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Whisper
May 11th, 2010, 09:08 PM
Body found in Utah likely that of missing boy, 4
LAYTON, Utah — Police in Utah say they have found the body of a boy who matches the description of a missing 4-year-old child and that his mother and stepfather will be charged.

Layton authorities on Tuesday said a charge of aggravated homicide will be filed against Ethan Stacy’s stepfather, 31-year-old Nathan Sloop. They say Stacy’s mother, 27-year-old Stephanie Sloop, will be charged with felony child abuse.

Police shifted their search from the family’s apartment complex to a location about 25 miles away in Ogden Canyon. Five officers were seen carrying a blue bag out of the woods late Tuesday.
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http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/west/view.bg?articleid=1254127&srvc=rss
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Now You Can Watch Everything Including Them Get Theirs R.I.P Ethan

Whisper
May 11th, 2010, 09:51 PM
Boy found, police arrest mother, stepfather
LAYTON --
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The mother and stepfather of Ethan Stacy, the young boy who was reported missing early Tuesday morning from a Layton apartment complex, have been arrested.

The mother, 27-year-old Stephanie Sloop, and stepfather, 31-year-old Nathan Sloop could face charges of aggravated homicide, felony child abuse, obstruction of justice and desecration of a corpse, according to a press release.

Ethan was reported missing from an apartment complex north of Layton Hills Mall, at 1425 N. 586 West, at around midnight. Stacy was wearing Spiderman pajamas and is 4 feet 4 inches tall, 50 pounds with blue eyes and blond hair. He was apparently barefoot at the time he left the apartment.

Police say Ethan is from Virginia and has been in the area for about 10 days staying with his mother and stepfather. They told officers this is not the first time the boy has snuck out of the apartment since he arrived in Utah, said Lt. Garret Atkin.

At 4 p.m., the search for the boy had moved to a trail that leads off the Powder Mountain Road, authorities said.

At approximately 5 p.m., investigators carried something off the mountain, although it was unclear at that time whether it was the body of the boy.
http://www.standard.net/topics/featured/2010/05/11/boy-found-police-arrest-mother-stepfather
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Layton Police speaks to the media this afternoon

mystery
May 11th, 2010, 11:20 PM
The body of a missing 4-year-old boy has been found, and his parents have been arrested in his death.

Ethan Stacy's body was found Tuesday, buried next to a trail near the Powder Mountain Ski resort. Ethan's stepfather, Nathan Sloop, was arrested on suspicion of homicide. Nathan Sloop and Ethan's mother, Stephanie Sloop, both are suspected of child abuse, obstruction of justice and desecration of a corpse, Layton police said.

Investigators would not say how they think Ethan died or how his body was desecrated.

Ethan, who lives in Virginia, arrived in Layton just two weeks ago to spend the summer with the Sloops, said Layton police Lt. Garret Atkin. Stephanie and Nathan Sloop married May 1, he said.


Ethan Stacy (Family photo)Late Monday night, Stephanie Sloop called police to report Ethan was missing, Atkin said. She claimed she had put Ethan to bed about 9 p.m., and he was gone when she checked on him later. She also said he had wandered off several times before, but always came back.

Throughout the night and Tuesday morning, police searched the area surrounding the Sloops' apartment complex, near 500 West and 1400 North, questioning a dozen registered sex offenders in the area, sweeping neighboring apartments and interviewing "persons of interest," Atkin said.

During those interviews, police learned of the "burial site" near Powder Mountain, Atkin said.

Crews searched near the Wolf Canyon trailhead on State Road 158 in Weber County. Canopies were erected over two separate sites less than a quarter mile up the trail. Investigators could be seen carrying shovels to and from the scene, where muddy conditions complicated the search, Atkin said.

The body of a boy matching Ethan's description was found at 5 p.m. Atkins said he would not "go into the gory details" as to the body's condition, and investigators do not know how long the body had been buried at the trail.

It is not clear whether the boy was killed


Missing boy, Ethan Stacy, found dead
at the trail or if his body was brought there from another place, Atkin said.

Police would not say who pointed investigators to Wolf Canyon or whether the Sloops confessed outright to killing Ethan. Atkin said only that "their stories changed during the process."

"They were trying to cover their tracks," he said.

Police do not yet know whether Ethan actually had a history of wandering away from home. His biological father has been contacted, Atkin said. Police would not release the father's name, and Atkin said he did not know the city in Virginia where Stacy lived.

Police are investigating no other potential suspects, Atkin said.

Nathan Sloop has a history of drug convictions and other crimes dating back to 2000. Most recently, he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor possession of a controlled substance in 2003.

Stephanie Sloop has no criminal history in Utah under her married name; Atkin said he did not know her maiden name or previous married names.

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_15060682

mystery
May 11th, 2010, 11:26 PM
His mother claimed her 4-year-old son had a habit of wandering out of their apartment in the middle of the night.

But police don't believe that was ever the case. Instead, detectives believe Ethan Stacy's step-father killed him, and then he and the boy's mother tried to cover it up.

Ethan had been in Utah just 10 days. He'd been in Virginia with his father and arrived to spend the summer with his mother and his new step-father. The couple had just gotten married on May 1.

Nearly 17 hours after his mother reported him missing from their Layton apartment, Ethan's body was found buried more than 30 miles away in a remote area near Powder Mountain.

Just before 5 p.m., five officers were seen carrying a large blue tarp folded in two off of the mountain with the body of Ethan inside.

Nathan Sloop, 31, was arrested for investigation of aggravated murder, child abuse, obstruction of justice and desecration of a corpse. Stephanie Sloop, 27, was arrested for investigation of child abuse, obstruction of justice and desecration of a corpse.

Police say they contacted Ethan's biological father in Virginia and informed him of the tragic situation.

The announcement of the arrests capped a long and heartbreaking day for police officers who had searched throughout the night for the blond-haired, blue-eyed boy with glasses, allegedly last seen wearing Spider-Man pajamas.

"Anytime you get a case involving a child like this, it makes you wonder how that happens," Layton Police Lt. Garret Atkin said.

Investigators did not say Tuesday how, when or why Ethan was killed, but Atkin noted they do not believe his death was pre-meditated. Police believe after Ethan was killed, his body was driven to a remote area about 11 miles up Ogden Canyon near Wolf Creek Resort and Powder Mountain, past Pineview Reservoir, about 200 yards off the main canyon road in a heavily wooded area close to a dirt access road owned by Powder Mountain Ski Resort.

Investigators wearing yellow rain coats and carrying evidence bags and shovels focused on the specific area Tuesday afternoon.

"Due to the weather and terrain, it (was) a very difficult crime scene to process," Atkin said.

Police were originally contacted by the boy's parents at 11:55 p.m. Monday. They claimed Ethan had gotten out of bed and wandered off again without them noticing.

His mother claimed her 4-year-old son had a habit of wandering out of their apartment in the middle of the night.

But police don't believe that was ever the case. Instead, detectives believe Ethan Stacy's step-father killed him, and then he and the boy's mother tried to cover it up.

Ethan had been in Utah just 10 days. He'd been in Virginia with his father and arrived to spend the summer with his mother and his new step-father. The couple had just gotten married on May 1.

Nearly 17 hours after his mother reported him missing from their Layton apartment, Ethan's body was found buried more than 30 miles away in a remote area near Powder Mountain.

Just before 5 p.m., five officers were seen carrying a large blue tarp folded in two off of the mountain with the body of Ethan inside.

Nathan Sloop, 31, was arrested for investigation of aggravated murder, child abuse, obstruction of justice and desecration of a corpse. Stephanie Sloop, 27, was arrested for investigation of child abuse, obstruction of justice and desecration of a corpse.

Police say they contacted Ethan's biological father in Virginia and informed him of the tragic situation.


The announcement of the arrests capped a long and heartbreaking day for police officers who had searched throughout the night for the blond-haired, blue-eyed boy with glasses, allegedly last seen wearing Spider-Man pajamas.

"Anytime you get a case involving a child like this, it makes you wonder how that happens," Layton Police Lt. Garret Atkin said.

Investigators did not say Tuesday how, when or why Ethan was killed, but Atkin noted they do not believe his death was pre-meditated. Police believe after Ethan was killed, his body was driven to a remote area about 11 miles up Ogden Canyon near Wolf Creek Resort and Powder Mountain, past Pineview Reservoir, about 200 yards off the main canyon road in a heavily wooded area close to a dirt access road owned by Powder Mountain Ski Resort.

Investigators wearing yellow rain coats and carrying evidence bags and shovels focused on the specific area Tuesday afternoon.

"Due to the weather and terrain, it (was) a very difficult crime scene to process," Atkin said.

Police were originally contacted by the boy's parents at 11:55 p.m. Monday. They claimed Ethan had gotten out of bed and wandered off again without them noticing.

Atkin did not have much information about the newlywed Nathan and Stephanie Sloop. An Internet search of Nathan Sloop showed he has family ties to Davis County and possibly lived in Florida at one time.

Utah court records show Nathan Sloop also has a criminal history in Utah. In 2003, he pleaded guilty to drug possession with intent to distribute, a charge that was amended from a felony to a misdemeanor. He was sentenced to 30 days at the Weber County Jail and put on probation. He was off probation at the time of his arrest Tuesday. He was also found guilty of a separate misdemeanor drug possession charge about that same time.

In 2001, Nathan Sloop was convicted of disorderly conduct and criminal mischief, and a few months later in a separate case he was convicted again of disorderly conduct and failure to obey a peace officer, according to court records.

The Davis County Attorney's Office will review the evidence Wednesday and decide whether to file charges against the couple.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700031409/4-year-old-Layton-boy-was-murdered-police-say.html?pg=1

Whisper
May 11th, 2010, 11:29 PM
his poor bio dad thinking he will be back after summer
But not returned in a body bag

Ninja0980
May 12th, 2010, 04:48 AM
Just taking a wild guess that since they tried to hide the body and then tried to lie about where he was that this poor child didn't die accidently.

Aena
May 12th, 2010, 05:18 AM
WTF they had him 10 days????? 10 days and they are trying to say he had a history of sneaking out of their apt.? It only took them 10 days to kill this little boy.... What sorry sacks of shit!

Marv
May 12th, 2010, 05:37 AM
this child goes to spend the summer with them. They have him for just 10 days, and in that short time they manage to kill him and desecrate his body.

10. fucking. days.

Poor, sweet little boy. And my heart goes out to bio-dad. Clearly, there was good reason for him to have custody.


RIP Ethan. x

AussieMum
May 12th, 2010, 05:53 AM
no matter how hard they thought it was to have this poor little boy with them, all they had to do was remind themselves he would be going back to his dad soon!! Surely that would get you through?? I don't understand!!

I mean did it really truely matter if say the little one didn't eat all his dinner (or whatever), coz by the sounds of it they probably aren't hands on parents so at the end of summer he goes back home were he had to eat his dinner.

It took just 10 days to kill him!!! They only got married 12 days ago!!! Bloody heck!!

LadyCygnet
May 12th, 2010, 09:52 AM
If they were having such a hard time taking care of him, why didn't they call his dad before things got out of hand so that he could go back home?

CplPunishment
May 12th, 2010, 10:06 AM
If they were having such a hard time taking care of him, why didn't they call his dad before things got out of hand so that he could go back home?

Because there azzhat criminal drug addict evil SOB's that don't deserve to live on tax payer's hard earned money. Death penalty for these 2 is the only way to go. Poor Dad back in Va., My heart goes out to the guy, I can only imagine.

ineedanap
May 12th, 2010, 10:38 AM
The couple was married only 10 days ago, when Ethan arrived in Utah to spend the summer with his mother, police said. His biological father is in Virginia. His name was not released by police.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=10621684

This poor kid last 10 fucking days in their care. I am sure his father is devastated.

mjmsepm
May 12th, 2010, 01:11 PM
its sad but the probably killed this boy the day he got there. the day the got married. I cant believe it takes that little for a penis to win yet again! He probably said something like "your not my daddy" and that SOB hurt him....RIP Ethan sorry you couldnt just stay with your daddy in VA.

Whisper
May 12th, 2010, 01:55 PM
this case reminds exactly as Robert Manwill that was murdered right after he arrived at his moms last summer to spend time with her and her hubby

Silvahalo
May 12th, 2010, 02:05 PM
This Sloop guy has a criminal record. I have to wonder if the bio-father was aware of his past. I mean I'm sending my kid off for the Summer to stay with his mom, I'm checking out the new penis she married.

I want to know what happened, 10 day, wtf? tho I can already figure the POS "mom" didn't protect her son from this asshole. She's charged with child abuse too so I'm assuming she didn't just sit back and watch but participated in abusing little Ethan. What a pathetic excuse for a mother. I hope they are both hung out to dry. This was her son, her baby and she helps with the process of eliminating and desecrating his body. I'd like to spit on her face for being so vile. Little Ethan would be starting school soon now he has lost all new starts. I fuckn hate these people. My condolences to bio-dad, what horrific news receive. Poor sweet Ethan, can only imagine his last moments.

Child killers really do come in all shapes, sizes and looks. By this picture I'd say they look like decent folk. Far from it.
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Now this picture is more like it...
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Nathan Sloop, 31, left, was charged with aggravated homicide in his stepson's death. He and the child's mother, Stephanie Sloop, 27, also were charged with child abuse, obstruction of justice and descecration of a corpse.

More pictures here (http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003426-2.html?tag=page) including her professed love for fuctard....gag.

link (http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/mother-stepfather-charged-in-death-of-ethan-stacy-in-utah/19474298)

AngelFire
May 12th, 2010, 02:08 PM
Ten days and now this child is dead??? That speaks volumes on the evil that is these two monsters. My heart goes out to the dad, can't and don't want to imagine his pain. What a sweet boy. My youngest is 5, and at that age they are just adorable, and so was Ethan.

Rest in peace sweet Ethan

Whisper
May 12th, 2010, 02:28 PM
Charges could be filed Wednesday in boy's murder case in Layton
LAYTON — Layton police were scheduled to meet at 2 p.m. Wednesday possibly to discuss charges with the Davis County Attorney against a couple accused of murdering their 4-year-old child and dumping his body in a remote area in Ogden Canyon.
When the officials meet, Nathan Sloop, 31, could face one additional charge. Police announced Tuesday afternoon that Sloop was arrested for investigation of aggravated homicide, felony child abuse, obstruction of justice and desecration of a corpse. Davis County Jail records Wednesday showed an additional arresting charge for investigation of damaging a jail added to his booking sheet.
Sloop is accused of murdering his 4-year-old stepson, Ethan Stacy. An autopsy was scheduled to be conducted Wednesday to determine how the boy died and possibly when.
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Stephanie Sloop was arrested for investigation of child abuse, obstruction of justice and desecration of a corpse.On their marriage certificate filed in early May in Davis County, her maiden name is listed as Stephanie Christina Croft Stacy. An Internet check of her background showed prior addresses in Las Vegas, Florida and Georgia. She does not have a criminal record in Utah.
However, Utah court records show Nathan Sloop has a criminal history in Utah. In 2003, he pleaded guilty to drug possession with intent to distribute, a charge that was amended from a felony to a misdemeanor. He was sentenced to 30 days in the Weber County Jail and put on probation. He was also found guilty of a separate misdemeanor drug possession charge about that same time. He was off probation at the time of his arrest Tuesday.
In 2001, Nathan Sloop was convicted of disorderly conduct and criminal mischief, and in a separate case a few months later, he was convicted again of disorderly conduct and failure to obey a peace officer, according to court records.
Police believe that after Ethan was killed, his body was driven to a remote area about 11 miles up Ogden Canyon, past Pineview Reservoir, about 200 yards off the main canyon road in a heavily wooded area close to a dirt access road owned by Powder Mountain Ski Resort.
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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700031731/Charges-could-be-filed-Wednesday-in-boys-murder-case-in-Layton.html?s_cid=rss-30

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Stephanie Sloop

Silvahalo
May 12th, 2010, 02:29 PM
Little Ethan you were likely happy to see your mom, spend the whole Summer with her. I can't imagine what went so wrong those last days. So sorry Ethan, that your life was stolen, taken so cruelly. I hope to see justice come for you but even then I will be saddened for all you have lost. The heavens are yours now, find peace in heavens light.
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cheeseburgersanchez
May 12th, 2010, 02:40 PM
What do you want to bet this was a plan they hatched to keep from having to pay child support? Just my two cents.

This little boy looks so much like my preschool little boyfriend. So sad....

AngelFire
May 12th, 2010, 02:43 PM
Another sweet face for my corkboard. I hate that I have so many bright, smiling faces on my corkboard, that will never smile again.

Tundratot
May 12th, 2010, 02:59 PM
My dear Lord, it's heartbreaking to imagine this little boy's excitement at seeing his mommy. He might even have been excited to have a new "daddy" or "uncle", although that's certainly debatable. Off on an adventure to see mommy and a wedding. . .

What a betrayal that his mommy didn't care more for him and abetted her new man in killing her son and hiding his body. Did she have so little love for him? Was he in her way on her honeymoon? If so, couldn't she have worked some other arrangement out with the father?

AngelFire
May 12th, 2010, 06:50 PM
I can't wait to see my little one and hug on him.

Whisper
May 12th, 2010, 06:51 PM
Anyone who followed Robert Manwills case will see how exact these 2 cases are right down to the judge order of making the boys visit mom for the summer!!
Police, family member say Va. judge ordered slain boy, 4, to spend summer in Utah with mother
SALT LAKE CITY - A custody fight in Virginia led to a judge's order that a 4-year-old boy spend the summer in Utah with his mother, who will be charged as an accomplice to the youngster's killing, police and a family member said Wednesday.
The biological father of Ethan Stacy received a full briefing on the slaying Wednesday, he told The Associated Press.
"I can't talk right now. I just got the horrible news, talking to prosecutors," said Joe G. Stacy of Tazewell, Va. "Right now is not the time."
The boy's body was desecrated and buried in a northern Utah canyon, where it was recovered Tuesday, police said.
The stepfather, Nathanael W. Sloop, 31, of Layton, is being held on suspicion of aggravated murder.
Sloop and the boy's mother, Stephanie Sloop, 27, face additional charges of desecration of a corpse, along with felony child abuse and obstruction of justice, police said.
The Deseret News of Salt Lake City quoted Joe Stacy's stepmother saying he was forced by a judge to give up the boy to his mother for a summer visit. Layton police provided a similar account, saying Ethan arrived in Utah May 1 "after divorce and custody issues were finalized."

Joe Stacy's stepmother, Freida Stacy, called Stephanie Sloop a "spiteful" woman intent on hurting her ex-husband. The AP has not been able to reach family members of Stephanie Sloop.

"She was just an evil person. There is evil in the world, and she is that," Freida Stacy told the Salt Lake City newspaper. She did not immediately return a message from the AP.

"I don't think she cared anything for that little boy. I think she did anything she could to irritate" Joe Stacy, his stepmother said.

Prosecutors said they would file charges Friday against Nathanael and Stephanie Sloop. They have said that Nathanael Sloop was responsible for the boy's killing, but they didn't say how. Stephanie Sloop was involved in trying to cover up the crime, police said.
[...]http://www.startribune.com/nation/93628364.html

AngelFire
May 12th, 2010, 06:56 PM
PLlcae both of them hogged tied, and leave them in the middle of a prairie to die.

Whisper
May 12th, 2010, 07:13 PM
Sloop's Mother: There's more to this story
SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) - The mother of accused murder suspect Nathan Sloop spoke to ABC 4 and says there's more to this story than meets the eye. "I'm shocked, I mean I would never taken these two people have done what they're accused of doing," Pam Sloop told ABC 4 earlier in an exclusive interview.
Newlyweds Nathan and Stephanie Sloop are accused of killing then trying to cover up the murder of Stephanie's 4-year-old son, Ethan on Tuesday. The couple initially called police to tell them that Ethan had wandered away before dawn, but by dusk Ethan's body was found nearly 30 miles away by Powder Mountain.
"I'm certainly still holding onto a thread of hope that it didn't go down as it appears but at the same time these were two people who were not vicious to children," said Pam Sloop, who continued and added that the couple was grateful to have found one another and were very much in love.
Pictures from the couple's wedding website indicate two people very excited about the future and their lives together. Pam says she knows they are upset by the events of the past 48 hours, "I know they're both devestated by what happened and great regret".
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AngelFire
May 12th, 2010, 07:18 PM
I'm certainly still holding onto a thread of hope that it didn't go down as it appears but at the same time these were two people who were not vicious to children," said Pam Sloop, who continued and added that the couple was grateful to have found one another

Pam Sloop, I also hope Spring is eternal. Idiot

DingDang
May 12th, 2010, 08:02 PM
Sloop's Mother: There's more to this story

Oh, I'm sure there's more, and it will all come out in the wash. When 'more' comes to light, I'd bet my next paycheck it won't be the revelation that these two are walking angels on earth, sent directly by the lord...or whatever bullshit she's hoping for.

Whisper
May 12th, 2010, 08:49 PM
Documents describe death, burial of boy in Utah
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - Police records say the Utah man arrested in the death of a 4-year-old boy beat him for days before the child died, then used a hammer to disfigure his face and teeth.
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Detectives say Stacy's stepfather, 31-year-old Nathanael Sloop, buried him Sunday in a northern Utah canyon. Stacy's body was unearthed by searchers Tuesday.

Sloop is being held on suspicion of aggravated murder. He and Stacy's mother, 27-year-old Stephanie Sloop, also face charges of desecration of a corpse, felony child abuse and obstruction of justice. Charges are expected to be filed Friday.

