other explanations were logical. In fact they defied logic; they didn't apply to how most people would reasonably act; they didn't make sense.

[OMalley]

What's your explanation?

I don't have an explanation for why the deliberations were so seemingly short. I'm curious.

[Lizard]

But I didn't think the other explanations were logical. In fact they defied logic; they didn't apply to how most people would reasonably act; they didn't make sense.

No reasonable person kills her daughter, parties for the next month, and then lies to police.

[witzah]

I say let's hope for Donna MacLean to get positive dna results proving her dead son fathered caylee, so she can then sue the pants off of KC civilly for loss of consortium.



Now that she's out, she's no longer judgment proof...I guarantee we will hear more from Ms. McLean.



If the dna shows a match, she'll get an attorney to take her case and we'll have that civil case we were looking for. We know GA and CA wont sue civilly, so maybe paternal grandparents will if dna shows the link.



The easier burden in a civil suit could help significantly ...hence, OJ's loss civilly to the Goldmans. Heck, Ms. McLean could even settle with KC for her publicity proceeds.



I kind of like the thought of another trial though.

[Apostle of Chaos]

You know, just wanted to add one more thing before I head to bed, if it's possible, I'd love if we could some how get Ashton to join this thread, and give us his view of the entire thing. It'd be interesting to hear exactly where he felt everything went wrong, and what his views of the jury are, (I mean his personal views, not what he said in his statement to the press) and what the states plans are now (if any).

[BreakTheSilence]

Guys, I know its not much consolation, but here is a survey asking for people to say if they agree or disagree with the verdict. Its overwhelmingly saying people don't agree with it. And its from an Orlando newspaper. This may be a small way to express our outrage to the 12 idiots who set this baby killer free.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-casey-anthony-verdict-poll-070511,0,4797.poll

[Lizard]

I'm not trying to start shit; I'm enjoying the mental exercise. I don't understand how a jury could acquit her. I've said before: I think that your average person has a really hard time believing that a woman could severly mistreat or kill her child. When the woman is attractive, white, middle class, that makes it harder. Still I felt the prosecution painted a pretty clear picture of the kind of person Casey Anthony is and did a good job of telling the story.

My feeling is, if it was a pool accident, why sit in jail for 3 years & risk getting the DP, instead of just saying so. She wouldn't have been punished. That she never reported the accident and displayed no grief for 31 days is what makes this look like an unlikey scenario. As for the accidental cholorforming: that's felony murder (I think). Even though it was an accident, if the death occurred while she was abusing the child, that's a felony. I thought it might've happened that way too at first - now I'm not so sure.

As far as the tape being applied post mortem - not sure. The evidence wasn't conclusive on that point, was it? Of course if it was while Caylee was alive, that is premeditation right there.

The prosecution told *A* good story. Unfortunately, it's not the ONLY story that could apply here. Wisely, CA's defense made her keep her fucking mouth shut.

[Lizard]

Guys, I know its not much consolation, but here is a survey asking for people to say if they agree or disagree with the verdict. Its overwhelmingly saying people don't agree with it. And its from an Orlando newspaper. This may be a small way to express our outrage to the 12 idiots who set this baby killer free.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-casey-anthony-verdict-poll-070511,0,4797.poll

Considering I wasn't seated as a juror on this case, I can't imagine why I'd log on to vote against their decision when I wasn't in their shoes.

[Chabunagung]

Silva, she should be treated to a tubal ligation before she hits the streets again...!

[Lizard]

Silva, she should be treated to a tubal ligation before she hits the streets again...!

Pffft. Fuck that. Let her pop 'em out. Let's give them to silva. :)

[solange82200]

Exactly. There are other LOGICAL explanations for Caylee's death, and the existing evidence does not rule them out. None of the other explanations make Casey out to be a better person, but they don't involve premeditation.

So what about premeditation? What about 2nd degree murder and manslaughter? If there is no premeditation, then she should be charge with those.

And dont forget, if she dies accidentally because Casey tried to knock her out with something, it is still considered FELONY murder. That is what is the outrage of most people, that she was not found guilty in ANY death involved charge. So we can argue about proof of first degree murder and death penalties, but the fact of the matter is there should be no question that she should have at least go 2nd degree, MAYBE manslaughter at the LEAST

[OMalley]

I have an open can of paint in the kitchen hollering at me from the kitchen, so I'm REALLY going to have to go now. However, I just wanted to say: my intention was not to start a fight, and I actually DO think Casey Anthony is going to get what she deserves (in THIS life). I just don't believe that being pissed off at the jurors is appropriate, considering what it is that jurors are expected to do (and their pay is FOR SHIT).

What color are you painting?

I hate poor sportsmanship and that's a bit how I feel: like I lost the game & am being a poor sport. I just truly don't understand the jury's decision - I hope at some point they may decide to clarify. But they did do their job, gave away 6 weeks of their lives...I just wish they'd done a better job! I do believe that I wanted this justice for Caylee more than she needs it: she is above & beyond it.

[gentlenurse82]

I have a couple cents to throw in the bucket. As I was thinking things over today, I came to the conclusion that Casey Anthony is probably not going to stay out of prison for long. Killing Caylee was obviously the pinnacle of her criminal activity, but even aside from that, look at the kind of person she is. Forging tons of checks, living only for parties, sex and alcohol...... I strongly doubt she'll have the moral uprightness to lead any decent kind of life, because she's not a decent person. 20 years from now she'll probably be one of those crusty nasties you see on "Faces of Meth". Where Casey goes, trouble will be sure to follow.

[solange82200]

Considering I wasn't seated as a juror on this case, I can't imagine why I'd log on to vote against their decision when I wasn't in their shoes.

Does the jury know something we dont? No. We watched everything they did, so I see nothing wrong with saying we arent satisfied. This is OUR system too, our money being spent, our collective need for justice as a society. You damn well better believe I will voice my dissatisfaction. Now those who agree can voice their satisfaction also, but no one is going to tell me I cant say this is the biggest bunch of bullshit ive ever seen

[OMalley]

No reasonable person kills her daughter, parties for the next month, and then lies to police.

No, but a criminal would. And that is what I believe Casey is.

[crazyshit]

If someone wants to PM me with their number - I would love to talk.

Can't sleep and am wondering how we can wake up tomorrow knowing it's over, she's free and there is nothing that can be done about it.

[witzah]

We still have the Zanny the Nanny civil trial set for February to look forward to.



ORLANDO, Fla. -- The civil suit filed against Casey Anthony by a woman named Zenaida Gonzlalez has been moved.The lawsuit filed by Zenaida Gonzalez, who has the same name as the imaginary baby sitter Anthony claimed kidnapped her daughter, Caylee, is now scheduled for February. It was set for August following Anthony's murder trial, which began May 24.In August 2008, Gonzalez told Local 6 that she had never met Anthony and had no idea how she used her name.She said the first time she saw Caylee was in a picture she was shown by detectives when they interviewed her on suspicion of kidnapping.Anthony’s mother, Cindy, admitted that the woman was the wrong Zenaida Gonzalez and investigators later confirmed that fact.



http://www.clickorlando.com/news/28109086/detail.html

[Smore9564]

OT
NONE of @witzah (http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/member.php?u=1364) posts have thanks... why is that!?? I've noticed that on many many many of them! (ok, well, maybe it's not ALL, but most of them!)

Also.. I would just like to add a special thanks for no one telling me there was a new thread.. I have felt like the red headed step child all evening!

[witzah]

OTNONE of @witzah (http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/member.php?u=1364) posts have thanks... why is that!?? I've noticed that on many many many of them! (ok, well, maybe it's not ALL, but most of them!)Also.. I would just like to add a special thanks for no one telling me there was a new thread.. I have felt like the red headed step child all evening!Is that something I inadvertently omitted in my settings? I'll go check it out now. Thanks!

[OMalley]

Exactly. There are other LOGICAL explanations for Caylee's death, and the existing evidence does not rule them out. None of the other explanations make Casey out to be a better person, but they don't involve premeditation.

Now this, I could argue. The evidence presented (IMO, of course) DOES rule out other 'explanations' and in fact causes them to be illogical.

[Chabunagung]

I hope that Casey is reviled where ever she goes. Unfortunately she will most likely profit from her evil. We have to hope for karma now


Omalley, I'm with you...I was here from the get-go and because we hashed thru all the early text messages and responses from all her friends and enemies, we ended up with so much vital info that others didn't even know about that we feel like Pros about this ?girl, (certainly not a Mother)! I have found myself throughout this trial filling in alot of vital information to family that has found a home in my brain, when discussing this case. Sometimes I wonder how much info comes spilling out of my mouth that everyone looks at me wondering where its all coming from. But, we all devoted so much time and passion into this case, I used to stay online 24 hours a day trying to keep up with posts, and now this information is finally spilling out of me! I want Casey punished, those STUPID Jurors couldn't wait to go home. They didn't want to mediate and waste their time any longer, let alone send someone to the Chair! I was going crazy today pacing and pacing, then I thought of you guys, you'd understand the madness in my body! Thank you for all being here...I needed You...!

[OMalley]

I've gotta cash it in for tonight but I have questions for anyone who cares to answer. See you tomorrow!

What evidence did NOT make it into the trial that you think may have made a difference in the outcome?

And I'm curious about this: when did we first hear about chloroform in this case? Was it when the car was found? The reason I ask is, JVM made a point that though we've heard about internet searches for chloroform & how to make it, we have no evidence that Casey did actually make chloroform. No receipts for purchasing ingredients, no chloroform was discovered, no containers or evidence of chloroform being made. So, do we think Casey actually made, and used, chloroform?

[crazyshit]

As I go to sleep tonight I will wonder this...

Was JA one of the first people to put DNA evidence into the court system in Florida?

If he was... is DNA now one of the things that is responsible for getting innocent people OUT of prison?

If he was responsible for the INNOCENT getting out of prison and later it is proven that his JUNK SCIENCE evidence is reliable... will that ever be able to put a guilty person in prison that was originally proven innocent?

NEVER!

But as he retires, I will pray for the day when that JUNK SCIENCE evidence proves that this verdict was wrong.

I will pray that there will be a day when JA knows that he did not fail, that none of us believed he failed.

We are all devastated tonight. We are all trying to recover from this. But Imagine what is going through the the PT's heads tonight.

Wondering how they failed???

I just want it to be said that they did not fail me. They gave that jury every reason to find her guilty and in the end LDB had her worst fear realized.

Common Sense WAS LOST in all the bullshit!

[solange82200]

Someone just said at websleuths the same thing i thought: that Baez knew it would be not guilty, based on the gun gestures and grinning he did for the camera. It seems like he knew something no one else did, i know i sound paranoid, but someone started a thread saying the same thing, so its not just me...

[Chabunagung]

Omalley, I thought I heard during the beginning of the trial that a Gatorade bottle was found in with Caylees body, a syringe with chloroform was inserted in a thin paper tube (like toilet paper cardboard) and it was in the empty bottle. I know I'm not dreaming? I sure told a lot of friends about it, I'm positive I heard that!

[solange82200]

supposedly they are saying at websleuths there is a big sign when going into Pinellas county for the jurors to see:

http://yfrog.com/h7ji5ffj

[crazyshit]

So let's all give our last recap....

Let's give our recap people something to type about.

I LOVE our recap people but...

WHAT is OUR last recap after the verdict we can give them to build upon??

Let's write the recap of how to commit murder and get away with it.

I say the first thing you do is to make sure the last person you see is your Dad.

I say that as long as he sees you last - you are cool.

Then what?

[crazyshit]

is that real?



supposedly they are saying at websleuths there is a big sign when going into Pinellas county for the jurors to see:

http://yfrog.com/h7ji5ffj

[Courts29]

If she goes into hiding which she prob wont as she is far to selfish to that then it will turn into another Karla Homoloka episode of there being websites exposing her whereabouts and what she is doing!. She would need to move to the planet mars for people not to know who she is! She is going to need millions spent on security as there are alot of crazy people out there. So not only has the trial been a big waste of money so will having to spent millions on her after it!!!

[Harley_Tech]

I have two remaining hopes.

One is that all the jurors read up on this case and have recurring nightmares when they realize they put a child killer back on the streets.

Two is that Jeff Ashton represents George Anthony in a civil lawsuit for wrongful death against Casevil.

Ok, maybe three or four wishes....A news helicopter crashes on Casevil's head on the way to her first paid interview; Lee dies alone in a basement playing online "games". Cindevil is struck by lightning for her lies in court and out. etc.

