Kamal El-Adnani was babysitting GF's 2 yr. old when he suffered serious head injury

[Sister Iroz]

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FORT WAYNE – A Fort Wayne man was arrested Thursday after he took his girlfriend’s son to a hospital with serious head injuries the boy suffered while in the man’s care, police said.

Kamal El-Adnani, 29, of the 1000 block of East State Boulevard, is charged with neglect of a dependent. He was being held in lieu of $100,000 bail at the Allen County Lockup.

Officers were called just before 10 p.m. Wednesday to Parkview Hospital after a 2-year-old boy was admitted. The boy was brought there by El-Adnani, who was baby-sitting.

He told police he started watching the boy and his sibling about 4 p.m. He said the toddler fell asleep and did not respond when he tried to wake him, police said.

The boy’s father called police after hearing his son was in the emergency room. The father heard of the injuries from the boy’s mother, El-Adnani’s girlfriend, police said.

The boy’s brain was swollen, according to officer Liza Thomas, police spokeswoman.

“There was some sort of blow to the head,” she said.

Police are trying to determine how the toddler was injured. Al-Adnani was interviewed by police Wednesday night and arrested Thursday morning.

The boy remained in critical condition Thursday, Thomas said.
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100917/LOCAL07/309179965/-1/LOCAL11


[...]

Adnani said he did not know what had happened to the child and had been with him the whole time, except for a few moments.

[...]http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100917/NEWS/9170333

[Dakota Valkyrie]

I bet it was a damned attack couch that did it.

[Bohring]

Or a sneaky Diaper Genie.

[Pete Bondurant]

Kamal El-Adnani, 29, of the 1000 block of East State Boulevard, is charged with neglect of a dependent.


This is terrorism plain and simple.

[RobotSocks]

Does anyone know how long they've been together? I don't know what kind of fucking moron would leave their children with someone they barely know, just met, or are just fucking.

I strongly believe that unless the person plans on being around for a while, a LONG while, and plans on acting like a "step" parent, they should have no parental responsibilities or privileges such as babysitting, and those privileges shouldn't come until after the person has been around for at least a year and has had a background check, I meet their parents, give me a few references, take a psych evaluation, get an HIV test, driving records, vision and hearing test. . . I wanna know EVERYTHING about this person before I leave them alone with my children.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

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Over and over again, Kamal El-Adnani said he didn’t know.

He didn’t know how the 2-year-old boy he was watching got the bruises, or what caused him to bleed all over El-Adnani’s shirt, or even how the boy suffered such a severe head injury that part of his skull had to be removed.

“I don’t know,” the 29-year-old told Fort Wayne police detectives numerous times Thursday.
[...]

El-Adnani is described in the affidavit as the live-in boyfriend of the boy’s mother. He picked up the boy and the boy’s 5-year-old sister from a baby sitter about 4 p.m. Wednesday. The children did not have bruises or anything wrong with them, the affidavit said.

The baby sitter later told police that whenever El-Adnani showed up, the boy would tell her that “he doesn’t want to go with Kamal and that he hits him,” according to the affidavit.

El-Adnani took them home where he was watching them while their mother was away. He told detectives that he changed the boy’s diaper twice, left him alone once to get a new diaper for no more than three minutes, then watched a movie with the children.

The boy spoke to his mother about 5:45 p.m. over the phone and sounded fine, according to the affidavit.

El-Adnani told detectives that after that phone call, the child fell asleep in his arms and would not wake up. He told detectives the boy’s arms were taut, and when he lifted the boy a bit his head went limp, according to the affidavit.

He took the boy, who was bleeding all over El-Adnani’s shirt, to the hospital, arriving about 6:25 p.m., the affidavit said.

A neurologist at the hospital told police the boy must have suffered his injuries sometime after the phone call to his mother, as the injuries were so severe that he would not have been able to speak clearly and would have “been in an enormous amount of pain after suffering a blow of that magnitude,” the affidavit said.
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100918/LOCAL03/309189970/1002/LOCAL

[tenntitanfan]

Well, for all of the stories I have read on DD, at least it's not the usual excuses. The I don't know how all this blood got all over me is unique. No, he fell over the dog, fell down the stairs, walked into the wall, just I don't know. This may work for him. hmm.....

[mahmoud el adnani]

it isn't true he is my uncle and knowing him very well i can swear that it was an accident and they've been 2 years thogether . well to everybody if u don't know him shut up and don't say anything plz dont be stupid imagine yourself in his place

[Dakota Valkyrie]

it isn't true he is my uncle and knowing him very well i can swear that it was an accident and they've been 2 years thogether .
Your Uncle Kamal sucks as a babysitter if the kid has an "accident" that is so severe that part of the kids skull has to be removed.

How do you explain the experts who say otherwise????

A neurologist at Parkview Hospital who examined a 2-year-old boy suffering from a fractured skull said the injury “was caused by extreme force and was not accidental trauma,” according to Dr. Jayesh Patel in a police affidavit.http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100923/NEWS/9230311

well to everybody if u don't know him shut up and don't say anything plz dont be stupid imagine yourself in his place
I can not imagine myself in a position to beat a 2-year-old... or even in a position where I would claim to know such a person.

[HijabiGirl]

it isn't true he is my uncle and knowing him very well i can swear that it was an accident and they've been 2 years thogether . well to everybody if u don't know him shut up and don't say anything plz dont be stupid imagine yourself in his place
September 19th, 2010 02:05 AM


Salaam brother,

Firstly your uncle had absolutely no business having a "girlfriend." You and I both know that zinah is not allowed in Islam. In Islam we have a strict code of justice and at the very least your uncle deserves grave and physical punishment for hurting this child. If this child has lost it's mental capacity and therefore quality of life, he owes his life in place.

Also, even if it were an "accident" why did he say he "didn't know" what happened? A child doesn't suddenly start bleeding all over one's shirt unless something violent happened. He stated the child was fine and went to sleep in his arms only to become unresponsive. So when exactly did the blood begin to flow and from where?

Imagine if we were in his shoes? If I were in his shoes I would hang myself due to the shame and guilt. Imagine yourself in this child's shoes. Imagine the fear and pain he must've felt as someone much bigger and stronger than him hurt him and he was completely unable to defend himself. If this were Saudi your uncle would've already been executed.