The documents say the Sloops found Stacy dead in his bed on Sunday and made a plan to dispose of the body.http://www.wric.com/global/story.asp?s=12473072


OMG cant we just throw them into Time Square and see how long it takes to shred their bodies
Now we see the "desectration of corpse"

this is going badly
May 12th, 2010, 08:56 PM
This is one of the few times I have lookd at mug shots and thought, OMG, they look so NORMAL!

Whisper
May 12th, 2010, 08:59 PM
While Nathan and Stephanie Sloop married, battered 4-year-old was home locked in his room, police say
LAYTON — On May 6, Nathan and Stephanie Sloop went to the Davis County Courthouse to get married.
What no one in the courtroom could have imagined was that while the Sloops were being joined in holy matrimony, Stephanie Sloop's 4-year-old son was locked in a bedroom in their home. The Sloops were afraid to take Ethan Stacy out in public because of severe head injuries allegedly inflicted by Nathan in what jail records described as a "systematic and progressively more violent pattern of abuse toward Ethan."
The injuries to Ethan's face were so significant that the Sloops "were afraid to take him out in public with the swelling and bruising to his face and that someone would call police," according to documents released Wednesday by the Davis County Jail.
While the Sloops were getting married, Nathan "removed the door handle from the bedroom" to keep Ethan locked inside.
Joe G. Stacy said never wanted to send his 4-year-old son to Utah.

But following his custody fight, a judge ordered summer visitation with the boy's mother and he had to comply, said Freida Stacy, Joe Stacy's stepmother.
Joe absolutely did not want him to go (to Utah), and she threatened to sue him for kidnapping, threatened him with this and that. He had no choice," Freida Stacy told the Deseret News.
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"Ethan did not want to go. Ethan did not want to even talk to (his mother Stephanie Sloop) on the phone. She'd call and he'd say, 'I don't want to talk to her,' Freida Stacy said from her home in Hurley, Va.
"She was just an evil person. There is evil in the world, and she is that."
Joe Stacy received a full briefing about his son's death Wednesday.
"I can't talk right now. I just got the horrible news, talking to prosecutors," the Tazewell, Va., man said. "Right now is not the time."
After speaking with her stepson, Freida Stacy said he was "not good" since receiving the news about Ethan.
Prosecutors planned to hold a news conference Friday to announce formal charges against the Sloops. Davis County Attorney Troy Rawlings said his office was still waiting Wednesday for the autopsy report on Ethan, as well as compiling additional evidence from Layton police.

A judge Wednesday denied bail for Nathan Sloop and set $100,000 bail for Stephanie Sloop. He was booked into the Davis County Jail for investigation of aggravated murder. Both were also booked for investigation of child abuse, obstruction of justice and desecration of a corpse.
[...]
Investigators have not yet revealed a possible cause of death or motive in the case.
When prosecutors meet, Nathan Sloop could face an additional charge. Jail records indicate he was also booked for investigation of damaging a jail. Police say he damaged a holding cell door Tuesday at the Layton Police Department.
Ethan's biological parents, Joe Stacy and Stephanie Sloop, were married in Florida and lived there and in Georgia. Ethan was the only child they had together.
Freida Stacy called Ethan a "loving little boy who could have accomplished anything. He was a go-getter."
But she believes Stephanie Sloop used the 4-year-old boy as a pawn to hurt her ex-husband.
[...]
The wedding announcement page on the Internet for Stephanie and Nathan Sloop talks about love and being soul mates. The page at www.theknot.com contains photos of the couple and an announcement that they planned to either get married or hold a wedding reception on July 4.
A marriage certificate for the couple, however, indicates they were married last week on May 6 in a civil ceremony in Davis County.
On the page, Nathan Sloop wrote that he and Stephanie had known each other since childhood but only recently began dating. They dated while he was going through a divorce in which he claimed his child was being "kidnapped and being in the middle of a vicious divorce," he wrote.
Nathan Sloop called his relationship with Stephanie a "match made in heaven" and wrote that she was the "woman of his dreams." He described himself as having a "fast thinking brain" and said she respected his "bad boy side."

"I Would Do Anything for her. Fight for Her. Kill for Her. Live for Her!! Die for Her!!," he wrote.
In her comments, she wrote when they first started dating, "We began with full disclosure so that way our exes couldn't try and use things against us," she wrote. "Someone else's garbage is now my treasure," and "Though I loved my ex, we just weren't meant to fit together like Nathan and I do."
She wrote she had complications during surgery while pregnant with twins, but does not say what happened to the twins.
The couple has been together since October, according to their wedding announcement. A reception was to have been held in Golden, Colo., at the home of one of Nathan Sloop's relatives.
former neighbor told the Deseret News that just days ago she saw the Sloops, including Ethan, return to Nathan Sloop's Roy house, which is now up for sale, to move some more items.
[..]
Phillips, who admitted her family had an often-confrontational relationship with Nathan Sloop, described him as "unpredictable," and said "you never knew which way he would blow."
The house on 2200 West in Roy is up for sale and his realtor said Nathan and Stephanie Sloop moved sometime before the house was put up for sale in March because they were seeking a new job in Denver.
[...]
In 2001, he was convicted of disorderly conduct and criminal mischief, and in a separate case a few months later, he was convicted again of disorderly conduct and failure to obey a peace officer, according to court records.
Police believe that after Ethan was killed, his body was driven to a remote area about 11 miles up Ogden Canyon, past Pineview Reservoir, about 200 yards off the main canyon road in a heavily wooded area close to a dirt access road owned by Powder Mountain Ski Resort.
During initial interviews, police noted inconsistencies in the parents' stories and information gathered from further interviews with both parents led police to search the site near Powder Mountain, according to a police report. The interviews also revealed indications of physical abuse, the report states.http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700031731/While-Nathan-and-Stephanie-Sloop-married-battered-4-year-old-was-home-locked-in-his-room-police-say.html?pg=1

Whisper
May 12th, 2010, 09:01 PM
This is one of the few times I have lookd at mug shots and thought, OMG, they look so NORMAL!
Im out of thanks
They do look normal but monsters do I guess

LadyCygnet
May 12th, 2010, 10:02 PM
I don't think they look normal, but that's just me. In all of his pictures, he seems to carry himself like a narcissistic douchebag, and she looks like a clueless twit.

Were it my daughter in that situation, I wouldn't be marrying him. The minute he laid a hand on my child in violence would be the minute I broke it. I played that game before I met my ex and had my daughter, and I won't ever play it again, especially since I have her health and safety in my hands. Lovers are replaceable--my daughter isn't.

Silvahalo
May 12th, 2010, 10:15 PM
Oh, my this is heart breaking! father didn't want to send Ethan but had to as per Judge's orders, (wtf the judge wasn't aware of asshole's criminal past?), and little Ethan didn't want to see mom, didn't even want to talk to her on the phone! I feel so bad for little Ethan how he was made to go and how awful that his feelings of hurt and resentment turned to an unbelievable nightmare that took his life.....it's just to much, last days of hell for Ethan.

Joe G. Stacy said never wanted to send his 4-year-old son to Utah.

But following his custody fight, a judge ordered summer visitation with the boy's mother and he had to comply, said Freida Stacy, Joe Stacy's stepmother.
Joe absolutely did not want him to go (to Utah), and she threatened to sue him for kidnapping, threatened him with this and that. He had no choice," Freida Stacy told the Deseret News.

"Ethan did not want to go. Ethan did not want to even talk to (his mother Stephanie Sloop) on the phone. She'd call and he'd say, 'I don't want to talk to her,'....
I really do feel for dad I do, but I still wonder did NO ONE bring up this assholes past? really, fuckity, this is a child's well being we are talking about. And if it was addressed how the hell does a judge order such a thing when a child wants nothing to do with mommy dearest? Cases like this is when I say, hello, anybody home? this is a person, sure, he's 4 yo but give his feelings some value, give the child some respect for crying out loud. It's NOT in the best interest of a child being forced to visit a parent when there is good cause to be resentful. I bet he was feeling abandoned by mom probably betrayed, little Ethan needed patience and understanding not a Summer stay with bitch mom who apparently needed an 8x8 cell!

My deepest sympathies to father and family...so sorry little Ethan.:dong:

Lizard
May 12th, 2010, 10:37 PM
Jesus, please don't tell me it's going to get even WORSE! The poor kid was locked in a room while Mom and Stepfucker got married because of his bruises. So, he gets there, says, "Hi, Mom," and stepdad-about-to-be slugs him?

coffee achiever
May 12th, 2010, 10:46 PM
Why in God's name would a judge have ordered Ethan to go spend an entire summer with his mother, with whom he had no relationship and who had shown no interest in parenting him?

That judge is EVERY BIT as culpable for Ethan's death as douchebag stepdaddy.

Ninja0980
May 12th, 2010, 11:43 PM
Why in God's name would a judge have ordered Ethan to go spend an entire summer with his mother, with whom he had no relationship and who had shown no interest in parenting him?

That judge is EVERY BIT as culpable for Ethan's death as douchebag stepdaddy.

Because of this idea that a child always needs both parents in their lives, no matter how bad one is. I love how anti-father sites (some of you know the ones I'm talking about) slam judges when they force children to visit the big bad dads. I wonder if they'll mention this sad case?

MadeaBecBec
May 12th, 2010, 11:49 PM
Nathan Sloop looks like Tyson Chamberlains(8 mo old Easton Lees murderer, AZ) brother, that gives me the creeps, big time!!


Probable cause statements filed with the Davis County Jail indicate Ethan died on Sunday, May 9th as a result of abuse going back at least five days prior. The abuse detailed in the documents is graphic and includes allegations of Nathan physically striking the boy, burning him with scalding water and forcing him to eat feces.

The booking statements also say Nathan and Stephanie locked Ethan in a room of their apartment at 586 North 1425 West in Layton on May 6th, leaving him alone there while they went to the Farmington Courthouse to be married.

.....the booking documents say Nathan Sloop almost immediately began to discipline Ethan by beating him about the head and neck, causing severe swelling.


When Ethan began showing symptoms of brain injuries, including fevers and vomiting, the Sloops reportedly forced Ethan to drink roughly 40 ounces of liquid over a one-to-two hour period in an effort to rehydrate him.


"Stephanie also told us that both she and Nate gave Ethan Motrin and Benadryl, to help with the swelling, and that Nate gave Ethan the Benadryl to keep Ethan quiet," one of the affidavits states. "Stephanie again told us that she knew that Ethan needed medical attention, but did not get it for him."


On May 7th, Nathan allegedly called Stephanie while she was shopping and told her that Ethan had burned himself while taking a bath. She returned home to find feces in his mouth, then proceeded to brush his mouth clean with enough force to make his gums bleed.

During further interviews, Stephanie reported told police that she had purchased lighter fluid at Nathan's request because he'd wanted to burn the remains. He's said to have "brought Mrs. Sloop to the site to say her good-byes" after wrapping Ethan's body in plastic garbage bags.
http://www.knrs.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=171160&article=7110952

Ethan, precious Ethan, died on Mother's Day!! Egg donor fights Ethans real and loving Father for custody, receives visitation for the summer, but can't fight for Ethans life for NINE days??? Dear God, get to dropping them stones, will ya?
A match made in "Hell" for Ethan, this union was.........

OMalley
May 13th, 2010, 12:15 AM
OMG, this is so horrible. The more we find out, the worse it is.

How could that BITCH let her husband do such horrible things? Apparently she had no motherly feelings towards the boy but MY GOD! What kind of a person would stand by while ANY child was being tortured like that? She IS evil!

That poor baby... My condolences to Ethan's family. This is so much more than they should have to deal with. I hope that evil woman and her sicko husband both fry.

Whisper
May 13th, 2010, 12:29 AM
Ethan Stacy's dad: 'I just wanted him to grow up ... where it was safe'
Murder » The boy, 4, was ordered by the court to spend the summer with his mother
Joe Stacy didn't want to send his son to Utah for a summer-long visit with his mother. He worried she was too unstable to care for him, but a court order in their divorce left him no choice.
"I just wanted him to grow up where his daddy grew up, in a small town in the mountains," he said Wednesday from Virginia. "Where it was safe."
Instead, 4-year-old Ethan Stacy will return to the town of Richlands for his burial, just more than two weeks after Joe Stacy watched his ex-wife walk away with the boy to whom he had dedicated his life. Ethan's body was found Tuesday buried in a shallow grave off a muddy trailhead near Powder Mountain ski resort. Layton police suspect his stepfather, Nathan Sloop, killed him and his mother, Stephanie Sloop, tried to cover it up.
"He was the best little boy that you'd ever meet; he really was. He was a very lovable child, and that's all he wanted, was to love on people all the time," Joe Stacy said through tears. "He was a great boy, and even if he was a bad boy, he didn't deserve this, nobody deserves this, but he was just a good, sweet boy."
'I didn't have any choice' » Ethan's parents finalized their divorce April 28 in Florida, where they lived during their five-year marriage.
After signing the papers, Joe Stacy, 35, went to Virginia, his childhood home he had returned to in December. Ethan and Stephanie Stacy, 27, boarded a plane bound for Utah, where she had moved to after a brief stay in Las Vegas.

"I did not want him to go, and he didn't want to go at all. He kept telling me he didn't want to go," Stacy said. "I didn't have any choice, I had to send him. The type of person she was, had I kept him and didn't send him out there, she would have turned around and filed contempt of court charges against me."
But that doesn't make it any easier to grapple with the fact he won't be going to the park every day or playing Spider-Man on the PlayStation 3 with a boy who was "way, way ahead" of his peers and able to pick up on new skills after being shown just once.
Stacy had called his son every day since he came to Utah, and Stephanie Sloop often would call her ex-husband to complain about the boy's behavior, Stacy said. But starting May 5 -- the day charging documents say Nathan Sloop, 31, began abusing Ethan -- his ex-wife kept coming up with reasons the boy couldn't talk to his father. The last call Stacy made was Monday, when Nathan Sloop gave another reason why the boy couldn't talk to his father, Stacy said.
"I never did get a call back," he said.

Parting ways » Stacy said he wanted to keep Ethan away from his mother, whom he called a "pathological liar," but while the court made the oil-rig worker the custodial parent, it also granted summer visitation to Stephanie Sloop.
As part of their divorce, Stacy retained custody as long as he paid her half of a settlement from a pending injury lawsuit he had filed about 18 months ago.
"I would have given her all of it if it meant I was able to keep my son with me," he said.
In the months since their separation, Stacy said Nathan Sloop would send him text messages, some violent.
"I had been threatened over the past six months by him," Stacy said.
Freida Stacy, Ethan's grandmother, said Stephanie Sloop tried to "stir up trouble" several times for her stepson.
"The only reason she wanted [Ethan] was she thought, 'This is how I'm going to get back at Joe,'" Freida Stacy said. "It was like Ethan was just a pawn."
Nathan Sloop has a history of drug convictions and other crimes dating back to 2000. Most recently, he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor possession of a controlled substance in 2003.
Joe Stacy had met the man face-to-face only once, for about 30 minutes when Stacy flew to Utah to pick up a vehicle from his ex-wife.
"I had really mixed feelings about him," Stacy said. "I didn't know what to believe with him."
Newlyweds » The Sloops planned to wed July 4 in Colorado, according to their wedding website and gift registries, but instead they married Thursday at the Farmington Courthouse. The Sloops had met when they were both in their early teens, but they didn't really connect until October.
"Instead of provoking my Bad Boy side, she respects it," Nathan Sloop wrote on the site. "She doesn't try and provoke me to protect her, but rather she loves me in ways I couldn't even ask her to do."
Stephanie Sloop wrote of losing twins she was pregnant with in December, and that Nathan Sloop had saved her life twice during that time.
"Even though I lost the babies we planned to have, it saved my life," she wrote. "You can always have more children, but Nathan couldn't replace me."
Calls to the couple's family were not returned Wednesday.
Unraveling the ruse » Stephanie Sloop called police just before midnight Monday, saying her son had wandered off and she couldn't find him. More than 40 officers scoured the area around their apartment at 1425 N. 500 West in Layton before the couple's stories had enough discrepancies that they were brought in for further questioning. Eventually, Stephanie Sloop told investigators Ethan died Sunday. Soon after, they learned the location of a makeshift burial site near Powder Mountain, said Lt. Garret Atkin of the Layton Police Department.

Officers walked the trail, digging in the mud as snow and rain fell, and recovered Ethan's body about 5 p.m. Tuesday.

The Davis County Attorney's Office plans to announce charges against the couple Friday morning. Both are expected to face charges of child abuse, obstruction of justice and abuse or desecration of a human body. Nathan Sloop also may be charged with aggravated murder and damaging a jail.
[...]
"They are going to send him back home and I'm getting his funeral arrangements ready here," his father said. "I know things are going to get even tougher when he comes home." http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15074193?source=rss



I really hope he doesnt insisit on viewing him when his remains are returned

Whisper
May 13th, 2010, 01:14 AM
OMFG when I think it cant get worse it does
He fucking burned the child on top of everything else!

Documents detail Ethan Stacy's horrific final days
Layton Police » Beaten and burned 4-year-old was left alone while couple went to wed.
[...]
Police documents released Wednesday detail the last days in the life of the boy whose body was found Tuesday buried near Powder Mountain.
On May 5, Ethan's eventual stepfather, Nathan Sloop, took the boy into a bedroom, closed the door and began slapping him and beating him around the head and face, according to an interview with the boy's mother, Stephanie Sloop, in police documents. When she walked in afterward, she saw Ethan's face was swelling and he needed medical attention, but she did not seek help, according to the probable cause statement filed by arresting Layton police officers.[...]
During the next three days, Ethan would not eat, was lethargic, had a fever and was vomiting. The couple forced the boy to drink water, Kool-Aid and orange juice. They gave him Benadryl and Motrin to take down the swelling and subdue him, but did not seek medical attention, Stephanie Sloop said.
On Friday, Stephanie Sloop returned to their Layton apartment after shopping
at Wal-Mart to find the boy was badly burned on his feet and legs from an overly hot bath. Nathan Sloop told her it was an accident. She said she did not believe him but still did not seek medical help because her husband would hurt her, the documents state.
She said Ethan was asleep in bed when she checked on him at 3 a.m. Sunday. She went to the pharmacy for a prescription for her husband, and when she returned at 5:30 a.m. that Mother's Day, he told her Ethan was dead. She said she did not call police then because her husband told her he would go to prison because of the bruises on the boy's body.
Instead, they took his body to an area near Powder Mountain and made efforts to disfigure the body in an apparent attempt to delay identification. After Nathan Sloop buried Ethan, he guided Stephanie Sloop to the grave to say her last goodbyes. http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15074629?source=rss

cheeseburgersanchez
May 13th, 2010, 01:54 AM
"I couldn't protect my child, because my husband would have hurt me". Why is it that their lives are so much more important than the lives of their child? I would be willing to take a beating to save the life of a child that wasn't mine, but she is too important to step in and, you know, be a mother....

guillotinegirl
May 13th, 2010, 02:01 AM
Oh, it keeps getting worse, too. That bastard Sloop apparently "used a hammer to disfigure his face and teeth before burying his body in the mountains."

What a sickening final act to perform. That's obviously where the desecration of a corpse charge comes from.

My heart goes out to the father. The whole story is so tragic.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100513/ap_on_re_us/us_missing_boy_utah;_ylt=Al8TOSP2.jjXihMq0ujT1ays0 NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNudWo2MTNkBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwNTEzL 3VzX21pc3NpbmdfYm95X3V0YWgEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXI EY3BvcwM0BHBvcwMxBHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5faGVhZ GxpbmVfbGlzdARzbGsDcG9saWNldXRhaG1h

Tundratot
May 13th, 2010, 03:56 AM
Between May 5-8, Ethan "exhibited signs and symptoms of a possible head injury or brain swelling due to a head injury," Stephanie Sloop told police Tuesday while being interviewed about her son's death. Ethan did not eat well, was vomiting, lethargic and exhibited non-responsive behavior, according to the reports.

"Stephanie told us she never got medical attention for Ethan, even though she knew that medical attention was needed," detectives wrote.

Stephanie took cell phone pictures documenting the increased swelling. Police say Nathan Sloop originally told them it was due to a peanut allergy.

On the day after the wedding, Stephanie Sloop said her new husband called her while she was shopping to say that Ethan had burned himself in a hot tub of water. When she returned, she said Ethan was badly burned on his feet, legs and buttocks and she believed Nathan Sloop intentionally burned him, the affidavit states.

She also told police she noticed feces in the child's mouth and she brushed his mouth until his gums bled. The next day, she said, Ethan had smeared his feces on the bathroom walls and on his step-father and she found feces in his mouth again, detectives wrote.http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700031731/While-Nathan-and-Stephanie-Sloop-married-battered-4-year-old-was-home-locked-in-his-room-police-say.html?pg=1

Okay, I'm officially ready to kill these two dung beetles myself. She knew Nathan did this and she documented it! But she just kept on loving him and married him a day or two later?! Oh, yeah, it's that "Bad Boy side" she loves so much!

And what's his excuse for all this activity? The little boy looked at him wrong? Wouldn't call him "Daddy"? Was a sullen and angry little boy? What!?

It's making me psychotic. Nothing would be cruel and unusual enough to serve these two puss bags justice!

backlash
May 13th, 2010, 08:16 AM
Fuck. I hate people.

AussieMum
May 13th, 2010, 08:33 AM
OMG he was in a loving home and was sent by a judge to be tortured to death. He probably welcome death!!