R

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Casey is going to love the continued attention on this case.

Everyone's best revenge is to (in the word of many of our tards) is to "keep her name out of your mouth". Time to get back to real life.

[Saffron]

I am still hoping that she will be in jail for another 3 years. They keep saying that she'll probably get time served and possibly a little extra. However, she is a FELON. The first 2 years of her jail time she has served have already been designated as the time served for the fraudulent check charges. These lying to police convictions are a whole separate and other conviction. I'm still hoping she will stay in prison for another couple of years. I know it's unlikely but I can still dream.

I'm also hoping that the statute of limitations on the box of 300 checks isn't up and the accounts made in Cindy's name as well. Maybe at least a plea on that for another few years.

I honestly think the reason they didn't believe George was because of the $20,000 and the fact the state couldn't bring up that she sold pictures for $200,000. She profited more than anyone else off Caylee's death and NO ONE could say a damned thing about it.

[Kitty]

I have two remaining hopes.

One is that all the jurors read up on this case and have recurring nightmares when they realize they put a child killer back on the streets.

Two is that Jeff Ashton represents George Anthony in a civil lawsuit for wrongful death against Casevil.

Ok, maybe three or four wishes....A news helicopter crashes on Casevil's head on the way to her first paid interview; Lee dies alone in a basement playing online "games". Cindevil is struck by lightning for her lies in court and out. etc.

R

I picture George in a murder/suicide situation... If he can get his balls out of Cindy's purse.

[Saffron]

Casey is going to love the continued attention on this case.

Everyone's best revenge is to (in the word of many of our tards) is to "keep her name out of your mouth". Time to get back to real life.

You are right, I have to seethe though or go completely mad. I will not pay any money or read any books or watch any movies. I won't support her ass in any way but I have to call her "the pus that infects the mucus that cruds up the fungus that feeds on the pond scum" or go bat shit crazy.

[Angelinfl]

We still have the Zanny the Nanny civil trial set for February to look forward to.



ORLANDO, Fla. -- The civil suit filed against Casey Anthony by a woman named Zenaida Gonzlalez has been moved.The lawsuit filed by Zenaida Gonzalez, who has the same name as the imaginary baby sitter Anthony claimed kidnapped her daughter, Caylee, is now scheduled for February. It was set for August following Anthony's murder trial, which began May 24.In August 2008, Gonzalez told Local 6 that she had never met Anthony and had no idea how she used her name.She said the first time she saw Caylee was in a picture she was shown by detectives when they interviewed her on suspicion of kidnapping.Anthony’s mother, Cindy, admitted that the woman was the wrong Zenaida Gonzalez and investigators later confirmed that fact.



http://www.clickorlando.com/news/28109086/detail.html

Seems Casey will have some money. She will be able to pay IRS and a judgement in the civil case. Can Morgan and Morgan put a hold on some money in anticipation of a judgement for Zenaida? Also can they revise the amount of the civil case due to more/additional media exposure etc?

[Rockin Ma]

New place to crash!

I had to bring this over from our old thread


and many guilty are found innocent

I just want to point out she was not found "innocent"

Angelinfl I don't see why they can't PJR her money

[Saffron]

She is going to need millions spent on security as there are alot of crazy people out there. So not only has the trial been a big waste of money so will having to spent millions on her after it!!!

At least she'll have to do the spending. She gets no more protection than the average person walking down the street once they slide open those bars and release her.

[Saffron]

What evidence did NOT make it into the trial that you think may have made a difference in the outcome?

And I'm curious about this: when did we first hear about chloroform in this case? Was it when the car was found? The reason I ask is, JVM made a point that though we've heard about internet searches for chloroform & how to make it, we have no evidence that Casey did actually make chloroform. No receipts for purchasing ingredients, no chloroform was discovered, no containers or evidence of chloroform being made. So, do we think Casey actually made, and used, chloroform?

#1 Lots... I think that the checks, the stealing and the $200,000 she made from pictures of Caylee should have been allowed. And the carpet odor. I honestly think the jury held it against the state that they didn't allow them to smell since the one alternate who came forward said they didn't even believe her body was in the car. They needed to smell it. Those are the biggest I can think of right now.

#2 Chloroform was pretty early on, that's how they knew to check the computers for it. I'm thinking by October 2008 we knew about chloroform.

[sintax]

Good Morning, Demons! I am still in shock and stunned! I am still fighting back the tears. I couldn't even talk about this last night. I am just disgusted! I am tired of people saying the State did not prove their case. There was fucking duct tape around the skull! There was 31 days of not reporting your child missing. The jury fucked this up badly. I am 100% blaming the jury. There was absolutely NO EVIDENCE of an accident. NONE!!!! I am now wondering about the fact that juror #7 was crying as she left. Why? Could it be that she was "talked into" believing that there was doubt? I don't think she was convinced that CockMarie was not guilty.

[Saffron]

Good Morning, Demons! I am still in shock and stunned! I am still fighting back the tears. I couldn't even talk about this last night. I am just disgusted! I am tired of people saying the State did not prove their case. There was fucking duct tape around the skull! There was 31 days of not reporting your child missing. The jury fucked this up badly. I am 100% blaming the jury. There was absolutely NO EVIDENCE of an accident. NONE!!!! I am now wondering about the fact that juror #7 was crying as she left. Why? Could it be that she was "talked into" believing that there was doubt? I don't think she was convinced that CockMarie was not guilty.

I don't know... she's the childless 41 year old. I really think she is one of the ones who couldn't conceive of a mother killing their baby and was crying tears of joy with Casey. They are all stupid.

[sintax]

I am baffled that the jurors didn't believe that there was a body in the trunk! How can they say that?

I'm also convinced the jury was talking, after listening to that alternate juror talk. He said, "We felt that...." he was talking like he had been discussing the facts with the others.

JVM says we have to accept the jury's verdict, no matter what. I disagree! I will never "accept" this verdict. It is as much a lie as the rest of the Maries' lives!!!!!!

I am furious!!!!!


Casey, you spiteful bitch!
And $2.56 whore!

[witzah]

Saffron, I love your avatar

[sintax]

I got through last night thinking about the other inmates at the Orange County Jail yelling "Baby Killer" all night. I hope they made CockMarie's night miserable!

[Saffron]

Saffron, I love your avatarThanks, can everyone tell I'm a little angry?

[Angelinfl]

New place to crash!

I had to bring this over from our old thread



I just want to point out she was not found "innocent"


Angelinfl I don't see why they can't PJR her money

I know she was not found innocent. What does PJR mean?
Also, wonder what Perry really thought about it when he read it before he gave it to his clerk, his face didn't reveal a thing at least to me.

[sintax]

Thanks, can everyone tell I'm a little angry?


Me, too! I completely understand.

[Saffron]

I know she was not found innocent. What does PJR mean?
Also, wonder what Perry really thought about it when he read it before he gave it to his clerk, his face didn't reveal a thing at least to me.

When he looked it through twice I got very very nervous apparently for good reason.

[penelopejo]

What you guys don't seem to realize is that there was not enough evidence to put her behind bars for murder 1 or voluntary manslaughter.

Too much doubt for the jury to say, "Hey, this bitch killed her child in cold blood." I'm sure more than one said, "Well, how do we know for sure she didn't drown?"

I think if she were charged for involuntary manslaughter, she would've been found guilty based on the evidence. But the time for that isn't LWOP nor DP. it sucks she was found not guilty, but in the long run, the jurors did what the law dictates them to do.

[sintax]

I just thought of something...............


When will the Judge charge BlowJob with contempt? Or will he now? Will it be done in court on Thursday? I have a feeling that it will all be forgotten................

[Saffron]

The alternate also said that they kept waiting for a motive. The state doesn't have to give a motive and, actually, Jeff did give them one. A motive is not necessary in the state of Florida. The jurors were obviously making up their own rules not just following the ones the judge gave them.

[sintax]

What you guys don't seem to realize is that there was not enough evidence to put her behind bars for murder 1 or voluntary manslaughter.

Too much doubt for the jury to say, "Hey, this bitch killed her child in cold blood." I'm sure more than one said, "Well, how do we know for sure she didn't drown?"

I think if she were charged for involuntary manslaughter, she would've been found guilty based on the evidence. But the time for that isn't LWOP nor DP. it sucks she was found not guilty, but in the long run, the jurors did what the law dictates them to do.


But what evidence said she did drown? I don't see anything that shows she did drown. I don't understand how the jury could completely ignore Dr. G's testimony. I am seriously baffled.

[sintax]

What will CockMarie do for money? Porn? I heard someone say that she will be on PlayBoy soon! But how will she eat next week? BlowJob? She can't get a job. She has no car.

[penelopejo]

But what evidence said she did drowned? I don't see anything that shows she did drowned. I don't understand how the jury could completely ignore Dr. G's testimony. I am seriously baffled.

None. All there was, was her bones. They couldn't show that she did drown, nor could they show that she died from overdosing on chloroform, nor manner of death.

Casey could claim she did drown. And in the process of George dumping her body he taped her face up. But I think they were trying to say that Roy Kronk did it? Either way, the Defense claimed ignorance of the tape because George was the one who got rid of the body.

I know we all know the bitch is guilty, but the state did not prove that Casey killed her with malice. Hence my thinking of involuntary manslaughter.

[PeopleMakeMeSick]

Had to put in my 2 cents, I'm always trolling around the site - I love it & it makes me sick at the same time LOL But this case has totally shocked me, I watched the trial on TV so I heard everything the jurors heard & I dont understand how they came up with NOT GUILT on all death counts! I knew she wasnt gonna get convicted of 1st degree due to lack of concrete evidence of premeditation but come on!!! Not guilty of any form of murder?! Thats insane, do the jurors think Caylee put the duct tape on herself? Its absolutely ridiculous. I am totally peeved that the jurors wont at the very least issue a statement with some sort of explanation of how they arrived at this ubsurd decision. The part that infuriates me the most is that Casey will now get the "beautiful life" she wanted from the beginning. She will have a great life, sure she will be unable to obtain a regular job or go out in public without being yelled at but you know what, she will make millions off books, interviews, movies etc & that part makes me wanna puke!! Makes my heart break that we will never know what happened to that beautiful baby girl & that nobody will ever be punished for it. The jurys decision truely boggles my mind!!
Also, how does she ever rebuild a relationship with her family? I mean its evident that George, Cindy & Lee are pretty fucked up just like Casey but I do not believe the sexual abuse charges (not about george anyways, maybe lee) & I do not believe that George helped Casey cover this all up & make an accident look like murder. Shit I dont give Casey credit for having enough "unselfishness" (if you wanna even call it that) to have kept her mouth shut & allowed herself to sit in prison all this time if she had had someone else to throw under the bus. I think the George helped story was all concocted by the defense but by no means do I think this family isnt totally fucked up. But really if I am correct in believing the sex abuse allegations & the george helped theory was aall a lie then how can they ever forgive her? Even if they are stupid enough to believe she didnt kill Caylee, how could they ever move past those allegations? Ugh, the whole thing makes me sick I thought for sure she would at least be punished for murdering that sweet baby but instead I'm totally shocked she will get to walk away!!!!!! NO JUSTICE was served for Caylee - RIP sweet little girl, I will always remember you & love you more than your own mother ever did

[carolinablue]

Well, I was in such a temper yesterday that I actually scared myself! Instead of breaking shit and screaming and taking my frustration out on innocent dishes and chairs (I once threw a solid oak rocking chair clean thru the back door), I sat my big ass down and meditated. It worked. It's over, it's done; no matter how much we hate it, we have to accept it. Sometimes justice is not served, sometimes the guilty go free, sometimes the victims don't receive justice. I'm going to turn all the energy I invested in this trial into doing something for abused and neglected children. Don't have a whole lot of free time, but there's a shelter near here run by the VOA, and they always need stuff. I'm going to set aside some money every month and buy toys, books and clothes and donate them. I'm too burnt out from my days in the Battered Women's Program to do hands on work, but I'm going to try to make a small difference.

The one thing I absolutely will do is boycott and protest any store selling Casey Anthony's book of lies, assuming she writes one. May have to do it alone, but I will do it. I'll get all the permits and obey the law, and my ass will be out there rain, sun, heat, cold...I'll be there with big signs. Anyway,That's what I'm going to do.