[pandorian]

I SADLY READ ABOUT KAMAL AL ADNANI SOMEONE I WENT TO COLLEGE WITH AND SOMEONE WHO IS VERY EDUCATED AND SWEETHEART OTHERWISE THE BOY'S MOTHER WOULDNT LIKE HIM ENOUGH TO TRUST HIM WITH HER OWN KIDS...KAMAL IS TOO NICE AND TOLERANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO A CHILD...AND IF YOU ALL THINK HE IS A CRIMINAL TRUST ME HE IS NOT...HOW CAN A CRIMINAL TAKE HIS VICTIM TO THE HOSPITAL...AND FOR HIM SAYING I DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED...I SAY ONE THING IF YOU HAVE KIDS AND I HAVE TWO BOYS 2 YEARS AND 3 YEARS WE ALL KNOW THAT SHIT HAPPEN TO KIDS SOMETIMES AND KIDS THAT AGE ARE MORE TROUBLESOME AND IMPULSIVE ANd mischievous and......... anyway him daying i dont know clarify two things whether the boy fell or something fell on him it only take 3 seconds with kids to be injured ...or for that lady babysitter may have fractured the boy's skull out of anger or for being irritated by the boy acting up and cant handle the too much the kids do and we all know and see in the news what babysitters do to the kid...

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Read all over this site. There are many many CONFESSED (not just found guilty, but confessed to their crimes) abusers that took the kid to the hospital.

Read all over this site. There are many many CONFESSED (not just found guilty, but confessed to their crimes) abusers that say they don't know how it happened.

Read all over this site. There are many many CONFESSED (not just found guilty, but confessed to their crimes) abusers that are well educated an well loved by their women., friends and family.

You mention some other case with a baby sitter like it would be an excuse. Kamal El-Adnani WAS the babysitter in this case.

You fail on all your attempts at logic. Let him babysit your kids. Although any mom who lets someone with such a record watch her kids is an idiot...

I can't find a dispositon in his case, but here is more info:

El-Adnani is described in the affidavit as the live-in boyfriend of the boy’s mother. He picked up the boy and the boy’s 5-year-old sister from a baby sitter about 4 p.m. Wednesday. The children did not have bruises or anything wrong with them, the affidavit said.

The baby sitter later told police that whenever El-Adnani showed up, the boy would tell her that “he doesn’t want to go with Kamal and that he hits him,” according to the affidavit.

El-Adnani took them home where he was watching them while their mother was away. He told detectives that he changed the boy’s diaper twice, left him alone once to get a new diaper for no more than three minutes, then watched a movie with the children.

The boy spoke to his mother about 5:45 p.m. over the phone and sounded fine, according to the affidavit.

El-Adnani told detectives that after that phone call, the child fell asleep in his arms and would not wake up. He told detectives the boy’s arms were taut, and when he lifted the boy a bit his head went limp, according to the affidavit.

He took the boy, who was bleeding all over El-Adnani’s shirt, to the hospital, arriving about 6:25 p.m., the affidavit said.

A neurologist at the hospital told police the boy must have suffered his injuries sometime after the phone call to his mother, as the injuries were so severe that he would not have been able to speak clearly and would have “been in an enormous amount of pain after suffering a blow of that magnitude,” the affidavit said.http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100918/LOCAL03/309189970

[Lizard]

I SADLY READ ABOUT KAMAL AL ADNANI SOMEONE I WENT TO COLLEGE WITH AND SOMEONE WHO IS VERY EDUCATED AND SWEETHEART OTHERWISE THE BOY'S MOTHER WOULDNT LIKE HIM ENOUGH TO TRUST HIM WITH HER OWN KIDS...,

You're either ridiculously naive or you are misrepresenting your relationship to Kamal. Guess what? Any serial killer who went to even one college class has someone who can say that the serial killer is "SOMEONE I WENT TO COLLEGE WITH AND SOMEONE WHO IS VERY EDUCATED." No amount of education renders one "immune" to hurting a child or committing some other crime. I assume you had a lot of opportunities in your coursework with him to see him interact with small children?

And yeah, shit happens to kids sometimes, but there are rarely mysteries that occur while being held in the arms of an adult that require part of the skull to be removed.

[walkingeagle]

I really hope that those of you who knew him try throwing this educated nonsense at the judge in his defense!

[humanista]

I am unable to believe that a friend and a work buddy like Kamal is in this situation. But someone above said that shit happens, that is very true. I wont make any assumptions here about his involvement or lack of involvement in hurting Gavin (the toddler). But for those who just see a photo of a dark guy and don't know enough about him. Kamal is a good guy with a totally outstanding history (family, work, education, relationships...). He doesn't come from a background of violence and abuse. He moved all the way from PA to Indiana to be with his girlfriend and her kids. Isn't that a sacrifice to begin with? He left his job and life in PA to be with THEM. The two of them had been together for around 16 months before he moved in with her earlier this year.

Some people here made a good point by saying that his eduction doesn't mean a rat's ass before the law and other people's right to be safe, that's true. But let's not forget that your background as a whole plays an important role in any legal case.

In short, Kamal doesn't deserve to be destroyed. I have no idea what happened to Gavin. I hope he is not in pain still. The little boy's life has been deeply damaged at an early age...

Does anyone here have an update of the case? The last update online was published in Sept 30th.

[Nell]

But for those who just see a photo of a dark guy and don't know enough about him.

I have been here 2 years. This isn't a racist site, so that statement is just dumb.

You are the 3rd person to stick up for this guy. What is so special about him? How did the kid start bleeding? WTF happened to Gavin? I don't care to hear about your friends awesome past. What happened to the baby?

[Valasca]

I can't believe you pulled the race card. We don't give a damn about color. We care about the baby.
He's your work buddy? Then why don't you give an update.

[humanista]

I have been here 2 years. This isn't a racist site, so that statement is just dumb.

You are the 3rd person to stick up for this guy. What is so special about him? How did the kid start bleeding? WTF happened to Gavin? I don't care to hear about your friends awesome past. What happened to the baby?

Mentioning his past must mean something to those who don't know him. If you are a family member of Gavin, I totally undertand your feelings. You need to know what happened to your baby. If you are a random person, what have you done to babies in the underdeveloped world that die of diseases and hunger? How many times have you visited an orphanhouse and donated your money? Do you care about Gavin or any baby? Don't forget that Kamal is his mother's baby.

Now back to your question about WTF has happened to Gavin. I can't answer that. The investigators must find out.

Nobody said that this is a ra
I have been here 2 years. This isn't a racist site, so that statement is just dumb.

You are the 3rd person to stick up for this guy. What is so special about him? How did the kid start bleeding? WTF happened to Gavin? I don't care to hear about your friends awesome past. What happened to the baby?