How could anyone do such horrid stuff to a sweet innocent little boy????

And I'm just completely lost for words as to why they wanted him to come stay with them in the first place!!!!!

koochie
May 13th, 2010, 08:54 AM
this poor baby boy..i cant read anymore.....rest in peace sweet angel, my heart breaks for the suffering those monsters put you through nobody should ever have to endure this.

Ninja0980
May 13th, 2010, 09:58 AM
There better be murder charges against mom too. She took part in some of the abuse and then to top it off, got lighter fluid to burn her own child's body so it couldn't be identified!
And as for her excuse that she feared being beaten, I'm sorry if it offends anyone but I'm tired of hearing that excuse when a woman stands by or partakes in the beating and murder of her children or other acts of violence. Fear of being killed is why many people stay in abusive relationships but with a gun to my head.. I could not stand by while my child was being tortured and beaten to death.

Jaded
May 13th, 2010, 10:05 AM
I've front paged this one....

http://www.dreamindemon.com/2010/05/13/mom-and-step-father-charged-in-ethan-stacys-death/

Justice for Ethan Stacy on Facebook, you can join here....

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=122374551115521&v=info

This shit made me fucking sick to my stomach. I wish to fucking hell those two could be forced to endure the same torture Ethan endured in that short period of time.

ineedanap
May 13th, 2010, 10:21 AM
Investigators said they obtained photographs and video images of Ethan's worsening condition from his mother's cell phone, starting more than a week ago.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/12/utah-man-beat-stepson-death-disfigured-dim-police-say/?test=latestnews

Sometimes, you just have to be thankful for stupid.

LestYeBeJudged
May 13th, 2010, 10:34 AM
I have to wonder if he rushed the marriage hoping new wifey would refuse to testify against him.

Tundratot
May 13th, 2010, 02:51 PM
Their little smarmy wedding website and pictures makes me ill. No way was she afraid of him. She's just working the system at this point. I hope her deal with the prosecution leaves her in prison for the rest of her fertile life. I hope his sentence is death by head trauma, and scalding.

Love the "Bad Boy" !?! Get over it, you sickening tramp.

AngelFire
May 13th, 2010, 06:29 PM
I just have to believe with all my heart that there is a place worse than any hell we can imagine for human garbage like these two. Pure evil, selfish evil cunt that Stephanie. Nathan is the devil's turd, evil disgusting piece of shit.

As we continue to read more and more details of this lil boy's last days with the cum bucket and her pencil dick husband, the more homicidal thoughts keep creeping in my mind. I couldn't see myself killing a living being, let alone a small child. But I can see myself killing these two with no remorse. I could easily slit their throats and then go out for a steak dinner. That's how much I hate these monsters. A union only made in hell, and brought into the life of a once safe, and happy little guy.

May the devil feast on your fucking flesh, and you feel each rip of your skin. I hate the fact that we are breathing, and sharing the same Earth. You both should be 6 feet under, but not before suffering the most gruesome of deaths, just as you did this angel child.

Whisper
May 13th, 2010, 06:34 PM
I hope so
We have seen evil cases here before but this really kicked me in the gut
I remember my son at that age and I cant in a million years imagine anyone hurting him
I would kill them before they touched him

Whisper
May 13th, 2010, 07:02 PM
Mother, stepfather in Ethan Stacy murder case interrogated at jail
Early Thursday Morning
FARMINGTON, Utah - Layton police detectives interrogated the mother and stepfather at the Davis County Jail Thursday morning in connection with the murder of 4-year-old Ethan Stacy. The interrogation of Nathanael and Stephanie Sloop comes after the release of probable cause statements Wednesday evening that outline a pattern of abuse, alleging Ethan was severely beaten until he died. Police have accused the couple of burying the body near Powder Mountain Resort found Tuesday in a shallow grave.
One of the probable cause statements made reference to a man named Frank who may have had some role in the burial of Ethan. Layton police said they have tracked the man down. Lt. Garret Atkin says he is not sure of the exact name of the man.
"I don't know whether that was his actual name, but there was another person that they wanted to talk to with in conjuction to this, but as far as I've been told, that is not somebody they're interested in anymore," said Atkin.
Davis County prosecutors are screening the case and are expected to file formal criminal charges on Friday. Nathanael Sloop has been denied bail from a judge and is expected to face an aggravated murder charge. The bail for Stephanie Sloop is set at $100,000 cash and she is expected to face a child abuse and desecration of corpse charge.http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-mother-stepfather-ethan-stacy-interrogated-jail,0,5239912.story

So A Third Person Is Out There,Amazing How Many Evil People There Are,No Doubt A Drinking Or Drug Buddy Of The Killers

AngelFire
May 13th, 2010, 07:12 PM
I just for once, wish that the courts would take into consideration the child's feelings. Isn't a four year old human, and have rights? Let's hear the child, and let's see what this child has to say. If he is refusing to go with his mother, instead of sending him away with her, have her first start with supervised visits.Let's see how the child reacts.

Shit listen to the kid for once. Had anyone given a fuck about this child's well being, they would have listened to him. Is that so fucking hard to do? My 5 year old can easily tell me how he feels. He can tell me if he is sad, and why makes him feel that way....LISTEN TO THE CHILDREN. For fuck sake listen.

This judge handed this child a death sentence because he wanted to act like some sort of family law hero, and all he did was sent him to be slaughtered. I can't begin to describe the level of anger that this story and all the details have done to me, to many of us here. It's unfuckingbelievable that this tragedy could have very well been prevented.

redsaid
May 13th, 2010, 07:43 PM
"It's unfuckingbelievable that this tragedy could have very well been prevented. "
May I respectfully add It's unfuckingbelievable that every one of these tragedies could have very well been prevented.

LadyCygnet
May 13th, 2010, 08:32 PM
I just for once, wish that the courts would take into consideration the child's feelings. Isn't a four year old human, and have rights? Let's hear the child, and let's see what this child has to say. If he is refusing to go with his mother, instead of sending him away with her, have her first start with supervised visits.Let's see how the child reacts.

Shit listen to the kid for once. Had anyone given a fuck about this child's well being, they would have listened to him. Is that so fucking hard to do? My 5 year old can easily tell me how he feels. He can tell me if he is sad, and why makes him feel that way....LISTEN TO THE CHILDREN. For fuck sake listen.

This judge handed this child a death sentence because he wanted to act like some sort of family law hero, and all he did was sent him to be slaughtered. I can't begin to describe the level of anger that this story and all the details have done to me, to many of us here. It's unfuckingbelievable that this tragedy could have very well been prevented.

The egg donor probably sold the judge a sob story about Ethan's dad trying to turn Ethan against her.

Lizard
May 13th, 2010, 11:19 PM
I'm really pissed. Jaded posted a link to an Ethan FB page, which I joined, and then someone else posted a link to another Ethan FB page, which I also joined. However, THIS page's author is misrepresenting the case, saying his "mother murdered him." Further, he/she says that the Sloops confessed because they "felt guilty."

What happened to this child is so fucking horrific, and then to have someone not even accurately describing how he died or how his killer(s) came to be arrested makes my blood FUCKING BOIL. I've made posts on the site complaining and linking to Jaded's FP post, but all have been deleted. Help me out, D'Ders.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Remembrance-of-Ethan-Stacy/116369541732606

Jaded
May 13th, 2010, 11:58 PM
Someone must be watching that page like a hawk....my comment was deleted within seconds. Thanks for the info, Lizard.

I believe a family member is running the page that I linked here and on the front page...they have a few personal pics of Ethan and his daddy.

Lizard
May 14th, 2010, 12:06 AM
Someone must be watching that page like a hawk....my comment was deleted within seconds. Thanks for the info, Lizard.

I believe a family member is running the page that I linked here and on the front page...they have a few personal pics of Ethan and his daddy.

Agree. That page is wonderful. This other one has me so pissed off the top of my head is about to blow off. To merely say that his "mother murdered him" so diminishes what Ethan went through--and what his fucking cumbucket of a "mother" allowed and perpetrated herself--makes me start looking for weapons and planning road trips.

Jaded
May 14th, 2010, 12:10 AM
And I just noticed that the tard page has swiped a good number of pictures from the other page.

Meh...I sent 'em another link. Wonder how long it will take for this one to disappear.

thequeenofsorrow
May 14th, 2010, 12:17 AM
I thought the comments were deleted too but they're under the "others" section. But FFS fix the damn description! Dummies.

I am so sad for this dad. I think if it were me I would have just disappeared with my kid before I sent him somewhere he didn't want to go with someone i didn't like plus her new man.

mystery
May 14th, 2010, 12:22 AM
Agree. That page is wonderful. This other one has me so pissed off the top of my head is about to blow off. To merely say that his "mother murdered him" so diminishes what Ethan went through--and what his fucking cumbucket of a "mother" allowed and perpetrated herself--makes me start looking for weapons and planning road trips.

Can I come too,Lizard?:argh:

Lizard
May 14th, 2010, 12:23 AM
Can I come too,Lizard?:argh:

Bring liquor and ammunition. I'll PM you the pick-up time.

mystery
May 14th, 2010, 12:27 AM
Bring liquor and ammunition. I'll PM you the pick-up time.

will jack and jim do? how about a getting some boiling water so we can burn them like they did to poor Ethan?

thequeenofsorrow
May 14th, 2010, 12:29 AM
Someone responded to mine LOL


Vania Parry-Schmidt Please read The Probable Cause Affidavits. They did confess! She played more of the blame game but did state that she knew what had happened,

Lizard
May 14th, 2010, 01:07 AM
Someone responded to mine LOL

,

Yeah, they CONFESSED. But feeling guilty? Fat fucking chance.

Silvahalo
May 14th, 2010, 01:40 AM
The pieceofshit parading as a mother needs a death sentence along with this bastard. Had she 1 ounce of motherly instinct, she would have beat the brains out of this fucker with a frying pan!!

In recent events with Dominic Calhoun, Leon Walker, and now Ethan Stacy's case, my heart is never going to be the same again. Ever.

So sorry little Ethan. :dong:

Tundratot
May 14th, 2010, 02:36 AM
I've noticed a new pattern that I'd overlooked before. The "midnight run to the pharmacy while the significant other kills the kid" pattern. Why the frick do these baby killing dung beetles need someone else to run their errands? Too weak and woozy? But not so weak and woozy they can't muster the energy to beat on the kid some more -- when the kid is sleeping or should be.

Tundratot
May 14th, 2010, 02:46 AM
When "Ghost," one of Nathan Sloop's multiple personalities, took over, he flew into frightening rages and took offense at "any perceived slight or criticism," according to a protective order filed by his former wife.

Jennifer Freeman, of Orlando, Fla., didn't want to leave their 5-year-old daughter alone with him.

"He is too unstable and might hurt [their daughter] to get back at me,"she wrote in a petition for a protective order filed in the Ninth Judicial Circuit Court of Florida and obtained by The Salt Lake Tribune . About a month after the judge finalized a protective order against him, Sloop's new fiance, Stephanie, brought her 4-year-old son Ethan to live with them in Utah for the summer.

. . .

They are not allowed near other inmates and are being held alone in cells 23 hours a day, allowed out only to shower and exercise, jail officers said.

Carla Jones, a former friend of Stephanie Sloop from when she lived in Florida, said that last week she received "a few" messages from Stephanie Sloop, but she did not return them because she "was sick of the drama."

"You carry a lot of guilt around when someone calls you hysterical and you don't call them back, but she had cried wolf one too many times," Jones said. "Had I ever known they would have done this to Ethan, I would have intervened."

According to divorce papers, Sloop was abusive in his first marriage. He and Freeman married in 1999 in Florida, when he was 20 and she was 19. The couple moved to Utah and bought a house in Roy. When she got pregnant in 2004, he insisted she stay at home with the child.

He exerted an "unreasonable" and "unhealthy level of control" over her, Freeman claimed in divorce papers. He hit and slapped her, pulled her hair and pushed her into walls, Freeman said. She left him in October 2007 and took their daughter to her parents' home in Florida, according to court papers.

. . .

In court filings, Nathan Sloop denied abusing her and denied being diagnosed with a mental illness other than obsessive compulsive disorder. No domestic violence charges were filed against him in Utah.

In the settlement, the couple shared custody, with the girl designated to spend summers and half of holidays with her father and live the rest of the year with her mother in Florida.

About a year after the divorce was finalized, Freeman filed for a protective order, quoting from a 1½-hour stream of threatening voice mails Sloop had left on Sept. 2 for both Freeman and her boyfriend.

"I don't give a f--- if I gotta spend the rest of my life in f------ prison, f--- you, I'm coming for your f------ throat," he told her, according to the filing.

"I believe he has the ability to carry out these threats," she wrote.

. . .

Carla Jones said she befriended Stephanie Sloop five years ago when she came to the Florida doctor's office where Jones worked. Jones watched Ethan while his mother had her appointments.

She said their families would have dinner at each other's homes and hang out a lot. When Stephanie left, Carla and her family did their best to be supportive and kept doing activities with Ethan and Joe Stacy before they moved to Virginia.

"We were friends until Stephanie went off the deep end and abandoned Joe and Ethan," Jones said. "It was always all about Stephanie." http://www.sltrib.com/ci_15083168?source=pkg

Multiple personalities, obsessive compulsive disorder, history of domestic violence. The first wife had it right -- get away fast, get a protective order, and a divorce. Lucky her daughter didn't get sent to the Sloop house of horrors.

Lizard
May 14th, 2010, 03:13 AM
Fucking GREAT. Multiple personalities. Isn't that HANDY?

Marv
May 14th, 2010, 04:37 AM
In court filings, Nathan Sloop denied abusing her and denied being diagnosed with a mental illness other than obsessive compulsive disorder.

He denied it and it was accepted by the court, so fuck him and his 'multiple personality' bullcrap claim. I've known people with OCD, and not one of them had the obsession or compulsion to beat a child over and over and over!

NO MENTAL ILLNESS, JUST PLAIN FUCKING EVIL BEYOND BELIEF.

Ethan Stacy's story has hurt me deeply, he has the same name as my son. That poor little guy, beaten and burned, shit forced into his mouth, locked in his room alone and in agony while his evil 'mother' went and married his evil, sadistic tormentor. And, finally, killed.

Then just to add degrading insult to the unimaginable injury, that bastard taked a hammer and demolishes his precious face. So his dad and his loving family wont even be able to see him as he was, beautiful and perfect, to say a proper goodbye to him.

They said in their sickening wedding blurb that they were 'soul mates'.

Indeed they were.




Oh, and Lizard? Give me a shout when you are setting off. I will bring things to inflict severe pain, and share the driving.

DamagedGoods
May 14th, 2010, 07:28 AM
"Even though I lost the babies we planned to have, it saved my life," she wrote. "You can always have more children, but Nathan couldn't replace me."


I don't even want kids and this pisses me right the fuck off. I can imagine how people who want children and CAN'T have them would feel about it.

Self-centred, child-murdering, fucking whore-bitch... I guess she could always have more Ethans, but couldn't replace Captain Cocksnot.

Oh yeah, and its ok if her kid gets hurt, so long as she stays safe... because a 4 year old child had a much better chance... she fucking went OUT... if she was so scared wtf didn't she bring back authorities with her when she went to get his meds?

all I can think now is HATEYOUHATEYOUHATEYOUDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEINAMOTHERFUCKI NGFIRE

ineedanap
May 14th, 2010, 08:56 AM
4-Year-Old Murder Arrests - Latest News
by - Associated Press
05/13/2010

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - A divorce judge who approved a settlement that sent a 4-year-old boy to Utah where he was killed days after arriving says the case was routine and uncontested. Judge Maura T. Smith of the Orlando, Fla., court told The Associated Press Thursday that the boy's father, Joe Stacy, should
not blame himself for agreeing to share custody of his son. Police dug up Ethan Stacy's badly beaten and disfigured body from a Utah canyon Tuesday, about 10 days after he arrived in Utah for a summer visit with his mother, Stephanie Sloop.
Joe Stacy wrote in a November pleading that Stephanie Sloop was unstable and had abandoned the boy, but Smith says she didn't read that statement because she simply approved the final divorce and custody agreement. Ethan Stacy's mother and stepfather have been arrested in his death.

http://www.wmdt.com/Delmarvas-Top-News-Stories.aspx?item=6886


Judge Maura T. Smith of the Orlando, Fla., court told The Associated Press Thursday that the boy's father, Joe Stacy, should not blame himself for agreeing to share custody of his son.

OMFG, did she really really fucking say that???!!!!

{{{{THUD}}}}

DingDang
May 14th, 2010, 09:44 AM
In court filings, Nathan Sloop denied abusing her and denied being diagnosed with a mental illness other than obsessive compulsive disorder.

He denied it and it was accepted by the court, so fuck him and his 'multiple personality' bullcrap claim. I've known people with OCD, and not one of them had the obsession or compulsion to beat a child over and over and over!

NO MENTAL ILLNESS, JUST PLAIN FUCKING EVIL BEYOND BELIEF.

Ethan Stacy's story has hurt me deeply, he has the same name as my son. That poor little guy, beaten and burned, shit forced into his mouth, locked in his room alone and in agony while his evil 'mother' went and married his evil, sadistic tormentor. And, finally, killed.

Then just to add degrading insult to the unimaginable injury, that bastard taked a hammer and demolishes his precious face. So his dad and his loving family wont even be able to see him as he was, beautiful and perfect, to say a proper goodbye to him.

They said in their sickening wedding blurb that they were 'soul mates'.

Indeed they were.




Oh, and Lizard? Give me a shout when you are setting off. I will bring things to inflict severe pain, and share the driving.


Soul-LESS mates, more like!

Tundratot
May 14th, 2010, 01:54 PM
I'm wondering why she kept leaving Ethan with this cockhead. She'd leave, come back and Ethan was hurt more and shit in his mouth. She'd leave, come back, and shit all over the walll, Ethan, and Nathan. She'd leave, come back, Ethan would be dead. What it wrong with this woman? Is she thinking, "Oh, nothing will happen because my wonderful bad boy will leave my little guy alone today?"

Why didn't she instead say, "Oh, Nathan, go get it yourself. Take a break from Ethan. I know how he aggravates you. I'll take care of him while you run."

I'll tell you why. Because she knew it was going to happen and she didn't want to be in the house while it did. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that she left the house as it was happening. And now it all sounds like an alibi. How convenient for her.

MadeaBecBec
May 14th, 2010, 02:06 PM
Joe Stacy called Ethan, everyday, talked with him on the phone, from the time he left to go to Utah up until May 4th, when the evil egg donor made excuses as to why Ethan couldn't be on the phone. I realize that Joe had no way of knowing what was occurring, the horror of it all, would've kept him from thinking that way, but we all know that Joe Stacy is going to play this over and over in his mind and heart, what if? What if, he would've called authorities to do a welfare check on Ethan? What if, he had jumped on a plane to go see for himself? Would this have saved Ethan? Would he be in the hospital, recovering? Was the initial blow to Ethans head, by sloopslop, so severe that there was nothing that could've been done? Probably so, but we will never know the answers.
The cruelty that sloopslop inflicted on Ethan so quickly, makes me think that not only is he an evil bastard, but that his drugs were the most important thing to him and to the egg donor as well, she wasn't going to give that lifestyle up and even though she stated that she "wanted" Ethan, she obviously felt Ethan was getting in the way. I am going to guess that it will come to light that Ethan had some illicit drugs in his system, besides the Benadryl, either administered by the slops or Ethan found them, maybe tasted them and this set sloopslop off, egg donor, too!

•Around May 1, Ethan arrived in Utah from Virginia to visit his mother.
•May 4, a cell phone time stamp reveals Stephanie took a picture of Ethan with swelling and bruising on his jaw.
•May 5, Stephanie says Nathan beat Ethan, leaving him with head wounds.
•May 6, Stephanie and Nathan get married at the Farmington courthouse. They locked Ethan in his room while they were gone.
•In the days leading up to his death, Ethan didn't eat well; he was burned in a hot tub and received no medical attention.
•On May 9, Ethan was found dead in his bed. That's also the day Nathan and Stephanie buried him.
•The night of May 10, Stephanie reported her son missing.
•Early morning on May 11, the search to find Ethan began.
•At 11 a.m. on May 11, police interviewed Nathan and Stephanie again and find out about the burial site.
•Around noon on May 11, the search moved up Ogden Valley to Powder Mountain.
•At 5 p.m. on May 11, teams discovered Ethan's body.
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=10763286

Silvahalo
May 14th, 2010, 03:14 PM
FARMINGTON (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700032397/Prosecutors-Not-enough-evidence-yet-for-murder-charges-in-Ethan-Stacy-case.html?pg=1)— Prosecutors said Friday they don't have enough evidence to file formal charges against the parents of 4-year-old Ethan Stacy.

But they do intend to seek charges of aggravated murder for both the slain boy's mother and stepfather.

Davis County Attorney Troy Rawlings said despite the public outcry over the gruesome death of the young Layton boy, prosecutors need to gather more evidence in order to obtain an eventual conviction.

[...]
One piece of evidence prosecutors are waiting for is a determination of the cause of the boy's death. The Utah Medical Examiner's Office says it needs at least two more weeks to finish the autopsy and perhaps longer, he said.

"We believe there's probable cause that both suspects in this case — Nathan and Stephanie Sloop — committed the crime of aggravated murder in connection with the death of Ethan Stacy," Rawlings said, adding that penalties for such a charge could mean the death penalty or at least life in prison.

Despite the lack of charges, both Sloops will remain in jail with no bail while the investigation continues.