I'm glad I did my mantras because when mr cb got home he said, "I told you so". He will never know how close he was to assault and battery.

[Aslan]

The defense didn't have to prove she drowned. The prosecution had to prove she didn't.
The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.

I hate this verdict, but that is the way the justice system works.

So with the defense tossing out the possibility of her drowning and Casey freaking out (and just for good measure saying her father, a former cop, helped her get rid of the body). It was left to the prosecution to prove the manner of death was NOT from drowning. Of course due to the condition of her poor little body they couldn't prove manner of death so...there ya go.
When you think it was her absolute callous disregard of Caylee's body that helped lead to her being set free, it just makes you want to throw up. Well, it makes me feel like that, at least.

[princessgrandma]

I felt physically ill hearing the verdict yesterday.

Casey will get that RV and since Robin's not available (or she's on the shit list for talking), Dorothy Simms will travel with Casey. Cindy will throw George out and spend the next 10 years begging Casey to come home. Casey will have more babies and all of them will have the Marie middle name. There will be Jose Jr Marie, Cheney Jr. Marie, Dorothy Jr Marie etc etc etc ad nauseum. She will chloroform and duct tape them all, one at a time, and throw them in swampy areas. Not Suburban Drive. It's a stupid criminal that revisits their crime scene.

I read on a blog one of the sites for a Washington DC newspaper that the Casey Anthony jury had the only 12 people in the US who thought she was not guilty.

Not guilty is not innocent. Not by a long shot. She got lucky. The prosecution was eloqent and composed in their defeat. Cheney Mason gave the "finger" to the media. Breeding will tell in the end. They seriously need to send that old fart back to the nursing home.

I am still sick. I won't buy any books, watch any movies or watch any TV shows that have this circus on. I will not contribute to the profit for murder pony show that will keep on going long after the excitement of yesterday dies down. I am done with this shit.

[FrakMe]

We all had a reason for our interest in this case. I border on going down the road of "Too-Much-Information" here, but I will say that unless you have lived with a true sociopath, you have no clue as to what that really means. And I'm sure the jury had no concept or point of reference for this either. And "knowing one" doesn't count. Unless you lived with one you don't know shit. I'm not talking about a pathological liar, although pathological lying is symptomatic in sociopaths, I'm talking the Real McCoy. Sociopaths don't just lie to cover up; they just lie, about everything. You know the saying "if their lips are moving, they're lying"? Well, that's how it is. They lie about everything, and that's a concept that is hard for people to grasp. Oh, they throw in a nugget of truth, but that nugget is encased in a lying cluster-fuck. And when I say they lie all the time about everything - well just think about that for a moment. You finally become so emotionally and physically exhausted that you have to pick your battles and only confront the lies that are truly harmful. You can't sit and argue over every lie, because they never end. I repeat, the lies never end, ever. People have no conception of just how good they do lie. Many sociopaths have photographic memories, and can absorb details that a normal person wouldn't pay much mind to. And they have the ability to make you look like the "crazy" person when confronted. They have no remorse, so where a normal person becomes upset, or even paranoid over something, they are as cool as a cucumber, and they can twist a situation to make you look like an insane lunatic. They never lose an argument, because they can't stop. You, however, will at some point throw up your hands and walk away. Oh yes you will. Most sociopaths could really have a successful career and probably be famous in a good way. That's the sad part. They really could, but the older they get, the more destructive they become. They truly have their own version of reality, and everything happens to them, and everything is about them, and everyone is beholding to them in some way. There is no cure for these people. There is no medication, no therapy, no rehab, absolutely nothing that will help. You can't cut someone open and insert a conscience and soul. I think when they are young, sociopaths are so smart and charming, the lies are looked upon as "cute" - oh he/she has such a vivid imagination. They are very entertaining, and so intelligent and talented. So while they are still young, sweet, and innocent, the clues you need to know that there is a problem are probably looked over because the kid is smart - and talented - and entertaining - and so on. But even recognizing it early won't help them, but it might help you. You need to know from the beginning that this person will never grow up to love and respect you (or anyone else), and they will never tell the truth about anything, and you will need to work toward separating yourself from them. I would imagine for a mother, this is so unimaginable, as mothers are supposed to love unconditionally. Normal people take a total rejection like this personally, but they don't. The only thing you can do for yourself is to sever all ties. It's hard when they are family, as you have a different perception of relationships and responsibility than they do. Still, the only way you can save yourself is to get away from a sociopath and stay away forever. THEY WILL NOT MISS YOU!

Now that I spewed all that, I agree with Dakota. The best way we can honor Caylee is not to give her murderer another thought, because the murderer does not care. She will be off next week and travel to Ireland to pick up her adopted daughter, or some such insane scenario. I would like to see all the Caylee threads, including this one, deleted and replaced with a closed thread with a picture of Caylee, in loving memory or some such, and her date of birth and death. Sweet and simple. No comments, and no mention of the sociopathic murdering bitch anywhere - she deserves nothing.

[solange82200]

wOW, Jesse Grund and Trace the bodyguard were on Today show. This is just unbelievable. I cannot believe it still

[sintax]

I, too, am still in disbelief!

I saw Jesse Grund interviewed last night. He is pissed!!!!!!!!

[Saffron]

Can a felon get a passport? I hope not.

P.S. She can but many countries won't let her in.

[sintax]

I don't know. Probably. She can't vote, though. Big deal, right?

[sintax]

Jeff Ashton is 53 years old and retiring. Do you think he will go work in private practice?

[Pennie]

I don't know. Probably. She can't vote, though. Big deal, right?

I think she can eventually get her right to vote back here in Fl. 5-7 years I think.

[Pennie]

I am still in shock. I do not have much to say today. Read on TMZ Vivid Video is trying to contact JB.

[biteme]

What you guys don't seem to realize is that there was not enough evidence to put her behind bars for murder 1 or voluntary manslaughter.

Too much doubt for the jury to say, "Hey, this bitch killed her child in cold blood." I'm sure more than one said, "Well, how do we know for sure she didn't drown?"

I think if she were charged for involuntary manslaughter, she would've been found guilty based on the evidence. But the time for that isn't LWOP nor DP. it sucks she was found not guilty, but in the long run, the jurors did what the law dictates them to do.
Although the cunt was the last seen with her; she lied about knowing what happened to her and led everyone in the wrong direction
and you had the PC searches. They didn't prove murder, Funny all the defense lawyers interviewed kept saying how this proved our legal system works because its set up to free 10 guilty before convecting an innocent, I'm sure defense lawyers would love to have this jury on all their cases
So bottom line seems everyone agrees she was responsible in some way with Caylee's death, but in our legal system knowing is not enough, you have to be able to prove it beyond reasonable doubt, I liked the judge that said these jurors took reasonable doubt to NO DOUBT and you can never have that unless the witness to the action is on the jury and they legally can't be
They've convected criminals without ever finding the body, guess it depends on the mentality of the population in the area
I bet if this case had been judged in Texas she would have gotten DP
Although I really feel Baez's drowning statement in the beginning set the stage for these jurors, its like people can't believe someone would plead guilty if they didn't do it
They couldn't believe she would say Caylee drowned if she didn't she wouldn't say her dad stuck his penis in her mouth if he didn't even after knowing her whole life was about lying, they have never dealt with a psychopath
This jury never got past the opening statement, they made up their mind right than and there
That's why they didn't really need to deliberate, they all agreed from the beginning
All the talking heads said Baez's opening was dumb, turned out to be the real idiots

[sintax]

According to CNN, last night CockMarie was served in a civil suit against Zenaida Gonzalez.

[sintax]

I think she can eventually get her right to vote back here in Fl. 5-7 years I think.



Wonderful.....................

[solange82200]

Jesus. You know what hurts, makes me really ache for some reason thinking about it? Remember when she had her fit of crying and mouthed the words like "when I am acquited I will get never go back to the house" or whatever? Remember how ridiculous we thought it was that she ACTUALLY thought she was getting off? I thought it was the most outrageous thing, and to think she was actually right. I just cant process it, its like reality has been suspended and im living in some alternate universe, it is just that unbelievable how one hour we all were certain she was getting guilty of 1st degree, and minutes later we find out the opposite....


To everyone who keeps saying there wasnt enough evidence, you should watch the interview with Jeff A this morning where he said most cases he has won had similar circumstantial evidence and that they were certain there was enough. He said he mouthed the word WOW five times. These people have done this for years, and even they considered it open and shut. I think to sit here and say, well its understandable that there wasnt enough evidence, is completely untrue. Just watching how stunned the legal experts (who have more experience than us) were tells me that Im not imagining the fact that the case was good enough for conviction of some charge relating to death, whether it be manslaughter or 2nd degree.

No one expected that jury to give her the death penalty, there is no excuse for her to walk out of this scott free. WHen you can get more time for using drugs than for killing a child, something is wrong. Simple as that

[biteme]

The defense didn't have to prove she drowned. The prosecution had to prove she didn't.
The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.

I hate this verdict, but that is the way the justice system works.

So with the defense tossing out the possibility of her drowning and Casey freaking out (and just for good measure saying her father, a former cop, helped her get rid of the body). It was left to the prosecution to prove the manner of death was NOT from drowning. Of course due to the condition of her poor little body they couldn't prove manner of death so...there ya go.
When you think it was her absolute callous disregard of Caylee's body that helped lead to her being set free, it just makes you want to throw up. Well, it makes me feel like that, at least.
You got it short and to the point, couldn't be said any better

[Saffron]

I might have to go on medication. I'm that sad and depressed. Luckily, my hubby didn't work yesterday. I got home at 4:00 and slept until 6:30, then I got up, ate and went back to bed.

I'm sitting here at work with downtime and I am completely demotivated. I want to cry. The last time I felt like this, I was on Paxil for 6 months.

[groovy135]

Hi guys, I got nothing to add, I'm here with you, reading everything..great, great posts, so many things to think about. All I can hope for is she gets royally fucked in the future, the bigger she gets the harder the fall. I know she has no remorse for anything she has done, she never will. I'm still holding on to a teeny glimmer of hope that Perry has something in store for her, even if it's a few months in gen pop.,although it's probably setting myself for another disappointment. I do hope she and the rest of that slime buckets get civil suits out of the ying-yang for decades to come.

[totallytoddler]

The orange county sheriffs office (or whatever) just made an announcement detailing HOW an acquitted person will be released. She will not
be released from the courthouse, because she is high profile, but that she will be released into the community. WTF??? Its on HLN right now.
I really hope JP makes her serve out the rest of her sentence even if its only one year.

[solange82200]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/07/06/137646057/jurors-thinking-in-casey-anthony-trial-starts-to-emerge

[totallytoddler]

I, too, am still in disbelief!

I saw Jesse Grund interviewed last night. He is pissed!!!!!!!!
I saw that too. I love how he was asked when he thought about being with Casey if he was creeped out or skeeved...LOL and he said "The Casey I knew, I consider to be dead...I do not know this person". He was also disgusted by all her laughing during her murder trial.

[totallytoddler]

I always wondered why she was not charged with improper disposal of a corpse. But ...I'm sure this jury would have found her not guilty of that either....since they didn't SEE her do it.
And that alternate juror said something like "there was only ONE hair" (with the death band on it).
I give the credit to Mason with his "not guilty chart". Asshole.

[RowensBones]

I realize that I am not alone in feeling that justice was not served yesterday and that the bitch walking free was NOT the correct verdict, unless you leave your common sense at the door. I do not understand when we stopped using our heads to connect the dots. Circumstantial evidence is not generally the best way to convict someone, but in this case there was an overwhelming amount of evidence that pointed to one person ONLY - Casey Anthony. No other scenario made sense or fit all the facts delivered in the case. Somewhere along the line our justice system has gotten just as bogged down with BS as our political, health and economy. I suppose that's why I took this slightly more personal than I cared to admit to myself until that verdict came back. I needed something in this country to go "right" - to follow the the same rules that I was taught while growing up. Work hard, get ahead, be honest and be rewarded, lie and there will be trouble, and murderers go to jail.
In the past 3 yrs I have lost all patience with the stupidity of the world, but I (naively, I guess) believed that our Justice system was solid enough to withstand the likes of Casey Anthony. BUT by the end of the trial (and before the verdict was delivered), I was convinced that JUSTICE is nothing more or less than a huge game of Chess, where the most confusing atty wins! Sadly, it appears that I was correct! This trial had NOTHING TO DO WITH JUSTICE and was only about winning at all costs for the defense.
The only thing good that came out of the whole trial was that moment (and it was extremely brief), where Jose had a look on his face like "what have I done?" During the press conference, he seemed to remember that there was a dead 3 yr old and his client was most certainly guilty, but then it passed as he congratulated himself on becoming the next Johnny Cochran. I need to go be sick now.

