Terminator 4 Gets Neutered

[Morbid]

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In a move that can only be attributed to future merchandising and the fact that PG-13 movies do make a ton of money, Anne Thompson that the Halcyon Company has stated that the next installment in the Terminator series will have PG-13 rating.


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[ashdavus]

If not for the use of the word FUCK, I think the last one could have been rated PG-13.

[dop]

Well the Terminators are on exoskeleton form on this one and violence angainst machines is not a big deal for those fuckers in the MPAA.

I still think this is a big blow to the franchise as far as quality tho, they are hand tieing the writers and directors with this pg 13 things.

As far as McG goes, Im willing to give him a chance, Charlie's was what physics teachers nigthmares are made of but that wire-fu, fly around from explosions shit worked perfectly for that camp CA franchise, why are chastising a guy for doing what was apropiate for the material he was working with? Im sure he can adapt to the Terminator style to a decent degree.

[swivel]

I didn't know there was a positive correlation between MPAA rating and film quality.

Sounds like someone started a movie site and turned into a snob....

[Morbid]

I didn't know there was a positive correlation between MPAA rating and film quality.

Sounds like someone started a movie site and turned into a snob....

Sounds like someone else doesn't know how to read.

[swivel]

Sounds like someone else doesn't know how to read.

Spoken just like a hyper-sensitive neuvo critic.

The only thing worse than the neuvo riche is the neuvo critic. You give someone an ounce of knowledge, and they give you a pound of opinion. :rolleyes:

[Morbid]

Spoken just like a hyper-sensitive neuvo critic.

The only thing worse than the neuvo riche is the neuvo critic. You give someone an ounce of knowledge, and they give you a pound of opinion. :rolleyes:

Seriously, come back when you want to talk about Terminator 4 being PG-13. You have offered nothing but a few smartass remarks. I offered an entire article explaining, quite clearly I may add, exactly why I feel that any of the Terminator movies would suffer from a PG-13 rating.

[swivel]

Seriously, come back when you want to talk about Terminator 4 being PG-13. You have offered nothing but a few smartass remarks. I offered an entire article explaining, quite clearly I may add, exactly why I feel that any of the Terminator movies would suffer from a PG-13 rating.

Didn't convince me.

And your crying about it isn't helping, either.

[Morbid]

Didn't convince me.

And your crying about it isn't helping, either.

:confused:

[swivel]

:confused:

I won't be reading any more of your posts until you start voting for the Mugshot Beauty Pageant on a regular basis.

And you still haven't set up my ScreaminDemon account. What the fuck is wrong with you?

This thread must have been rated 'G' or some shit.

[Morbid]

I won't be reading any more of your posts until you start voting for the Mugshot Beauty Pageant on a regular basis.

And you still haven't set up my ScreaminDemon account. What the fuck is wrong with you?

This thread must have been rated 'G' or some shit.

Dude, I set you up twice, now. :) I will be voting in the mugshot thread.

[CPL CHUD]

I'm not too worried. If it's about the future war and has Christian Bale in it my ass is still parked in front of the screen come debute time. Unless it's a horror flick I'm never too concerned with ratings.

[swivel]

Unless it's a horror flick I'm never too concerned with ratings.

Uh... and porn... right?

[Sea Hag]

I think the bigger issue is McG. (ha, mcg, whatta douche) Once he was hired I lost all faith in this being good.

[dop]

Why is everyone acting as if McG already tried a Terminator type of action film and failed miserably? Charlies Angels 1&2 was stupid unrealistic type of action because thats what the production called for, it was meant to be camp as fuck, exiting and fun and it achived all those things. If he had made those movies boring then he would be a shity director.

We Are Marshall was a good sports drama movie and the shooting and pacing fited perfectly a sports drama movie, It didnt resemble CA in any way or form.

Or do people just hate him because granted he looks like the bigest douche in real life and even has a proper douchebag name to go with that? Director's personas rarley bother me unless they are say child molestors like Polanski or Victor Salva and fuck it, some of those bush dodgers make good films too.

If you have to be wearry about anyone is the scriptwriters, those are the ones that already tacled terminator on T3 and came out with mediocrity... they also have other stinkers like The Net and Catwoman under their belt... real winers.