[...]
Ethan's biological father, Joe Stacy, whom he described as a "devastated man" since the boy's death. After informing the father that formal charges would not yet be filed, Rawlings said he was supportive of the decision and told him, My interest is you get it right and do it right."

Well it's not like their going anywhere, they can sit there and start rotting. As anxious as I am to see this trail move along in murder charges for the both of them its on the right track now and I don't want to see any fuck up's because of being over zealous or sloppy. I want to see this case done right, down to the very last detail. It is very good to see the community in an uproar, but then how could any decent person not feel but complete horror?

dahanna70
May 14th, 2010, 03:14 PM
I was lucky to have a judge who saw through all my ex wifes BS and granted me Full custody of my kids.

Marv
May 14th, 2010, 03:15 PM
Judge Maura T. Smith of the Orlando, Fla., court told The Associated Press Thursday that the boy's father, Joe Stacy, should not blame himself for agreeing to share custody of his son.

I'm sure Joe Stacy is carrying a huge burden of guilt, but he did not agree to share custody of his son, he was FORCED to do so.

By judge Maura T. fucking Smith of the Orlando, Fla. court.

This stupid woman should hang her brainless head in shame. First for ordering Joe to send poor Ethan to the monster who gave birth to him, and Second for DARING to say the words quoted above!!

She said those words. She actually said them. And then admitted that she didn't read Joe Stacy's written statement about his concerns for Ethan if he had to visit his 'mother'.


Go fuck yourself, judge Maura T. Smith. You have Ethan Stacy's blood on your hands just as surely as his murderers do.

donegaveup
May 14th, 2010, 03:25 PM
Poor little lamb ordered to his own slaughter by a court of law. Bio dad, although resistive did the "right" thing by doing as the court decreed. Bio dad has been given a life sentence for doing what was "right". Not only does he face life alone without Ethan, he has to live with the knowledge of the horrors that were heaped upon his little boy. Shakespeare himself could not have written a more soul shattering tragedy.

This thread has taken on a life of it's own. Not the number of posts but rather the content, the passion of the words. If it could only become an entity and travel to Utah so the monsters in this story would know the pain and torment of little Ethan themselves.

Silvahalo
May 14th, 2010, 03:32 PM
Heaven weeps.

http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s341/silvahalo68/Fallen%20angels/abused%20children/dc4aecf8.jpghttp://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s341/silvahalo68/Fallen%20angels/abused%20children/7b156fe0.jpghttp://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s341/silvahalo68/Fallen%20angels/abused%20children/50e7bab8.jpghttp://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s341/silvahalo68/Fallen%20angels/abused%20children/e06d860a.jpg
http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s341/silvahalo68/Fallen%20angels/abused%20children/ca202920.jpghttp://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s341/silvahalo68/Fallen%20angels/abused%20children/a865951a.jpghttp://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s341/silvahalo68/Fallen%20angels/abused%20children/2bd6f4bb.jpg
----born perfect and new...............


MORE PRECIOUS PHOTO'S HERE OF ETHAN AND DAD JOE STACY! (http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-pg-ethan-stacy,0,3621604.photogallery)

Jessiesgirl1108
May 14th, 2010, 05:01 PM
Oh Silva...I can't thank you cause my thanks button is gone...but thank you for posting those pictures. This thread has really hurt my heart. As much as we read these kind of stories there are always a few that really just...I don't even know how to describe what I'm feeling!

Lizard
May 14th, 2010, 05:07 PM
The County Attorney declined to file charges today as they are still gathering evidence and waiting for autopsy results.

He intends to charge BOTH of them with aggravated murder.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700032397/Prosecutors-Not-enough-evidence-for-murder-charges-in-Ethan-Stacy-case-yet.html

Tundratot
May 14th, 2010, 05:58 PM
Those photos are wonderful. It's so good to see that Ethan had a good life with his father and friends, not an awful life from start to finish. In a couple of the photos on the Fox 13 site, you could see him next to Dad, and he was so small. How could anyone feel anything other than a big bully hitting and beating on this precious little boy?!

Lizard
May 14th, 2010, 06:10 PM
A fund to help pay for the funeral expenses of Ethan Stacy has been set up at a Virginia bank.

The 4-year-old was found buried in a shallow grave near Powder Mountain Ski Resort on Tuesday. His step-father, Nathan Sloop, was arrested on suspicion of aggravated homicide and child abuse and his mother, Stephanie Sloop, was arrested on suspicion of child abuse and trying to cover for her husband.

When the Medical Examiner s Office has completed its autopsy, Ethan Stacy's body will be flown back to Virginia for his funeral.

Donations can be mailed to:

True Point Bank
P.O. Box 1010
Grundy, VA 24614

It should be directed to Gary Stacy-Joe Stacy Memorial Fund #4 Ethan Stacy. The account number is 0387940. Online donations cannot be accepted, but checks or money orders may be mailed to the bank.

From the "Ghost/multiple personalities" article.

Lizard
May 14th, 2010, 06:13 PM
The couple arrested for the murder of 4-year-old Ethan Stacy appeared in court Friday afternoon, where the boy's stepfather had a special request for the judge.

Nathan Sloop tearfully asked 2nd District Court Judge David Connors if he could visit with his mother, Pamela Sloop Taylor, in jail. It was the only time he or Ethan's mother, Stephanie Sloop, showed any emotion.

Connors replied the visits would be allowed, but granted a request from defense attorneys to bar journalists from interviewing the Sloops in the Davis County Jail.

<snip>

In Utah, aggravated murder charges can carry three different penalties: the death penalty, life in prison without parole, or 20 years to life in prison with the option of parole. Prosecutors now have 60 days to decide which option to pursue.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15087130?source=rv

Pictures of the Sloops in court today at the link. In one, Big Man Nate is crying. And he wants his mommy. FFS.

Silvahalo
May 14th, 2010, 06:27 PM
Those photos are wonderful. It's so good to see that Ethan had a good life with his father and friends, not an awful life from start to finish. In a couple of the photos on the Fox 13 site, you could see him next to Dad, and he was so small. How could anyone feel anything other than a big bully hitting and beating on this precious little boy?!

I agree, such a nice thing to see that he was loved. but his life was so short lived and all because of selfish, mean pieceofshit, SOB's. Makes zero sense to me. there were other options if she didn't want Ethan in her life after all. She was just a spiteful, selfish bitch as we see time and time again with children used for adult BS reasons.

Here's a FB group for Ethan. (http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Ethan-Stacy-Memorial-Movement/122722347747466?v=photos#!/pages/The-Ethan-Stacy-Memorial-Movement/122722347747466)

Ninja0980
May 14th, 2010, 07:20 PM
I'm still waiting to hear when the egg doner will face her murder charges.

Lizard
May 14th, 2010, 07:23 PM
I'm still waiting to hear when the egg doner will face her murder charges.

Same time as him, apparently. They're waiting mainly on cause of death.

badfish76
May 14th, 2010, 08:28 PM
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15087130?source=rv

In one, Big Man Nate is crying. And he wants his mommy. FFS.

Yeah Ethan cried for his mom, too, I am sure and a fat lot of good it did him.

The judge should have told him that and to suck it up and at least pretend to be a man.

I can't wait till Bubba gets his sweet little ass.

Whisper
May 14th, 2010, 08:41 PM
Utah couple to be charged in death of 4-year-old boy

Authorities expect to charge couple with aggravated murder, other charges(CNN) -Utah prosecutors announced Friday that they expect to file murder charges against the mother and stepfather of a 4-year-old boy whose disfigured body was found this week in a canyon near Salt Lake City, Utah.
Local police said Ethan Sloop's body was buried in a shallow grave after he had been severely beaten, according to CNN affiliate KUTV.
Nathan Sloop, 31, and Stephanie Sloop, 27, are being held without bail at a Davis County, Utah, jail. Davis County prosecutor Troy Rawlings said local authorities expect to charge the couple with aggravated murder, child abuse, obstruction of justice and the desecration of a dead body.
If convicted, they could both face the death penalty.
Authorities delayed an expected filing of charges on Friday, Rawlings said, because "we don't want to make any mistake in our charging decision."
But "make no mistake: We intend to file formal charges with the court once the evidence we need to substantiate the crimes ... is obtained and submitted and processed."
Rawlings said he anticipated that charges would be filed in the "not too distant future."
Ethan's father, Joe Stacy, was required by a divorce settlement to send him to spend the summer with his mother, KUTV reported. Joe Stacy and Stephanie Sloop were officially divorced April 28.
Ethan arrived in Utah on May 1. He was locked in his bedroom while the Sloops were married May 6, according to court documents reviewed by KUTV. Ethan, who had been beaten by this time, died three days later at the couple's home in Layton, KUTV reported.
[...]
"It's like a nightmare come true," Brenda James, a friend of Joe Stacy's, told KUTV. "I believe that [Nathan Sloop] does not deserve to take another breath."http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/05/14/Utah.murder.charges/index.html?section=cnn_latest

Whisper
May 14th, 2010, 08:46 PM
Mother of slain, disfigured Utah boy might face murder charges
FARMINGTON, Utah — Prosecutors in Utah said Friday they may file murder charges against the mother of a 4-year-old boy whose body was found in a canyon earlier this week.
Searchers dug up Ethan Stacy's badly beaten and disfigured body Tuesday, about 10 days after he arrived in Utah for a summer visit with his mother, Stephanie Sloop, 27.
Davis County Attorney Troy Rawlings said Sloop and her husband, Nathanael Sloop, 31, will likely be charged with aggravated murder in the boy's death. Before Friday, the possibility of murder charges had only been discussed for Nathanael Sloop.
"We're looking at aggravated murder — both defendants are suspects at this point," Rawlings said.
Police said Stephanie Sloop initially told officers her son had wandered away from her Layton apartment.
But probable cause statements said Nathanael Sloop acknowledged beating the boy for days before his death on Sunday and Stephanie Sloop did nothing to stop it. After the boy died, Nathanael Stoop used a hammer to disfigure the boy's face and teeth to keep him from being identified, then buried the body in a canyon, according to the documents.
The Sloops may also be charged with felony child abuse, obstruction of justice and desecration of a corpse, Rawlings said.
At a court hearing Friday, both separately agreed to waive their right to be bailed out of jail until at least their next court appearance on May 28.
Nathanael Sloop kept his head low and wept softly during his court appearance. Stephanie Sloop appeared withdrawn and showed no visible emotion during the twin hearings that together lasted less than 15 minutes. Earlier, Nathanael Sloop's court-appointed attorney, Todd Utzinger, would not discuss specifics of the case or possible charges. He said he met with both Sloops Friday morning at the Davis County Jail and advised them to stop talking to detectives.
[...]
Prosecutors are waiting to file charges because there is the potential for the death penalty.

"We're not going to file charges before all of our ducks are in a row and we're ready to go, but we intend to get there," Rawlings said.

The 2nd District Court hearing in Farmington drew about two dozen members of the advocacy group Bikers Against Child Abuse and many other people unconnected to the case.
"That boy didn't get mercy. They shouldn't get mercy," said August Teuscher, 32, a mother of four from Clinton, who stood in the courthouse holding a hand-drawn sign condemning the Sloops. "They should be tortured."
Public defenders for the Sloops said the couple had received hundreds of requests for visits from reporters and strangers while in jail. Judge David M. Connors signed an order prohibiting anyone from trying to visit the Sloops.
Utah State Courts records show that between 2000 and 2003, Nathanael Sloop had several convictions, including for criminal mischief, disorderly conduct and drug possession. No criminal history was found for Stephanie Sloop.
Ethan's biological father, Joe G. Stacy of Tazewell, Va., agreed to share custody of the boy on April 28 so he would spend the school year with his father and summers with his mother.http://www.twincities.com/news/ci_15088753?source=rss&nclick_check=1

Silvahalo
May 14th, 2010, 08:46 PM
Couldn't resist.
HE thinks he's scared. imagine how terrified little Ethan was.

had i been the judge as he asked to see his momma, i would have flipped him off and said oh so wickedly, "who's crying now, baby killer!" ...yeah, i could never be a judge.
http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s341/silvahalo68/Perp/a3779b6c.jpg

AussieMum
May 14th, 2010, 08:51 PM
This is one of the most horrendous cases I've read.... and I am still left pondering WHY these dumb fucks WANTED little Ethan to come and stay for the Summer??? Was this the plan the whole time. Perhaps to not pay child support?? To punish the ex.

Breaks my heart.

MC30
May 14th, 2010, 08:59 PM
i want to see stephanie sloop cry in agony knowing that she lost her child because of her own stupidity. i want to see the moment of clarity hit her, and i want to laugh at her while she weeps.
tell me about love stephanie, i really want to understand your side of this. really. what is it about this man that you let him torture your son and kill him, while you did nothing. was it the smile he brought to your face (while he put feces in your son's mouth)? was it his bad-boy side (ghost? sorry, if you name your personalities, you are stupid and sick, not insane). stephanie, you are a waste of a uterus, and a waste of oxygen. please die soon.:dong:

AussieMum
May 14th, 2010, 09:00 PM
But probable cause statements said Nathanael Sloop acknowledged beating the boy for days before his death on Sunday and Stephanie Sloop did nothing to stop it. After the boy died, Nathanael Stoop used a hammer to disfigure the boy's face and teeth to keep him from being identified, then buried the body in a canyon, according to the documents.


http://www.twincities.com/news/ci_15088753?source=rss&nclick_check=1

Obviously I can't imagine causing my childs death.... but if my child did pass.... I don't know that I could ever let go of my little one. They would need to forcibly remove her from me. I would want to hold her forever.

To think they further hurt this little angel after his passing ... I need to hug my own 4 year old ....

Lizard
May 14th, 2010, 09:22 PM
After the boy died, Nathanael Stoop used a hammer to disfigure the boy's face and teeth to keep him from being identified, then buried the body in a canyon, according to the documents.

Horribly morbid thought here, but it's haunting me and making me feel sick.

The sound. The sound of a hammer crushing that beautiful little face.

AussieMum
May 14th, 2010, 10:15 PM
yep Lizard, that's my thoughts too.

It is beyond any reasonable thinking that someone could kill a child... THEN go find a hammer and smash his precious little face.

SICKENING

Tundratot
May 15th, 2010, 04:42 AM
Great pictures. They are very different from the wedding site photos, aren't they? These two are not looking so cocky and pretty without their duds and makeup, and getting a very little sleep. How funny big "bad boy" wants his mommy and is crying like a baby about it. Awww! How sweet. Makes me want to hit him upside the head with a baseball bat.

Ninja0980
May 15th, 2010, 11:39 AM
I'm glad to see the bitch will be getting charged with murder as well. I have no doubt she took part in some of the abuse and if nothing else, she did nothing to stop and was willing to burn her own child to delay idenfication. I have a hard time believing Nate did all the injuries to Ethan. Especially seeing how he's such a crybaby in court. I hope the inmates put their soaps in towels and proceed to do a free for all beatdown.

runecire
May 15th, 2010, 11:53 AM
"Every little Angel lost brings us one step closer to Hell, with no Angel counting greater than another." ~unknown

Sleep well, Little Angel. Rest ligthly on your daddy's shoulders; he will need you now more than ever.

LadyCygnet
May 15th, 2010, 12:42 PM
What happened to his right ear in this picture (http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-pg-ethan-stacy,0,3621604.photogallery?index=kstu-pg-ethan-stacy-013)?

ETA: According to a friend on his FB page, he used to do that to his own ear just to be goofy. That just makes it sadder...he seemed like such a vibrant child.

Whisper
May 15th, 2010, 09:20 PM
Liz this has torn me up also and I think alot of people and I know its b/c I dont like to think there is such evil out there
The hammer attack did me in
I also could hear and see in my head no matter how much I tried to block it out you cant
I dont care if anyones a parent or not,anyone with ANY contact with kids will fall apart with this story
I honestly cant get over how similar Robert Manwill case is to this

Thias is a super long 5 page article from the hometown and the Memorial for Ethan so Ill post a bit and the link
Thousands mourn Ethan Stacy's death

Layton > > Sherry Durst didn't know Ethan Stacy -- few in Utah did. But Saturday, she felt drawn to his memorial near the apartment where his short life brutally ended.

"I come out here every day, just to see," Durst, 44, of Syracuse, said. "You have to feel it. If you have a heart, you have to feel this."

Davis County prosecutors claim the 4-year-old boy died May 9 following four days of abuse by his stepfather and mother. He had recently arrived in Utah to spend the summer with his mother as part of a child custody agreement.

His death has struck a chord in thousands of people. By Saturday, three Facebook pages dedicated to his case had a combined total of nearly 32,000 fans. Davis County attorneys have been flooded with e-mails offering both sympathy for Ethan's family and demanding swift justice for the crime.

The abuse started May 5, when 31-year-old Nathan Sloop dealt a brutal beating to the boy's head and face, according to police documents. Ethan's 27-year-old mother Stephanie Sloop did nothing to stop the beating, and might have had a substantial hand in the abuse, prosecutors said Friday. The couple married one day after the beating, locking the injured boy in a bedroom and going to the Davis County Memorial Courthouse.

Ethan got no medical attention and suffered further abuse, including burns to his feet and legs, before his death, police said. After he died, the couple allegedly disfigured

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15094513?source=rss

mommyX3
May 15th, 2010, 10:43 PM
I just mailed a check to Ethan's funeral fund this morning, I got a couple of my friends to donate too. I know it is only a small gesture, but I felt a bit comforted to think that maybe we could help this grieving family even just a little.

Usually in these kinds of stories I find some satisfaction in reading other's posts about the cruel and unusual ways we could punish the baby killers, but it's not working for me this time. I think, like many of us here, I feel very helpless.

I hope everyone will do what they can for Ethan's dad and family- whether it is donating to the memorial fund, or sending our prayers. I hope that it will bring Ethan's dad some peace to know how much we all care for him. Rest peacefully Angel Ethan.

cheeseburgersanchez
May 15th, 2010, 10:57 PM
I hope to God that The judge that led this little lamb to his slaughter is out of a job next election. Not only did she ignore Ethan's father's warnings, but she made that fucking statement. His blood is on her robes.

thequeenofsorrow
May 16th, 2010, 02:20 AM
Ethan certainly looked just like his daddy. Must make it even harder for his dad's family. :(

And this is the pic that got me. Knowing Ethan had to look at this crazy eye motherfucker as he died :(

http://i41.tinypic.com/4vk7b6.jpg

cheeseburgersanchez
May 16th, 2010, 04:04 AM
For the record, I love B.A.C.A. I would be willing to get a bike if it meant I could join.



Several members of B.A.C.A. a biker organization that lends support for victims of child abuse, attended the hearing as well.

They weren’t surprised by what they saw inside the courtroom.

“It was apparent by his (Nathan Sloop) character with his head down throughout the court hearing that this is exactly what 99.9% if not 100% of these child abusers are, they're down right cowards,” said a member of B.A.C.A. who goes by the name of Ish.

Prosecutors aren't ruling out the death penalty if there's evidence of aggravated murder.

And for some that's the kind of justice they want.
"To be honest with you and eye for an eye,” said Sandi Turner another member of B.A.C.A. “But no matter what it is it won't be enough."




http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top%20stories/story/Public-outraged-at-Sloop-hearing/CQIcyuUjkk-lbrk3KSwBLw.cspx?rss=20

cheeseburgersanchez
May 16th, 2010, 04:06 AM
don't know why this double posted.

Ninja0980
May 16th, 2010, 04:40 AM
As I said before, I hope this is a case where both of them face the DP. I'm sick of seeing cases where a mother ignores or particpates in the beating and murder of her child and gets LWOP or less (sometimes only probation)while the penis gets death.
Sorry, this bitch had a hand in the injuries inflincted to her child. She admitted she made his gums bleed,and left him locked in a closet with massive injuries while she eloped with the POS stepdad. More to the point, she was willing to desecrate her child's body so she wouldn't be arrested. She deserves the needle right along with her POS penis.

cheeseburgersanchez
May 16th, 2010, 05:06 AM
She deserves the needle right along with her POS penis.


I respectfully disagree. Have you ever seen an animal put to sleep? If it is done correctly, it is quick, gentle, and after the needle prick, painless. And then their suffering is over. I want the people to die a long, slow, barbaric death. I want their faces beaten in with a hammer while still conscious. Because we can always find more baby killers, but there was only one little Ethan.

Ninja0980
May 16th, 2010, 02:35 PM
I respectfully disagree. Have you ever seen an animal put to sleep? If it is done correctly, it is quick, gentle, and after the needle prick, painless. And then their suffering is over. I want the people to die a long, slow, barbaric death. I want their faces beaten in with a hammer while still conscious. Because we can always find more baby killers, but there was only one little Ethan.

Who's to say they can't poke around a few times first? Finding those veins can be sooo hard to do....

Silvahalo
May 16th, 2010, 04:43 PM
I just mailed a check to Ethan's funeral fund this morning, I got a couple of my friends to donate too. I know it is only a small gesture, but I felt a bit comforted to think that maybe we could help this grieving family even just a little.

Usually in these kinds of stories I find some satisfaction in reading other's posts about the cruel and unusual ways we could punish the baby killers, but it's not working for me this time. I think, like many of us here, I feel very helpless.

I hope everyone will do what they can for Ethan's dad and family- whether it is donating to the memorial fund, or sending our prayers. I hope that it will bring Ethan's dad some peace to know how much we all care for him. Rest peacefully Angel Ethan.