[biteme]

Don't mean to piss everyone off, but can you believe how this is all playing out

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011620/Casey-Anthony-verdict-Not-guilty-mother-make-fortune-media-interviews.html
Freed mother set to make a fortune from media interviews... but will family take her back?

There is already speculation the compelling case could be turned into a movie, and she is likely to be inundated with lucrative television and book deals worth millions of dollars.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011620/Casey-Anthony-verdict-Not-guilty-mother-make-fortune-media-interviews.html#ixzz1RLAu7Omq

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011620/Casey-Anthony-verdict-Not-guilty-mother-make-fortune-media-interviews.html#ixzz1RLAgxE6s

[Pennie]

Hour long interview with MR. Ashton on In Sessions @ 2pm est.

[totallytoddler]

Don't mean to piss everyone off, but can you believe how this is all playing out

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011620/Casey-Anthony-verdict-Not-guilty-mother-make-fortune-media-interviews.html
Freed mother set to make a fortune from media interviews... but will family take her back?

There is already speculation the compelling case could be turned into a movie, and she is likely to be inundated with lucrative television and book deals worth millions of dollars.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011620/Casey-Anthony-verdict-Not-guilty-mother-make-fortune-media-interviews.html#ixzz1RLAu7Omq

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011620/Casey-Anthony-verdict-Not-guilty-mother-make-fortune-media-interviews.html#ixzz1RLAgxE6s

This disgusts me. I cannot believe people would pay her or that her attorney would even let her do interviews. They would hammer her like the prosecution would. I think she should go into hiding, change her name and face...and move out of the state/country.
But knowing the little attention whore like we do....she will be all over the book and movie shit.
I don't think a reality show would be good. Since.....well...she does not live in reality.

[redsaid]

I might have to go on medication. I'm that sad and depressed. Luckily, my hubby didn't work yesterday. I got home at 4:00 and slept until 6:30, then I got up, ate and went back to bed.

I'm sitting here at work with downtime and I am completely demotivated. I want to cry. The last time I felt like this, I was on Paxil for 6 months.

Drugs aren't doing it for me. I still feel robbed. I feel for america. Just like I feel for Baby P. NO JUSTICE and 2 dead babies.

[solange82200]

Hour long interview with MR. Ashton on In Sessions @ 2pm est.

Damn is there any way i can watch it at work?? I must see this. I cannot believe this happened to Jeff and Linda, they poured their heart, soul, everything in to this case.

[solange82200]

Drugs aren't doing it for me. I still feel robbed. I feel for america. Just like I feel for Baby P. NO JUSTICE and 2 dead babies.

There are a lot of problems with this obviously, but there was a feeling ive had even before that for some reason people are more understanding of someone killing their own child as opposed to someone elses. Its as if they are the parent's property, therefore killing them isnt as bad as killing a child that doesnt belong to you. Why? Why should a child unlucky enough to be born to a parent that is cruel and evil deserve justice any less than another child? It doesnt make sense and isnt right

[witzah]

I just thought of something...............


When will the Judge charge BlowJob with contempt? Or will he now? Will it be done in court on Thursday? I have a feeling that it will all be forgotten................

We won't hear about this until much later, after judgeI perry files and the bar takes action if any which I suspect they will.



Everyone keeps talking about all the money casey will be making..... a book maybe but who is going to interview her? She lies. I guess she'll wanna talk....but I think it'll QUICKLY prove unwise when her interviews conflict. If she gives them. She'll either give interviews and prove she did it or she'll go in hiding. Because everyone knows she's a no good friend and no good liar....how embarrassing for her, right?


She might talk but if she does it'll be to her detriment and prove to those jurors how wrong they were.


I think she wants to maintain the image of innocence which means speak little....like OJ.....then she'll be in a situation where she needs to burglarize and ends up with a 30 year sentence on something else 10 years later.

[sintax]

This disgusts me. I cannot believe people would pay her or that her attorney would even let her do interviews. They would hammer her like the prosecution would. I think she should go into hiding, change her name and face...and move out of the state/country.
But knowing the little attention whore like we do....she will be all over the book and movie shit.
I don't think a reality show would be good. Since.....well...she does not live in reality.


Her tacky-ass lawyer will be by her side giving those interviews. He will not deny himself the fame, like he should.

[sintax]

We won't hear about this until much later, after judgeI perry files and the bar takes action if any which I suspect they will.



Everyone keeps talking about all the money casey will be making..... a book maybe but who is going to interview her? She lies. I guess she'll wanna talk....but I think it'll QUICKLY prove unwise when her interviews conflict. If she gives them. She'll either give interviews and prove she did it or she'll go in hiding. Because everyone knows she's a no good friend and no good liar....how embarrassing for her, right?


She might talk but if she does it'll be to her detriment and prove to those jurors how wrong they were.


I think she wants to maintain the image of innocence which means speak little....like OJ.....then she'll be in a situation where she needs to burglarize and ends up with a 30 year sentence on something else 10 years later.

I think it's only a matter of time before she commits fraud or something worse. She hasn't changed and will only become bolder because of this. At this point, I have to put all my faith in Karma.

[sintax]

Holy shit! Tim Miller is pissed!!!!! He is thinking about suing since he spent a lot of money on a "missing" child. Jose said that she was never missing. He wants his money back! $112,000. He wants her to reimburse him with her book/movie money.

Tim Miller just said, "Somebody needs to pay!"

[biteme]

We won't hear about this until much later, after judgeI perry files and the bar takes action if any which I suspect they will.



Everyone keeps talking about all the money casey will be making..... a book maybe but who is going to interview her? She lies. I guess she'll wanna talk....but I think it'll QUICKLY prove unwise when her interviews conflict. If she gives them. She'll either give interviews and prove she did it or she'll go in hiding. Because everyone knows she's a no good friend and no good liar....how embarrassing for her, right?


She might talk but if she does it'll be to her detriment and prove to those jurors how wrong they were.


I think she wants to maintain the image of innocence which means speak little....like OJ.....then she'll be in a situation where she needs to burglarize and ends up with a 30 year sentence on something else 10 years later.
Nancy Disgrace would give her husband's right ball to have her on the show, she would also agree to only ask pre-screened questions
she's done it before, except the right ball part

[totallytoddler]

I think JP should make her serve out the remainder of her sentence doing community service....digging in dirt and swamps for missing childrens bones/bodies. On her hands and knees digging with her fingers....with snakes and animals and bugs all around her...crawling on her. She deserves the worst most disgusting of punishments. Sorry...I know thats gross. She just really needs to be punished harshly. She deserves the same respect she gave to Caylee.
Fuck it...just bury her alive.

[Silvahalo]

Sleep was elusive last night. 2am sitting at the edge of my bed thinking about Caylee and my own children, things she will never do or have...so many possibilities taken from her. What she might have become, her jubilant innocence never to be embraced again. Caylee was infectious with her smile and singsong voice. I am a stranger to these things but yet I mourn the loss of them.

How I thought and distressed over what Caylee's last moments were. Did she cry as her mama turned on her took her in an arms embrace absent of any comfort or love? did she feel fear as she was put into a forever silence as tape was put on her mouth and nose? Or was she put to sleep to never wake again? I'd like to think sleep was her last thought as images blurred from her world--put asleep never to wake again, maybe given a last kiss...in her minds eye all was right with the world. My hope.

I move on now from the disparity of this case. I had held to this case because of its circumstances the implications left me anxious to see what this young child would be given for justice. Her case spoke for many children who have died under similar circumstances---I wanted this case to be their voice.
Caylee was silenced by tape, by death. Now the law has spoken and yet again her voice is not heard. This cannot be...this is not justice. So I began thinking on how to make some of this wrong right, wanted to start a petition but found that others have already started such a campaign on change.org. If you are as disgusted and outraged as many are over the outcome of this case, please sign all and every petition that you hear of as to ensure Caylee's voice is never silenced, never forgotten and that others in her circumstances might get justice.
Make our voice hers.
I am well impressed considering the trial just ended yesterday!....littlest Caylee, you are loved!

Oklahoman Michelle Crowder (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/casey-anthony-verdict-sparks-campaign-for-caylees-law/2011/07/06/gIQAbjHX0H_blog.html), who is a mother of two daughters, says parents need to report their child’s disappearance immediately, and has started a Change.org petition (http://www.change.org/petitions/create-caylees-law) and Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/CreateCayleesLaw) to ask Congress to create a law to enforce that. “Caylee’s Law” would make it a federal offense and a felony for a parent or guardian to fail to report a child’s disappearance to law enforcement.
[...]Nearly 2,000 people have signed the “Caylee’s Law” petition each hour since its creation, making it the fastest-growing campaign on Change.org, according to the site.
Another campaign on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=237189926299700) has nearly two million people pledging to leave their porch lights on for Caylee.
Imagine what this could mean for other children if this law is passed. Imagine what this means in honoring little Caylee.

I refuse to let Caylee be dishonored. She lives in our hearts is she is loved the world over.
Baby Caylee you were a brilliant light onto this world, a light taken from you, from us. I pledge with countless others to leave my light on for you. To do as needed to see that laws are made in your honor.
"Goodnight stars...goodnight moon..."goodnight precious Caylee Marie Anthony too. You will not be silenced. Never forgotten.

http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s341/silvahalo68/Fallen angels/FallenAngels2/CayleeMarieAnthonyL.jpg
CAYLEE'S LAW (http://www.change.org/petitions/create-caylees-law)
CAYLEE'S LAW FACEBOOK (http://www.facebook.com/CreateCayleesLaw)
In a word, you were love.

[Angelinfl]

The alternate also said that they kept waiting for a motive. The state doesn't have to give a motive and, actually, Jeff did give them one. A motive is not necessary in the state of Florida. The jurors were obviously making up their own rules not just following the ones the judge gave them.

The State sure did make a motive to me. In face, they made more than one possible motive. Any and all of them could play. There was more motivation in my opinion for Casey to get rid of Caylee than to keep her yet wouldn't give her to Cindy and I'm not sure if Cindy would have let Casey go anyways.

LDB also brought it home in her closing argument last statement. Who's life was better because there was no Caylee. Jeff mentioned Caylee could talk and expose all Casey's lies. Casey's life was unravveling. I wonder if Casey ever grieved for any of the animals she had while growing up. Seems there are alot of bags of remains of animals in backyard interesting cause cadaver dogs trained for human decomp not other animal.

Another point is if animals can detect human decomp vs any other kind or scent... the scent must therefore, be unique. More support Vass.

[Sister Iroz]

Orlando, Fla. - On Tuesday afternoon, many were shocked and angered when a jury found Casey Anthony was not guilty of killing her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony. One of those who found the verdict unbelievable included her former fiance, Jesse Grund, who at one point thought he may have been the toddler's father until a DNA test proved him wrong. He told Nancy Grace Tuesday night that he was angry about the jury's decision to the point of 'seething.'

“I’m shocked and angry... I’m shocked is the best choice of words. I feel like someone who was just in a war and doesn’t know what happened,” Grund told Grace during an appearance on her HLN TV show.

“I know how close that you had become to Caylee,” said Grace. “As a matter of fact, the defense at one point was playing point the finger at you until they found what they thought to be a better target, that was George Anthony. I guess he fit into their scenario better than you did.”

She added, “For a while there, you were looking like the scapegoat with Roy Kronk. So explain to me your anger and your feelings of being essentially numb.”

Grund said, “You know numb is a great choice of words... I walk away from this case with just dissatisfaction, with every side. I’m angry tonight with the defense and their lack of tact by having a champagne toast right across the street from the courthouse. Even though they’re talking about the fact that nobody wins because Caylee is not here anymore.”

He continued, “This was never about a search for the truth. This was about... winning at all costs. That’s what this was about. And I’m angry... I am beside myself, seething over that fact... I feel like I’ve sat on the sidelines the entire time, never getting a chance to speak. People spoke for me repeatedly... this has been a frustrating experience overall based on the fact that Caylee – I still love and miss dearly – she’s never coming back. And nobody sought out the truth in this. This was all about winning. This was never about the truth.”

To read Jesse Grund's DNA test results excluding him as Caylee's father, click here.

