Miley Cyrus photos. Art or Pornography?

[TheMorningStar]

Fifteen years old and suggestively wrapped in what appears to be a satin bedsheet in the June issue of Vanity Fair.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/business/media/28hannah.html?ref=business
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23620210-5001021,00.html
(google for many more)

The articles I have been reading on this touch on the damage to Disney this has caused and the associated spin and backpedaling one would expect when a billion dollar franchise is at stake.

Magazines like Vanity Fair publish these images because there is money to be made. Here on DD we see a lot of pedophiles and I too think they should be punished in many of the creative ways I see here. With that said, I have a problem with someone under 18 having such racy pictures published. This photo shoot was done by a famous photographer. Is it really art?

On the one hand this picture is available on many news sites and is apparently perfectly legal to publish. On the other hand the American society as a whole frowns upon men getting an erection when they see such an image.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee314/fishincage/Myley.jpg

If this turns me on, does that make me as sick as the kiddie porn fucktards we see on DD every day?

[TheLittleFriend]

It is not appropriate picture for 15 year olds. Her face is beautiful...at least she should have a nice dress on or something.

[Mom of 4]

Interesting subject TMS. What concerns me about the whole thing is reading comments from Miley herself about how uncomfortable the photos made her. Was she pressured to do them? Was she uncomfortable when she was posing for them?

Would I let my 15 year old daughter pose for those photos? Nope I would not because I see no purpose other than to sexualize the subject. When she is an adult and makes a decision to pose for those photos that fine with me. I feel as a parent though my job is to guide my kids to make good decisions that they hopefully wont regret when they are older.

[Morbid]

Is THAT the picture everyone is talking about? Please tell me there are more. I refuse to believe that the picture above is what has people talking. Are we really that up-tight?

[Mom of 4]

Is THAT the picture everyone is talking about? Please tell me there are more. I refuse to believe that the picture above is what has people talking. Are we really that up-tight?


I haven't seen the issue but my understanding is there are several pictures in various poses. Not sure when the issue hits the newstands. I never buy Vanity Fair myself.

[TheMorningStar]

Annie Leibovitz has issued a statement saying she did not intend to
Exploit Cyrus. She said the photo was intended to convey youth and innocence.

Annie Leibovitz is the Vanity Fair photographer.

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Arts-Entertainment/Miley-Cyrus-apologizes-for-racy-photos/1209416830.html

[Morbid]

Seriously. I am shocked that this is causing this much attention. We are so sexually repressed, it is depressing.

[Morbid]

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9875/prod897324d6a7cdat6.jpg

OMG! Let's go after this photographer and this girl's parents! They are promoting pedophilia with this sexually suggestive pose! :)

Then we need to go after the person who sold Miley this dress!
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/3937/mileycyrus21ke8.th.jpg (http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mileycyrus21ke8.jpg)

Or this skirt!
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/222/mileycyrus51xm1.jpg

Or my god! Her bra!
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6600/mileycyruspersonalcandipu6.jpg

[Dark Star]

Seriously. I am shocked that this is causing this much attention. We are so sexually repressed, it is depressing.

I love Miley Cyrus. My daughter watches her show all the time...and I lol many times when watching it myself. (ok maybe it's just the drugs) but anywho....Miley looks lovely with a sheet draped around her naked body, my question I guess is why? Why naked at 15? Yeah she is a young woman, innocently sitting naked getting her picture taken....again Why?

"We" may look at her as an innocent child, a piece of art. A beautiful young woman. Unfortunately, there are many perverts looking at her another way. Big fucking deal I guess. A fucking pervert is going to get off whether a child is clothed or not, I suppose.

For me personally...I would not want my 15 yr old daughter posing nude with a sheet around her for any fucking magazine. She's my daughter. I'd prefer not to think of a bunch of motherfucking perverts beating their meat and looking at my daughter. (am I an uptight Mother?):cool:

If Miley were 18, it might be more "appropriate". Again my 15 yr old daughter....no fucking way.

Just my thoughts on the matter.:D

[Morbid]

So it is ok for her to wear clothing that reveals more of her body than the photograph? If not, why all the outrage now?