Mentioning his past must mean something to those who don't know him. If you are a family member of Gavin, I totally undertand your feelings. You need to know what happened to your baby. If you are a random person, what have you done to babies in the underdeveloped world that die of diseases and hunger? How many times have you visited an orphanhouse and donated your money? Do you care about Gavin or any baby? Don't forget that Kamal is his mother's baby.

Now back to your question about WTF has happened to Gavin. I can't answer that. The investigators must find out.

Nobody said that this is a ra
I have been here 2 years. This isn't a racist site, so that statement is just dumb.

You are the 3rd person to stick up for this guy. What is so special about him? How did the kid start bleeding? WTF happened to Gavin? I don't care to hear about your friends awesome past. What happened to the baby?

Mentioning his past must mean something to those who don't know him. If you are a family member of Gavin, I totally undertand your feelings. You need to know what happened to your baby. If you are a random person, what have you done to babies in the underdeveloped world that die of diseases and hunger? How many times have you visited an orphanhouse and donated your money? Do you care about Gavin or any baby? Don't forget that Kamal is his mother's baby.

Now back to your question about WTF has happened to Gavin. I can't answer that. The investigators must find out.

[humanista]

Salaam brother,

Firstly your uncle had absolutely no business having a "girlfriend." You and I both know that zinah is not allowed in Islam. In Islam we have a strict code of justice and at the very least your uncle deserves grave and physical punishment for hurting this child. If this child has lost it's mental capacity and therefore quality of life, he owes his life in place.

Also, even if it were an "accident" why did he say he "didn't know" what happened? A child doesn't suddenly start bleeding all over one's shirt unless something violent happened. He stated the child was fine and went to sleep in his arms only to become unresponsive. So when exactly did the blood begin to flow and from where?

Imagine if we were in his shoes? If I were in his shoes I would hang myself due to the shame and guilt. Imagine yourself in this child's shoes. Imagine the fear and pain he must've felt as someone much bigger and stronger than him hurt him and he was completely unable to defend himself. If this were Saudi your uncle would've already been executed.

I am glad this is not Saudi Arabia. The laws of the Middle Ages will not make the world a better place. Execution of humans beings in fully packed stadiums. The mother was his girlfriend. It is none of your business to tell a grown-up what kind of relationships s/he should have. God's forgiveness can encompass a lot more than what you read about in your religious texts. Why is Islam brought into the disussion anyway? Zinah is Haram, thus Kamal is a nasty muslim, thus he deserves what will happen to him! what kind of logic is this? MOREOVER, there is no death penality in Islamic jurisprudene for the defendant if the victim doesn't die. Go learn Islam before defending it with your ignorane.

[humanista]

I can't believe you pulled the race card. We don't give a damn about color. We care about the baby.
He's your work buddy? Then why don't you give an update.

There are those who care about race. I am glad that you don't. Race-based prejudice is alive and lurking. check What Would You Do series broadcast by cBS news ( on youtube) to see how colour can affect how people perceive who you are.

...AND my statment about race was for those who think that race matters! I didn't say that this is a racist website.

Kamal was my work buddy back in PA.

[humanista]

Read all over this site. There are many many CONFESSED (not just found guilty, but confessed to their crimes) abusers that took the kid to the hospital.

Read all over this site. There are many many CONFESSED (not just found guilty, but confessed to their crimes) abusers that say they don't know how it happened.

Read all over this site. There are many many CONFESSED (not just found guilty, but confessed to their crimes) abusers that are well educated an well loved by their women., friends and family.

You mention some other case with a baby sitter like it would be an excuse. Kamal El-Adnani WAS the babysitter in this case.

You fail on all your attempts at logic. Let him babysit your kids. Although any mom who lets someone with such a record watch her kids is an idiot...

I can't find a dispositon in his case, but here is more info:
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100918/LOCAL03/309189970

What about those who went to jail by mistake and many years of their lives were wasted?

[Nell]

There are those who care about race. I am glad that you don't. Race-based prejudice is alive and lurking. check What Would You Do series broadcast by cBS news ( on youtube) to see how colour can affect how people perceive who you are.

...AND my statment about race was for those who think that race matters! I didn't say that this is a racist website.

Kamal was my work buddy back in PA.

What? Is English your second language? I got almost nothing out of all your posts.



Mentioning his past must mean something to those who don't know him. If you are a family member of Gavin, I totally undertand your feelings. You need to know what happened to your baby. If you are a random person, what have you done to babies in the underdeveloped world that die of diseases and hunger? How many times have you visited an orphanhouse and donated your money? Do you care about Gavin or any baby? Don't forget that Kamal is his mother's baby.

Been donating to Christian Childrens Fund since I was 18. Saving up right now to send $250 to Save a Smile. So fuck you.

[walkingeagle]

Victims like Gavin need a voice. This forum is but one platform for that. One does not have to know them personally to care about what happened. We've heard that you guys were classmates/co-workers and/or friends, but do any of you know about how he treated his girlfriend and her kid(s)? I don't see anyone of you saying such.

I haven't been here for long but I've not seen anyone imply that a person is guilty because of their skin color. That's ridiculous!


If you are a random person, what have you done to babies in the underdeveloped world that die of diseases and hunger?

Are you seriously suggesting that there is no such nee in this country? This country has enough problems that need to be dealt with, including children who are dying of hunger and disease.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

What about those who went to jail by mistake and many years of their lives were wasted?
Most of them aren't caught red handed with a beat up baby. I highly doubt that the baby's head just exploded on it's own. If you want to pretend that your friend accidentally dropped the kid, fine. But the doctors can tell the difference. After millions of abused children, they can tell by the damage the difference between a drop to the floor and abuse.

Did you even read the rest of that post? The baby was fine at 4pm. By 6:25 he had a serious head injury. El-Adnani (who the child was AFRAID of!!) was the only adult around. As I said in an earlier post, Kamal sucks as a babysitter if the kid has an "accident" that is so severe that part of the kids skull has to be removed. He didn't even tell the cops he accidentally dropped the child. He's saying he doesn't know. Too bad he didn't have the manhood to fess up.

[walkingeagle]

What about those who went to jail by mistake and many years of their lives were wasted? Show us one chil abuser that went through this! The people you speak of are usually accused rapists or murderers. And their convictions were way before recent technology and science came into the picture!

[Obsolete]

Show us one chil abuser that went through this! The people you speak of are usually accused rapists or murderers. And their convictions were way before recent technology and science came into the picture!

That's ridiculous...people are wrongly convicted of child abuse all the time, just ask the Center on Wrongful Convictions. However I doubt any of them were alone with a baby when said baby suffered a traumatic "mysterious" head injury.