Grace then asked Grund what he believes actually happened to the toddler.

He responded, “...it’s hard for me to wrap my mind about what happened because I have to sit there and think about Casey doing something terrible to Caylee. I have to visualize it. I have to put it together with my brain... that hurts. It leaves me empty inside when I try and do that. I have no idea. Obviously Casey was the last person to see Caylee alive. Obviously someone took... Caylee's body and put it in the woods and obviously this family knows more than what they have said on the stand.

Grund's father, Richard Grund was also a guest on the show and said Casey took emotional abuse from her mother, Cindy Anthony.

“I observed that to call this family dysfunctional is an understatement. I personally observed the mental and emotional abuse that Casey took from her mother,” he said. “In my opinion I believe the prosecution dropped the ball when they tried to present this as a loving family. They should have just come right out, aired it out... But they made a mistake by saying that this was just a normal loving family and it was the farthest thing from that.”

[...]http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/jesse-grund-tells-nancy-grace-he-s-seething-about-casey-anthony-verdict

[Jerri Blank]

http://i51.tinypic.com/dgtor6.jpg
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvspy/casey-anthony-defense-attorney-flips-off-media-following-verdict_b13989
(http://www.mediabistro.com/tvspy/casey-anthony-defense-attorney-flips-off-media-following-verdict_b13989)
This pic just made me twice as mad when I seen it. Even though the defense won their case there is still a beautiful little girl dead.

Where did they even dig this guy up from any way?

[Angelinfl]

Can a felon get a passport? I hope not.

P.S. She can but many countries won't let her in.

Tru TV said she just received a porn offer from an overseas country. They showed the name of the porn company but I didn't catch it. It also said her attorney refused to comment. Don't forget Jose called her a slut. Lots of sluts are very comfy making porno movies. I hear they pay well and lots might pay to see this one. Society is so perverted.

[solange82200]

Casey Anthony's parents are today in hiding at their Orlando home after receiving death threats following their daughter's stunning acquittal, which has sparked outrage across the U.S.

Cindy and George Anthony said they were shocked by the 'not guilty' verdict, which means the 25-year-old defendant is poised to walk free tomorrow morning.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011915/Casey-Anthony-trial-verdict-Parents-face-death-threats-stunning-acquittal.html#ixzz1RLSi9ebq

[Pennie]

Im on my phone so i need to be short. TBO.COM has story that Judge Perry will rule on lifting the ban on the names of those on the Jury at 1:30.
I hope they all were smart enough to remove any and all social media sites they belong to. I would not but I do know some ladies at a.site that will be all over that info asap. If info is released Good luck to them!

[Jerri Blank]

Im on my phone so i need to be short. TBO.COM has story that Judge Perry will rule on lifting the ban on the names of those on the Jury at 1:30.
I hope they all were smart enough to remove any and all social media sites they belong to. I would not but I do know some ladies at a.site that will be all over that info asap. If info is released Good luck to them!

I have a pen pretty handy myself.

[Silvahalo]

Tru TV said she just received a porn offer from an overseas country. They showed the name of the porn company but I didn't catch it. It also said her attorney refused to comment. Don't forget Jose called her a slut. Lots of sluts are very comfy making porno movies. I hear they pay well and lots might pay to see this one. Society is so perverted.

yes, she did. Even the skankiest of hoe's it appears have a place in this industry.


Murderer Casey Anthony might as well live in an underground bunker because that ho is going to have a hard time finding a place to live and I'm sure it will be difficult for her to find a job. Actually, there is one company that is offering employment (http://poponthepop.com/2011/07/casey-anthony-offered-a-job-in-porn/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Poponthepopcom+(poponthepop.com )) for Casey, and it's none other than Vivid Entertainment who's probably best known for their celebrity sex tapes.

[...]
"Whether you agree with the verdict or not, Casey will want to move forward with her life and has a right to make a living. It’s not going to be easy for her and we believe we can help her make the transition into a new life."

"We’ve all seen the pictures of her partying and having a good time with friends where she definitely looks hot."
Yeah, she was looking hot while her daughter was "missing". Steve Hirsch doesn't have a back bone and will do whatever he can for a few bucks.
If Casey does jump on the porn wagon, her first feature film should be titled 'Casey f*cks the Court System'.
Go fuck yourself Casehoe.


I'm off to do something fun with my kids. Fuck this bitch to hell.

[solange82200]

Tv host starts crying when she reads the verdict:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011688/Casey-Anthony-trial-verdict-TV-host-Julie-Chen-breaks-air.html

[redsaid]

There are a lot of problems with this obviously, but there was a feeling ive had even before that for some reason people are more understanding of someone killing their own child as opposed to someone elses. Its as if they are the parent's property, therefore killing them isnt as bad as killing a child that doesnt belong to you. Why? Why should a child unlucky enough to be born to a parent that is cruel and evil deserve justice any less than another child? It doesnt make sense and isnt right

It sounds like you are coming from the killers point of view. She's MY daughter and I will do what I want with her, even though the rest of society will see it as a murder.

You're right, it doesnt make sense. Some people just shouldn't be parents - and furthur more, some should not be around society at all!

[solange82200]

Yuri Melich's tweet today : DickTracyOrlndo
And now we know who couldn't fill out a ballot correctly.

[KyFyre]

While hearing about the alternate jurors interviews, we've not actually heard from the REAL jurors. The alternates weren't in the deliberation room, right? So how would they know what the actual jurors thought/felt when they did not hear the conversations.


We all know that "Not Guilty" is not the same as Innocent. We all know that the only true innocent person in this whole mess was Caylee. I'm thinking that maybe we haven't heard from the actual jurors because they don't want to have to admit they know she is guilty, but just couldn't convict on the evidence they were presented with. We all know there are a great number of things that was kept out of court that links together Casey's guilt.

I am shocked, and saddened by the verdict just as many of you are. But, I'm taking solace in knowing that nowhere has the judge, jury or any reasonable person other than Caseys defense team (and most sane people don't put much stock into what they say or claim) at anytime said she was actually innocent.

[redsaid]

I, like most of you, are devastated. I now have even less faith in the judicial system.

Does anyone think that if HHBP was to soley preside over this trial, do you think he would have come up with a guilty verdict?

[solange82200]

Actually, I dont think thats really Yuri. I wish it was lol

[solange82200]

We all know there are a great number of things that was kept out of court that links together Casey's guilt.


I cant see that, what great number of things were kept from them? Other than the stealing from everyone around her, they knew just about everything. They had MORE than enough to find a verdict of at least manslaughter or 2nd degree. No one can convince me other wise, i just cant believe there are people out there accepting this.

[redsaid]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011915/Casey-Anthony-trial-verdict-Parents-face-death-threats-stunning-acquittal.html#ixzz1RLSi9ebq

Amy Fisher has been doing porn for at least 6 months. Why don't we just *encourage* Casey to try it out. It would better for her image. Strippers over baby killers everytime!

[mirele]

TMZ is reporting one of the jurors (33, male, college educated, married, 2 kids) is willing to sell his story. Bidding is apparently in the mid-five figures. Not linking, not giving them any publicity.

There's not enough money out there that is gonna protect this guy from getting screamed at (or worse) by irate people for doing this.

Oh yeah, and hell is not hot enough yet.

[Pennie]

http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-news/2011/jul/06/14/anthony-alternate-juror-she-did-not-get-away-with--ar-242105/#comments


Anthony alternate juror: 'She did not get away with murder'


ST. PETERSBURG --
An alternate juror in the Casey Anthony trial said he doesn't believe the Orlando mother got away with murder.

Juror No. 14, Russ Huekler, of St. Petersburg, did not take part in deliberations, but he agreed with those who decided Anthony was not guilty of murdering 2-year-old Caylee in 2008.

"We had a lot of reasonable doubt," he said of the jury.

After listening to six weeks of evidence, Huekler said he sided more with Anthony's defense, which claimed in opening statements that the girl's death was an accident and that her grandfather George Anthony helped cover it up.

"I think she drowned," Huekler said Tuesday night at his home. "Whatever happened, I think more than one person knows, and I think that was possibly George. But for some reason, the prosecution was right: They made an accident look like a murder scene."

So far, Huekler has been the only member of the panel – 12 jurors and five alternates selected from Pinellas County – to discuss the case publicly.

He appeared on the "Today" show this morning and laid out three reasons why he didn't believe the prosecution: The evidence wasn't enough to sustain a conviction, no motive was presented and there was no proven cause of death.

"No, she did not get away with murder," he told "Today" co-host Matt Lauer.

Prosecutors claimed Casey Anthony killed her daughter so she could be with a boyfriend and live a party lifestyle. They brought in Anthony's family members, friends and scientists to convince jurors Anthony suffocated Caylee, hide the toddler in her car trunk and dump the body in a swamp.

"Just being a party girl," he said, wasn't enough to prove murder.

Huekler, a government and economics teacher at Pinellas Park High School, said he thought the Anthony family was dysfunctional, a contention of the defense. Huekler said that explained lies Anthony told authorities searching for Caylee.

Anthony was convicted on four counts of providing false information to investigators.

The lies were the "$64,000 question" in the case, Huekler said.

"The lies just didn't start with the death of Caylee," he told "Today." "These lies have been going on for two years previously. And so I think it was just the way this family operated.

"I personally think this family was dysfunctional. That was the way she had always acted and had continued with the lies."

Huekler told The Associated Press that he was shocked to learn of the public's anger over the acquittal.

"Those 12 jurors, they worked really, really hard," Huekler said. "I'm sure they looked at the law and the evidence that was presented and, unfortunately, the prosecution didn't meet their burden of proof."

Huekler said Judge Belvin Perry gave the jury very specific instructions prior to deliberations.

"There were 12 pages of jury instructions for each charge," he said. "And it was very clear what had to be proven for a guilty verdict."

He said that jurors likely focused on the evidence, not the opening and closing statements in the trial.

"I know that for myself, the opening statements are not evidence," he said. "It's a roadmap of where the prosecution and the defense wanted their cases to go. So I disregarded the opening statements and waited for the evidence. I would have made my decision based on the evidence."

He also told AP he feels compassion for Anthony, that he hopes she will get help and that she can "no longer live a life of lies."

Reply to bold....sociopaths can be helped.

[Saffron]

Obviously by the language the alternate juror used, the jury didn't follow the judge's instructions and did discuss the case among themselves.

[sleepinwithangels]

I am still just in a state of shock...drank a 12 pack last night and drunk ranted on other forums..
Woke up this morning and the first thing I thought was "oh shit, Casey was found not guilty." That's a pretty shitty way to start your day!

Believe it or not, I've actually had to argue my side a few times. Did I think they had enough evidence for Murder 1...not at all...but there was enough common sense evidence to, at the least, convict her of manslaughter.

So shocked...bewildered..befuddled..confused...
Just...wow.

Should've sent her down here to TX...shed have a neede in her arm in no time.

[Pennie]

Just a reminder Mr. Ashton on in sessions at 2pm.. a few minutes from now.

[Pennie]

TMZ is reporting one of the jurors (33, male, college educated, married, 2 kids) is willing to sell his story. Bidding is apparently in the mid-five figures. Not linking, not giving them any publicity.

There's not enough money out there that is gonna protect this guy from getting screamed at (or worse) by irate people for doing this.

Oh yeah, and hell is not hot enough yet.

Greedy bastard.

[princessgrandma]

I teared up yesterday but didn't actually cry. Today I cried when I read silva's post #134. Silva, you are awesome and put into words what I'd like to say if I could put words together that well.

I really hope there are some kind of consequences, even if only indirect now, for this bitch. I'd like to see her in a couple of years as a dried-up, drugged-out porn star with no place to go. Even that wouldn't be enough, but it'd be something. Thanks, silva.

My mantra from now on will be "Not guilty is NOT innocent."

[Zibarro]

Jury instructions should include a clear definition of "reasonable doubt". The phrase isn't "beyond a shadow of a doubt" - it is "reasonable doubt". I believe too many jurors take this definition to mean they have to be 110% sure that every single thing they've been told by the prosecutors is accurate - and that the prosecutors have to prove how, when, why or where someone died.

That Casey wasn't convicted of ANY Caylee related charge is ludicrous and shameful. The jury didn't *have* to choose 1st degree with DP. They could have chosen a lesser degree with LWOP. Or 25 to Life. Weeks and weeks of testimony and evidence - and they rush back in 10 hours with a not guilty verdict? Legally, those 10 hours are the ONLY time they are allowed to discuss the case amoungst themselves - yet that is ALL the time they needed? That is only possible if their minds were made up long before deliberations took place - or they discussed it before hand.