Wonderful mommyx3! I think even the smallest of donations is not just about the money but the gesture of kindness during a very dark time. Me along with some fellow care2.com folks are sending a small donation too. I agree it's the feeling of helplessness, you just want to do something, just about anything to help.

cheeseburgersanchez
May 16th, 2010, 05:01 PM
Eric Calhoun just posted this on his Facebook page:
what is this world coming too when your kids don't mean the world to their parents, I am just sick to death with all this garbage

I wonder if he is thinking of this too.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/ecalhoun3

Whisper
May 16th, 2010, 09:59 PM
Amber Navarre Llewellyn can hardly recognize Stephanie Sloop, a woman she once knew as a friend.
"I knew her very well, and I never thought something like this would come from her. She doesn't even look like the same person I knew," said Llewellyn, of Fort Benning, Ga. "It kills me to look at pictures. I'm angry. I'm hurt. I'm heartbroken."

She spent barbecues and vacations with 4-year-old Ethan Stacy, and baby-sat him when he was an infant. On Thursday night, she heard the terrible news that Ethan was dead after four days of abuse by his mother, Stephanie, 27, and her new husband, Nathan Sloop, 31.
"I thought, 'This is fake, this is not for real,'" Llewellyn said. "I remember talking to her before she went and picked him up about how excited she was to get him."
When Llewellyn met Stephanie Sloop in 2005, she was pregnant with Ethan and married to Joe Stacy. Both of their husbands were stationed at Hunter Army Airfield outside Savannah, Ga. and they became close friends.
Ethan was a sweet, talkative boy, Llewellyn said, remembering how he made funny faces by pushing in the top and bottom of his ears.
"Ethan was very loving, he loved hugs, and he was a funny kid. He would make you laugh just being himself," she said. "He was always happy, and he loved his daddy."
Ethan's mother seemed to love him too, she said.
"She took care of him. He loved her. I thought that he was her pride and joy, I really
did," she said. "I never saw her spank Ethan, never saw her raise her voice at Ethan."
Still, Stephanie Stacy had another side. She could be vindictive when she felt wronged and always want more money, and was a "compulsive liar." Stephanie Sloop told her she planned on keeping Ethan "for good" after taking him back to Utah. The Stacys moved from Georgia to Florida about a year and half ago, and she lost touch with Stephanie. Then, last year, Stephanie left Joe and Ethan and moved to Las Vegas, according to Llewellyn and divorce papers. In October, Stephanie re-connected with Nathan Sloop, with whom she had gone to high school, the couple wrote on a wedding page on theknot.com. The posting has since been removed.
Stephanie reconnected with Llewellyn on Facebook after Nathan and Stephanie got together.

"I think she completely changed when she got with Nathan," she said. They seemed "obsessed" with each other, she said. Stephanie often wrote online that she had found her soul mate, that her life was complete. They planned their wedding for July 4, and she had an expensive dress from Nathan's mother, Llewellyn said.
Then, on May 6, her relationship status on Facebook suddenly changed to "married," Llewellyn said.
According to police, Nathan and Stephanie Sloop went to the old Davis County memorial courthouse to wed the day after Nathan dealt Ethan a brutal beating. They locked him in a bedroom, according to arrest documents, so people would not see his injuries.
"The day she got married to Nathan, she put on her updated status 'married,' and something to the effect of being so happy she was finally Mrs. Nathan Sloop," Llewellyn said. "She seemed excited. In the midst of this, while I was writing 'congratulations,' he was in a bedroom dying. It just makes me sick to my stomach."
The Sloops allegedly disfigured the boy's face before burying him near Power Mountain ski resort. They reported him missing, but later admitted the location of his body, police said. Both are now being held without bail on suspicion of aggravated murder, and could face the death penalty.
The alleged crime has had ripples of despair through the group who knew the family in Georgia, Llewellyn said. She finds herself thinking about Ethan and the abuse he suffered, and wishing Joe Stacy will find some kind of comfort for his loss.
She remembered a night she and her husband watched Ethan, just before she became pregnant with her own daughter.
[...]http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15099438?source=rss

MadeaBecBec
May 16th, 2010, 10:24 PM
If it is capital murder, the death penalty could be one of the sentences.

The 2006 murder case of Shelby Andrews in Syracuse caused lawmakers to change the law so parents and adults who abuse children and cause their death can be charged of capital murder.


The law now includes a provision allowing prosecutors to charge anyone who recklessly causes a child's death through physical abuse to be charged with capital murder. That offense carries the death penalty, life without parole in prison or 20 years to life in prison with the possibility of parole.

Additional evidence has pointed that Stephanie Sloop could be charged with aggravated murder, but because of rules of ethical conduct, he cannot discuss what that evidence is.
http://www.standard.net/topics/ethan-stacy/2010/05/14/suspects-boys-death-make-court-appearance-formal-charges-pending

Representative Paul Ray was so outraged by Shelby Andrews' death, he got a bill passed the very next year.

Shelby's law now makes it easier for Utah child killers to get the death penalty.

Friday, Representative Ray told ABC 4,

"I don't want taxpayers paying $32,000 dollars a year to house this guy for the rest of his life and so it's come down simply to he's better off being removed from the gene pool."

Ray is saddened and stunned Shelby's law now has to be used just 3 years later.

While it does help punish killers, he knows it can't bring back their victims.
And this is a great idea;

Ray says he is now thinking about another bill for next year's legislature.

One that would limit the number of appeals condemned killers can file.

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top%20stories/story/Shelbys-Law-and-what-it-might-mean-for-the-Sloops/83CF6xw0VECGOsaTyHQjBA.cspx

I like the idea of LIFE in prison without parole, more so, because then these two will have to struggle (possibly fight) for their survival there, in general population and then die knowing somewhat the torture that Ethan suffered and everytime they close their eyes, the nightmare of Ethans death comes over them!

MadeaBecBec
May 16th, 2010, 10:38 PM
Sloopslops Moms Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1397207203

A cousins facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1735857234&v=wall

Good Morning. I would like to ask for prayers for my cousins that live in Utah. There little boy that is 4 1/2 years old. His name is Ethan , he has wondered off from there apartment and they have not found him yet. It is not great weather there and they need alot of prayers that god would keep him safe until they find him.
May 11 at 10:25am

It is with great sadness to inform you that yeaterday Ethan was found around 5 pm. I please ask every one to continue to pray for our family in this horrify time.May 12 at 9:43am
I'll keep looking....

Lizard
May 16th, 2010, 10:59 PM
Comments from the page of a relative (?) Matthew Sloop. May 12 status:
I'm thankful for a GOD who is greater than I can imagine! I'm thankful for a GOD who loves deeper than I can fathom! I'm thankful for my GOD's Grace, because all of us don't get what we deserve! Thank you JESUS for paying for my sins on that Cross!

Commenter 1:

We prayed for your family this morning at our monthly "Christ in Real Estate" study Matthew, and I also sent a request to another couple of prayer groups. As I woke up burdened for Nathan this morning, the Lord put Saul of Tarsus on my mind. I'm praying for a road to Damascus experience for Nathan. His greatest impact for the Lord could well ... See Morestill be in front of him. God is in the resurrection and renewal business, and there's nothing He didn't already die for. Who are we to not believe that He can do ANYTHING??!!
Commenter 2:

Laurie, I don't know you, but I've known Nathan since he was six years old. I've had many, long, deep conversations with Nathan over the past months and I just wanted you to know that he told me he is, "A Saul turned Paul." I agree with you that his greatest impact for the Lord is yet to come...my life verse for him that I pray over him everyday is Phil 1:6, "being confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ."
Commenter 1:

When did he tell you this, Sandy? Very interesting. "Lord, we thank You, by faith, for hearing and answering our prayers for Nathan."

MadeaBecBec
May 17th, 2010, 12:13 AM
This is just too much, someone fancied themselves a model.....
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/678147/0

Lizard
May 17th, 2010, 12:31 AM
This is just too much, someone fancied themselves a model.....
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/678147/0

Oh, God, the one, look on the left-hand bottom--some camo on the floor reading "Stacy"--Ethan's dad?

And dog tags in another.

Whisper
May 17th, 2010, 01:40 AM
I havent seen this pic yet but I could be wrong but I thought it was so cute
Reminds me of Dick Tracey lol
http://i44.tinypic.com/mcxdnt.jpg

Tundratot
May 17th, 2010, 03:15 AM
I like her recent court photos better. Suits her.

MadeaBecBec
May 17th, 2010, 10:12 AM
Oh, God, the one, look on the left-hand bottom--some camo on the floor reading "Stacy"--Ethan's dad?

And dog tags in another.

Yep, her profile says that she signed on March 21, 2008 and last log-in was in April 2009, so she was still married to Joe. She also listed one of her credits as supposedly being featured in the "Hot Housewives" issue of Playboy (to come out in 2009) Not sure about that, as I don't subscribe to the magazine. I had an inkling that Steph was a narcissistic twat, given her inability for empathy, among other horrible personality traits.....

Aena
May 17th, 2010, 10:39 AM
This still really pisses me off to no end. My ex wants my kids to come to his house for the summer with his new girlfriend, I told him he is high, I don't know her and I am not trusting some stranger with my kids. I read too many of these stories daily, no fucking way!


I cried when I looked at the pictures of Ethan and his dad, how can some bitches be so cruel...makes me want to puke. This incubator and her prick should be put into gen pop, I have no doubt they would fully pay for their crimes with an eye for an eye justice if the jail had balls.

redsaid
May 17th, 2010, 12:18 PM
@ Cheese;
For the record, I love B.A.C.A. I would be willing to get a bike if it meant I could join.


You don't have to have a bike to be a supporter. Contact them. They'll probably take the help!
Red

Silvahalo
May 17th, 2010, 02:44 PM
I saw this pic, http://i44.tinypic.com/mcxdnt.jpg, just wanted others to get the chance to post some too! it's a very cute picture, you can see his personality from it.

redsaid
May 17th, 2010, 02:55 PM
I think the reason this story gets me, is because he had a parent who would have gone to the end of the world for his son. Although I morn for the lives that are lost to endless abuse and torture, those who survive are still suffering.

Ravyn1965
May 17th, 2010, 03:05 PM
I've been following this story since it was first reported. I still can't wrap my head around the twisted logic (hell, the complete lack of logic) of it all.

My heart breaks for Ethan. It also breaks for Joe Stacy. Joe already had reservations about sending Ethan on this "vacation" and made no bones about it. His hands were tied and he had no choice. Ethan paid the ultimate price for his "mother's" parental rights and Joe Stacy is left to face the rest of his life with this horror. The father, an innocent bystander in all of this, will pay a much heavier price than the scum that took his precious boy away from him. There is no justice whatsoever in that.

redsaid
May 17th, 2010, 03:19 PM
True. Once an abused child is gone, all that is left is the pain and suffering of the ones that are left behide.

DingDang
May 17th, 2010, 03:41 PM
I know this Sloop douchebag is not that bright, but it is VERY puzzling/troubling to me that the reason he gave for disfiguring poor Ethan's face was to prevent him from being identified. Really? If you want to prevent your murder victim being identified, you don't simply smash up their face and hope for the best (I'm sorry, I know that sounds awful).

I feel like this piece of shit disfigured Ethan's face as another 'fuck you' to Joe Stacy.

And taking his mother to the location of the body "so she could say her goodbyes?" What the fuck?

I hope they both rot.

redsaid
May 17th, 2010, 03:52 PM
I find it very hard to believe she wasn't involved. Do people this children are invincible? You can keep beating them and they won't die? Little babies last so long while being beaten, then they die and it's all about "poor me, my baby is dead!" Well it's done now, let's just dump him somewhere where no one can find him, and I can say goodbye? You should have said goodbye when he was safely back in daddy's arms after the summer was over! You fucking cunt!

(sorry, i got a little pissed)

DingDang
May 17th, 2010, 03:59 PM
I find it very hard to believe she wasn't involved. Do people this children are invincible? You can keep beating them and they won't die? Little babies last so long while being beaten, then they die and it's all about "poor me, my baby is dead!" Well it's done now, let's just dump him somewhere where no one can find him, and I can say goodbye? You should have said goodbye when he was safely back in daddy's arms after the summer was over! You fucking cunt!

(sorry, i got a little pissed)

I agree completely. I don't think you have anything to be sorry about, either. This story is so tragic and horrific, it helps to be able to talk about it, you know?

redsaid
May 17th, 2010, 04:09 PM
Thanks, I try desparatly not to let my emo's get in the way of logic. Usually the words I type are carefully chosen, so as not to always sound like I'm a ragaholic. LOL.... But those last words came out so easily, I decided to leave them there.
I'm a big fan in instant gratification, and I'd like to see these fuck get what's comin to them NOW. But I'm learning to have some patience. Karma has taken care of many things I have no control over. But, yes, it helps to talk about it in the meantime!
:secruity:

cheeseburgersanchez
May 17th, 2010, 05:04 PM
I feel like this piece of shit disfigured Ethan's face as another 'fuck you' to Joe Stacy

I think you might be right. These people knew what they were going to do before that baby even got there. I would put fucking money on it. Everyone that knows this woman has said she is vindictive and cared more about money than this little boy. I think she decided that if she couldn't scam child support for the kid, that Joe didn't deserve to get what he wanted either. So she and her little boyfriend decided to take what meant the most to Joe. Red, you have nothing to apologize for.

redsaid
May 17th, 2010, 05:29 PM
Oh, Cheese... I was trying desparatly not to believe that senario. Because if that is the case, instead of just killing him and getting rid of him, they tortured him. Because he was loved and they were not. Jealosy can breed evil. If mom couldn't have his (the dad's) love, then Ethan couldn't either. Bring in evil stepdad to brood over mom and give her ideas and encourage her..... and I wonder WHY this story makes me so fucking mad.

mommyX3
May 17th, 2010, 07:11 PM
Wonderful mommyx3! I think even the smallest of donations is not just about the money but the gesture of kindness during a very dark time. Me along with some fellow care2.com folks are sending a small donation too. I agree it's the feeling of helplessness, you just want to do something, just about anything to help.

Thanks Silva. I know that you and I both wish that there was more that we could do in this case- like travel back in time to May 4th perhaps!

That is 1 of the problems here, we didn't know that this family even existed until this horrible tragedy, but many other people did- As a society, we need to start being more proactive when it comes to child abuse. I realize that donating to memorial funds and attending candle-light vigils is more socially accepted than turning someone in for abuse, but that is so backwards.

These kids don't need you to leave them a teddy bear after they've been beaten to death, they need you to leave an anonymous tip about suspected child abuse before it comes to that! I just needed to get that off my chest.

I believe that Ethan's story will open people's eyes and save children's lives. You did not die in vain Ethan, we will always remember you.

redsaid
May 17th, 2010, 08:26 PM
I think many people are either from the "if it doesn't involve me I don't care, it's none of my business" club - or "I'm afraid for the consequences” club. I think most of us here at DD are of a different breed. I feel like we are a fraction of people who have experience enough to stand up and fight this bullshit. I really like the island deal.

I started this conversation awhile back trying to decide if it is feasible to re-introduce a new fangled detention system to replace the old Sanitariums. It’s just a dream, but a girl can dream can’t she?

http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24461

cheeseburgersanchez
May 17th, 2010, 10:23 PM
and I wonder WHY this story makes me so fucking mad.

For the same reason it makes me mad. It didn't have to happen. I know that could be said about many of these stories, but it is soo true with this one. He had a parent that loved him, and was activly trying to protect him. But the courts ignored his pleas for help, even though she kept telling people She was going to keep Ethan in Utah for good. All he wanted was to keep his son safe, and in the end, the law kept him from doing so. She got what she wanted, and joe has lost a son, and Ethan siblings have lost a brother.... It makes me so angry!!

Silvahalo
May 17th, 2010, 11:20 PM
When I first saw this picture I was so saddened. I kept looking at it and wanting to post it but waiting to do so, wasn't sure why. I guess it was as I looked at it, you know, it has much about being a little kid in this picture. So, I decide to personalize it for Ethan. Give it his name as to never forget him, not like I ever could.
My heart breaks for you Ethan, in more ways than I can describe. All the things that should have been yours in life, things you were yet to do, people you would have met time and time again, who would have loved you. I'm so sorry that death was the only way I got to know of you. So now, it is the life in my boys, and all that they will do for you, that will remind me of you always.

This is for you Ethan. Kisses.
http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s341/silvahalo68/Fallen%20angels/abused%20children/c038d3cd-1.jpg

Lizard
May 17th, 2010, 11:43 PM
Goddammit, silva. You and ww are killing us with the photos. Every single one just underscores my inability to understand how ANYone could've done what was done to him

AussieMum
May 17th, 2010, 11:57 PM
While I feel saddened for a child that was shaken to death or beaten just once .... I feel indescribable feelings of loss and sadness for children who are repeatedly abused until they can take no more.

Poor little Ethan came from a loving home and was sent to a torturous house. I believe they knew what they were going to do. Weather they planned for him to die, they certainly planned 'to teach him a lesson', way before he arrived.

Silvahalo
May 18th, 2010, 12:17 AM
Goddammit, silva. You and ww are killing us with the photos. Every single one just underscores my inability to understand how ANYone could've done what was done to him.

aw, sorry Liz, but you know that is why i LOVE pictures. It tells so much just by looking at it. didn't need my blah, blah, blah added to it either, just helps me cope when i do.

sheevaa
May 18th, 2010, 02:42 AM
You look at those pictures, and it's so hard to believe that someone could be so horrible to him. Or any of them.
Rarely do these make me cry, as horrible as they are...that one you posted though, silva, that did it.
He's just a little kid, being a kid. How can he be gone like this?

I can't even wrap my mind around it. It's so senseless.

Ethan, little cutie, you have a special spot in my heart, right beside Peter Connelly.

redsaid
May 18th, 2010, 11:46 AM
I was just a little kid..... ok you got me, I vowed not to cry in the mornin', but you got me.

Whisper
May 18th, 2010, 01:49 PM
If tried under Shelbys Law they can get DP

Ethan Stacy case could be first test for Shelby's Law
SYRACUSE, Utah - Davis County prosecutors began going over evidence today in the case against Nathanael and Stephanie Sloop, accused of killing 4-year-old Ethan Stacy.
The FBI is also involved, conducting forensic tests on cell phones and other electronics.

Prosecutors are considering leveling aggravated murder charges against the Sloops. They would bring them under "Shelby's Law," which made child abuse that leads to death, a potential death penalty crime. It was prompted by the murder of 10-year-old Shelby Andrews in 2006. Police said Shelby was abused so badly, she eventually died inside the Syracuse home of her father and stepmother. Shelby's biological mother, Kim Hale, said she was tortured.
"What could a 4-year-old, or even a 10-year-old, do to deserve anything like this?" Hale asked in an interview with Fox 13 on Monday.

Hale said the similarities between Shelby's case and Ethan's case are striking. Shelby's father, Ryan Andrews, and her stepmother, Angela, were both convicted of murder, but Davis County prosecutors were frustrated that they couldn't seek the death penalty. That led to "Shelby's Law."
"As to what it does for Ethan, is it allows for the dad and potentially the mother to be charged with a capital homicide," said Rep. Paul Ray, R-Clearfield.
[...]
"It's gratifying to have it in place so that when a monster performs these acts that happened here, you have the ability to go after them now," Ray told Fox 13.
As horrified as they are by Ethan's death, Shelby's mother, Kim, and stepfather, Guy, say they believe her death was not in vain.
"It's bittersweet," Guy Hale said.
"We knew that Shelby was put on this earth for a purpose," Kim Hale said. "We just didn't realize that her death was going to be the purpose for everything."
Funeral services for Ethan Stacy are scheduled for Wednesday in Grundy, Va.
http://www.fox13now.com/news/ethanstacy/kstu-et... ,

Ravyn1965
May 18th, 2010, 01:54 PM
I hope Shelby's Law will be The Sloops first class ticket to hell.

redsaid
May 18th, 2010, 02:01 PM
Too bad the law doesn't let the father inflict the death, however he wants to. If he doesn't want to, I'm first in line!

Abroad
May 18th, 2010, 04:13 PM
These kids don't need you to leave them a teddy bear after they've been beaten to death, they need you to leave an anonymous tip about suspected child abuse before it comes to that!

This bears repeating.........

redsaid
May 18th, 2010, 04:44 PM
Scream it from the mountain tops!! All over the world.

Tundratot
May 19th, 2010, 03:28 AM
FBI gets involved in Ethan Stacy murder case
May 17th, 2010 @ 9:26pm
By Nicole Gonzales

SALT LAKE CITY -- The FBI has now entered the investigation into the death of Ethan Stacy, partly because of its expertise in examining electronic evidence, which could provide valuable clues in the timeline of violence that led to the boy's death.
One of the photos the FBI is investigating is this one, which was posted on Stephanie Sloop's Facebook page.


. . .

It's a picture of 4-year-old Ethan playing video games like any other child. Except, in this photo his face is swollen and bruised, and he's sitting with the man accused of killing him: his stepfather, Nathan Sloop.

"A picture says a thousand words. And if we can have a picture of something that someone did, a crime that someone committed, then it becomes a lot easier for us to understand the elements of that crime," says Dr. Brent Horn, assistant professor of criminal justice at Weber State University.

Horn says electronic data, like that picture, can be important in any case, especially when trying to figure out a timeline. But he says detectives and prosecutors must be careful in how much weight they give the photo.

. . .

But since there is so much electronic data in this case, the FBI was called in because of their specialized laboratory.

The agency only has 16 of these labs across the country, and one happens to be right here in Salt Lake City.

. . .

