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alizardsbet
June 14th, 2007, 01:26 AM
The pros of global warming

Never thought about that, have we?

*** Central Canada, Siberia, and even parts of Greenland will gain more living space and will retain a climate similar to New England.
*** The polar ice caps melting will reduce 100s miles off on shipping routes, reducing risks and costs of product imports and exports.
*** The growing season will be longer, and general plant life will prosper with the increase of carbon dioxide.
*** So we loose some coastline. Goodbye Miami and California. How is this a bad thing?

! Another vote for Globalization right here!!!

“One essential piece of information is the comparative valuation attached to retaining industrial civilization versus avoiding global warming. If one values the benefits provided by industrial civilization above the avoidance of the losses alleged to result from global warming, it follows that nothing should be done to stop global warming that destroys or undermines industrial civilization. That is, it follows that global warming should simply be accepted as a byproduct of economic progress and that life should go on as normal in the face of it.”

The negative pretenses that the evil environmentalist promote

-Having a skewed sense of propriety do not value industrialized society full of capitalists that are perfectly capable of “consuming these small facts” and thus being relatively rational creatures are able to formulate a plan that would allow them to take the correct actions necessary in subverting any inconvenience this might cause in the not so near future.

-Atomic power is even more blasphemous to the purest values of the environmentalist, even though it does not emit any despicable green house gases. This can not to any cynic-minded-anti-industry person be a consideration for an alternative energy source.

-Their only method of relieving the potential disaster raising its ugly head on an unseen horizon is to place restrictions on emissions that would directly impact our ability to produce reliable energy sources, and so would cripple the industrialized societies. Given that downward spiral and divide that by the obvious increase of the human population in years to come the end result = “reduction of man made power available per capita.”

-Naturally this would cause some festering unrest among world stage key players. As I am sure you have concluded there would be those that wouldn’t comply. Renegades would continue to expel alarming amounts of CO2, methane, and nitrous oxide. So the good guys would naturally have to go to even greater links in controlling the expulsion of toxic levels of green house gases. If this doesn’t trigger a world war, then it would cripple the modern societies to a stone throw from well… the stone age.

“All of the rising clamor for energy caps is an invitation to the American people to put themselves in chains. It is an attempt to lure them along a path thousands of times more deadly than any military misadventure, and one from which escape might be impossible.”

http://www.outlawjournalism.com/news/?p=5707

Anyway I don’t like the idea too much of what this article suggests we do as one possible way of controlling the temperature of the planet with nuclear missiles being detonated to create a controlled nuclear winter. There would be a reversal after a point of the water being a natural coolant, like how we sweat, and the small fact it is reflective and would bounce excess heat/light/energy away from the planet. So in a sense the polar ice caps melting would correct the initial effect. The problem that this article kinda neglects is the fact that with that reduction in temperature, the given rate of human sprawl plants might become scared. And you know what that means right… No oxygen.

However as I think this is a topic that is only going to get really resolved through discussion and concerted efforts to fix the problem. I throw it out there.

swivel
June 14th, 2007, 01:55 PM
Great post. My response to people complaining about global warming is always very similar to what you are talking about. I ask them, "Are you 100% certain that global warming is a bad thing?".

I would be more worried if we saw a global cooling trend. Can you imagine if we lived during a time of an impending ice-age? I know they take tens of thousands of years to completely ramp up, but what if we were several thousand years in that process, and we were watching glaciers form and creep south? I think there would be mass hysteria! People would be flocking southward and scientists would be wondering if there was any way to artificially stop the cooling. If glaciers marched south, like the ones that carved the great lakes, they would simply push over everything in their path. Everything. No wall could withstand such force. Entire cities would be carved right out of the Earth. Trillions and trillions of dollars in destroyed infrastructure. A billion people homeless.

On the other hand, we have the threat of rising sea levels. The Dutch have already demonstrated the efficacy of holding back the sea, so I don't think we would lose any major cities at all. Not every city would be able to afford this protection, and some would be re-located as Chinese villages were recently, but compare this to what glaciers did to North America not too long ago.

The environment does not stand still. It never has, and we are foolish to expect stasis out of it now. So, if it has to be changing, we should thank the fucking gods that it is going in the correct direction. The anti-global-warming movement is anti-capitalism in disguise. People don't want to be told, "Don't shop", so they have to fool people with stories about whales, dolphins, rainforests, oil-spills, spotted owls, and global warming. Search deep for their real agenda and don't let these spineless hypocrites fool you.