What the jury is saying is:
1. Exposing a 2 yr. old to chloroform is OK - even if it kills her.
2. Duct taping a 2 yr. olds nose and mouth is OK - even if it kills her.
3. Disposing of a 2 yr. old in the woods - in trash bags - is OK, whether you killed her or not.
4. Not reporting her missing for over a month is OK - and partying the whole time is OK, too.
5. Lying about it all to the cops is NOT OK.
6. Lying about where you work is NOT OK.

This whole thing is total FUBAR. I don't know near as much as some of you do - but I've seen enough, heard enough and read enough to know - THAT BITCH IS AS GUILTY AS THE SKY IS BLUE TODAY!!

I've signed all the petitions, joined the FB groups and will be writing my congressmen/women to pass these laws. I will be hoping that Karma is most unkind to Casey and that the "fun" starts soon!

RIP little Caylee.

[Pennie]

Jury member publicist letter to TMZ


Casey Anthony Juror: Ask Me Anything ... For a Price
7/6/2011 10:06 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0706_casey_letter_TMZ.pdf

[Zibarro]

I lived in Pinellas County for many years - let me find out I knew one of these jurors....

My youngest brother went to PPHS - wonder if that teacher was there back then? Off to FB to check out his friends... bwahahaha.

EDIT:

Not on my brother's friends list - but here's a link to Mr. Huekler's FB page:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1424657898&sk=wall

[Sister Iroz]

Tim Miller said on HLN a distant relative of Casey's has offered her to come live with them in Houston, TX. What the hell are they thinking!

[penelopejo]

Lol

I could only hope that she would move 8 hours away from me. Maybe I'll see her boozing it up and pick a fight with her. Then claim self defense as I poke her eyes out. One can only hope.

[Rockin Ma]

Lol

I could only hope that she would move 8 hours away from me. Maybe I'll see her boozing it up and pick a fight with her. Then claim self defense as I poke her eyes out. One can only hope.

I'd claim the nanny did it.

[Whisper]

I watched Jeff Ashton this morning before heading to airport and he has heard and I heard this on couple other places too that shes most likely moving to Europe
but even there they know who she is
I have tuned out anything to do with her since lastnight
I just saw him this morning and wanted to see what he had to say after he had a night to ponder it
I watched Nancy Grace lose it on nightline lastnight lol after Terry Morand asked if it was "ethical" to jump on a case for 3 years and tear it apart especially so soon after Trenton Duckett fiasco

[RowensBones]

I have always though ol' Foghorn Leghorn was a complete ass, but now he's showing it for the whole world to see. You would think he would know better!!

[Jerri Blank]

I watched Jeff Ashton this morning before heading to airport and he has heard and I heard this on couple other places too that shes most likely moving to Europe
but even there they know who she is
I have tuned out anything to do with her since lastnight
I just saw him this morning and wanted to see what he had to say after he had a night to ponder it
I watched Nancy Grace lose it on nightline lastnight lol after Terry Morand asked if it was "ethical" to jump on a case for 3 years and tear it apart especially so soon after Trenton Duckett fiasco

Wow, someone threw Trenton in her face? I bet that shook her.

I'm watching Jeff Ashton right now. I really like this guy, it's sad he's retiring on this note. He seems so solid and rational, I'm sure he will be very missed in his office.

[Saffron]

I hope she goes to Europe. They don't tolerate theft and debt like we do. :elefant:

[biteme]

Tim Miller said on HLN a distant relative of Casey's has offered her to come live with them in Houston, TX. What the hell are they thinking!
They too want to be able to write a book/interview and collect on this, you know when moneys involved distant relatives become your best friends

[Sour Scream]

I watched Jeff Ashton this morning before heading to airport and he has heard and I heard this on couple other places too that shes most likely moving to Europe
but even there they know who she is
I have tuned out anything to do with her since lastnight
I just saw him this morning and wanted to see what he had to say after he had a night to ponder it
I watched Nancy Grace lose it on nightline lastnight lol after Terry Morand asked if it was "ethical" to jump on a case for 3 years and tear it apart especially so soon after Trenton Duckett fiasco

I would love to see Casey do an interview with Nancy Grace, then go wherever, and pull a Melinda Duckett. Do the fucking world a huge favor!

[witzah]

http://i51.tinypic.com/dgtor6.jpg
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvspy/casey-anthony-defense-attorney-flips-off-media-following-verdict_b13989
(http://www.mediabistro.com/tvspy/casey-anthony-defense-attorney-flips-off-media-following-verdict_b13989)
This pic just made me twice as mad when I seen it. Even though the defense won their case there is still a beautiful little girl dead.

Where did they even dig this guy up from any way?


Yeah, telling us all to fuck off surely signals that you just secured a just verdict. Nice.

[Elfearsandvampireteeth]

Thedirty.com has a pic & name of one of the jurors(& it's NOT the TMZ guy).


I said yesterday the jurors will talk....for money! That's why they all refused the post trial press conference.
Personally I'm not surprised but it is disgusting. I was mistaken when I said I wanted to hear what they had to say...FUCK THEM!!
See how many of them try parlay their position as a juror into "celebrity".
Justice wasn't served end of.I can 't go on anymore with this case.Too emotional & I'm fucking powerless........

[Whisper]

I was listening to a show in the truck earlier and they were saying how tasteless the defense team was high fiving each other and carrying on
Seem to forget that a baby was dead ,very tasteless classless bunch of people and maybe thats why they all got along b/c the whole lot of them were scumballs and they all stuck together to defend the bottom of the barrel scum nobody in their right mind will ever want except to use her to profit from it

[Pennie]

Thedirty.com has a pic & name of one of the jurors(& it's NOT the TMZ guy).


I said yesterday the jurors will talk....for money! That's why they all refused the post trial press conference.
Personally I'm not surprised but it is disgusting. I was mistaken when I said I wanted to hear what they had to say...FUCK THEM!!
See how many of them try parlay their position as a juror into "celebrity".
Justice wasn't served end of.I can 't go on anymore with this case.Too emotional & I'm fucking powerless........

Someone sold this picture of a juror to this rag. They will all regret NOT having talked to the media right after. People are pissed. I see the alternate does not even have his FB friends private. These people really are fucking clueless.

[Whisper]

sorry if already posted I just saw it


Casey Anthony Subpoenaed In Defamation Suit
Woman With Same Name As Fake Nanny Suing For DamagesRead more: http://www.wtae.com/news/28461477/detail.html#ixzz1RMCbVDy2

http://www.wtae.com/r/28461477/detail.html

[solange82200]

I didnt really realize how big this is. I just went upstairs at work to get IT to change something on my laptop, and there were some guys there in another department that I really dont know, and they started showing each other pictures on their phones. I thought maybe it was of a hot girl or their girlfriends or something, then one of them out of the blue leaned over to show it to me. It was one of the new pics floating around of Casey and Oj in a picture together. He then proceeded to tell me exactly what everyone here has said : What the hell were they thinking? WHo killled this baby? The other guy then said he had been receiving pictures like that all day, they were going around. I HAVE NOT MET A SINGLE FUCKING PERSON IN REAL LIFE THAT DOESNT AGREE THAT THIS WAS A MISCARRIAGE. Yet I get online and I see the random people popping up every couple of posts defending the jury and dissing the prosecutors, and I wonder who these people are in real life. Because there is not a single man or woman at my job or my facebook friends (most of whom i know in real life or have hung out with in real life or went to school with) who thinks this isnt the craziest shit on earth. Im sorry, but I have to wonder about the intelligence of the jurors and the minority of people who seem to agree with them

[totallytoddler]

WTF would she do in EUROPE?????? And WHO would she do it WITH? These have GOT to be just rumors. And why would Jeff Ashton know where she would go? Shes not even free yet.
I believe nothing I hear anymore..... I mean....I heard she was found NOT guilty sooooooooooooooooo

[Ninja0980]

IMO, the jurors would be fools to show their faces at this point. They don't have the benefit of being viewed as heros like some were with the OJ verdict.
Everyone believes they let a child killer walk. to make their names and faces available for people to lash out at would be insane.

[Rhoni]

I have so much to say and dont even know where to begin. I spent most of yesterday bawling my eyes out and talking to friends on the phone. People I havent talked to in ages called to see if I was ok. That was so thoughtful of them. The truth is I am NOT ok. I am not ok with any of this. I feel the Jury rushed this decision and or talked about it before they were suppose to and that is wrong. I believe common sense was completely forgotton. I guess its true common sense isnt so common..I am NOT ok with Caylee not getting Justice. I am not ok with casey in the future making money off this.. I am NOT ok!

Today I woke up and cried before getting out of bed. I had hoped it was all a nightmare that I would wake up from. I am just now starting to get angry about it all.I have signed Patitions and written letters and that is just a beginning. I hate the thought that casey is indeed going to get her Bella Vita if even for a short time. I know God will Judge her in the end but that is NOT good enough for me. I need more. Caylee deserves more..

If a Trial is about the search for truth and Justice why is a Defense team allowed to lie make up stories and throw shit against the wall to see what sticks? There is no truth and Justice in that.. If the burdon of proof is on the State why is the Defense allowed to try to doscount the States case with made up shit and lies? How is that anything near Justice? How can one be told they cant convict if it wansnt proven with reasonable doubt if the defense is allowed to plant FALSE reasonable doubt? How is that Justice? It isnt it is a travisty ...

I have a lot more to say but I dont want to bore all of you. I do want to say thank you for being here the last 3 years for Caylee and for each other. I am honored to know all of you and Caylee knows how loved she is I have to believe that..

Oh one last thing for now..Fuck you Mason Fuck you casey and the rest of the Defense team. I could see celebrating your win but the fact that you chose to do it where you did and how you did shows your true character.. No matter the verdict a child is still dead and not only is she dead but someone (your client) cared so little for her that they let her rot away in a fucking swamp I hope you all burn in hell. After getting hit by a bus


our own Madmama Jeanne made a Caylees LAw Fb page..Please come and join

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_224513550922101&ap=1

[Rhoni]

I didnt really realize how big this is. I just went upstairs at work to get IT to change something on my laptop, and there were some guys there in another department that I really dont know, and they started showing each other pictures on their phones. I thought maybe it was of a hot girl or their girlfriends or something, then one of them out of the blue leaned over to show it to me. It was one of the new pics floating around of Casey and Oj in a picture together. He then proceeded to tell me exactly what everyone here has said : What the hell were they thinking? WHo killled this baby? The other guy then said he had been receiving pictures like that all day, they were going around. I HAVE NOT MET A SINGLE FUCKING PERSON IN REAL LIFE THAT DOESNT AGREE THAT THIS WAS A MISCARRIAGE. Yet I get online and I see the random people popping up every couple of posts defending the jury and dissing the prosecutors, and I wonder who these people are in real life. Because there is not a single man or woman at my job or my facebook friends (most of whom i know in real life or have hung out with in real life or went to school with) who thinks this isnt the craziest shit on earth. Im sorry, but I have to wonder about the intelligence of the jurors and the minority of people who seem to agree with them

One of my best friends called me today. She only knows the case from what I have told her. She was gartending yesterday and when her and the other employees heard the verdict she said everyones habds went to their mouths in an effort to silence the screems of rage. The customers were all in shock. How can it be that all these people even ones who didnt really follow the case think this but the Jury is right? The Jury wasnt right.They didnt take the time to decide imo... I have never in my life seen such a miscarriage of Justice. The OJ trail doesnt even compare IMO I knew he would be found not guilty simply because he was an American Icon ... I am disgusted and saddened by this

[Pennie]

Number 3 speaks.
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=14005609

[Pete Bondurant]

Isn't there some other dead kid that you people can obsess over now?

[Ladyeridan]

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/user_photos/1216904/a3b366271fdee1f442eadf182d9b8ba3_original.jpg?2d69 af08

[darkthnker]

http://www.andrewdstine.com/blog-78/post-361-can-a-judge-overturn-a-jury-verdict.aspx

Maybe Judge Perry is thinking about this. I hope so. I hope he can find something.

[darkthnker]

Isn't there some other dead kid that you people can obsess over now?

We're not done with this one yet.

[Pennie]

I cant get over that they do not think she is innocent but did not find her guilty.