Also, "naked with a sheet around her" is the same as saying "naked with a dress on". :)

[ashdavus]

My problem with the photo is the sheet. It lends suggestion to the bedroom. It suggests that it could fall or be tugged away. You'd probably have to yank that dress ALOT harder than the sheet to dislodge it. I think the photographer's intent for the photo became grossly distorted by the prop...the sheet itself. And Miley does not look suggestive to me in the pic...she looks like she thinks someone is oggling her.

[TheMorningStar]

Seriously. I am shocked that this is causing this much attention. We are so sexually repressed, it is depressing.

So Morbid, are you saying nobody is aroused by the sheet picture? If they are, does that make them sick like the child pornographers we see all the time on DD?

[Dark Star]

So it is ok for her to wear clothing that reveals more of her body than the photograph? If not, why all the outrage now?

Also, "naked with a sheet around her" is the same as saying "naked with a dress on". :)

HeeHee very true man, we are all naked under our clothes. Right on....and no I personally don't think it is ok for a 15 yr old to be wearing anything revealing in a magazine for numerous folks to see.

I would not want my 15 yr old daughter wearing only a sheet.....I wouldn't want her picture in a magazine in her bikini either....not at 15. Dammit. I was 15 once.....sorry but men are fucking pigs. I know, I know...men are going to look at my daughter whether I want them to do so or not. Doesn't mean at 15 I'd want her posing in anything revealing in a magazine, though. That to me is putting it out there. ......I guess for me it is the age thing.

[Morbid]

So Morbid, are you saying nobody is aroused by the sheet picture? If they are, does that make them sick like the child pornographers we see all the time on DD?

They would be a bit strange for becoming sexually aroused at a photo that isn't even sexual. It is an great photo of a beautiful girl. But if someone were to become sexually aroused at a PHOTO...of a girl that could be anywhere from the age of 13 to 23, so what?

Some people are aroused by the photo of the little girl I just posted in the swimsuit. Are you suggesting that makes me a child pornographer? Because that seems to be what you are implying with magazines like Vanity Fair. But again, I ask. Why the outrage at this simple photograph, and not how she dresses on the street?

[Dark Star]

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9875/prod897324d6a7cdat6.jpg

OMG! Let's go after this photographer and this girl's parents! They are promoting pedophilia with this sexually suggestive pose! :)

Then we need to go after the person who sold Miley this dress!
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/3937/mileycyrus21ke8.th.jpg (http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mileycyrus21ke8.jpg)

Or this skirt!
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/222/mileycyrus51xm1.jpg

Or my god! Her bra!
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6600/mileycyruspersonalcandipu6.jpg

Now you're are just being fucking silly. Showing a glimpse of her bra? Big deal. That looks way less suggestive then her being naked under a silken or satin sheet. Shit fire.

And did she pose for any of these pictures for the purpose of having them featured in a magazine?

[Morbid]

Now you're are just being fucking silly. Showing a glimpse of her bra? Big deal. That looks way less suggestive then her being naked under a silken or satin sheet. Shit fire.

What? You have to be kidding me. Showing her tit in a suggestive pose is ok, but a professional photograph of her...back...is not? You guys are crazy.



And did she pose for any of these pictures for the purpose of having them featured in a magazine?

Oh, yeah you are right. How silly of me. Miley Cyrus would never walk out in public and not assume her picture would be taken and put in a magazine.

[AnalBreeze]

I remember when Brooke Shields did the same thing at 15 or so with a blue jeans commercial. All she was wearing were the jeans... and that was on tv. I don't remember everyone gettin' all bent out of shape about that?
As for this I think the pics are great. She's still a 15 year old girl...
Some people need to try being adult enough and control themselves! Just sayin'! :rolleyes:

[Lizard]

The bra shot looks a lot more...suggestive to me that the sheet shot.

[Dark Star]

They would be a bit strange for becoming sexually aroused at a photo that isn't even sexual. It is an great photo of a beautiful girl. But if someone were to become sexually aroused at a PHOTO...of a girl that could be anywhere from the age of 13 to 23, so what?

Some people are aroused by the photo of the little girl I just posted in the swimsuit. Are you suggesting that makes me a child pornographer? Because that seems to be what you are implying with magazines like Vanity Fair. But again, I ask. Why the outrage at this simple photograph, and not how she dresses on the street?