This guy is either guilty of hurting the baby, or guilty of lying about how the baby hurt himself.


Examples of men and women wrongly convicted of child abuse:
Debbie and Alvin McCuan, Scott and Brenda Kniffen, Frank Fuster, Gerald Amirault, Bernard Baran, The Bronx Five....plenty of others out there.

[walkingeagle]

No doubt that it happens with abuse. I was just looking at the death of this baby and circumstances around it, and cannot say I've heard of a similar case where one was wrongly convicted on it.

[Obsolete]

No doubt that it happens with abuse. I was just looking at the death of this baby and circumstances around it, and cannot say I've heard of a similar case where one was wrongly convicted on it.


The baby hasn't died.

[walkingeagle]

My mistake. Still doesn't change what we're looking at!

[walkingeagle]

Update: new charge in FW neglect case
Updated: Thursday, 30 Sep 2010, 8:27 AM EDT
Published : Thursday, 16 Sep 2010, 4:14 PM EDT

FORT WAYNE, Ind. (WANE) - A Fort Wayne man now faces two felony charges after the 2-year-old boy he was watching suffered critical head injuries.

Police originally arrested Kamal El-Adnani last week on a charge of Neglect of a Dependent. Thursday, NewsChannel 15 learned prosecutors have added an additional felony charge of Battery.

http://www.wane.com/dpp/news/local/boyfriend-arrested-for-neglect

[humanista]

What? Is English your second language? I got almost nothing out of all your posts.




Been donating to Christian Childrens Fund since I was 18. Saving up right now to send $250 to Save a Smile. So fuck you.

Good for you and the kids. Just make sure that your money doesn't go into converting babies from non-christian parents into christianity -- taking advantage of the needy. If that's the case then you are really fucked up.

[walkingeagle]

So, to defend your friend, you first throw the race card on everyone here. In a similar act of ignorance you attack someone with the above post! Where do they grow you people???? You cried about helping the unfortunate,although you limited that to other countries, then you want to put stipulations on that help? You are a MORON!!!!!

[Nell]

Good for you and the kids. Just make sure that your money doesn't go into converting babies from non-christian parents into christianity -- taking advantage of the needy. If that's the case then you are really fucked up.

I am really fucked up. This is true.

I am an atheist. The reason I choose Chrisitan Childrens Fund so long ago, (man I am old!) was because at the time, at 18, I could barely afford the 19 dollars a month donation. So I researched which charities gave the most of the money to the cause and had the least overhead. Chrisitian Childrens Fund only uses a small fraction of the money that is donated for overhead. Something like 10 percent, the lowest of any charity that is similar in function.

So fucked up or not at 18 I was smarter than you are now. So suck my ass, and try to think of another insult you can throw at me.

http://cfi.imswebmktg.com/cfi/unique/117002.php?utm_source=msn+search&utm_medium=sem&keyword=christian%20children%20fund

[Valasca]

I loves me some Nell.

[Silvahalo]

Baby Gavin was beat so bad part his brain was removed, ffs! the only known adult to have access to him at that time is the man who claimed to lovingly hold him as he fell asleep, went limp and bleed on him. Seems to me this man who cries 'I don't know' has a lot to explain, and IMHO, knows exactly what happened.

If the children around him noticed anything that might help this investigation it will likely come out.

My hope and prayers that baby Gavin heals completely.

[sinfulplezurz702]

Mentioning his past must mean something to those who don't know him. If you are a family member of Gavin, I totally undertand your feelings. You need to know what happened to your baby. If you are a random person, what have you done to babies in the underdeveloped world that die of diseases and hunger? How many times have you visited an orphanhouse and donated your money? Do you care about Gavin or any baby? Don't forget that Kamal is his mother's baby.

Now back to your question about WTF has happened to Gavin. I can't answer that. The investigators must find out.

Nobody said that this is a ra

Mentioning his past must mean something to those who don't know him. If you are a family member of Gavin, I totally undertand your feelings. You need to know what happened to your baby. If you are a random person, what have you done to babies in the underdeveloped world that die of diseases and hunger? How many times have you visited an orphanhouse and donated your money? Do you care about Gavin or any baby? Don't forget that Kamal is his mother's baby.

Now back to your question about WTF has happened to Gavin. I can't answer that. The investigators must find out.

Nobody said that this is a ra

Mentioning his past must mean something to those who don't know him. If you are a family member of Gavin, I totally undertand your feelings. You need to know what happened to your baby. If you are a random person, what have you done to babies in the underdeveloped world that die of diseases and hunger? How many times have you visited an orphanhouse and donated your money? Do you care about Gavin or any baby? Don't forget that Kamal is his mother's baby.

Now back to your question about WTF has happened to Gavin. I can't answer that. The investigators must find out.

Not donating money to hungry kids in 3rd world countries really isn't the same as beating their little heads until their brains swell now is it? I'm thinking no...I'm also thinking FUKKKKK kamel or kaka or whatever his SORRY ASS LITTLE PUSSY BITCH NAME IS. HE DOENT MATTER...HE'S WORTHLESS AND CAN ROT IN HELL FOR ALL ANYONE CARES. POOR BABY GAVIN MUST HAVE BEEN SOO TERRIFIED ....SO F U K. K A M A L

[zaccaria]