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=14005609

Unreal.

[Rockin Ma]

Someone posted on my fb, but I deleted it "I'm sorry, but she wasn't really out partying, the prosecution just said that and made it look like that. Those pictures weren't taken while her daughter was missing. She wasn't guilty, they just lied and blamed it on her (the State)

[Silvahalo]

This may have already been addressed, but, I get how the jurors would take issue with a guilty and death sentence combo, even the LWOP. but how the fuck is it that they didn't find her guilty as sin for a lesser charge, aggravated child abuse or aggravated manslaughter? at the least there is enough to show neglect with the 31 days of bullshit and lies as she partied her skank ass off as her baby lay rotting....did not report, fuckin' hell if that isn't neglect.
SO they said she didn't kill baby Caylee, well I'm waiting for the law to answer who the fuck did. yeah, can't do that now can you as we ALL know the bitch did it. As many crazies we read on that go off their nut and kill, maybe KC will not be so lucky as she starts her "bella vita". Some nut might take her out. Besides, things aren't so beautiful when thousands of people think you're a shit-trash-slut baby killer. I also believe firmly the bitch will fuck up in another way,back in the slammer.
Her stench will never come clean.

[Silvahalo]

Wanted to add, for all of you who stood by this case all these years, tirelessly picking through the heart of the matter. I'm in awe and give my deepest gratitude. It must be the hardest on you folks who have waited eagerly to see little Caylee delivered justice and not see her get it, must way heavy on you.
Hugs and thank you for being a vigilant source of information, passion and commitment.
http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s341/silvahalo68/33vhzcw.jpg
http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s341/silvahalo68/hugflowerssongcf2.gif

[Rockin Ma]

You are right Solange. My b/f has 99% custody of MY phone he just told me a guy sent him a picture of her with a cigar... someone's avatar here and he texted him back "don't send me shit like that. You will get me killed"

[totallytoddler]

I cant get over that they do not think she is innocent but did not find her guilty.

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=14005609

Unreal.
Oh boo hoo if their decision made them so fucking sick then they should have taken some more time to RETHINK their decision!
Fucking idiots. Sorry... I don't have to respect them.
So they think they didn't prove murder or even HOW she died....thats where the aggravated child abuse and manslaughter charges should have come in.
There was no justice for Caylee.
All we can hope is that the judge sentences her consecutively...and she serves out the remainder. Cuz...I think that bitch thinks she is walking free tomorrow.

Anyone want to take a vote?

[Whisper]

I honestly thought that pic of dickhead mason was photoshopped at first
But it was taken during their celebration with champagne and hooting and hollering you can watch the bull shit video here


http://www.insideedition.com/

[Rockin Ma]

Hirsch -- who reached out to Anthony's lawyer yesterday in the hopes of landing a deal -- has now reversed course ... telling TMZ, "It has become obvious to us that Vivid fans, and people in general, want nothing to do with her and that includes a XXX movie."

Hirsch explains, "We were ready to make an offer to Casey to star in one of our feature films. It's clear to me now, however, that there has been an overwhelmingly negative response to our offer and so we've decided to withdraw it."

He adds, "We now believe that we underestimated the emotional response that people are having to the verdict. A movie starring Casey Anthony is not what people want to see."

http://www.tmz.com/2011/07/06/casey-anthony-steve-hirsch-porn-offer-vivid-entertainment-terminate-withdraws-offer-take-back-no-more-murder-suspect-adult-film-xxx-naked-nude/

[solange82200]

Wow. they are saying on HLN that juror number 3 said "if you dont even know the crime how can you decide the punishment". they are saying she should not be even thinking about punishment, that is against the rules. i bet we will find all kinds of rules were broken with these fools. you are now going to be the most hated people in this country, congratulations. i would spit in your fucking face if i could

[Saffron]

I tried to rep you Rockin Ma for the best news I've had in 36 hours but it says I have to spread it around.

[Whisper]

Special Nightline tonight at 10 is Barbra Walters and Bozo Blow Job

[sintax]

JVM has unconfirmed reports that Cindy and Casey are going to head to Cindy's cousin in Texas.I hope so. Then, the next time CockMarie fucks up, Texas will kill her. Sounds like GeorgeMarie will be left in the dust. Surprise, surprise!!!!!

[Rockin Ma]

Please tell me Jeff Ashton didn't retire for fame?

I will have to see the interviews, but I typed it in and he's been all over already!

[solange82200]

Oh god please let that be true! Take her, please Texas! Florida will thank you from the bottom of our fucking retarded hearts

[everhopeful]

Thanks for that link to Jennifer Ford's statement about how upset it made them to set a murderer free, Pennie. I especially liked this part of the statement: "If you cannot prove what the crime was, you cannot determine what the punishment should be."

The crime was murder. How it happened was just the vehicle. That baby did not just die of natural causes- she had help, and an innocent person doesn't wait a month before telling the authorities. They don't make up a kidnapping story if it was an accident. Also, the jurors determined that the punishment was absolutely nothing. How can they honestly think that their inaction was the proper course to take? Their verdict of "not guilty" was just as much determining the punishment as a "guilty" verdict would have been.

If a relative/loved one of mine had been on the jury, we would now be permanently estranged.

[Rockin Ma]

JVM has unconfirmed reports that Cindy and Casey are going to head to Cindy's cousin in Texas.I hope so. Then, the next time CockMarie fucks up, Texas will kill her. Sounds like GeorgeMarie will be left in the dust. Surprise, surprise!!!!!

I don't believe it. They are just fucking with the media.

[solange82200]

Did anyone catch the In Session thing with Jeff???? I missed it, what did he say?

[solange82200]

Please tell me Jeff Ashton didn't retire for fame?

I will have to see the interviews, but I typed it in and he's been all over already!

No, he held off his retirement to finish this case. I am glad he is doing interviews, I want to hear from them for once and not just the duhfense

[Rockin Ma]

I'm glad he's doing interviews. I hear there is one where he talks about the fight the night before and why it didn't come in.

http://www.wesh.com/r/28460647/detail.html

[Rockin Ma]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWX7iDPY3Mc

,

[TheMeaningOfItAll]

Texas Equusearch is considering suing Casey. Sorry if that is old news. I've been trying to get on for days and couldn't. I'm just disgusted over this verdict. Only in Florida. Oh, and by the way. FUCK YOU TOO, CHENEY!!!!!!!!


*Rockin beat me to it!

[sintax]

Now George and Cindy's attorney is on JVM saying that Casey may live with Cheney Mason for awhile. This is unbelievable.

Are you sure this isn't the Twilight Zone?

[ck819]

Did anyone hear what Marcia Clark said regarding the jury?? It was after they heard about the juror talking for a price (TMZ). Basically it was because everyone was expecting a "guilty" verdict that now they can sell their stories for a lot more because now everyone wants to know why! They can make more money from a not guilty verdict than a guilty verdict in this case! Not saying that's the reason but what if that was part of it??? Scumbags!!

[Rockin Ma]

http://krbe.com/portals/1/audio/rrshow/interviews/070611_CASEYANTHONY_familymember.mp3

Listen. It's a family member in TX for sindy's side. And they are putting it all on GEORGE!

Not buying or reading the book

[pissedoffindaytona]

Ha, Hubby is coming up with movie ideas for the Casey story, Many diff endings, My favorite is when Cindy and Casey go on with thier lives and George is just hating life and goes after Casey and Cindy and murders them in a very horrible way, what does he have to lose?, he gave up...I love horror flicks and I Hate Casey Anthony

[TheMeaningOfItAll]

http://krbe.com/portals/1/audio/rrshow/interviews/070611_CASEYANTHONY_familymember.mp3

Listen. It's a family member in TX for sindy's side. And they are putting it all on GEORGE!

Not buying or reading the book

A-motherfucking-men!

[princessgrandma]

That juror number 3 crap pissed me right off. If you didn't think she was innocent, then dammit, find her guilty of one of the lesser charges. Don't just let her walk on 4 misdemeanors. Shit!! How stupid can you get??

Casey's living with Cheney Mason might not sit too well with his wife if his house is vandalized or egged or he starts getting hate mail addressed to her. I think grand plans will go right out the window. And she's not going to Europe. Who the hell is she going to steal from or lie to in Europe? I hope Cheney's locking up the valuables.

Oh, and new mantra...........FUCK YOU TOO, CHENEY MASON!!!!


**ETA: I'm glad to see that Tim Miller might sue her ass. TES put a lot of money and time into a search for a child who was "never missing."

[TheMeaningOfItAll]

Now Cindy and Casey can get an RV and become Cookie and Muffin BFFs and travel the world...until they land somewhere no one would miss Cindy and she suddenly "disappears". Texas here they come after Casey sucks Cheney's cock like she promised if he got her off.

[Momzilla]

I can't even believe we are all here on a thread with that title-- I was so devastated yesterday, I shut off the computer, avoided the news channels, and sulked.

I didn't even want to come back on here because I felt like there was nothing left to say- it's over, Casey won, we all lost---I wondered, would the thread end, would everyone move onto something else, should I move onto something else?


But then I thought about what really matters in all of this--Caylee. So I came back, and I'm so glad to see everyone else did too! And I hope we can keep a thread going for Caylee and her memory- It's the only justice that we can give her.

[Whisper]

According to lawyer Ashleigh Banfield and the judge that put O.J behind bars finally(forget the name)
they believe the judge may have her serve out the last year for all the hate to die down!!
I dont think its going to matter what day she is released the hates going to be red hot
K im off the suns finally gone down and made it tolerable so I am going to take the baby out for a walk now that we can breathe

[witzah]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/07/casey-anthony-porn-company-rescinds-offer-to-her.html



Interesting note.....porn company revokes its offer for KC to star in their porno....based on public reaction they want nothing to do with her. I read People magazine refuses to pay her for any interviews and I think now that as reaction continues it may get harder for her to find legitimate outlets to sell her shit. Back to stealing? If its in Texas, would it be three strikes she's out then?

[solange82200]

There was a text alert saying that state of florida is suing cockmarie to recover some costs associated with the prosecution, i cant find much about it, but hoping its true!

[pissedoffindaytona]

http://krbe.com/portals/1/audio/rrshow/interviews/070611_CASEYANTHONY_familymember.mp3

Listen. It's a family member in TX for sindy's side. And they are putting it all on GEORGE!

Not buying or reading the book

You know I'm thinking this whole thing has been orchestrated from the beginning, I always thought Cindy, George & Lee knew something from the beginning. They are all LIARS and proved that, that is one of the reasons this went south, other than the jury had no understanding of the law and commen sense. No... not buying anything either, I've already invested too much time on this

[Pennie]

Judge Strikland (sp?) on Nancy Grace for those who want to hear what he has to say.

[Momzilla]

Not for nothing, but all of these media outlets who are announcing that they will not make any deals with Casey.....they're (mostly) all full of shit--it's easy for alot of these smaller news shows to talk big- because they know they won't be able to afford her interview anyway!

Just wait until she starts shopping around her '1st exclusive interview' - They'll all be waiting in line, why would they pass on such a big story--just because we all hate her? I seriously doubt it. I can say for myself, I will NOT watch, buy or read ANYTHING that will profit that baby killer--I hearby swear in front of God and D'D!!!

[Harley_Tech]

I don't know. Probably. She can't vote, though. Big deal, right?

that is not true. I vote.

R

[Momzilla]

Judge Strickland said our ONLY hope is if Judge Perry finds that there was 'Fraud amongst the jury'. God, I really hope that's a possibility--I'm not sure of what that would entail.

[totallytoddler]

I am hoping she gets more time than we are thinking. She got "time served" for the check charges, so technically they can subtract THAT time off ...and tack it onto the false info to LE charges.
Who knows.
But there are fucking mounted police on fucking Suburban drive....like ALOT of them. WTF?
Why does everyone think she is just gonna walk? JP has GOT to make her serve more. I just have to believe that to fucking sleep tonight.
Seriously.

[Pennie]

Judge Strickland said our ONLY hope is if Judge Perry finds that there was 'Fraud amongst the jury'. God, I really hope that's a possibility--I'm not sure of what that would entail.

I have no idea but if fraud is there it will be found out. I'm sure of it.

[pissedoffindaytona]

Can you see her?.. Major Victim Attitude, WTF is taking so long??? LET ME OUT NOW!!!!!
Karma will get her ass, all of them
I don't understand why no child endagerment/child abuse at the least...