[CPL CHUD]

Uh... and porn... right?

I don't own a single porn and I don't think I've ever, uhhhhh, made it the whole way through one.

[KillBill20]

I'm going to take a lashing for brining this up, but fuck it. PG-13 doesn't kill a movie. I Am Legend was PG-13. Cloverfield was PG-13. Both of those movies turned out alright (please spare the Will Smith/Legend hate).

Live Free Die Hard went from R to PG-13 and that movie was OK as well. I really don't think it'll hurt the movie.

~Kyle

[Morbid]

I am not saying that PG-13 kills a movie. In fact, I pointed out that it was quite the opposite in terms of sales. I liked the last Die Hard, I loved Cloverfield. I was just saying that in both cases, I feel they could have been better movies had they been R-rated. Maybe not in sales, just the movie in general.

[swivel]

I am not saying that PG-13 kills a movie. In fact, I pointed out that it was quite the opposite in terms of sales. I liked the last Die Hard, I loved Cloverfield. I was just saying that in both cases, I feel they could have been better movies had they been R-rated. Maybe not in sales, just the movie in general.

Damn, son. You got owned in two movie threads in a single day. I feel awful for you.

[Morbid]

Damn, son. You got owned in two movie threads in a single day. I feel awful for you.

Can we keep this thread on track please? The only reason why you are saying this in this particular thread is because you looked like a drooling fanboy in the other.

And here is what was said in the original article. Read it slowly, swivel.

I don’t know how I feel about that. On one hand, it just doesn’t even sound right together. Terminator..PG-13…Terminator…PG-13. Nope. Just doesn’t fit. But on the other hand, it makes perfect business sense as we have seen the selling power of a PG-13 rated movie in the form of Cloverfield and even the last Die Hard film, whose first three installments were R-rated, yet the latest installment grossed 380 million dollars. More than any of the previous films. Peter Sciritta over at slashfilm does make some interesting points on why he is not worried about the film suffering from this rating,

“None of the things that made T2: Judgement Day a great film would have been effected by a ratings bump from R to PG-13. Let’s face it, this isn’t Rambo - large quantities of gore aren’t required. And Terminators aren’t programed to be foul mouthed.“

I understand what he is saying, but I cannot help but disagree with him. An R-rating is exactly what made T2 what it was. The brutality of the T-1000, the nightmare scene, the overall dark feel of the film would have been changed had it not had that R-rating. While Die-Hard and Cloverfield may be a couple of examples of recent PG-13 films that have done well at the box office, and were both good movies, I personally feel they would have been much better shot as R-rated films. They may not have made as much money, but they would have been better. I feel that this will also be the case with this film as well.

Now, if I have done some back-peddling in this thread, as you accused me of on the phone, I would like to see it. If not, shut the fuck up or at least join me in a discussion on whether or not you agree with my assessment...which, for the reading impaired, is NOT that PG-13 movies suck.

And BTW, Peter doesn't know his Terminator films if he thinks that the Terminators were not programmed to be foul-mouthed. In the first film, the Terminator specifically searches his database for an adequate response to the landlord which was "Fuck You Asshole". I am sure I didn't have to remind everyone what it was, as it went down in movie quote history, but just sayin'.

[KillBill20]

Basically my point is that PG-13 works for a lot of cool action movies. I don't think it'll hurt The Terminator. By todays standards, T2 could probably pass as PG-13. Be it its been a while since I've sat through it. I really don't think the dream sequence, with the kids exploding in the park, would actually be enough to warrant an R rating. Its no worse than the exploding people in Cloverfield.

Although, to play devils advocate... I agree there are some movies that I can't possibly imagine having a PG-13 cut. The Matrix wouldn't work. So I understand the logic, I just don't think it'll end up effecting the film that much.

And maybe they'll go the rout of Live Free Die Hard, offer up a PG-13 theatrical release. Like Morbid said, those sell better. And then give us fans the Unrated cut on DVD. I'd be down with that.

~Kyle

[CPL CHUD]

You can say "fuck" once for the PG-13 rating, so we might hear some swearing, just not a whole lot. The language issue doesn't really bug me. I don't think this needs to be gory either. It'd be cooler if it was though, but that's not integral to it actually being a good flick. If I remember correctly there was very little gore in the future sequences of the films; when hit with laser beams in the first it seems like people just vaporize or the wound is instantly cauterized, and I loved those scenes. They could get away with this without people really even noticing.