To the respectable community of Indiana and the American society at large,
I am Zakaria, Kamal’s best friend. I have just learnt today of the horrible event that had happened to the child and to my forever number-one friend. I got very sad such a beautiful thing such as Gavin Campbell got hurt and worse off to set up Kamal for a huge downfall. I have noticed that the media that has covered the incident has taken on a one-way lane, that of criminalizing the defenseless accused.
I do know that part of the jury that is going to pronounce its verdict on Kamal is going to be from the community and thus I would like to introduce Kamal to that very community. Kamal is graduate student of English literature and certified high school teacher of English. He then decided to take his career to the next step. He packed up for the land everybody who has lived in a country with poor opportunities for young qualified like him dream of. Once economically settled in the US, he enrolled at the university of Philadelphia. I had not talked to him in almost 3 years because my conditions in Italy did not allow me to do so. We resumed chatting on the social network in 2008 and we have not stopped ever since. If you talk to Kamal, the first things that will strike you about him are his class, manners and unconditioned respect for people no matter who they are. A very well-read person and he goes only for finely tuned things. Now, one would ask a very legitimate question: high profile terrorists are geniuses of physics and business administration and still they commit acts of killing innocent people, so why would Kamal’s qualities exempt him from being another criminal?
First off, Kamal does not have a history of mental or personal disequilibrium. We have grown up in a very simple-minded environment and we do not have the necessary sophistication to perpetuate child battery. And even if he wanted to, he cannot afford to do so. His parents partly depend on him. A long line of people are watching him and the things he can achieve. So being psycho to the point of hitting an innocent child for no reason or the like is a luxury that young ambitious immigrant like cannot afford to do. He has other concerns.
I was also astonished that in the course of three months, his girl-friend has not publicly given him credits for all the sacrifices he has made for her. Actually, I feel somehow guilty for being an important part of that decision. Being a very shy and somehow mindful of his own community, he was reluctant to move in to Indiana with his girl-friend. He had concerns about what his family would think of him if he moves in with the mother of two children, none of whom is offspring. He was 50% undecided, until one day I told him “ people are jerks. They will never quit judging no matter what you do. Your girl-friend sounds promising and I have never seen you so in love. Dismiss the whole world and pursue your heart” ! would have loved to hear from his girl-friend and what she does think about him now. She is, indeed, the only insider that can confirm or disconfirm all the good things that have been said about him. I would have loved to hear from his girl-friend if Kamal has any history of violence and freaky behaviors with her or people around them. He gave up on the whole world for her not to harm her kids. He was giving her a hand as somebody who loves her and ready to make sacrifices for somebody he loves. Otherwise, he could have carried on dating her from afar. At least, that would have meant less responsibilities for him.
Now all that accounts is those hilarious media reports and an up front medical primary report whose credibility is not granted. No other hypotheses have been considered, except that the accused is a criminal now. It is as if criminals are born overnight through single incident that could be surrounded by a thousands doubts. People can be evil, due to their insecurities, rancor they harbor for better-being others so on so forth. Haven t we entertained the idea that the guy given his weird compatibility with the crime could have been the victim of a set-up? Haven t we considered any other theories other than this easy convenient one? Is this the best we can be at judging people we do not know? I have humbly tried to give you a hint to who kamal is and I am definitely sure none who has encountered him and know somebody who knows would say the contrary.
I am so available to be held accountable for what I have said in this article, because I perfectly know kamal and I will spare no effort that would help do him justice.
zakaria.zakriYahoo.com

[Nell]

Nobody is going to read that wall of words. Use some paragraphs for fucks sake.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

We have grown up in a very simple-minded environment and we do not have the necessary sophistication to perpetuate child battery.
This is the first time that I've ever heard someone is too stupid to abuse a child. :noidea:

It takes nothing more than a half or a thoughtless second of loss of self control in frustration to slam a child to the floor, or backhand him, or punch him in the face, or whatever it was that caused the injuries.

I have no doubt that shithead is everything all his supporters say. I just haven't heard a valid explanation that proves he didn't do this heinous thing. PLEASE explain why he - as the ONLY adult present when the injury occured, the person the child feared (kids don't just fear people for the hell of it)- should not be held accountable.

"Because I like him" just doesn't cut it.

[Valasca]

Blah blah good education blah nice person blahblah.
Who. The FUCK. Cares.
As I have said numerous times... He could be a millionaire, carried old ladies over mud puddles in the street, fed and clothed the homeless. NONE of that matters after you beat a child for no reason.
Yes, I believe in spankings. One spank, and not even very hard, is sufficient. Beating a child is not acceptable under any circumstance. Period.
Take your wall of words to someone who wants to hear it. We don't.

[Valasca]

Wait. What the fuck. This is, what, the third fucktard to defend this waste of air?
Does Kel-a-twit piss gold or something?

[MC30]

If you talk to Kamal, the first things that will strike you about him are his class, manners and unconditioned respect for people no matter who they are. A very well-read person and he goes only for finely tuned things


We have grown up in a very simple-minded environment and we do not have the necessary sophistication to perpetuate child battery.

make up your mind. either way he is still a shit-bag baby-beater.

[OMalley]

How 'sophisticated' does a person need to be to lose their cool? Your implication that Kamal is too simple to beat a child (or, "he wasn't raised that way") is ridiculous. Your friend is not "above" commiting this crime. Being well educated, well read, and having nice manners does not exempt him from the possiblity of being guilty. You might think you know him well and he's a great guy, but he's HUMAN. Human beings are not perfect and they make plenty of mistakes; sometimes horrible, irrevocable ones. You yourself have pointed out the many heavy responsibilities this guy had to shoulder. You mention how his parents are depending on him, and that he was reluctant to move with his girlfriend and how much he sacrificed for her. Does it not occur to you that he may have been feeling RESENTFUL and stressed out?

If he did it (and it sure as hell looks like he did), I hope he pays. And pays.

[zaccaria]

To the respectable community of Indiana and the American society at large,
I am Zakaria, Kamal’s best friend. I have just learnt today of the horrible event that had happened to the child and to my forever number-one friend. I got very sad such a beautiful thing such as Gavin Campbell got hurt and worse off to set up Kamal for a huge downfall. I have noticed that the media that has covered the incident has taken on a one-way lane, that of criminalizing the defenseless accused.
I do know that part of the jury that is going to pronounce its verdict on Kamal is going to be from the community and thus I would like to introduce Kamal to that very community. Kamal is graduate student of English literature and certified high school teacher of English. He then decided to take his career to the next step. He packed up for the land everybody who has lived in a country with poor opportunities for young qualified like him dream of. Once economically settled in the US, he enrolled at the university of Philadelphia. I had not talked to him in almost 3 years because my conditions in Italy did not allow me to do so. We resumed chatting on the social network in 2008 and we have not stopped ever since. If you talk to Kamal, the first things that will strike you about him are his class, manners and unconditioned respect for people no matter who they are. A very well-read person and he goes only for finely tuned things. Now, one would ask a very legitimate question: high profile terrorists are geniuses of physics and business administration and still they commit acts of killing innocent people, so why would Kamal’s qualities exempt him from being another criminal?
First off, Kamal does not have a history of mental or personal disequilibrium. We have grown up in a very simple-minded environment and we do not have the necessary sophistication to perpetuate child battery. And even if he wanted to, he cannot afford to do so. His parents partly depend on him. A long line of people are watching him and the things he can achieve. So being psycho to the point of hitting an innocent child for no reason or the like is a luxury that young ambitious immigrant like cannot afford to do. He has other concerns.
I was also astonished that in the course of three months, his girl-friend has not publicly given him credits for all the sacrifices he has made for her. Actually, I feel somehow guilty for being an important part of that decision. Being a very shy and somehow mindful of his own community, he was reluctant to move in to Indiana with his girl-friend. He had concerns about what his family would think of him if he moves in with the mother of two children, none of whom is offspring. He was 50% undecided, until one day I told him “ people are jerks. They will never quit judging no matter what you do. Your girl-friend sounds promising and I have never seen you so in love. Dismiss the whole world and pursue your heart” ! would have loved to hear from his girl-friend and what she does think about him now. She is, indeed, the only insider that can confirm or disconfirm all the good things that have been said about him. I would have loved to hear from his girl-friend if Kamal has any history of violence and freaky behaviors with her or people around them. He gave up on the whole world for her not to harm her kids. He was giving her a hand as somebody who loves her and ready to make sacrifices for somebody he loves. Otherwise, he could have carried on dating her from afar. At least, that would have meant less responsibilities for him.
Now all that accounts is those hilarious media reports and an up front medical primary report whose credibility is not granted. No other hypotheses have been considered, except that the accused is a criminal now. It is as if criminals are born overnight through single incident that could be surrounded by a thousands doubts. People can be evil, due to their insecurities, rancor they harbor for better-being others so on so forth. Haven t we entertained the idea that the guy given his weird compatibility with the crime could have been the victim of a set-up? Haven t we considered any other theories other than this easy convenient one? Is this the best we can be at judging people we do not know? I have humbly tried to give you a hint to who kamal is and I am definitely sure none who has encountered him and know somebody who knows would say the contrary.
I am so available to be held accountable for what I have said in this article, because I perfectly know kamal and I will spare no effort that would help do him justice.
zakaria.zakriYahoo.com