[Momzilla]

I'm really torn between hoping she will serve the extra year and hoping she will walk out of jail tomorrow--ONLY because I'm banking on the fact that SO many people are SO homicidal about this right now---we might have a better shot at some vigilante justice if she gets out now, while emotions are so high-- rather than in a year from now when people have a new monster to hate. What's the lessor of 2 evils in this case?

[Rockin Ma]

That's what I was trying to communicate yesterday


Did the "CSI" effect have an influence on the verdict in the Casey Anthony trial?
Programs such as "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation," in which forensics play a key role in solving crimes in 60 minutes or less, are thought by many prosecutors and legal analysts to create unreasonable expectations for jurors deciding fates in the real world. Jurors, for the most part, have no legal training or real-life experience with the criminal justice system. They are without any frame of reference for how trials operate beyond what they see on television
Prosecutors have long argued that the "CSI" effect is real and creates unreasonable expectations in the minds of jurors. They maintain that the standards for obtaining a conviction these days have been raised because jurors now expect and want scientific evidence linking the defendant to the crime, especially in a circumstantial case.
To combat this problem, many prosecutors try to lower the bar during jury selection by telling potential jurors not to expect what they see on television to be played out in the courtroom.
In addition, some prosecutors present forensic evidence that neither proves nor refutes the defendant's guilt but is intended to demonstrate to the jury the thoroughness of the prosecutor's investigation. Other prosecutors use so-called "negative evidence" such as the testimony of experts to assure jurors that it is not abnormal for crime scene investigators to fail to find certain types of evidence. Finally, a few prosecutors seek help from the court by way of jury instructions.
Here is a sample of the instructions given by a judge to jurors in Ohio:
The effort to exclude misleading-outside-influence- information also puts a limit on getting legal information from television entertainment. This would apply to popular TV shows such as "Law & Order," "Boston Legal," "Judge Judy," older shows like "L.A. Law," "Perry Mason," or "Matlock," and any other fictional show dealing with the legal system. In addition, this would apply to shows such as "CSI" and "NCIS," which present the use of scientific procedures to resolve criminal investigations. These and other similar shows may leave you with an improper preconceived idea about the legal system. As far as this case is concerned, you are not prohibited from watching such shows. However, there are many reasons why you cannot rely on TV legal programs ...
Without talking to the Casey Anthony jurors directly, we can't know for sure what led them to their decision to acquit. But in a trial held in the crime-TV saturated culture of 2011, there is a strong possibility that the "CSI" effect was a factor.
There were arguably several instances during the trial where the lack of forensic evidence could have led the jury to have reasonable doubt about the prosecution's case.
First, the prosecution was unable to determine how 2-year-old Caylee Anthony died. Jurors understand when a body is missing but have difficulty accepting that science is unable to determine the cause of death.
Second, Casey Anthony's DNA was not on the duct tape that prosecutors said was used to suffocate Caylee Anthony. Many jurors consider DNA to be the gold standard of evidence, and when it is not present, questions arise.
Third, no evidence placed Casey Anthony where her daughter's body was ultimately discovered. Jurors wanted to know why the defendant, with today's scientific advancements, could not be placed at the scene of the crime.
In sum, this case was built on circumstantial evidence in which there was no forensic evidence directly linking Casey Anthony to her daughter's death.
These illustrations are by no means an indictment of the prosecutorial team. Quite the contrary, most believe that they performed well.
This was a "dry bones" case, and prosecutors can only present the evidence they possess. These examples are merely an attempt to deconstruct a verdict that many of the Americans following the case seemed to disagree with and to show how the "CSI" effect might have influenced the Casey Anthony trial.
Cases like this one join a long list of others that leave citizens puzzled as to how a guilty verdict wasn't reached.
It leaves scholars theorizing about possible changes to reach fairer verdicts and legislators looking for changes to ensure "common sense" results. But the reality is that while the system isn't perfect, it is more often than not fair, based on standards that don't change depending on whether we dislike a defendant and feel that she or he should be adjudged as guilty.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/07/06/hoffmeister.anthony.jury/

[redsaid]

I have no idea but if fraud is there it will be found out. I'm sure of it.

Oh Please - please puh LEASE!"?!?

[Rockin Ma]

Oh Please - please puh LEASE!"?!?

I want a do over!

But now there is no hope of finding an impartial jury.

[darkthnker]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-01-25/news/os-casey-anthony-check-hearing-20100125_1_george-and-cindy-anthony-check-fraud-charges-plead

The date of this article is January 2010. She got time served for the check charges. I think new time should have begun then. So she really has only 1.5 years in the bank. Also Judge Strickland did not rule on 7 check charges. Maybe Judge Perry can add these in now.

[totallytoddler]

WOW..my 6 yr old son just came in the room and said this:
"Mommy they said Casey Anthony might get another baby, I hope they don't give her one because she will kill that one too"
Wow...I should REALLY shut my TV off.

[totallytoddler]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-01-25/news/os-casey-anthony-check-hearing-20100125_1_george-and-cindy-anthony-check-fraud-charges-plead

The date of this article is January 2010. She got time served for the check charges. I think new time should have begun then. So she really has only 1.5 years in the bank. Also Judge Strickland did not rule on 7 check charges. Maybe Judge Perry can add these in now.
Exactly...thanks for looking up the date of that. I hope like hell she gets every last minute under the law in jail.
GENERAL POPULATION!!!!!!!!!!

[pissedoffindaytona]

Oh and I believe she will make money in the beginning of her Bella Vita, but she will end up like Octomom, no freaking big $ deals, trying to buy friends and protectors, Like I said I believe karma will get her in the end..In fact I will, as many others put that in our daily hopes.

[darkthnker]

I want a do over!

But now there is no hope of finding an impartial jury.

I'm impartial. Really.

[Rockin Ma]

I saw somewhere else a posting where people are upset wondering if the jury was paid off... I don't think so but it did make me say to myself hmmmm. They refused a group interview to answer us right away, but while we want answers they hold out... doing interviews for money.

Everyone profiting off of Caylee.

[princessgrandma]

There HAS to be fraud. If the alternate pretty much knew the way it was going to go, they were discussing it before they went into deliberations, the way I see it. Then again, I believe that jury was bought and paid for. The worst mistake in the world was bringing a jury from another county back to Orlando for this trial. Nothing will make me not believe that.

[62julietandvoid]

I think the jury did do it for the money, so agree rockin ma

[Rockin Ma]

Exactly...thanks for looking up the date of that. I hope like hell she gets every last minute under the law in jail.
GENERAL POPULATION!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think they will put her in GP even if she gets that 5 more months or whatever.

But just thinking about her taking her bedding roll to a dorm noisy full of people makes me feel good.

Until she gets to a group where they are more happy she beat the law, than concerned she killed a baby.

I have no hope. I can't see anything that will make me happy with this situation.

[totallytoddler]

I saw somewhere else a posting where people are upset wondering if the jury was paid off... I don't think so but it did make me say to myself hmmmm. They refused a group interview to answer us right away, but while we want answers they hold out... doing interviews for money.

Everyone profiting off of Caylee.
#3 said they were all crying and too upset to give interviews (LOL). And funny, ALTERNATE juror says "I can speak for all 17 of us when I say...blah blah blah,.,..." Whatever he said.......UM...how the fuck can you speak FOR any of them when you were NOT allowed to speak TO any of them???????????????
There is something funky going on here.
I don't know about a pay off...from who? And how?

[pissedoffindaytona]

#3 said they were all crying and too upset to give interviews (LOL). And funny, ALTERNATE juror says "I can speak for all 17 of us when I say...blah blah blah,.,..." Whatever he said.......UM...how the fuck can you speak FOR any of them when you were NOT allowed to speak TO any of them???????????????
There is something funky going on here.
I don't know about a pay off...from who? And how?

I just remembered the media was saying they were dressed from the start in decision clothing, seems like they didn't have to spend too much time on this, they held the rules given to them verbatim!! Fuck I hope they find something wrong in this..

[totallytoddler]

I just remembered the media was saying they were dressed from the start in decision clothing, seems like they didn't have to spend too much time on this, they held the rules given to them verbatim!! Fuck I hope they find something wrong in this..
Yea..they said they were dressed up that very first day too! When they heard the last of the rebuttal closings.
Interesting! They had to have been talking to each other.

[Rockin Ma]

Wouldn't that be a bitch if she got out... only for there to be juror misconduct and get called back for a new trial. I always thought her best bet would've been opting for a three judge panel... but on a retry I feel sorta better about it.

[Pennie]

Mr Ashton on Dr Drew.

[Silvahalo]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/07/casey-anthony-porn-company-rescinds-offer-to-her.html

Interesting note.....porn company revokes its offer for KC to star in their porno....based on public reaction they want nothing to do with her. I read People magazine refuses to pay her for any interviews and I think now that as reaction continues it may get harder for her to find legitimate outlets to sell her shit. Back to stealing? If its in Texas, would it be three strikes she's out then?really?
LMAO even the porn industry is saying her poke-hoe is too skanky, reeking of shit....i know it's all about the money, but damn, got to LOVE it. IF this had been tried in Texas, we would have taken this bitch down for the baby killing whore she is.

[totallytoddler]

Can someone please tell me why I can't walk the fuck away from this? I seriously keep shutting down...only to bring it right back up. I am just truly OUTRAGED.
I don't even know if I am looking forward to the sentencing...how much more disappointment can we take?
Im so sorry Caylee that your killer will be set free.....but don't worry....when she dies she is going to hell ...so she can never hurt you again.
Ok...really...I need to walk away from this tonight.
I am becoming a fucking nutcase.

[Ladyeridan]

http://static.regretsy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/tumblr_lnxg7q66Ey1qz9bwro1_500.jpg

PLEASE click that link. I am CRYIN laughing.

[Rockin Ma]

Can someone please tell me why I can't walk the fuck away from this? I seriously keep shutting down...only to bring it right back up. I am just truly OUTRAGED.
I don't even know if I am looking forward to the sentencing...how much more disappointment can we take?
Im so sorry Caylee that your killer will be set free.....but don't worry....when she dies she is going to hell ...so she can never hurt you again.
Ok...really...I need to walk away from this tonight.
I am becoming a fucking nutcase.

I know TT last night I was in shock. Today I think there's something seriously wrong with me. I can not fucking take it. I say I want to never think of it again, and then I find myself researching every way to find a way to bring this back to court and get her justice. Then I think about going to Florida. I've never been in serious trouble as an adult, I can get away with a little something at least a good assault on her...

[KyFyre]

Something that is nagging at me since hearing what Juror #3 has been quoted as saying.. when she said ‘’I did not say she was innocent,” said Ford, who was juror No. 3. “I just said there was not enough evidence. If you cannot prove what the crime was, you cannot determine what the punishment should be.” were they not suppose to only be deliberating on her guilt/innocence rather than discussing punishments as they never even made it to a penalty phase? Could that be considered as misconduct? If it is can the judge decide to declare it a mistrial and start over?

Got that quote from: http://www.toledoblade.com/news/2011/07/06/Casey-Anthony-juror-breaks-silence.html

[Whisper]

I wanna know what happened between Monday night and Tuesday
they came in all dressed up and dolled up as news reports put it,
thinking they will have to meet the press afterwards
And didnt look at her which according to experts that a big red flag

I heard on news while i was making dinner that there was almost a verdict monday
So what happened between Mon and Tues ??
Also I cant remember ,,is this a majority vote to convict or not convict??
B/c if its not a unanimous vote then you may see the ones that wanted to vote guilty to come out down th road talking?>?
Just a guess

[solange82200]

Something that is nagging at me since hearing what Juror #3 has been quoted as saying.. when she said ‘’I did not say she was innocent,” said Ford, who was juror No. 3. “I just said there was not enough evidence. If you cannot prove what the crime was, you cannot determine what the punishment should be.” were they not suppose to only be deliberating on her guilt/innocence rather than discussing punishments as they never even made it to a penalty phase? Could that be considered as misconduct? If it is can the judge decide to declare it a mistrial and start over?

Got that quote from: http://www.toledoblade.com/news/2011/07/06/Casey-Anthony-juror-breaks-silence.html

You are smart you got that on your own. They mentioned it on the show before JVM and the Judge from Miami that is on there said it was definitely troubling, and they should not have even considered it. Im sure many will be questioning

[Whisper]

k i just googled it and its unanimous decision in dp cases