Morbid you seriously don't think that a girl naked under a sheet is not at all sexual? Interesting....for if she was say 23 and naked under that sheet...I might be thinking damn sweetie drop that sheet....at 15 no...I think that might be a tad perverted....am I making any sense here?:p

[ashdavus]

Now, I find the pic with the bra a bit over the top. If she were my kid, I'd knock her fucking head off for allowing someone to photograph her that way. I see the point Morbid is making though. Disney is bitching about the Vanity Fair picture, in which she actually looks like she can't wait to get dressed. Yet I didn't hear Disney bitching about the bra picture, in which she looks like she's begging for it.

[Morbid]

I remember when Brooke Shields did the same thing at 15 or so with a blue jeans commercial. All she was wearing were the jeans... and that was on tv. I don't remember everyone gettin' all bent out of shape about that?
As for this I think the pics are great. She's still a 15 year old girl...
Some people need to try being adult enough and control themselves! Just sayin'! :rolleyes:

YouTube - Brooke Shields Calvin Klein Jeans Commercial 1980

Nothing sexual about that at all. :)

[AnalBreeze]

She is not naked under that sheet.

[AnalBreeze]

YouTube - Brooke Shields Calvin Klein Jeans Commercial 1980 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77ewV2l0fN8)

Nothing sexual about that at all. :)


Thanks but that's not the same one I remember!

[TheLittleFriend]

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9875/prod897324d6a7cdat6.jpg




http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6600/mileycyruspersonalcandipu6.jpg


Both of pictures are temping the sex offenders. Miley did the risk move...she showed her bra, it is almost like it's "taunting" to sex offenders, perverts....or people who have Miley obession.

The first picture is not approiate.....but how can I stop it?

Just my opinion.....

[Morbid]

Morbid you seriously don't think that a girl naked under a sheet is not at all sexual?

I guess for me, it is more beauty over sexual. I guess it all depends where your head is. I see nothing sexual about that picture. It is very tastefully done. But I also think the tit shot, the short skirt and the backless dress are sexual. I must be crazy.

[Morbid]

Both of pictures are temping the sex offenders. Miley did the risk move...she showed her bra, it is almost like it's "taunting" to sex offenders, perverts....or people who have Miley obession.

The first picture is not approiate.....but how can I stop it?

The first picture IS appropriate. It's just a girl in a swimsuit for god's sake.

[Dark Star]

What? You have to be kidding me. Showing her tit in a suggestive pose is ok, but a professional photograph of her...back...is not? You guys are crazy.




Oh, yeah you are right. How silly of me. Miley Cyrus would never walk out in public and not assume her picture would be taken and put in a magazine.

Yes I am fucking crazy...thank you very much. (you already knew that:D)

She personally had to remove her clothes for the Vanity Fair shots and place a sheet to cover her naked body. Again....wouldn't let my 15 yr do that. I also would tell her not to be showing her fucking bra to people either. :D

I guess when I was 15 I wouldn't have dressed with my bra or tits hanging out. I've always been a busty girl....and I've had some bad experiences with some not so nice fellas.

Miley can do whatever the fuck Miley wants. I'm just saying, my daughter....she would not be posing like that.

[Dark Star]

Note to self...must remember the Boss likes short skirts, backless dresses and bra shots.....No naked under the sheets.;)



PS
Morbid
Is it wrong for me to be slightly turned on by you right now?:D

[ashdavus]

Morbid...I get your point. Completely.

Hippie...I get your point. Completely. I agree that Miley can do whatever Miley wants. I also think if we see many of those sizzling "look at my green covered tits" shots, that Miley will be doing what she wants somewhere OTHER than Disney Channel.

I never saw the bra shot before 10 minutes ago. Never heard about it. I think the stink over the sheet shot, however tasteful it may or may not be, is that it will be published for millions of people to see in a magazine known for racy photographs. I don't think Disney wants people to equate their name with "racy"

[TheMorningStar]

They would be a bit strange for becoming sexually aroused at a photo that isn't even sexual. It is an great photo of a beautiful girl. But if someone were to become sexually aroused at a PHOTO...of a girl that could be anywhere from the age of 13 to 23, so what?
Isn't sexual? Maybe something is wrong with me because I think it is very sexual. Maybe because it is a sheet which implies bedroom, I am not sure.