[KillBill20]

You can say "fuck" once for the PG-13 rating.

I demand a video example! lol. I can honestly say that I didn't know that.

~Kyle

[CPL CHUD]

I demand a video example! lol. I can honestly say that I didn't know that.

~Kyle

Haha.....ummm I found it out from the flick Be Cool. The movie itself was useless besides that one little tid bit. They say "fuck" once while complaining about the ratings system, which is ironic because it's a PG-13 flick and it's the exact same point they are trying to make.

[swivel]

Terminator..PG-13…Terminator…PG-13. Nope. Just doesn’t fit.

None of the things that made T2: Judgement Day a great film would have been effected by a ratings bump from R to PG-13.

Moron.

Your EXPLICIT claim is that the rating matters for the quality of the film. All of our points have been on-topic, and have destroyed this asinine notion. Now stop being so sensitive. You are making an ass of yourself, everyone can see it, and it would still be happening whether or not I was commenting on it.

[Morbid]

Moron.

Your EXPLICIT claim is that the rating matters for the quality of the film. All of our points have been on-topic, and have destroyed this asinine notion. Now stop being so sensitive. You are making an ass of yourself, everyone can see it, and it would still be happening whether or not I was commenting on it.

You do know you quoted TWO separate people, right? Come on, swivel. Go back to discussing god and space and shit. I never stated that ratings matter for the quality of the film. YOU state I said that which is aggravating to say the least. If you are telling me that a PG-13 movie could not dilute a movie franchise, then I would LOVE to see the difference between and R-rated Dawn\Day of the dead over a PG13 version....or Friday the 13th, or Nightmare on Elm street. You are damn straight a rating decrease would effect the film. It also doesn't always have to do with cussing and gore. A film can get an R-Rating over all-around tone in combination with those things.

As far as you making a point...you have not done that in this entire thread. You are out of your element. This isn't a religious or scientific debate. Where you can call people names and just assume that the audience will applaud you on how smart you are because they have no clue what the fuck you are talking about. :)

[swivel]

You do know you quoted TWO separate people, right? Come on, swivel. Go back to discussing god and space and shit.

I hope you are joking. It isn't my fault that the quote button italicizes everything, I guess I should have posted your line that says you disagree with the guy you quoted. My point is that the argument we are having is the meat of your original post. We aren't off-topic, you are just trying to change the topic because you don't like where this one is going.

Your claim is that T2 was only good because of the rating, which is precisely what we have been arguing against. You think there is a link between the two, and there doesn't have to be. A great director can shoot a scene that makes you squirm without bugging the RIAA. The Doc Oc scene in Spiderman 2 was like that for me. And some of the scenes in the "Saw" sequels did everything they could to break the ratings rules and induced yawns in me.

There is no link between ratings and quality. And you can shoot a Terminator film without saying "Fuck". Honestly, the only people pushing your argument are the teenies that giggle in sex-ed class.


Edit: Out of my element? More ad-homs? If there is a flaw in my reasoning, point it out, don't appeal to authority, which is a logical fallacy. You basically just said, "I have a degree in this subject, which makes me always right". Seriously, why are you being such an ass? It is out of character for you. And I don't think you know that much more about film than I do. After telling me on the phone that Batman Begins is still your favorite comic movie, I asked why you didn't like "V" for Vendetta better, or Road to Perdition. It isn't just what you know, it is the ability to remember it and synthesize it. I think my drug-free past gives me an enormous advantage over you (not to mention that senility provides a good 12-year buffer).

[Morbid]

Let me state again. For the third time. Not once did I say that PG-13 movies are worse than R. I am stating that a PG-13 Terminator film will be worse than an R-rated Terminator film.

Please repeat that again before your next post.

A PG-13 Terminator film is a terrible, terrible decision. Not in terms of money, as they will make it hand-over-fist. But in terms of the franchise before it, this is not a good decision. Terminator fans will finally get to see the battle on a planet run by Terminators...and it will be made for 13-year-old kids to watch...an age demographic the franchise was not aimed towards.