[WhatThe]

Are you kidding? Is this going to be the response to all of our questions from this point on - reposting the giant generic letter?

Do you supposed this letter or appeal or whatever was sent to the paper and any news outlet they could find that has discussed Kamal? They just don't seem to realize that the only thing you need on a resume that qualifies you as a baby beater is that you have beaten a baby. Kamal...? Check!

[Alf]

Are you kidding? Is this going to be the response to all of our questions from this point on - reposting the giant generic letter?

Undoubtedly.

It has been a common tactic in stifling commentary one does not agree with since at least 1995 -- put up a huge meandering post that does not address the issues at hand in any meaningful manner at all and, when called on it, take refuge in Article I of the Bill of Rights. And, of course, deny others their own Article I rights if they dare to reply in any manner except fawning subservience.

--Al

[carolinablue]

To Zakaria, and I hope you read this:

My first ex-husband was a beater. If we could have lived our lives in public, everything would have been sunshine and rainbows. He never, ever showed his true nature to anyone but me and my baby. He was a Muslim from a very wealthy and politically influential family; he had a PhD in engineering and was a tenured professor at a leading Northeastern university, and one of the worst human beings I have ever met. Ironically, he was beloved by many who only saw him at his best...in public. Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors.

I worked for years in domestic violence shelters and met many, many wives/girlfriends of doctors, lawyers, ministers and community leaders. The beaters were almost always described as "the nicest guy I've ever met". You don't know a man (or woman) until you've lived with him or her. There is a private person and a public person; beaters feel safe abusing within the privacy of their homes. Their public persona is a facade, what they do in private is the real person. Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors.

I well understand the disbelief and denial of his defenders...you have only seen the good, and it's easier to believe this is some horrible mistake or unfortunate accident. It;s easier than accepting your friend has fooled you for years.

[OMalley]

Uh...wth? What's up with posting that *&@% stupid letter again? That just pisses me off.

[Valasca]

He don't speek engrish pretty good.

[walkingeagle]

Come on guys and gals, I was almost to the point of changing my opinion after the second posting! NOT!

[Rockin Ma]

We have grown up in a very simple-minded environment and we do not have the necessary sophistication to perpetuate child battery. And even if he wanted to, he cannot afford to do so. His parents partly depend on him. A long line of people are watching him and the things he can achieve. So being psycho to the point of hitting an innocent child for no reason or the like is a luxury that young ambitious immigrant like cannot afford to do.

I caught that retardedness too.

The letter starts out like the Nigerian hacks that send out mass emails to your address book.

[sinfulplezurz702]

D
To the respectable community of Indiana and the American society at large,
I am Zakaria, Kamal’s best friend. I have just learnt today of the horrible event that had happened to the child and to my forever number-one friend. I got very sad such a beautiful thing such as Gavin Campbell got hurt and worse off to set up Kamal for a huge downfall. I have noticed that the media that has covered the incident has taken on a one-way lane, that of criminalizing the defenseless accused.
I do know that part of the jury that is going to pronounce its verdict on Kamal is going to be from the community and thus I would like to introduce Kamal to that very community. Kamal is graduate student of English literature and certified high school teacher of English. He then decided to take his career to the next step. He packed up for the land everybody who has lived in a country with poor opportunities for young qualified like him dream of. Once economically settled in the US, he enrolled at the university of Philadelphia. I had not talked to him in almost 3 years because my conditions in Italy did not allow me to do so. We resumed chatting on the social network in 2008 and we have not stopped ever since. If you talk to Kamal, the first things that will strike you about him are his class, manners and unconditioned respect for people no matter who they are. A very well-read person and he goes only for finely tuned things. Now, one would ask a very legitimate question: high profile terrorists are geniuses of physics and business administration and still they commit acts of killing innocent people, so why would Kamal’s qualities exempt him from being another criminal?
First off, Kamal does not have a history of mental or personal disequilibrium. We have grown up in a very simple-minded environment and we do not have the necessary sophistication to perpetuate child battery. And even if he wanted to, he cannot afford to do so. His parents partly depend on him. A long line of people are watching him and the things he can achieve. So being psycho to the point of hitting an innocent child for no reason or the like is a luxury that young ambitious immigrant like cannot afford to do. He has other concerns.
I was also astonished that in the course of three months, his girl-friend has not publicly given him credits for all the sacrifices he has made for her. Actually, I feel somehow guilty for being an important part of that decision. Being a very shy and somehow mindful of his own community, he was reluctant to move in to Indiana with his girl-friend. He had concerns about what his family would think of him if he moves in with the mother of two children, none of whom is offspring. He was 50% undecided, until one day I told him “ people are jerks. They will never quit judging no matter what you do. Your girl-friend sounds promising and I have never seen you so in love. Dismiss the whole world and pursue your heart” ! would have loved to hear from his girl-friend and what she does think about him now. She is, indeed, the only insider that can confirm or disconfirm all the good things that have been said about him. I would have loved to hear from his girl-friend if Kamal has any history of violence and freaky behaviors with her or people around them. He gave up on the whole world for her not to harm her kids. He was giving her a hand as somebody who loves her and ready to make sacrifices for somebody he loves. Otherwise, he could have carried on dating her from afar. At least, that would have meant less responsibilities for him.
Now all that accounts is those hilarious media reports and an up front medical primary report whose credibility is not granted. No other hypotheses have been considered, except that the accused is a criminal now. It is as if criminals are born overnight through single incident that could be surrounded by a thousands doubts. People can be evil, due to their insecurities, rancor they harbor for better-being others so on so forth. Haven t we entertained the idea that the guy given his weird compatibility with the crime could have been the victim of a set-up? Haven t we considered any other theories other than this easy convenient one? Is this the best we can be at judging people we do not know? I have humbly tried to give you a hint to who kamal is and I am definitely sure none who has encountered him and know somebody who knows would say the contrary.
I am so available to be held accountable for what I have said in this article, because I perfectly know kamal and I will spare no effort that would help do him justice.
zakaria.zakriYahoo.com