Some people are aroused by the photo of the little girl I just posted in the swimsuit. Are you suggesting that makes me a child pornographer?

Of course you are not a child pornographer, but in another context( on another site) posting the picture of the little girl could be considered so.
No doubt 8 is too young to be sexual, but 15? I don't buy it.


Because that seems to be what you are implying with magazines like Vanity Fair. But again, I ask. Why the outrage at this simple photograph, and not how she dresses on the street?

If she were just another teenybopper wanna be slut walking down the street, this thread would not exist. She is famous and these pics are everywhere. Sorry, but they are IMO way sexier than if she were wearing a short skirt (backless top) walking down the street.

[Morbid]

If she were just another teenybopper wanna be slut walking down the street, this thread would not exist. She is famous and these pics are everywhere. Sorry, but they are IMO way sexier than if she were wearing a short skirt (backless top) walking down the street.

Cannot argue with that. If you think that the Vanity Fair picture is more sexual than her ass hanging out of a skirt. or her exposing her bra to the camera...well...I dunno what to tell ya.

[DA Devil's Advocate]

I don't think this photo is art or pornograhy.

As art the lighting is terible, the hairstyle is ridiculous, the makeup sucks, and the pose is horrible. It makes her look like a hunchbacked chipmunk who just climbed out of the swamp. Now if she were looking somewhere other than directly at the camera, her face didn't look so chubby, her back was straiter, and lit to acentuate the musclature in her back and shoulder then it might be art.

As porn it lacks the sugestive smile, twinkle in the eye, and touch of innocence that drive desire. The touch of innocence is optional since porn of an adult can be innocent or sultry, but you get the point. Maybe if her back was arched, her lips pouting, and the sugestive curve of the side of her breast visible it could be porn.

The Brook Shield "Pretty Baby" pictoral in Playboy was 1000 times better both from an art and porography aspect. I was 14 or 15 when saw them in Dad's Playboy so maybe the hormone level at the time colored the memory. This, I think, is just a bad photograph.

On reflection it does sort of evoke a feeling that this is an exploited plain child being pushed to exhaustion and forced to grow up to fast. Not at all complimentary. Maybe it is art.

[TheMorningStar]

Cannot argue with that. If you think that the Vanity Fair picture is more sexual than her ass hanging out of a skirt. or her exposing her bra to the camera...well...I dunno what to tell ya.

Well that brings me back to my original question. We are shown models younger than 18 striking sexy poses all the time and this is just another example. Of course this is my opinion which is why I asked if I get turned on by this picture does that me as sick as these child pornographer fucktards?

If these girls were not sexy, they would not be models or have the ability to sell millions of magazines with a photo spread like Ms. Cyrus.
American media tells men that these girls are sexy but if you get an erection you are evil.

[Lizard]

"When researchers presented men with three composites of female faces, the most popular turned out not to be a true average of real faces but instead a composite of composites, with digitized, deliberately exaggerated "desirable" (and often childlike) features--full lips, high cheekbones, small chin, widely spaced eyes....The upshot is that although men prefer biologically average women, they also can be seduced by unreal, hyperattractive beauty embodied most in childlike female traits."

Find this relevant, interesting? Pick up The Dark Side of Man: Tracing the Origins of Male Violence and join us in discussing it in the thread below.

http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3243

[TheLittleFriend]

The first picture IS appropriate. It's just a girl in a swimsuit for god's sake.

I do not want my future daughter to wear bikini. Bikinis are not appropriate for little girls. One-piece swim suit is.

Maybe I am just old-fashioned....but I have right to not have my little daughter wear bikini, and give perverts a boner.

[Morbid]

I do not want my future daughter to wear bikini. Bikinis are not appropriate for little girls. One-piece swim suit is.

Maybe I am just old-fashioned....but I have right to not have my little daughter wear bikini, and give perverts a boner.

Sorry to tell you, but your daughter is giving perverts a boner no matter what she is wearing.