With a PG-13 Terminator film, you will get humans dying off-screen. You will get quick cuts and bloodless deaths as seen in the abysmal Alien versus Predator. You will see a cartoony action flick in the same vein as Die Hard 4. You will not see the bleak, almost horror film tone, that the first two movies demonstrated.

[swivel]

So, this is all centered around your horror bias? Typical. We have a horror fan posing as a movie fan. No wonder you hated Ironman... too bright and cheerful.

Since you only really enjoy a single genre of film, we will just have to disagree here. I have always viewed the Terminator movies as Sci-Fi. And ratings just don't affect the quality of a good sci-fi film (doesn't have to affect a good horror film either, as I loved Sixth Sense more than the juvenille gore-fest shit that you rave about. Same for Poltergeist and Psycho, both would get PG-13 ratings today).

Hell, one of my favorite Sci-Fi franchises of all time started with Star Wars, which was rated PG, wasn't it? It was a kiddie movie, and I will watch it over and over today. And my all-time favorite movie trilogy in the history of cinema is the LOTR movies, which were all PG-13.

Maybe you should just stick to horror films. I really don't want to see the movies that I enjoy suffer just to sate your blood-lust.

[Morbid]

Now you are just being stupid. Too bad you are one of the only active people in this movie section. Or maybe not, 'cause if anyone came in here to disagree with you, you would simply call them names.

[swivel]

Now you are just being stupid. Too bad you are one of the only active people in this movie section. Or maybe not, 'cause if anyone came in here to disagree with you, you would simply call them names.

I would not, you jackass.

[Morbid]

Here is my concern. Not even counting the director. And ignoring the peice of shit 3rd film. The first and second Terminator were set in an R-rated universe. That was the tone. T2 would not have been the same without the T-1000 impaling people, or Sarah Connor dropping F-bombs. The tone of the two movies WAS R-rated. Even in today's age, where more things can be shown on TV and the boundaries can be stretched in PG-13 films, I do not feel that Terminator or T2 would get anything less than an R.

NOW, that we will be seeing a bona-fide war. THE war that we have seen glimpses of throughout the series. NOW we get to see a world where the Terminator rules the landscape and humans are slaughtered, as SEEN through flashbacks in the previous films...we get PG-13. I just do not think that bodes well for the film. I am actually surprised people feel any differently.

[swivel]

I like the third film almost as much as I liked the second one. I'm a bit of a time-travel geek, and T3 is one of the rare (if not only) films which treats time travel appropriately.

I also loved the casting of Conner in 3, and HATED the Conner in 2, but thought some of the action set-pieces made up for it in 2. Still, T3 is one of my all-time favorite action/sci-fi films. And it could have been PG-13 (was it?) and still been as great.

A lot of the old 'R' films could have been PG-13 and still been the same. I think you could make "Alien" PG-13 without much effort. Hell, I loved "I am Legend", and it was PG-13. And the first Pirates of the Caribbean was a great fantasy flick with a dark theme. Wasn't it PG-13? If not, it could have been with no sacrifice.

But, like I said, your horror bias has you lumped in with the juvenile "I see titties" crowd, which is making this debate less interesting than it could be.

[Killroy]

But, like I said, your horror bias has you lumped in with the juvenile "I see titties" crowd, which is making this debate less interesting than it could be.

Wow. Could have had a decent discussion if it wasn't for your need to continually pull this shit. But what do you expect from someone who lists T3 as one of his all-time favorite action films.

Go ahead and get the last word in, swivel. I'm gonna wait for some other members to weigh in.

[swivel]

Jesus, now you are using your multiple accounts to gang up on me?

And you are going to have to wait until school is out before more of your friends can chime in with how cool 'R' movies are, and how PG-13 is for losers...

[Raq me darkly]

I do not often wander into the movie thread but I thought I would pitch in to this debate (debacle?).

Terminator would probably be PG-13 today. I think PG-13 and NC-17 came out after that movie did. Oh, wait, I forgot all about the sex scene. Seeing Sara Connor's nipples would still get it an R rating (though you see more of that watching Nip/Tuck).

A couple drops of "the F-bomb"? So they say "Fuck" a lot. Big deal. I do not think the story would be hurt by changing the language. Hey, it is the future, they can say something else, like "Frack".