Countess Olenska
October 14th, 2008, 11:08 PM
Cough Cough...

Just curious how many tree huggers we have here. Global warming is cyclic. It HAS to happen.

Are you trying to stop it and what do you think you'll accomplish by doing so?

Edit to add: Alright jackasses....Let me just say that I don't even use fucking bleach and I recycle (which will probably get me flamed). I'm just not naive enough to believe that global warming is something we can control completely. Have we helped speed up the process, definitely, but we can't stop it.

Athena
October 15th, 2008, 11:52 AM
This thread is awesome. =P

Living in a painfully liberal city like Seattle, I'm sure you can imagine that global warming is a big topic around here. We've got so many "green" initiatives that the forest is going to say "fuck it" and just start reclaiming land by force any day now. But instead of grabbing a chainsaw and fighting back, Seattleites will stand around in awe, as many of us are willful slaves to the environment.

Of course, when anyone asks me about my concern for global warming, my standard response is, "Haven't you noticed? Global warming is doing quite well by Seattle." It's true, too. Seattle's a hilly city - a real bitch to drive in when it snows. Growing up, it was not uncommon for us to get a couple good snows a year (by "good snows" I mean 6"+). It was enough to shut the city down. Those days are long gone, however, and I can't recall ever getting more than three inches in the city in several years, and even that is quite rare. No longer do I have to save a few vacation days for the possibility that snow should foil my commute.

Like most people around here, I use my reusable bags, recycle and "conserve" like a good citizen, obediantly dragging my huge blue recycling bin to the street to fall in line with the rest (both garbage and recycling cans here are supplied by Waste Management, so it looks kind of creepy and Stepford Wifey on trash days, with identical recepticles in front of every home, neatly lining the streets). But, for me, it's all for the sake of conformance in a city where compost heaps can be status symbols. I say, let the waters rise. I'm on a hill.

CPL CHUD
October 15th, 2008, 12:01 PM
I can't find fault in attempting to cease from artificially speeding up the natural process of change. I just think the extremity and empty minded, herd mentality of some "green" pushers is off putting. They act like changes in the environment are some conspiracy plot. I'll do my part not to excessively pollute, but I refuse to join into the historical ignorance that some people perpetuate by yearning for a "static" climate.

Gilbrit
October 15th, 2008, 09:17 PM
Like ice cubes in water, when something is frozen, it thaws.
The world is still thawing from the last ice age.


The Holocene is a geological epoch which began approximately 10,000 years ago (about 8000 BC). According to traditional geological thinking, the Holocene continues to the present. The Holocene is part of the Neogene and Quaternary periods. Its name comes from the Greek words ὅλος (holos, whole or entire) and καινός (kainos, new), meaning "entirely recent". It has been identified with MIS 1 and can be considered an interglacial in the current ice age.

Holocene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene)

"Being Green" has become an over-used catch phrase for advertisers and businesses to push their products. There is no "magic bullet" or special product or gizmo out there in the market field.
Wanna lower your bills and save, reduce the impact on the environment?

TURN. IT. OFF.

brokenandtwisted
November 1st, 2008, 10:17 PM
*** Central Canada, Siberia, and even parts of Greenland will gain more living space and will retain a climate similar to New England.

This is very bad...I am surrounded by some of the largest lakes in the world. I'd rather those mofos didn't rise.


“All of the rising clamor for energy caps is an invitation to the American people to put themselves in chains. It is an attempt to lure them along a path thousands of times more deadly than any military misadventure, and one from which escape might be impossible.”

This doesn't make sense...and has an awkward tense. "All of the rising clamor?" Clamor is defined as a persistent demand. "All of the rising persistent demand" is awkward structure...you want "The clamor for energy caps", not "all of the rising clamor for energy caps." I realize they were trying to be dramatic and intelligent, but...they failed there...


Living in a painfully liberal city like Seattle,

Painfully liberal? Bitch, please...Seattle would be the only place in America I would ever live in. :lollypop: You have Starbucks and WaMu (Wa for a baby, Mu for a cow...it's a crying baby cow! Isn't that an adorable and cute metaphor pertaining to those corporate veal (people)-eating thieves in a capitalist society?)

Pete Bondurant
November 2nd, 2008, 08:13 PM
If women are going to be wearing less clothing, then I am all for it!