[swivel]

All this attention wasted on a twat that can't sing or dance.

[Michele]

All this attention wasted on a twat that can't sing or dance.
Yeah Swivel, but she is worth a billion bucks.

[swivel]

Yeah Swivel, but she is worth a billion bucks.

I'll just jerk off thinking about that!

[Dark Star]

I'll just jerk off thinking about that!

Hahahahahhaha!

[nurseronda]

I think her parents were stupid to let her pose like this in the first place, being that she is an idol for a lot of tweens. It is not a very good picture in the first place.

[Nell]

I'm gonna have to agree with Morbid on this one. I saw the green bra shot awhile ago. She took the picture herself and then it accidentially (yeah, right) got out on the internet. It is way more suggestive than the Vanity Fair shot. Everyone is so upset because she is wearing a sheet, but honestly, I've seen her in less. And yes, My children would never dress like this, but I also wouldn't let them do alot of things Miley Cyrus does. In my opinion she dresses pretty skimpy on a regular basis.

And have you seen the photo were she is LAYING on her dad? It is from the same photo shoot. That one grossed me out way worse. It was vaguely incestuous.

[TheLittleFriend]

And have you seen the photo were she is LAYING on her dad? It is from the same photo shoot. That one grossed me out way worse. It was vaguely incestuous.

Yes, I saw it! I was like WTF?? Ewwwwww.

[dop]

I'm gonna have to agree with Morbid on this one. I saw the green bra shot awhile ago. She took the picture herself and then it accidentially (yeah, right) got out on the internet. It is way more suggestive than the Vanity Fair shot. Everyone is so upset because she is wearing a sheet, but honestly, I've seen her in less. And yes, My children would never dress like this, but I also wouldn't let them do alot of things Miley Cyrus does. In my opinion she dresses pretty skimpy on a regular basis.

And have you seen the photo were she is LAYING on her dad? It is from the same photo shoot. That one grossed me out way worse. It was vaguely incestuous.

Thats her dad? ewwww, now that one is creppy.. I had seen that but didnt realise that it was her dad, I just asumed it was a bf that looked like shit.

Honestly, its not a big deal, you can find racier stuff on other 15yos Myspacess, Heck her personal pics like that bra thing are racier IMHO.

I doubt this would be making such a rucuss if she wasnt a Disney cash cow. just like that other girl from Highshcool musical whose naked pics got leaked about a year back and was forced to make like a million apologies on top of her humilliation.

[crimenthusiast]

Thats her dad? ewwww, now that one is creppy.. I had seen that but didnt realise that it was her dad, I just asumed it was a bf that looked like shit.

Honestly, its not a big deal, you can find racier stuff on other 15yos Myspacess, Heck her personal pics like that bra thing are racier IMHO.



I agree dop that the myspaces of 15 yo are just as bad. My son is 14 and I look at some of the pictures his friends have on there, and I am like wow! if I had a daughter she would not post pictures like that. Unfortunately, it seems that kids are growing up much faster these days, and regardless of what their parents say, they are going to dress how they want.

I saw the pictures and didn't think that there was anything wrong with them. It is true, she wears stuff that makes her look "slutty" and Disney doesn't have a problem with that. I also don't agree that the picture with her dad is "incestuous". I saw that picture and didn't think that at all.

I understand that she is a role model for tweens, but let's look at the big picture here. We teach our children what is right and wrong. My best friend has two daughters 11 & 13. They adore Mylie...but they also know that they shouldn't dress like her. If we tell our kids about the ramifications of dressing like that, then we are doing what a good parent should do.

Morbid is right. Sick people are going to look at kids in the pedophile/porno way regardless of what they wear if they are turned on by that.

Stepping down off my soap box now. :D Just giving my honest opinion.

[dop]

Ahhh I see we are talking about two diferent pictures, Thank goodness cause the one I was remembering looked like incestland in my mind..

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/434/200804mileybillyzm1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7411/mrchn0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Now I that I see the pic we were talking about it doesnt really seem incestuous to me, It just looks shity.

Now as far as the other pic, that is a lot racier than the shoulder pretentious one from vouge.