Horn says there is always a possibility that people will manipulate electronic data by using programs like Photoshop. However, he says these forensic scientists are highly trained to tell the difference between what's real and what's fake. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=10814747&autostart=y

http://i45.tinypic.com/10f6yl5.jpg

I had no idea any of her gruesome photos were out in the public domain.

donegaveup
May 19th, 2010, 03:46 AM
OMG. This just keeps getting worse and worse. This poor little guy was annihilated in every conceivable way. Beat him up then cuddle up with him to play video games. What was going on in Ethan's mind? How confused he must have been. How hurt and alone he must have felt. To me this picture illustrates more clearly than any words how terribly he suffered. Especially after seeing all the other pictures of him with bio-dad. If the real dad sees this or others like it he will go mad, if he hasn't already.

AussieMum
May 19th, 2010, 05:14 AM
OMG! Ethans face is so swollen... he looks like he would be barely able to eat as he lips won't shut due to his jaw being so swollen!!!!!!! FUCK!!!!

MissKerosene
May 19th, 2010, 05:47 AM
Oh sweet heavens!!! This poor wee bairn had no chance with these evil monsters. I am heartbroken for this wee angel and his father and family that did truly love him.

I haven't been able to comment on Ethan's case up until now as I just can NOT get my head around it or even think of the right words to write.

But seeing that picture has just pushed me over the edge. Those scum did this to his beautiful face and then sit there playing a video game as if everything is fine only to kill him!! That is torture, out and out torture! I am just raging right now. I want to turn back time and then jump in that picture and grab wee Ethan and run him to his father sooooo badly.

I can't even say what I want to see happen to the pieces of shite that did this to peerie Ethan because well there isn't enough bad words to write what I want to happen to them.

I pray sweet baby boy Ethan that you are at total peace now and I pray that your Daddy and your loving family can also find comfort and some peace one day although I know it will be long off. :(

Marv
May 19th, 2010, 06:10 AM
OMG. I am shaking after seeing that photo, shaking and I feel sick. How the fuck could they?!!

Ethan's beautiful little face, all swollen and mishapen, bruised and hurting. And that monster sits with him playing video games while 'mommy' takes a photo of it all!

Just LOOK at the size of that creature next to little Ethan. What chance did he stand, ffs.

My heart is shattered now, not only did they beat and abuse him horribly, but they played their sick and twisted mind games. Got a kick out of confusing and torturing a four year old, did you? Fucking bastards!

Beat him, then 'oh come sit, play video games with me!' Ethan thinking 'oh, maybe thats it now, maybe he likes now, maybe it will be ok now' Then beat him again. What next? More normal time? More playing? Then a bit more beating and burning?

Fuck, he must have been so terrified, sitting next to that bastard. So terrified that he would make a wrong move and set him off again. 'If I win, will he hit me again?' 'If I lose, will he hit me again?' Poor baby. And his poor family are going to see that photo, and torture themselves for ever with thoughts of what Ethan suffered.

Damn them both to a lifetime of suffering the same pain the inflicted on this child! Damn them! Just fucking damn them!

I'm fucking crying now.

Ethan, bless your heart sweetheart. I'm just so fucking sorry that you had that evil bitch as your 'mother'.

That photo should be stapled to the head of the judge who made the fucking order which sent Ethan to his own personal hell.

DingDang
May 19th, 2010, 09:55 AM
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=10814747&autostart=y

http://i45.tinypic.com/10f6yl5.jpg

I had no idea any of her gruesome photos were out in the public domain.


Holy hell, look at his poor face! I feel sick. And the way that Sloop is sitting there with him, almost cuddling him...what a monster! :sad3:

As much as I hate this photo, I'm glad she posted it. One more piece of evidence to put these two away forever. Way to go, murderous cunts!

AussieMum
May 19th, 2010, 10:01 AM
Anyone notice the caption under the photo?

My two favourite boys!!! Keeping in mind this ugly fuck had already beat the crap out of her only child!!

cheeseburgersanchez
May 19th, 2010, 11:42 AM
That photo should be stapled to the head of the judge who made the fucking order which sent Ethan to his own personal hell.

Can we at least email it to her?

Ravyn1965
May 19th, 2010, 12:03 PM
ARGH!!! I want to hurt them like they've never been hurt before. That picture just breaks my heart into a million pieces.

So much for her being afraid of her waste of skin husband. She obviously wasn't afraid enough to snap pictures of Ethan in an injured state in that schmuck's presence. I hope the prosecution picks up on that.

redsaid
May 19th, 2010, 12:54 PM
Can we at least email it to her?

I can understand a judge is busy. But she didn't read the case! If she lives another day without torturing herself for not having due diligence, she is just as bad as the people who see a child getting beat and do nothing! IE. the "mother"

Lizard
May 19th, 2010, 01:53 PM
That caption. That fucking caption. Fuck, fuck, FUCK!

Ninja0980
May 19th, 2010, 02:08 PM
This case angers me on so many levels.. and that photo just ups the ante
There are times when a trial isn't needed. And this is one of them.They're both guilty as sin! Find them guilty now and hang them in the town square.
This also BETTER not be a case where the egg donor uses the "I was abused,in fear of my life etc" excuse to get lesser charges or a walk like in other cases. This bitch was just as much of the torture and abuse as Ethan as her penis was. IMO, she put those photos on there as a way to torment the dad. She deserves the DP right along with her POS hubby.
And finally to end my rant, I've noticed this case has been absent on some "crime" websites. Those "crime" websites are ones where the daddies are always portrayed as the evil monsters taking kids away from their mothers or courts ignoring the parents wishes. I guess they can't use their agenda on this case so they pretend poor Ethan doesn't exist.

RIP Ethan

redsaid
May 19th, 2010, 02:21 PM
IMO, she put those photos on there as a way to torment the dad. She deserves the DP right along with her POS hubby.
EEkkk. I hadn't thought of that. She must have rocks in her soul and burrs in her heart.

cheeseburgersanchez
May 19th, 2010, 02:29 PM
I can understand a judge is busy. But she didn't read the case! If she lives another day without torturing herself for not having due diligence, she is just as bad as the people who see a child getting beat and do nothing! IE. the "mother"

I agree with you! I completly believe Ethans bood is all over her robes. But, we will never be able to staple it to her forehead, we might be able to email it to her. And the statement she made about this has left me seething. Nope Joe Stacy should feel blame for this, but she sure as hell should. I want to mass email this picture to her office.

redsaid
May 19th, 2010, 03:13 PM
I'm in. Just let me know where to sign.

LestYeBeJudged
May 19th, 2010, 04:16 PM
They would bring them under "Shelby's Law," which made child abuse that leads to death, a potential death penalty crime. It was prompted by the murder of 10-year-old Shelby Andrews in 2006.

I don't see Shelby's story on here. Did I miss it?

cheeseburgersanchez
May 19th, 2010, 04:18 PM
couldn't find an email, this was all I could find

http://www.ninthcircuit.org/judges/circuit_judges/maura_smith.shtml

cheeseburgersanchez
May 19th, 2010, 04:22 PM
I don't see Shelby's story on here. Did I miss it?

I found this article about the Sloop's that has a blurb about Shelby.

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/state/story/Shelbys-Law-and-what-it-might-mean-for-the-Sloops/83CF6xw0VECGOsaTyHQjBA.cspx

Whisper
May 19th, 2010, 04:32 PM
Shelby's Law and what it might mean for the Sloops

If Nathan and Stephanie Sloop are convicted and get the death penalty, it may well be because of a Utah law passed just a few years ago.

That law is called Shelby's Law.



In many ways, this horrible week feels like 2006 all over again.

In August of that year, 10 year old Shelby Andrews was killed by her father and step-mother.

But her death gave life to the law that bears her name.

Shelby was beaten, tortured and sexually abused.

Bruises covered 80 percent of her body.

Even hardened lawmen were left shaken.

Shelby's father and step-mother both got 15 to life.

But they didn't get death sentences because of the way Utah’s law was written.

Representative Paul Ray was so outraged by Shelby Andrews' death, he got a bill passed the very next year.

Shelby's law now makes it easier for Utah child killers to get the death penalty.

Friday, Representative Ray told ABC 4,

"I don't want taxpayers paying $32,000 dollars a year to house this guy for the rest of his life and so it's come down simply to he's better off being removed from the gene pool."

Ray is saddened and stunned Shelby's law now has to be used just 3 years later.

While it does help punish killers, he knows it can't bring back their victims.

As Shelby's mom said a few painful years ago,

"I was waiting for the day I could help her pick out her wedding dress and be there when her first baby was born. I am never going to see that now."

Ray says he is now thinking about another bill for next year's legislature.

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top%20stories/story/Shelbys-Law-and-what-it-might-mean-for-the-Sloops/83CF6xw0VECGOsaTyHQjBA.cspx

redsaid
May 19th, 2010, 04:52 PM
couldn't find an email, this was all I could find

http://www.ninthcircuit.org/judges/circuit_judges/maura_smith.shtml

I coudn't find anything either...

AngelFire
May 19th, 2010, 05:05 PM
I am in the same condition that you all are, in a fucking rage over this story. There are so many levels of evil committed before this baby died such a heinous and horrible death. I don't know who I am more angry at, the cum bucket, the pencil dick, or the fucking stupid judge.

I hold the mickey mouse judge that sent Ethan to an early death, as responsible as the fucking useless cunt, and soon to be prison bitch. She will never find anything that will wash away Ethan's blood from her hands.
Nothing will ever remove the blood stained hands this piece of shit judge has now.

To the fucking dumb ass, twat judge.....Live with it you fucking stupid bitch, live with the knowledge that you helped MURDER a helpless little 4 year old boy. You assisted in snuffing away his precious life. Not only did you help murder this gift of life that was Ethan, but you also murdered his daddy's soul. That man will never be whole again, and that is also your fault. I can only hope and pray that you meet the same fate, tortured and killed like the waste that you are.

If I could, I would hand YOU the death penalty and made damn sure it was in the most inhumane way, and carried quickly. Now that would be justice.

redsaid
May 19th, 2010, 05:40 PM
I kinda hold the judge responsible for not preventing the murder, but I hold the abominations of life for committing the murder. And if we hold the "mother" responsible, even if she just stood by and did nothing, (which I don't believe) then I believe we must hold the judge just as responsible. The judge didn't just stand there and do nothing, she made a conscious decision that she knew would affect these peoples lives. And it did. I might be a little less harsh on her, if I didn’t know there were facts that she ignored when she made that decision. Because of her decision and her decision alone, she set in motion the events that followed. No matter what the legal system, her colleagues, or she herself thinks - this woman IS responsible. And we know it. Shame on you Maura T. Smith of the Ninth Judicial Circuit Court of Florida in Orlando. Shame one you.

Whisper
May 19th, 2010, 06:04 PM
COUPLE MORE PICS I FOUND
He really reminds me of my Casey at that age

http://i48.tinypic.com/96w9so.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/sywbqa.jpg

AngelFire
May 19th, 2010, 06:06 PM
You can almost feel his happiness. Argh, I can't take this much longer.

donegaveup
May 19th, 2010, 06:35 PM
I can't help but think that this picture was posted on Facebook as a way to cover their asses on down the line against child abuse allegations. IF Ethan had been allowed to live you know he would have told his dad everything and the shit would have hit the fan. I think maybe their original plan was to blame Ethan's injuries on an accident using the picture as "proof" that Ethan and the male monster were good buds and that he would never and could never hurt him. I can think of no other reason why ANYBODY would post a picture of a little kid with facial injuries like that. Just because he has Ethan on his lap playing video games DOES NOT prove a thing. Doesn't convince me Ethan wasn't terrified of him. Doesn't prove to me that this is a nice guy that wouldn't hurt a fly, much less a kid. But I bet they think it proves just that. If that was their plan it certainly backfired on them when Ethan wound up dead.

Now I read Ninja has made a very valid point. Thinking they used the picture as a way to torment the father is probably as true as it is chilling.

I can't even think clear enough to express myself, this is all too ungodly horrific.

Marv
May 19th, 2010, 06:41 PM
The contrast between the happy little Ethan in the photo's of him with his daddy, and the beaten and broken little Ethan sitting with that evil fucker is just so mindblowing.

They did that to him in just a few short days. Turned him from someone beautiful and perfect, to someone broken, confused and scared.

And she stood there and took photo's of him looking like that. Took photo's and posted them on line! What the FUCK was going through her head? I mean, did they really think they would get away with the whole ''oh, he wandered off'' story when his broken little body was found and the photo's were seen?

Did she really hate Joe and Ethan so much, that she was willing to go to jail, or die, if it meant she could inflict such terrible pain on them both?

And I don't belive for a second that she was scared of Nathan. I think he was so wrapped up in her, and his soul was so rotted, that he was happy to do anything she wanted. Including torturing a small, helpless child to death.


I really and truly don't think there are two people I have hated more than the Sloops.

Nell
May 19th, 2010, 06:47 PM
I wanna cry. I need to not read this thread but i do. I haven't seen my boys in almost a year and i want to so much. I would never harm them ever and she did. She had the chance i can't find to love on that baby and she let this happen.

Whisper
May 19th, 2010, 06:52 PM
He looks so much like my Casey
Even hubby just looked and asked why I have Caseys pics on here(he weird like that) I explained who it was and he just walked out and didnt say a word
Casey always had out hate and sungalss's on like that and would take my moms scarves and wraP them around his arms and act like Rambo
I bet Ethan role played too in dads hat and sunglass'

AngelFire
May 19th, 2010, 06:56 PM
The Sloops are the devils spawns. I hope and pray with all my might that their final days are the most horrific, and evil, and that they see Ethan's sweet face and know that they will be judged one day, and severly. Marv, I HATE them too

Silvahalo
May 19th, 2010, 07:51 PM
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=10814747&autostart=y

http://i45.tinypic.com/10f6yl5.jpg


I just about lost my dinner seeing this picture! this is sick and twisted, and I agree, this show's the terrible suffering Ethan went through. Beat then force to play with his abuser?? how wicked is that? but you know I imagine the photo was staged, Ethan was not really playing, it was all for show to post as if to say, "oh, lookie how cute they're playing together".....NOT!

breaks my heart, simply breaks!

redsaid
May 19th, 2010, 08:11 PM
RE: posting the pics for everyone to see
All of the theories I have read about, I hope the prosecutors have the ability to fathom that this is a factor.
I remember shying away from my abusers. The body language in that pic says a few things to me. The dickhead’s leg is angled away from Ethan’s. Ethan’s right hand is curled up in front of his chest, away from the offending arm. Ethan doesn’t seem to be snuggled into dickheads embrace. But this all could be because Ethan was not Ethan anymore.
To post that pic was heinous. Is clearly shows no remorse, and premeditation. Clearly.

Silvahalo
May 19th, 2010, 08:14 PM
These are pictures from Ethan's viewing. His funeral was today. Makes me so very sad that it couldn't be an actual viewing. I'm glad to see Joe has a good support system, his fiancee was there by his side.

My heart goes out to family, especially Joe Stacy.

(click picture)
http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s341/silvahalo68/Fallen%20angels/abused%20children/7d1374ad.jpg (http://extras.sltrib.com/tribphoto/Gallery.asp?ID=361071&PubDate=2010-05-19&GID=ETHANa_0518110)
ADDITIONAL PICTURES WITH MUSIC FROM FUNERAL (http://166.70.44.68/multimedia/2010/ethanstacyfuneral/index.html)


Though Joe Stacy acknowledged part of him still believes his son Ethan will come home, lighting up the room with his crooked grin, the grieving father's thoughts turned to remembering his son Wednesday (http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15118572?source=rv).
"I haven't reached the point that any of this has happened to me or to him. It hasn't hit," he said outside the chapel at the Grundy Funeral Home before Ethan's funeral. "I still want to believe that he's coming home, even though I know he's not."
He decided not to dwell on the tragic circumstances surrounding the 4-year-old's passing.
"Right now I just want to take care of my son," the 35-year-old said. "I'm remembering all the good times. There were
no bad times, there were only good times."

[...]
Tammy Childress, Elswick's sister, made navy and yellow ribbons for mourners to wear in remembrance of Ethan and to raise awareness of child abuse.
Through heavy sobs, she said, "I don't want people to forget because this is the only way this will ever make sense, if another child is saved."
Lucy Hicks, Elswick's mother, said Ethan visited her while she was in the hospital and kissed all of her bruises from where she was poked with needles. She broke down crying when she hugged her future son-in-law.
"I told him that all my boo-boos Ethan kissed were better now, and that Ethan's boo-boos are better now, too, because God kissed them away," she said.


I can't finish reading this now, "Ethan's boo-boos are better now".....oh God, this too much.

Lizard
May 19th, 2010, 08:25 PM
If I stop hyperventilating long enough to actually LOOK at the photo, I see a little boy who is scared and confused shitless and a waste of oxygen exerting control over the boy. Yes, you REALLY can play a video game when your arm is around a child. Not. Staged. Staged. Staged.

Silvahalo
May 19th, 2010, 08:32 PM
Didn't see this here. Judge says 'Sorry For Loss' of Ethan (http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15079390?source=pkg)


A Florida judge who oversaw the divorce proceedings between Joe and Stephanie Stacy -- including the custody rights involving their 4-year-old son, Ethan -- says she never heard arguments that the child would be in danger with his mother.
"Sometimes both parties come to court to get their agreement approved and to get the divorce decree that incorporates the marital agreement," Judge Maura T. Smith of the 9th Judicial Circuit Court of Florida said. "But there was no discussion about what was in the agreement other than some of the financial aspects, and usually these cases last less than 10 minutes."
In divorce papers filed last year, Ethan Stacy's father outlined his fears about leaving the 4-year-old boy with his mother.
"The mother has abandoned the child and I'm afraid the mother will come and take him and I'll never see him again," Joe Stacy wrote in an emergency petition for temporary custody of Ethan, calling her "unstable."
But his ex-wife did end up with visitation rights for the boy. And this week, police say, Stephanie Sloop's new husband, Nathan Sloop, beat the child to death while his mother attempted to cover up the crime.

Sorry doesn't even begin to cut it! I hope she is force to view every tormenting picture, especially the on from FB. I hope the standard on how these proceedings are done are changed. Everything read and looked over carefully.

Silvahalo
May 19th, 2010, 08:48 PM
McEntee: Abused, tortured 4-year-old's death is beyond horrific (http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15091066?source=pkg)


In his photograph, Ethan Stacy looks like he's playing a tiny monster, grimacing and making a claw with his hand. It's what any 4-year-old might do when someone bigger pokes a camera in his face.
In life, monstrosity found Ethan. He was scalded and beaten to death. His face was disfigured with a hammer before he was buried.
It's beyond comprehension that this happened.

Nathan Sloop and Ethan's mother, Stephanie Sloop, are in jail. Prosecutors say pending charges could include aggravated murder, a capital offense, against both.
Those of us on the outside of this horror can only imagine why Ethan had to die. News reports tell us that Nathan was an explosively violent man who had abused his first wife. They tell us that Ethan's father, Joe Stacy, feared for his son if Stephanie got partial custody, which under a court order she did.

With Stephanie there's always the possibility that she was abused, too, and feared for her life if she didn't do what her husband wanted her to. After all, his former wife said he was brutal with her.
I've spoken with some therapists who, while not involved in the Sloop case, have experience with child and spousal abuse.
A woman who is the victim of intense domestic violence will fear for her life, and may not have the capacity to protect her children. An abused child may turn inward, unable or too afraid to ask for help.True that, we've seen it time and time again. Self preservation and all that....but I can tell you with out a doubt, would not matter how scared I was, the fucker beating on my child would lose a head. The visual of that photo as described, will never leave my mind...

Lizard
May 19th, 2010, 08:52 PM
Try not to flip when I ask this, okay? Deep breaths and calmness.

Is there even the SLIGHTEST possibility that she took and posted that photo hoping that someone would see it and intervene?

Ravyn1965
May 19th, 2010, 08:58 PM
Is there even the SLIGHTEST possibility that she took and posted that photo hoping that someone would see it and intervene?

If not for the caption underneath, I would say yes.

ETA - I'm basing my answer on what could have been in her mind when she snapped this photo. But as I said, once she posted it with that sickening caption underneath, all bets were off.

And what she did beyond taking that photo clearly blows that theory completely out of the water.

-She went ahead and married this sniveling sack of shit after he beat the living daylights out of her son. I'm sorry, fear or no fear, the thought of marrying someone, even under duress, who brutalized my child in such a heinous manner would make me projectile vomit nonstop.

-She left her mortally wounded child alone and locked in a room when she went to get herself hitched to aforementioned sack of shit. And she has the unmitigated gall to refer to that innocent baby as one of her favorite men and lumping his murderer in the same category? That is sick, twisted and vile. Only someone with an empty, black hole for a heart could do that.

-She stood by and watched as this heinous monster smashed her dead child's face in with a hammer. There was no love in this woman's black hole of a heart for this boy. There was only hate and jealousy for the man that helped her create him and selfish thoughts of self preservation.

May she and her POS husband rot in hell.

Sorry, you said not to flip. I apologize.

MC30
May 19th, 2010, 09:00 PM
Try not to flip when I ask this, okay? Deep breaths and calmness.

Is there even the SLIGHTEST possibility that she took and posted that photo hoping that someone would see it and intervene?

like who? the interweb fairy?

not even being rude.
i don't think so.

Whisper
May 19th, 2010, 09:01 PM
Try not to flip when I ask this, okay? Deep breaths and calmness.