Violence. Now T would not be the same without violence. But if it is blowing robots to bits or "fantasy violence" then the MPAA does not care as much. And while there were some violent scenes in T2, I think many of them could have slipped by (and that nighmare scene still was in it when it showed on TV).

I think if they push it, they will probably be able to get quite a bit past the review board. I do not think it will be ruined, but given the choice, I would much rather watch the unrated director's cut on DVD later.

(and I still have to see This Film is Not Yet Rated to confirm how much BS is the MPAA)

[The Diabolical Mr. Lieman]

Why is everyone acting as if McG already tried a Terminator type of action film and failed miserably? Charlies Angels 1&2 was stupid unrealistic type of action because thats what the production called for, it was meant to be camp as fuck, exiting and fun and it achived all those things. If he had made those movies boring then he would be a shity director.

We Are Marshall was a good sports drama movie and the shooting and pacing fited perfectly a sports drama movie, It didnt resemble CA in any way or form.

Or do people just hate him because granted he looks like the bigest douche in real life and even has a proper douchebag name to go with that? Director's personas rarley bother me unless they are say child molestors like Polanski or Victor Salva and fuck it, some of those bush dodgers make good films too.

If you have to be wearry about anyone is the scriptwriters, those are the ones that already tacled terminator on T3 and came out with mediocrity... they also have other stinkers like The Net and Catwoman under their belt... real winers.

Sorry, dop, but the director had a huge to do with why T3 sucked so bad. A HUGE to do.

[dop]

Ohhh no debate there mate, he made the expensive look cheap and shity but it was a combo of suckitude, from the director, to the casting to the script...

The director and shity actors are out of this project but the fuckers that wrote the script get a new chance to fuck up the franchise? How hard can it be to get the Cameron's co writer's from the previous movies?

[The Diabolical Mr. Lieman]

Ohhh no debate there mate, he made the expensive look cheap and shity but it was a combo of suckitude, from the director, to the casting to the script...

The director and shity actors are out of this project but the fuckers that wrote the script get a new chance to fuck up the franchise? How hard can it be to get the Cameron's co writer's from the previous movies?

I gotcha. I totally agree there, bro, 100%.

[dop]

Producers Victor Kubicel and Derek Anderson(whose only other credit is the tv show Cook Off) spooke a little about the new Terminator fim(s) with BBC...

This are the two things I found somewhat interesting relating Terminator:

What inspired the choice of McG as director?
They met with a lot of filmmakers. McG was a huge Terminator fan like the producers and McG's vision matched theirs. He had a lot of passion and enthusiasm and their meeting couldn't have been better. Three weeks into filming and McG has already delivered on the vision he shared with them.

The producers also own a video game company. Will there be a tie in game, will it have the same plot as the film or something special for the vg players?
Yes, they've been in development on the video game at Halycon Games for about 11 months. They are self publishing the game. It won't mirror the film per se but they are using a scene from the film that the game and the film share. Then the game will go on in a different direction while still living and breathing in the Terminator world.

Rest of the interview in video and transcript forms, (http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_ezine&task=read&page=1&category=2&article=4926) They also discuss making Phillip K. Dick movies as they currently own the rigths for his work.

[dop]

The Blog is up, (http://rss.warnerbros.com/terminatorsalvation/) Nice intro by McG, he seems quite familiar with the franchise and invested in the project. Doesnt necesarily mean hell do a good job but it certainly helps.

We’ve officially started principal photography on Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins. Like you guys, I’ve been a long-time fan of the series and I understand your passion for the Terminator movies -- and it’s my full intention to deliver a film that lives up to the previous three installments. I’ve spent time with James Cameron, spoken to Arnold Schwarzenegger, gone over the story with Jonah Nolan, and enlisted Stan Winston.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/369/conceptart1fn1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Dr. Salvador]

i am of the opinion that EVERYTHING is better when its rated R. being pg-13 is not a movie killer per se, but it damn sure can make what could have been a better movie worse in most cases. there are exceptions of course, as The Ring is a perfect movie as is.

[Sea Hag]

Trailer: http://movies.yahoo.com/premieres/8841507/standardformat/

I'm indifferent.

[dop]

Hardly anything going on yet but its a good teaser, I liked the look of it.