I know those were ment to be private but what the hell, shes doing a far bether job at sexualising herselve than the magazine.

I had originaly seen that one at WWTDD along with the bra pic and some rather trying to be sexy pose in a bikini (http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=5223), one thing is for sure the girl is not bashful.

[Rotten Apple]

I think the bra shot looks like she is asking to get laid.

The sheet shot looks like she just got laid.

Neither would make me happy if I were her mother. But whatever. It's all marketing. The fact that we are even talking about it is making them soooo happy right now.

There are actually pages dedicated to answering the question of whether she is virgin or not. The fact that she says she is waiting for marriage and supposedly has a purity ring almost guarantees that she has already had multiple partners as far as I'm concerned. :rolleyes:

This is Britney Spears all over again. Don't feed it!

[celtic friend]

I think the bra shot looks like she is asking to get laid.

The sheet shot looks like she just got laid.

Neither would make me happy if I were her mother. But whatever. It's all marketing. The fact that we are even talking about it is making them soooo happy right now.

There are actually pages dedicated to answering the question of whether she is virgin or not. The fact that she says she is waiting for marriage and supposedly has a purity ring almost guarantees that she has already had multiple partners as far as I'm concerned. :rolleyes:

This is Britney Spears all over again. Don't feed it!
Ditto, to everything Kathy just wrote.
I also don't think that the sheet picture is a really flattering one of her. It looks like crap IMO.

[gprime]

Art? Not really, though that is in the eye of the beholder I suppose. Pornography? She isn't even naked, so I'm going with no yet again.

As others have already said, this is nothing out of the ordinary. Girls her age wear more revealing clothing, take more suggestive photos, and generally act likes whore. She herself has taken more explict pictures, some of which Morbid didn't post:

http://teamsugar.com/988036

Take a look at the second picture on the above like. Apparently it was leaked from her Myspace page. So why get all up in arms about this milder, more tasteful picture?

[Sea Hag]

It's not like she's shitting in a cup and having another girl eat it. I don't understand what all the hub-bub is about. Drew Barrymore was getting eaten out on camera by Tom Skerritt at the same age and she was much more attractive. (& really, isn't that what matters most?)

[KillBill20]

You know what I don't get...

... who the fuck names their kid "Miley"? Seriously, thats the dumbest name I've ever heard.

~Kyle

[TheLittleFriend]

You know what I don't get...... who the fuck names their kid "Miley"? Seriously, thats the dumbest name I've ever heard.~KyleHer real name is Destiny Hope. :rolleyes:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2007-01-10-miley-cyrus_x.htm

[dop]

You know what I don't get...

... who the fuck names their kid "Miley"? Seriously, thats the dumbest name I've ever heard.

~Kyle

Dude, her other artistic name is Hannah Montana. The punk should count her blessings people have started calling her Miley...

Not that either is her real name, her other pseudonim is miley Steward. bitch has more aliases than Jess Franco.

[KillBill20]

If we're going to talk bad celeb. baby names..... Shannyn Sossamon has a kid named Audio Science.

Sadly... I'm not making that up. (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0815370/bio)

~Kyle

[TheLittleFriend]

If we're going to talk bad celeb. baby names..... Shannyn Sossamon has a kid named Audio Science.

Sadly... I'm not making that up. (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0815370/bio)

~Kyle

What in god's name?! Audio Science?? Poor kid.

[Becca]

I'm gonna echo what some folks have already said, but here's my humble opinion.

I think the Vanity Fair shot could be considered art by some, porn by others. I think it's a fucking ugly picture of a product of the new generation, which is spin 'em, sell 'em, make money off of 'em and then sit back 10 years from now when she's just another cracked out used to be famous skank whore, going "I just don't know what happened to her."

My kid adores Hannah Montana and like HP, I laugh myself sometimes. There is usually a moral to each episode. Miley may be a "role model" to some tweens, but it's up to the parents to ultimately guide the way. I'm not the world's greatest mother by any stretch, but I am proud of the fact that my kid can watch H.M. and say "Oh my gosh, I would never wear that in public!", while still wishing she could sing and dance like her.