Is there even the SLIGHTEST possibility that she took and posted that photo hoping that someone would see it and intervene?
If I hadnt read everything I have all week and its all "me,me,me" then I might say yes
But shes a very selfish person (IMO)
I have been in a abusive relationship and I was terrified of the freak but "he telled at Casey when he was 3/4 and I was gone that hour!
Hubby kicked his ass after he found out what had been happening
(we had been seperated,thats also when my jaw got busted with an iron as I was leaving)

Whisper
May 19th, 2010, 09:06 PM
[So in my opinion theres always the strength to walk,or grab you kid and fucking run
Her"modelling" pics and her blogs I have read shes too selfish to help Ethan
And the pic of Ethan and the penis is a ploy for court cases coming up and wouldnt shock me a bit of its photo shopped somehow(I dont know how to do it but I would bet its possible)

Lizard
May 19th, 2010, 09:10 PM
Please, don't misunderstand. I am not trying to give her a pass. I'm just trying to wrap my head around how Ethan arrived to visit his mother and wound up dead a mere 10 days later and what roles were played by Stepfucker and Egg Donor.

cubby
May 19th, 2010, 09:18 PM
and the fact that she left the house on her own several times throughout this and never told anyone not even a whisper. If she was not allowed to leave the house and beaten herself, maybe I could see it. But she went out at 5 am to get medicine for him and didn't say anything at the store where she got the medicine. That would have been a great time to have told, catch him off-guard. she cuold have come back slipped in got Ethan and let the police have at him.
This makes me even more sad because
My almost grandchild was to be named Christopher Ethan, long story short, girlfriend lied and faked the ultrsound, but my son was so happy and then he had to find out what she did to him.

I hope these evil people die every horrible death it is possible to die.

Silvahalo
May 19th, 2010, 11:58 PM
If there was even a splinter of a moment that she thought, "omg, I must do something...he's gone crazy!"....she got over it in 5 sec.

Seriously, I cannot even apply the battered woman syndrome in terms of not defending her child because of fear for her own life. As was said, she had many opportunities to do something, anything and she failed. She simply didn't care. Like this evil fuck, fucked her evil. Not that she was a stellar mom to begin with, but damn, 10 day and she goes from bitch, to evil cunt.

She failed, big fat ZERO.

Whisper
May 20th, 2010, 02:03 AM
Ethan's uncle: 'Why did it have to come to this?'
Greg Croft knew his half-sister, Stephanie Sloop, was high-strung and excitable, but nothing prepared him for the sickening news that she may have watched her 4-year-old son, Ethan Stacy, slowly die after being beaten and burned.
"I never got the impression she would be capable of something like this," says Croft, 35, who first met Sloop, 27, three years ago when she found him on the social networking site MySpace. "I just keep asking 'Why? Why did it have to come to this?'"
Croft and Sloop have the same father, who Croft described Wednesday as "a rolling stone" who had little involvement in either of their lives.
Both are natives of Michigan, though Sloop moved as a young child with her mother to Florida. Except for a short stint in Florida as a boy, Croft, a computer systems support engineer and part-time photographer, has always lived near Detroit.
Sloop and her husband, Nathan Sloop, 31, are in the Davis County Jail on suspicion of child abuse and murder in the May 9 death of Ethan Stacy. The youngster had been with the couple for just over a week, the start of a summer in his mother's custody, which was the result of a divorce agreement.
[...]
Croft said he is still trying to absorb the news of his nephew's death and the authorities' belief that his sister was complicit in the boy's death and its cover-up. "I know I could not sit back and allow anyone, including my own spouse, to abuse my children," said Croft, who has been married 12 years and has two children. "A part of me wants to say she had nothing to do with this, but the reality is a whole different thing."
When Croft thinks back to that day in 2007 when Sloop first left a message for him on the networking site, he remembers it as "a pretty joyful experience."
He always knew he had a younger sister and that she lived in Florida, but he'd seen her only once when she was an infant.
Just the year before, he had lost his beloved mother. "For a long time, I felt alone because I'm an only child."
[...]
Soon they were visiting each others' homes, including Thanksgiving week in 2008 when the Stacy family of five, including Joe Stacy's two teenagers, stayed with the Croft family in Michigan.
Croft and Sloop even tracked down their father and for the first time met their half-brother, a teen who lives with their father in Michigan.
Sloop apparently met her former husband Stacy while the two were in the U.S. Army, Croft said. She was no longer enlisted in 2007.
By all appearances, she loved her son, he said. She often captured photos and occasionally videos of Ethan acting silly and texted them to her brother, he said.
[...]
In mid-2009, Sloop said she and her husband were having trouble. She moved to Las Vegas to find work.
It was apparently there that she hooked up with Nathan Sloop, who Croft believes is the older brother of one of her high school classmates. By mid-October, Sloop told her brother she was in Utah with her new beau.
Not long after that, Sloop made enthusiastic postings on Facebook almost every day, counting down the days until her marriage, which was to have been July 4 in Colorado.
Her postings struck her brother as "too much." She mentioned Nathan Sloop's fight to see his daughter and her own inexplicable loss of twins, a pregnancy, she said, that could have taken her life.
"It was overkill," said Croft.
Croft said he wasn't clear how the couple supported themselves, though at one point Sloop told him she'd lost her job when a Blockbuster store closed.
The last time Sloop contacted her brother was on May 5. She texted him that she and Nathan Sloop were going to a courthouse the next day to get married so that they could apply for food stamps, Medicaid and other public assistance, he said. Their "real" wedding in Colorado was still on, she told him.
In probable cause statements filed with the court, Layton police said the couple did indeed get married at the Davis County Courthouse on May 6, after locking Ethan into his bedroom for fear his bruises would alert authorities to abuse.
Croft says he hasn't decided whether he will ever speak again to his sister.

I don't know how I could justify that with my own children," he said. "This is a big mess she's a part of and she needs to atone for it one way or the other." http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15121178?source=rss

Marv
May 20th, 2010, 04:34 AM
Sloop made enthusiastic postings on Facebook almost every day, counting down the days until her marriage, which was to have been July 4 in Colorado.


Kind of blows her whole 'I was too scared of him to protect my son' bull crap excuse to tiny bits.


those funeral photo's, Silva. Jeez. Ethan's family have to make do with seeing him on a screen, not able to actually see him, one last time, to say goodbye. Another knife in their hearts, courtesy of Stephanie and Nathan.

Whisper
May 22nd, 2010, 07:52 PM
Dad recalls conversations prior to discovery of boy's bodyPhone calls » Five days in a row, accused killer wouldn't let 4-year-old talk to his father.The Salt Lake Tribune


Richlands, Va. » When Joe Stacy received a call from his ex-wife's new husband on Mother's Day, he knew something was wrong.
For a fifth straight day, Nathan Sloop wouldn't allow 4-year-old Ethan to talk to his father, but Stacy and fiancee Becky Elswick sensed something else was off as well.
"His whole tone had changed. He just didn't seem the same. We even made comments about it," Elswick said during a Thursday interview at the apartment she and Stacy share above a gas station in Richlands.
The day after Ethan's funeral, the pair described their interactions with Nathan and Stephanie Sloop, Ethan's mother, in the days leading up to the May 11 discovery of the boy's battered body in a shallow grave near Powder Mountain ski resort. The Sloops are in the Davis County jail on suspicion of child abuse and aggravated murder in Ethan's death.
The morning after the troubling May 9 call, Elswick said she opened the mail to find a Mother's Day card signed "From your son, Ethan" in Stephanie Sloop's handwriting.

"She hated me, so that was completely out of character for Stephanie," Elswick said.
Then on May 11, what Joe and Becky viewed as odd behavior came together in one nightmarish phone call.
Nathan Sloop telephoned in the middle of the night to say Ethan was missing.
The boy had been wandering away from their apartment, he said, and Sloop told Stacy he had stacked items
near the door so they would make noise if the door opened. When Sloop heard the noise, he woke up, threw on a pair of pants and ran to the door within 45 seconds, he told Stacy.
"I did not believe him whatsoever," Stacy said, standing in the doorway of his son's bedroom, where photos, flowers and other gifts sent from around the country in Ethan's memory are piled on a blue bedspread depicting the Disney movie, "Cars." "A little boy just doesn't disappear, nowhere to be seen, in 45 seconds."
During the call, Sloop handed the phone to a Layton police officer who confirmed Ethan was missing. But because Stacy said Sloop had lied to him before, he immediately called the police station to confirm the story.
Later that evening, the nightmare turned to hell when Layton police informed Stacy his son's body had been found buried near a trail.
Stacy said police realized there may be a problem after Stacy told them Stephanie Sloop had told him Ethan's jaw was "a mess" due to an allergic reaction to grapefruit. Nathan Sloop, in contrast, had told police Ethan had reacted to a peanut allergy.
Stephanie Sloop had told Stacy and Elswick she had to clip Ethan's nails because he had scratched his jaw so much.
"He had no allergy problems before. He was allergic to nothing. He ate a variety of foods," Stacy said, adding that Ethan was particularly fond of bone-shaped graham crackers called Scooby Snacks, a box of which is still in Stacy's cupboard.
The reality that Stacy won't hear his son noisily sucking on his fingers while sleeping or that the boy won't come bounding out of his bedroom to curl up on Elswick's lap as the couple watch the morning news still hasn't hit.
[...]
At the Food City where Stacy's mother, Peggy Akers, worked for years, a table sits at the front entrance with a picture of Ethan climbing in a tree and a white bucket for donations to help the Stacy family with funeral costs. In a week, the townspeople had donated $1,000.
"That's mostly in nickels, dimes and quarters, though one gentleman put in a $50 bill," said Phyllis Scott, store manager and a longtime friend of Akers'.
Residents of Grundy and Richlands today will gather to walk nearly five miles and release blue balloons in Ethan's memory.
[...]
"They were just as happy as could be," Scott said.
She added Ethan may have inadvertently saved his grandmother's life.
Last October, Ethan reached up and gave his grandmother a big hug around the neck. For the next couple of days, Akers was in significant pain. She went to the doctor and learned Ethan's hug had repositioned a fish bone stuck in her throat. She had surgery to remove it.
"If little Ethan hadn't hugged her, I don't know what would have happened to Peggy," Scott said.
"I've used the PA system a lot to get people to donate. If one of us is in trouble, we're all in trouble," she said. "It's going to take a long time for all of us to heal."
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15142408?source=rss

Whisper
May 22nd, 2010, 11:57 PM
This explains the similarities between Shelby and Ethans cases and how rthat law can get DP for Ethans murderers
Ethan Stacy case may put 'Shelby's Law' to use for first time
The two cases share heartbreaking similarities.
Both children were found murdered, victims of unspeakable child abuse.
Both cases would rally a community angered by how someone could kill an innocent child.
But the cases of 4-year-old Ethan Stacy, found dead in a shallow grave near the Powder Mountain Ski Resort earlier this month, and Shelby Andrews, killed three years ago after suffering a year of abuse at the hands of her family, differ in at least one respect.
Ethan's mother and stepfather, Stephanie and Nathan Sloop of Layton, may face the death penalty for his slaying.
Shelby's father and stepmother, Ryan and Angela Andrews of Syracuse, couldn't face a death sentence because the law wouldn't allow it.
But outrage over Shelby's horrific death spurred Utah lawmakers to toughen the penalties for murdering a child -- opening the door for capital punishment in cases like Ethan's.
Now, with charges against the Sloops pending in 2nd District Court, Shelby's Law may be put to use for the first time.
The law -- sponsored by Republican Rep. Paul Ray of Clearfield and signed by Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. in 2007 -- added the intentional murder of a child under 14 to the list of offenses that can bring a death sentence.
The amendments meant prosecutors would no longer have to prove that a killing was intentional to seek the death penalty if a child died during an act of abuse, sexual assault or kidnapping.
When Shelby was killed, existing law didn't allow prosecutors to file aggravated murder charges because they couldn't prove the girl's death was intentional.
"It's a law that when it passes, you hope you never have to use it," said Ray. "But it's gratifying that it's on the books and that we can make these people pay the ultimate price."
[...]
Rawlings said he hopes the state Medical Examiner's Office will be able to make that determination by late next week, allowing prosecutors to make more decisions about how to move forward with Ethan's case.
He said had the current law existed when Shelby died, prosecutors would have pursued the death penalty for the Andrewses. Ethan's case, Rawlings said, is "still actively in progress," but using Shelby's Law hasn't been ruled out.
"Once we know all of the facts, we will take a look at all the potentially relevant provisions. Shelby's Law -- amendments to the aggravated murder statute -- will be at the top of our list," Rawlings said.
Shelby, 10, had bites and bruises on 80 percent of her body when she died on Aug. 1, 2006. The girl was beaten, kicked and forced to eat her own feces over the course of a year in what prosecutors said was an attempt by her parents to discipline her. Other siblings in the home were encouraged to take part in beating the girl. On one occasion, those attacks included striking her in the genitals with an aerosol can as her father held her arms to keep her from fighting back.
The day Shelby died, her stepmother beat her head into a wooden banister and forced her into a linen closet, where she suffocated. The space between the closet's shelves and door was so small she couldn't breathe.
The girl's father and stepmother ignored her pleas for help as they watched television together in the next room. Later, her dead body fell out of the closet when they opened the door to check on her.
Ryan and Angela Andrews are both serving 15 years to life in prison for their roles in the slaying. They aren't scheduled to go before the Utah Board of Pardons and Parole until 2041.
Others involved in the aftermath of Shelby's murder have mixed emotions to know the legislation created after her death may be put to use.
Syracuse police Lt. Tracy Jensen, who screened charges against Shelby's parents after her killing, remembers his frustration after discovering the couple weren't eligible for capital punishment. Syracuse police officers testified before the Legislature in favor of changing the law.
"This was a heinous crime. In law enforcement you can't fabricate someone hurting their own child, or allowing someone else to hurt their own child," Jensen said of Shelby's slaying. "A lot of officers were frustrated and mad at the system. This child didn't just die. She died as a result of something someone did to her. Her case will never be forgotten."
The girl's 2006 obituary described her as a "bright, warm, amazing, beautiful, radiant young lady" who loved music, dancing, basketball and "everything about being a girl."
"We will miss our Tinker Bell," her family wrote.
A year after her death, Shelby's family found some closure when donations paid for a new headstone at her West Jordan grave site. The family had previously been unable to afford the tribute, marking her grave instead with a tiny brass plaque.

After community members donated $2,000, Shelby's family gathered to celebrate her 12th birthday and decorated the grave with balloons and stuffed animals.
Her mother, Kimberly Hale, said at the time she didn't want her daughter to be forgotten.
"It's really important to us that people know she's there," Hale said. http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15142745?source=rss

Lia
May 23rd, 2010, 04:13 PM
On May 5, Ethan's eventual stepfather, Nathan Sloop, took the boy into a bedroom, closed the door and began slapping him and beating him around the head and face, according to an interview with the boy's mother, Stephanie Sloop, in police documents.

There, see? The door was closed, and she was on the outside of it; she knew, could hear what was happening to a four year old child, her child; but, did she run for the police? Did she call 911? Did she even beat on the door, turn the handle, try to stop the abuse? Did she threaten even to call the police? NO!!!

This mother murdered her son as surely as Nathan Sloop did! Charge her with murder!



"Stephanie also told us that both she and Nate gave Ethan Motrin and Benadryl, to help with the swelling, and that Nate gave Ethan the Benadryl to keep Ethan quiet," one of the affidavits states. "Stephanie again told us that she knew that Ethan needed medical attention, but did not get it for him."

There can be absolutely no excuse whatsoever for this crucial lack of judgement on the mother’s behalf. This has to be tantamount to premeditated murder, surely… Why don’t charges and sentences equal the crime? If it’s murder, then CHARGE her with murder! When a person lacks empathy, for anyone, let alone a defenceless child, we call them a Sociopath. Stephanie definitely lacks empathy; she lacks even the basic rudiments of maternal instincts!

This mother murdered her son as surely as Nathan Sloop did! Charge her with murder!



During the next three days, Ethan would not eat, was lethargic, had a fever and was vomiting. The couple forced the boy to drink water, Kool-Aid and orange juice. They gave him Benadryl and Motrin to take down the swelling and subdue him, but did not seek medical attention…

Now, I’m not a mother, yet; but these symptoms would scare the heck outta me, and would make me run barefoot, if necessary, carrying my child in my arms, to the nearest hospital… did Stephanie do that? NO!!!

This mother murdered her son as surely as Nathan Sloop did! Charge her with murder!


On Friday, Stephanie Sloop returned to their Layton apartment after shopping at Wal-Mart to find the boy was badly burned on his feet and legs from an overly hot bath. Nathan Sloop told her it was an accident.

Wait, wait! She was out, at Wal-mart? And this was after the beating some days before, yet, before the scalding? So, now, I’m guessing here guys… gimme a minute… so, she stopped the first cop car and begged them to help her son? Ok, so she called the paramedics? Oh c’mon guys, sure she did; NO? She did absolutely nothing, NOTHING, to try to help her defenceless son?

This mother murdered her son as surely as Nathan Sloop did! Charge her with murder!



She said she did not believe him but still did not seek medical help because her husband would hurt her,

Whilst she was at Wal-Mart, he’d hurt her? How?



She said Ethan was asleep in bed when she checked on him at 3 a.m. Sunday. She went to the pharmacy for a prescription for her husband…

And, yet again, another missed opportunity to help her son, by running to someone, anyone, for assistance? Telling the pharmacist would have been good, no?

This mother murdered her son as surely as Nathan Sloop did! Charge her with murder!

Whisper
May 23rd, 2010, 04:35 PM
Ethan didn't have to die
(CNN) -- When 4-year-old Ethan Stacy was reluctantly sent off to spend the summer with his mother late last month, he was in effect being given a death sentence.
The child never had a chance. He was dead within two weeks of arriving at the apartment in Layton, Utah, where his mother lived with her fiancé.

What could have been done to save him?
"I don't have a good answer for you," Layton police Lt. Garret Atkin, one of many law enforcement officers in Davis County, Utah, who are grieving for the boy who lived among them so briefly, told me.
The facts of what happened to Ethan speak for themselves:
He was living with his father, Joe G. Stacy, in Richlands, Virginia. Stacy and his estranged wife, Stephanie, were involved in divorce proceedings. The divorce was being adjudicated in Florida, where they had lived before she moved west.
Joe Stacy, in a divorce court filing last November, warned of his fears.His estranged wife was "unstable," he wrote to the court: "The mother has abandoned the child and I'm afraid the mother will come and take him and I'll never see him again."
But the judge in the divorce case, Maura T. Smith, told The Associated Press that she never read the filing. Judge Smith said that Ethan's parents had worked out a settlement, including shared custody, and that the finalization of their divorce last month was "cut and dried."
Part of the decree was that Ethan would live with his dad during the school year, and with his mother during the summer.
The child reportedly did not want to go to Utah with her. "I did not want him to go, and he didn't want to go at all," Joe Stacy told the Salt Lake Tribune. "He kept telling me he didn't want to go."
But in late April, the divorce agreement newly in effect, the boy was put on a plane to fly to Utah with his mother.
What allegedly happened next is described in affidavits prepared by the Layton Police Department:
Ethan, his mother and her fiancé, Nathan Sloop, began living in their Layton home.
On May 5, Nathan Sloop, 31, took the 4-year-old child into a bedroom and began slapping and hitting him on the face and head, police said. Ethan's face began to swell. Police said his mother did not alert anyone or seek medical attention for her son.
On May 6, the couple went to the county courthouse in Farmington, Utah, to get married. They did not bring Ethan with them. The reason, according to police, was that they were "afraid to take him out in public with the swelling and bruising to his face," because they thought that if anyone saw Ethan's injuries, they would call authorities.
So, police detectives said, they removed the inside doorknob of the bedroom where they left Ethan, so he could not get out.
For the next three days, police said, Ethan was vomiting, was lethargic, had a fever, and was not able to eat. His symptoms were consistent with a possible brain injury. Instead of trying to help the child, Nathan Sloop engaged in "a systematic and progressively more violent pattern of abuse."
But no one knew. Joe Stacy had called his son every day after the child had been sent to Utah, but he told the Salt Lake Tribune that beginning on May 5, his former wife began to make excuses on the phone for why the boy could not talk to him. "I never did get a call back," Stacy told the paper.
On May 7, police said, Stephanie Sloop returned home from shopping to find that Ethan had been scalded on his feet, legs and buttocks. Nathan Sloop said the boy had burned himself in the bathtub.
[...]
On May 9 -- Mother's Day -- Ethan was found dead in his bed.
Police said that Nathan and Stephanie Sloop did not notify anyone, but instead began "to formulate a plan to dispose of the body and deceive law enforcement."
[....]
Police said Nathan Sloop took a hammer to Ethan's face and teeth, in an effort to make him unrecognizable should anyone ever find him. The boy was then buried.
Late the next night, Stephanie Sloop reported the child missing. She told the Layton police that Ethan had walked away from home. Some 40 officers, in foul weather, searched for the child. But before long the Sloops' story began to fall apart. Late on the afternoon of May 11, officers digging in the mud recovered his body.
Nathan and Stephanie Sloop are being held in the Davis County Jail. He is being held on suspicion of aggravated murder, felony child abuse, obstruction of justice and desecration of a corpse. She is being held on suspicion of felony child abuse, obstruction of justice and desecration of a corpse.
The Davis County prosecutor, Troy Rawlings, told me that he will file formal charges by next Friday, when the Sloops are scheduled to appear in court.
The body of Ethan Stacy, who had never wanted to leave his father in the first place, was flown back to Virginia last week. That is where, with summer coming, he was buried, this time with dignity and with love.http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/05/20/greene.ethan.stacy/index.html?section=cnn_latest
That is by Bob Greene Of CNN hes writing a book on Ethan


But no matter how many books are written and how many judges are blamed
Ethans gone and Im sorry in my opinion its not the judges fault
Who would ever think a mother would allow that to happen in front of her to her child
Ethans only crime was he wasnt Nathan Sloops evil seed
He was Joe Staceys son and with all the stories I have been posting lately on child abuse,the boyfriend/step dad is ALMOST always the main character
So b/c Ethan didnt have Nates DNA he also didnt have full love of his mom b.c a loving mom wouldve died before her child did
And the judge is just that a JUDGE that had to JUDGE the situation with what he had and from the looks of it Stephanie at one point loved Ethan although she was a habitual liar she still at one point loved him
From what Ive read she became infatuated with the sleezeball and Ethan became nothing more then a pawn to be used ibn a evil game of cat and mouse
And psychotic bitch actually went along with phone calls set up to make things seem normal
But by acting normal Joe and his fiance knew something was up and called repeatedly and still no answers
So Im sorry shes as guilty as he is and the judge had nothing to do with it at all
They have no more of a 6th sense then we do,they go on evidence and even the best of them are fooled

Aena
May 23rd, 2010, 06:20 PM
I keep coming back to this thread because I want to hear that this incubator and her cock are being charged with murder and are eligible for the DP. It would take me all day to try to explain why THIS murder of Ethan has pissed me off like no other case I have read about. I don't think I can fully comprehend myself why because there are so many reasons. The hammer to this poor baby's face, my god that just makes me shake with anger.