Did anyone else read all this retarded bullshit? Yeah....me neither.....DUDE...QUIT WASTING SPACE!

[walkingeagle]

D

Did anyone else read all this retarded bullshit? Yeah....me neither.....DUDE...QUIT WASTING SPACE!Sin, I read through that whole wall of words and found nothing but the basic contradictions and the whole bullshit line of he has to be above all of this and he was set up kind of fail that normally happens here!

[HijabiGirl]

I am glad this is not Saudi Arabia. The laws of the Middle Ages will not make the world a better place. Execution of humans beings in fully packed stadiums. The mother was his girlfriend. It is none of your business to tell a grown-up what kind of relationships s/he should have. God's forgiveness can encompass a lot more than what you read about in your religious texts. Why is Islam brought into the disussion anyway? Zinah is Haram, thus Kamal is a nasty muslim, thus he deserves what will happen to him! what kind of logic is this? MOREOVER, there is no death penality in Islamic jurisprudene for the defendant if the victim doesn't die. Go learn Islam before defending it with your ignorane.

A nasty Muslim, eh? You obviously do not know the meaning of my screen name, you ignoramous. The victim in question is missing a piece of his brain due to the actions of the ONLY ADULT CARING FOR HIM AT THE TIME. This poor child may still die, there are many cases of delayed death due to vegetation on this website, just do some reading. So my knowledge in fiqh, or Islamic jurisprudence is just fine, thankyouverymuch.

Maybe if we started executing animals such as this man in stadiums we would have a lot less reports of children getting their brains bashed in.

And why do people keep bringing up this guy's educational background? (all using horrible grammar and spelling) Child abuse crosses all cultural and educational backgrounds, talk about your strawman arguments. Besides, it looks like all these postings are from the same person registering under different screen names. That or they are all equally stupid.

[malq]

After reading everything in this thread, I get this.

1) Kamal was in charge of the baby. He never left it alone, save for "a few moments".

2) The baby was unresponsive, had bruises and bled all over his shirt on his shirt.
3) Kamal is clueless as to what happened.
Doesn't look good for Kamal

[malq]

You obviously do not know the meaning of my screen name

Just to clarify HG, I believe it is the headscarf worn by muslim women correct? I had to look it up.
I could not find Hijabi, but a Hijab is definetely the scarf. Cool, I learned sumpin'

[Alf]

Bayan HijabiGirl has made no secret of her faith when it was germane to the discussion. She did so in this thread in this post (http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/showthread.php?39789-Kamal-El-Adnani-was-babysitting-GF-s-2-yr.-old-when-he-suffered-serious-head-injury&p=460798#post460798), when she wrote
In Islam we have a strict code of justice.

I have a great deal of respect for her.

--Al

[Pete Bondurant]

I do not negotiate with terrorists.

[Shadow]

I loves me some Nell.

me too..

~shadow

[Shadow]

A nasty Muslim, eh? You obviously do not know the meaning of my screen name, you ignoramous. The victim in question is missing a piece of his brain due to the actions of the ONLY ADULT CARING FOR HIM AT THE TIME. This poor child may still die, there are many cases of delayed death due to vegetation on this website, just do some reading. So my knowledge in fiqh, or Islamic jurisprudence is just fine, thankyouverymuch.

Maybe if we started executing animals such as this man in stadiums we would have a lot less reports of children getting their brains bashed in.

And why do people keep bringing up this guy's educational background? (all using horrible grammar and spelling) Child abuse crosses all cultural and educational backgrounds, talk about your strawman arguments. Besides, it looks like all these postings are from the same person registering under different screen names. That or they are all equally stupid.

i agree with part of your statement about 'executing'.. but the comparison between man and animal is just insulting to the animals.. the man is a monster in my opinion. having said that, i wanted to say that i thought the rest of your statement was very articulate. thank you for that.

~shadow

[HijabiGirl]

Just to clarify HG, I believe it is the headscarf worn by muslim women correct? I had to look it up.
I could not find Hijabi, but a Hijab is definetely the scarf. Cool, I learned sumpin'

Yep, you're right. Hijab is the term used for head scarf. But the actual meaning of the word means to cover the whole body modestly. So if a female wears a head scarf but super tight clothes then it really isn't hijab.

Ceis,
You're right, I shouldn't have insulted animals. The man is a monster.

[humanista]

Yep, you're right. Hijab is the term used for head scarf. But the actual meaning of the word means to cover the whole body modestly. So if a female wears a head scarf but super tight clothes then it really isn't hijab.

Ceis,
You're right, I shouldn't have insulted animals. The man is a monster.

The word Hijab as mentioned in the Quran has nothing to do with clothing. It is used to refer to curtains in the Quran. The verse instructs males who come into the prophet's house to respect the privacy of the prophet's wives by addressing them from behind a curtain. Muslim scholars (males of course) reinterpreted the verse to basically mean that women need to wear curtains or Hijab because that what pleases Allah. The Quran makes it clear that women should dress properly/modestly if they fear harrassement...it is harrasement that determines how a woman should dress AND NOT the desire of Allah. It is up to the woman to decide if she needs to cover from head to toe in order to protect herself.

Conclusion: The is no NAME for the outfit of a muslim woman.

[Valasca]

Why are you even back here? Just as soon as we forget what an idiot Kalami-whatever is... Someone comes back to remind us.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/20110820-06.jpg
A Moroccan man was sentenced Friday to 12 years in prison and could be deported as a result of his conviction.