Everything in the media, hell the whole fucking world, offends somebody these days, so I see how these kids can do what they want, then immediately have to start apologizing bcs you know somebody's gonna be pissed and bitch to Disney. According to reports, she wasn't actually naked under the sheet, just had the clothing pulled away to make it look like she was. Even if she was, or even for the bra picture or the laying on her boyfriend picture..who cares? I can think of all the shit I was doing at 15 that my parents would be horrified even today to know I was doing; yeah I'm not famous so I know there's a difference, but she's still 15. She's gonna push boundaries like any 15 year old - what she does may be a little more dramatic though bcs instead of having to get mommy & daddy's attention, she's gotta get the whole world's attention.

Last thing..thinking about backlash and apologizies and people banning H.M. from their houses and whatnot..whatever. It's a fucking picture. Miley Cyrus (major Disney star) = appearing to be naked in somewhat provocative picture vs. Jamie Lynn Spears (major Nickelodeon star) = knocked up at 16. No contest for me. I'd rather my daughter ask why Miley took a picture like that instead of why some kid still in school got pregnant.

[impqueen]

If we're going to talk bad celeb. baby names..... Shannyn Sossamon has a kid named Audio Science.

Sadly... I'm not making that up. (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0815370/bio)

~Kyle

Penn Jillette's daughter is named Moxie CrimeFighter, which is both awesome and terrible at the SAME TIME.

Moxie is COOL.

[Nell]

I'm letting my boyfriend name our daughter Serendipity. Go ahead, tell me you hate it. Everybody does.;)

[Raq me darkly]

There are actually pages dedicated to answering the question of whether she is virgin or not. The fact that she says she is waiting for marriage and supposedly has a purity ring almost guarantees that she has already had multiple partners as far as I'm concerned.

One explanation I heard for a purity ring is that she is "marrying" daddy and will remain faithful to him until she gets married. Creepy, yes? I looked up Purity Balls and it just adds to the creepiness:


Her Heart Belongs to Daddy (http://citybeat.com/2007-05-09/cover2.shtml)
And with 'Purity Balls,' so does her vagina

She's all dolled up in tiara and ball gown, sitting on her man's lap, arms around his neck, kissing his cheek. He's grinning from ear to ear and trying to look comfortable in a rented tux.

He's placed a ring on her finger, they've exchanged vows before God and for dessert they'll chow down on wedding cake.

The "ick" factor? Tuxman and Bride Baby are Daddy and his daughter, who could be any age from a barely school-ready 7 to a college graduate.

Daddy and his "date" are taking part in a "Purity Ball." That's where he pledges to guard his daughter's virginity until the day comes when he can turn her over to a legal husband. Dutiful daughter, in turn, promises to remain pure until that fateful day.

In my twisted mind, I could see some perverted daddy making use of this ceremony to take advantage of his daughter. But that would be another thread. ;)

When I saw Ms. Cyrus' infamous sheet picture, I thought of the new Lifetime show, How to Look Good Naked (http://www.mylifetime.com/on-tv/shows/how-look-good-naked). The picture of Ms. Cyrus looks a lot like one from episode 5 (not a good version - it's a screen shot of streaming video):

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2306/2468699966_74a6ecb8b1_o.jpg

The main difference is that it is an adult woman who signed a release to have her naked picture shown (on the side of a building and tv). The picture in question of Ms. Cyrus would have to have been approved by her legal guardian (in this case, would it be dear daddy or her agent/manager?). In the "Behind the Scenes (http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/06/miley_slideshow200806)" at VanityFair.com, the "erotic" aspect of the picture goes away since she's not naked, really.

Art or pornography is always debated. There was a debate over a photograph owned by Elton John (http://www.4debatetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5) as to whether it was art or porn. I thought it was more in keeping with embarrassing family pictures that you wish your parents would have burned when you turned 18.

[TheLittleFriend]

Penn Jillette's daughter is named Moxie CrimeFighter, which is both awesome and terrible at the SAME TIME.

Moxie is COOL.

That will be cool if I name my son Jack Daniel.

Damn, I should've name him that.

[KillBill20]

That will be cool if I name my son Jack Daniel.

Damn, I should've name him that.

This thread has helped me name my future kids. Jack Daniel and Moxie Crimefighter.

~Kyle