Kamal El-Adnani, 30, formerly of the 1000 block of East State Boulevard, was charged in September with battery to a dependent causing injury and neglect of a dependent causing injury.
[...]

In July, it took an Allen Superior Court jury less than an hour to convict El-Adnani of the charges. El-Adnani maintains he did nothing to harm the child.

He shook his head slowly as Allen Superior Court Judge Fran Gull told him she believed he had become frustrated with potty-training the toddler.

“Something happened in that house, at your hand,” she said.
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20110820/LOCAL03/308209944/1039/LOCAL03

[walkingeagle]

could be deported WTF?

[Dakota Valkyrie]

WTF?
In reading back in this thread and the posts of the tards, it looks like he may have come to the US on a student visa. Guess his education here is SO over.

[Valasca]

Can't wait for El-Adninny's supporters to come back.

[princessgrandma]

Yeah, I'm bracing for another wall of words. Then again, he could have used all his english in that first wall, and we could be lucky enough to never see him again. Whatever.

K-boy is gone for 12 years. The baby is still alive. Two good things came out of this.

[Pete Bondurant]

Fucking terrorists! :angry2:

[malq]

He has that look like he is terrified of Allah and will die for him.

[LadyCygnet]

So much for his "good education." Maybe he should have taken advantage of whatever sort of counseling his university or workplace offered (I have yet to hear of a university that doesn't have some sort of counseling program for students) instead of doing whatever he did to poor little Gavin.

[malq]

The word Hijab as mentioned in the Quran has nothing to do with clothing. It is used to refer to curtains in the Quran. The verse instructs males who come into the prophet's house to respect the privacy of the prophet's wives by addressing them from behind a curtain. Muslim scholars (males of course) reinterpreted the verse to basically mean that women need to wear curtains or Hijab because that what pleases Allah. The Quran makes it clear that women should dress properly/modestly if they fear harrassement...it is harrasement that determines how a woman should dress AND NOT the desire of Allah. It is up to the woman to decide if she needs to cover from head to toe in order to protect herself.

Conclusion: The is no NAME for the outfit of a muslim woman.

Actually sounds a little like you know what you are talking about. let's see what HijabiGirl has to say

[Valasca]

Sorry, but who the fuck cares what it's called? This is about the baby.

[HijabiGirl]

Humanista is wrong. Here is a link written by a person versed in actual Arabic discussing the different verses in the Qur'an explaining the hijab, it more than a head covering. http://mto.org/islam/en/verses_hijab.html The Quran tells women to "draw their veils about them and over their bosoms" ...so not sure how one draws the curtains in your house over your bosom.

Kind of have to agree with Amazon on this one, it's hardly relevant to the thread. However, since it's Ramadaan and prayers have special power during this time, I will pray this man meets a painful and just death so he can burn in hell forever.

[humanista]

According to a news release, the judge took into consideration his clean past which was my point initially. He could have received 20 years instead of 12. HIS PAST HELPED HIM. I hope he gets his Phd in prison and go back to Morocco to teach a class on child abuse.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

According to a news release, the judge took into consideration his clean past which was my point initially. He could have received 20 years instead of 12. HIS PAST HELPED HIM.
All first timers get a lesser sentence than someone with a previous conviction. He's no more special than any other baby beater.

[humanista]

Humanista is wrong. Here is a link written by a person versed in actual Arabic discussing the different verses in the Qur'an explaining the hijab, it more than a head covering. http://mto.org/islam/en/verses_hijab.html The Quran tells women to "draw their veils about them and over their bosoms" ...so not sure how one draws the curtains in your house over your bosom.

Kind of have to agree with Amazon on this one, it's hardly relevant to the thread. However, since it's Ramadaan and prayers have special power during this time, I will pray this man meets a painful and just death so he can burn in hell forever.

I have more to say about the Hijab thing, but it is irrelevant to the thread. Learn Arabic yourself and interpret the religion for yourself instead of relying on the interpretations of MALES who lived more than a thousand years ago. How about praying for this guy to repent or become a better human being? Can't your God do something better than burning people forever? Pathetic...

[humanista]

Whatever!!! Justice is done.

[Valasca]

Seriously, why does this ass keep coming back? Why isn;t this thread LOCKED?
We know El-adummy is guilty as hell.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Seriously, why does this ass keep coming back? Why isn;t this thread LOCKED?
Because we only lock threads when members become assholes and won't STFU when fighting with each other or tards.

[Valasca]

Meh. True, but "humanista" won't STFU.

[ineedanap]

I couldn't bear to read through all the shit to find out if the baby's ok. Can someone summarize?
WTF cares that the fucking head scarf, body drape, curtain is called? If you choose to wear it, well, it calls attention to you, good or bad.
How is the kid?
If the perp was here on a student vista, his school should have been reporting if he was attending class or not. If he wasn't attending, he should have been deported.
How is the kid?

Thanks to anyone who responds to my tired self. I can't read all that crap right now. I am done on a couple of levels.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Meh. True, but "humanista" won't STFU.
Are you not the one who said this?

Can't wait for El-Adninny's supporters to come back.

Humanista is hardly a tard and is at least adding to the conversation - whether I, you, or anyone else agrees with his/her views. Being a friend of the asshat doesn't make a person a tard. Humanista has never defended El-Adnani's actions in relation to Gavin... only El-Adnani as the person he/she knew. Humanista doesn't even appear to be upset that El-Adnani got sent to jail.

It's when the idiots won't shut up and become irrational (which Humanista never has) that we lock a thread... especially when members won't STFU and join in the irrationality which is not what's happening in this thread (except for a few non-contributing-to-the-discussion posts).

[Erica Gieras]

HijabiGirl,
I agree, if I were responsible for the death of anyone, especially a child, I would also kill myself. If I ever had the urge to hurt a child, I would kill myself. Why can't more people think this way.

[carolinablue]

Does anyone have info on baby Gavin? Is he disabled, will he live a normal life? How badly will the physical abuse effect his life? Also, how is the mom, is she ok?

[princessgrandma]

So many times, these babies that are beaten or shaken and end up severely handicapped die years later from some complication that came out of the original injury. I still think the person should be charged with murder if that happens. I know, I know. Someone's going to argue double jeopardy but I am just doing some wishful thinking.

If the child was with him and the child was so severely injured that he was bleeding all over the man's shirt, there is only one conclusion you can come to. In deference to his fan club that keeps coming back, I will give him one thing. He IS an EDUCATED lowlife shithead baby beater.

And yeah, I wish we'd get some info on how Gavin is doing.

[pandorian]

but he brought the kids home from the day care that was the 1st babysitter.