Now that I have caught up and seen all the pictures of this beautiful boy, I am crying and seething with anger at the same time, I am so angry I am almost tempted to fly there, commit a petty crime and try to get locked up with this bitch so I can harm her. I have never felt like this before and hope I never do again. I want to physically harm this woman, I want to make her feel what her son felt but 10x's worse. I want her to suffer like I have never seen/heard of anyone suffer before.

Whisper
May 23rd, 2010, 10:02 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/05/20/greene.ethan.stacy/index.html?section=cnn_latest
That is by Bob Greene Of CNN hes writing a book on Ethan


But no matter how many books are written and how many judges are blamed
Ethans gone and Im sorry in my opinion its not the judges fault
Who would ever think a mother would allow that to happen in front of her to her child
Ethans only crime was he wasnt Nathan Sloops evil seed
He was Joe Staceys son and with all the stories I have been posting lately on child abuse,the boyfriend/step dad is ALMOST always the main character
So b/c Ethan didnt have Nates DNA he also didnt have full love of his mom b.c a loving mom wouldve died before her child did
And the judge is just that a JUDGE that had to JUDGE the situation with what he had and from the looks of it Stephanie at one point loved Ethan although she was a habitual liar she still at one point loved him
From what Ive read she became infatuated with the sleezeball and Ethan became nothing more then a pawn to be used ibn a evil game of cat and mouse
And psychotic bitch actually went along with phone calls set up to make things seem normal
But by acting normal Joe and his fiance knew something was up and called repeatedly and still no answers
So Im sorry shes as guilty as he is and the judge had nothing to do with it at all
They have no more of a 6th sense then we do,they go on evidence and even the best of them are fooled
And make no mistake shes as guilty as him if not more b/c she sat back and let it happen
I am so hoping for the DP and for it to go through
I feel with this case they will not take DP off the table just like casey anthony
B/c it has taken on a life of its own,people are outraged and want death just like when CAYLEE was murdered
So I have no doubt they will both end up on DR

mystery
May 24th, 2010, 02:17 PM
Hundreds of people turned out for a march to honor a four-year-old southwest Virginia boy who was killed while visiting his mother in Utah.

The 1.5-mile event Sunday honored Ethan Stacy, whose body was found earlier this month. Utah officials say charges are pending against the boy's mother, Stephanie Sloop, and her husband, Nathan Sloop who are both being held in the Davis County Jail. Authorities allege that Nathan beat the boy for days, then disfigured his face before burying his body in a mountainside grave.

County prosecutors have said the couple will likely be charged with aggravated murder in the boy's death.

The walkers said they turned out in Richlands to draw attention to the problem of child abuse and to support Ethan's father, Joe Stacy.

On Saturday, about 400 people marched the 10.3-mile route from the Sloop's Layton apartment complex to the Davis County Justice Center, a gesture organizers say was intended as a symbolic call for justice for a child most here had never met.
http://www.whsv.com/virginiaap/headlines/94748859.html

CasperGirl
May 24th, 2010, 02:28 PM
Since I am in Florida at the moment, I had called my mom when I knew this was going to happen and then I called my brother and his wife, they along with my daughter and their two kids took part in this. My daughter had some developmental delays but when I talked to her about why this was so important she understood and really wanted to go also. My dad also knows Ethan's fathers family because Tazwell is such a small town every one knows everyone and thats where my dad is from. I haven't been able to get back to Virginia yet but when I do I am going to pay my respects then.

witzah
May 24th, 2010, 08:05 PM
Stephanie Sloop told her she planned on keeping Ethan "for good" after taking him back to Utah.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15099438?source=rss

perhaps im reading this quote out of context in terms of the timeline, because whispers quote was the sole reference to it in the entire thread. this quote suggests premeditation, cause she knew ethan was never going home once he made it to utah . . .

Whisper
May 24th, 2010, 08:30 PM
perhaps im reading this quote out of context in terms of the timeline, because whispers quote was the sole reference to it in the entire thread. this quote suggests premeditation, cause she knew ethan was never going home once he made it to utah . . .
WITZAH<3 my husband and I talked about that when I posted it
I read it to him and he said same thing you did

brokenandtwisted
May 24th, 2010, 08:38 PM
Oh Lord, what a tragic case. Incidentally...I do have a bathroom without a window and I could easily remove the doorknob, run to Home Depot and buy five bags of nails and a hammer...

Anyone up for some vigilante justice?! Maybe create a vigilance committee?! :crazy:

Silvahalo
May 24th, 2010, 09:00 PM
http://media.tricities.com/tricities/img-story/images/uploads/march5.jpg
Blue balloons float skyward in honor of the late Ethan Stacy in Richlands, Va (http://www2.tricities.com/tri/news/local/article/hundreds_gather_in_two_states_to_remember_a_life_c ut_tragically_short/46603/).,
on Sunday after being released during a ceremony at Richlands Town Hall.

Additional pictures from Stacy's funeral along with the music that played during the service. (http://166.70.44.68/multimedia/2010/ethanstacyfuneral/index.html)

From mystery's post. I think it's remarkable just how many people got involved in this march to remember Ethan and bring awareness to child abuse.

The mile-and-a-half march, held in memory of the 4-year-old beaten to death earlier this month while visiting his mother in Utah, drew nearly 400 people from all walks of life and several states.
Gabie Lawson, one of the organizers, said 150 signed up on the Facebook site for the walk, including people from West Virginia and Ohio.
More than twice that number showed up at Richlands High School, where the trek began with the distribution of balloons. The walkers came for a number of reasons, but a common goal was to draw attention to the problem of child abuse.
“I want everyone to understand how important it is for people not to leave their children alone regardless of their age,’ Cedar Bluff Town Council member Tonya Wicks said.

cheeseburgersanchez
May 24th, 2010, 09:54 PM
WITZAH<3 my husband and I talked about that when I posted it
I read it to him and he said same thing you did


Me too! She freaking warned them! I guarantee if she got the chance now, she would gloat to Joe Stacey. "I told you I wouldn't let you have him back." I truly feel like she was pissed because it wasn't all about her anymore. Joe and Ethan were happy without her. So she wanted to make it so they were not happy anymore. Selfish whore.

Whisper
May 24th, 2010, 10:24 PM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Nathan-and-Stephanie-Sloop-should-get-death-Penalty/126341820711405


facebook page to sign and get DP for the 2 baby murderers
ty cladd

brokenandtwisted
May 24th, 2010, 10:27 PM
Why DP? Wouldn't it be better to have them have life imprisonment? Once the boys in his cell block find out he's a baby murderer...well, I'd imagine it being unpleasant.

mystery
May 24th, 2010, 10:54 PM
A poem someone wrote on that facebook page.Ohhh, my heart aches "sob"


Jesse Perkins Dear Mommy,

I didn’t want to come to Utah
I’ll miss my daddy so
I don’t have any friends here
But, the judge told my daddy I had to go.

But, I think that we’ll have fun together-
Maybe we can go to the park?
Maybe we can watch cartoons
Or play hide and seek in the dark.

Maybe we can bake a cake
Or we can play on the slide
Or you know I like to color and draw-
We can use chalk on the street outside.

Mommy, I didn’t mean to fall
And drop your plate and make it shatter.
I was running too fast to help clean up
I’m sorry … the reason doesn’t matter.

Mommy, please – I’m really sorry
I will always do what you say
Or I know that I’ll get slapped again.
But, he seems to do it anyway.

Mommy, I’m sorry that I can’t stop crying
I’ll go straight to bed.
I just can’t help it… I’m so tired
Please tell him to stop hitting my head.

Mom, stop taking pictures-
I just don’t feel like I can smile.
Mom, can I please have some medicine?
My head’s been hurting for a while.

Mommy I’m sorry that I got so dirty
And, I know that it’s a lesson I have to learn.
Please let me out of this bath tub
It’s hot and my legs are starting to burn.

Mom, is that my dad on the phone?
Can I please tell him hi?
I promise I won’t tell him your boyfriend hurts me-
And, I promise I won’t cry.

Mom, please let me out of here.
I’m hungry and tired and sad.
Can I please have some dinner?
Just a little bit- I promise I won’t make you mad.

Mommy, where are you?
I need you to help me please.
Mommy…PLEASE… I need your help
I am begging on my knees.

Mommy, I think I’m tired now
I have no more tears to cry.
I probably won’t wake up this time
So, this is my goodbye-

Mommy- I am just so little
And, I didn’t mean to make you mad.
I’m going up to heaven now-
And, really….I’m kind of glad.

But, mom, one thing before I go
I just need to say-
Please tell my dad I love him.
But, I will be okay.

I am going to heaven now.
And I won’t hurt anymore.
I will smile and run around
And I will be able to act like I’m four.

Please-I never got to tell my dad
And, I just want him to be sure-
That he knows, that I know, that I was his world
And he tried to protect me from who he knew you were.

Mother- I can’t stay awake anymore
My eyes are closing…I can’t see.
I wonder if you will be shown the mercy
That you were never able to show me.

Tell my dad I’m sorry I couldn’t come home.
But I am going to heaven today.
But, I’ll be watching him from up above
And I’ll show him I’m there in my very own way.

He’ll see my smile in the sunshine
He’ll feel my warmth from it’s rays.
I will wait in heaven for him.
Until it’s his time to come this way.

Please bless my dad, and those who will cry
Because I am leaving earth this way.
Please thank them for their love and ask them
To please help get justice for kids like me today.

Love,

Ethan
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=126341820711405&topic=67

Tundratot
May 25th, 2010, 02:30 AM
Why DP? Wouldn't it be better to have them have life imprisonment? Once the boys in his cell block find out he's a baby murderer...well, I'd imagine it being unpleasant.

While I like to believe that this is true, we're sending so many baby beaters and killers to prison these days I'm worried that the prisoners who would give them their own medicine may suffer from fatigue. Not to mention that there might be safety in numbers. Worrisome possibility.

brokenandtwisted
May 25th, 2010, 02:38 AM
^ I see the logic there.

Well, this is why I firmly support a day of torture for all criminals. We do not need jails or death penalties...what we need is the torturing of criminals to become legal. Like the man in this case...cut out his eyes, break his knees and elbows, castrate him and two hours later drop his ass off on the front lawn of his home.

Saves time and money for everyone.

Jessiesgirl1108
May 25th, 2010, 09:42 AM
A poem someone wrote on that facebook page.Ohhh, my heart aches "sob"

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=126341820711405&topic=67

Damn it...that made me ball my eyes out. And I'm at work and now have to deal with everyone walking by asking me if I'm ok...and if I tell them it's from reading stories like this then I have to hear 'Why do you read that stuff'. And the only answer that I can come up with for that question is that by reading these stories and feeling the pain of these children only help to make me a better mother to my ownchildren and a more compasionate person all around.
I'm sorry your mother didn't show you a great summer vacation Ethan, I bet your dad would have made your summer full of fun and love...rest in peace little angel.

MC30
May 25th, 2010, 09:44 AM
its ok Jessiesgirl. it made me cry too.

Aena
May 25th, 2010, 09:55 AM
That had to be the saddest poem I have ever read, now I am bawling like a baby. I have to say before I started reading here I was against the death penalty, now I would like to be the one who throws the switch. Or in this case, fly out there and beat the living shit out of this person whom I cannot even call a mother, I need to stop reading this thread now before I book a flight.

redsaid
May 25th, 2010, 11:25 AM
A poem someone wrote on that facebook page.Ohhh, my heart aches "sob"

Here's a tissue, mystery, it's my last one. I'll have to buy a new box. That was as good as if the little boy said it himself.

Silvahalo
May 25th, 2010, 01:41 PM
Here are some more Ethan photo's if you didn't see them already, (one in hat already posted, but love it), from the slide show.....grabbed them before the link goes poof.

Ethan being a kid, enjoying life before it was stolen from him.
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mystery
May 27th, 2010, 04:42 PM
Ethan Stacy latest news: Slain 4-year-old boy’s mother writes note from jail saying ‘HA, HA, HA’

Stephanie Sloop, the mother of 4-year-old Ethan Stacy who was allegedly killed at the hands of her new husband, Nathan Sloop responded to a letter from the media with an unusual note using a mocking tone and saying she had a right to remain silent.

Ethan allegedly suffered abuse and torture at the hands of Nathan during a court-ordered visit with his mother in Utah. Stephanie allegedly did nothing to help him or obtain medical treatment for his injuries. He reportedly died on Mother’s Day due to the alleged beatings he received.

To see photos regarding the case, click here.

The boy’s horrific death touched hearts around the world, thus ABC 4 wrote Stephanie a letter asking her to express her thoughts and feelings about her life and Ethan’s death. On Wednesday, the news outlet received a disturbing response from her.

The note from Stephanie was written in large letters using a pencil and said “HA, HA, HA, I’ve invoked my right to remain silent or didn’t my attorney already say that?”

According to ABC, the Chief Deputy for the Davis County Jail confirmed that Stephanie was the only inmate who could have seen the letter.

Criminal defense attorney Greg Skordas thought the letter was “creepy” and told ABC that he believes Stephanie‘s “…tone is offensive and mocking… She references the 6th Amendment of the Constitution, it contras any potential defense if she says she doesn’t remember or was in a fog,” he said.

Stephanie and Nathan are due in court on Friday, and are expected to be charged with aggravated murder.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2010m5d27-Ethan-Stacy-latest-news-Slain-4yearold-boys-mother-writes-note-from-jail-saying-HA-HA-HA
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fucking smartass bitch

Ravyn1965
May 27th, 2010, 04:55 PM
Oh, look at Stephanie, thinking she's being so coy and cute.

Laugh while you can, you soulless bitch. Ethan will have the last laugh when that judge slams that gavel down and a jury declares you guilty.

redsaid
May 27th, 2010, 05:03 PM
I would love to just write this bitch off as another heartless mother. I just can't, her mocking little note is another example of her failure to have remorse. No remorse, no mercy.

brokenandtwisted
May 27th, 2010, 06:01 PM
She looks like she's uncomfortable. Does she have a migraine and a yeast infection?

AngelFire
May 27th, 2010, 06:03 PM
After reading that poem, having heard my heart shatter in a million pieces, and the many emotions that this story has stirred up in me, I would be more than willing to go and kill that bitch myself. Now, I am a very compassionate person, believe it or not. But I am extremely capable right now to do her in, and boost about it too.

I am going to take a walk around the block cause I am not feeling all too stable.

redsaid
May 27th, 2010, 06:14 PM
She looks like she's uncomfortable. Does she have a migraine and a yeast infection?

I hope so. Along with a case of "gang-green" without the maggots to save her life.

cheeseburgersanchez
May 27th, 2010, 08:36 PM
What did I say!? I told if that bitch got a chance she would gloat. She didn't say anything out right, but I damn sure bet she was hoping Joe Stacey would hear about it. Two cartons of cigs, and 40 bucks a week in the com. account of anyone willing to beat the hell out of this bitch. No limit, keep doing it, and I will keep sending it.

AngelFire
May 27th, 2010, 10:44 PM
Can anyone help me in finding an address to write to this judge?

cheeseburgersanchez
May 28th, 2010, 02:51 AM
The judge in Utah, or the judge that sent this little lamb to his slaughter?

this is going badly
May 28th, 2010, 03:32 AM
This Sloop guy has a criminal record. I have to wonder if the bio-father was aware of his past. I mean I'm sending my kid off for the Summer to stay with his mom, I'm checking out the new penis she married.



I am totally with you on this. Seroiusly, I don't think it's unreasonable to ASK people you don't who will be caring for you child to get finger printed and have a criminal backround check.

I would do it if someone asked me, hell I wouldn't even be offended. Actually, if this became the norm no one would be offended.

In oregon parent are required to do this to volenteer in public school.

Lia
May 28th, 2010, 04:44 AM
The thing is, in all fairness to the biological Father, he didn't have the option to deny his ex access, since the Judge had ruled that the Mother was to have visitation rights. And in fact, it's my understanding that the Judge ordered the Father to send his child to the Mother, for the summer; and this despite, and overruling the Father's concerns over his wife's maternal capabilities. and instincts, or lack thereof

The fact of the matter is that this Mother, and her current husband murdered this little boy despite the Father's concerns, and his court battles to avert such a tragedy. It's pointless to try to make the Father out to be anything other than a victim also. If anyone is to blame it is the Mother, her new husband, and perhaps the Judge for not living in the real world.

I can understand people's anger and righteous indignation here, but let's not try to taint a bereaved and innocent Father here. Two people murdered Ethan, his mealy mouthed, criminally negligent and totally indifferent Mother, who should have protected him, and her new husband. Both are equally to blame in my humble opinion, and both should be jailed for life, no parole; period!!!

And hey! Life should mean life here!!!

Jessiesgirl1108
May 28th, 2010, 09:04 AM
The fact of the matter is that this Mother, and her current husband murdered this little boy despite the Father's concerns, and his court battles to avert such a tragedy. It's pointless to try to make the Father out to be anything other than a victim also. If anyone is to blame it is the Mother, her new husband, and perhaps the Judge for not living in the real world.

I think everyone has agreed that the bio-father is also a victim in this case...he had to do what was ordered of him. I'm sure there are a few people who will make comments like 'I wouldn't have sent him" or "I would have taken the boy into hiding". But to be honest, how many people would really ever suspect that the mother of their child would let something like this happen? From what I gather, she never abused Ethan. She might have ran off on them for a time, and the father may have believed she was being spitful just to get visitation, however, the court ordered him to let her have visitation. Was he supposed to leave his current life, friends, job, family and go into hiding to keep this child away from his mother just because at worst he felt she was manipulative? There was a recent post about a woman having kept her child hidden in the Grandmother's walls for the past 2 years, and most agreed that to do something like that is also harmful to the child cause what quality of life do they have hiding behind walls, the poor boy wasn't even allowed outside.

So, yes I completely agree that the bio-father is nothing but a victum here. I can't even blame the judge in this case, because like I said...who in their right mind would foresee something like this happening? The only two people to blame for this tragedy is the piece of shit who dealt the beating, and the other worthless piece of shit who sat by and did nothing to protect Ethan.

Whisper
May 28th, 2010, 03:00 PM
Mother, stepfather charged in boy's death in Utah
FARMINGTON, Utah (AP) - Prosecutors have filed aggravated murder charges against a Utah mother and her new husband, who police say brutally beat the woman's 4-year-old child until he died.
[...]
The Davis County attorney's office on Friday announced the charges against Sloop and her husband, 31-year-old Nathanael Sloop.

Both also are charged with child abuse, obstruction of justice and abuse or desecration of a body.

A conviction on the aggravated murder charge could result in the death penalty.http://www.kjct8.com/global/story.asp?s=12561326

redsaid
May 28th, 2010, 05:25 PM
My guess is they now have the solid case, with all of the evidence they need.

I'll give a wooo hoooo for this, with more to come.

Ninja0980
May 28th, 2010, 06:03 PM
Good!!! I'm glad to see "mom" is being charged right along with her husband. She IMO inflicted some of Ethan's injuries herself, and even if she didn't.. she stood by and let it and happen was willing to burn and disfigure her own child to save her penis and then try to hide behind the "I was afraid of him" excuse.
Hang them both!!

silverfae
May 28th, 2010, 09:38 PM
Ugh - I have been reading all the updates as I can in this case and I have been horrified all the way. But that poem - it made my heart hurt and turned on the water works. Poor Ethan. I will just never understand how anyone could hurt an innocent child. What could any 4 year old do that could possibly justify these kinds of things in anyone's mind? And how could any mother just watch and let it happen?

I don't believe in the death penalty, even with all the awful people I read about on here but really - the world couldn't possibly miss these two.

Whisper
May 28th, 2010, 09:41 PM
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Young Love In The Spring

AngelFire
May 28th, 2010, 10:16 PM
The judge in Utah, or the judge that sent this little lamb to his slaughter?

I think I would need both. I don't seem to be able to find it

Whisper
May 28th, 2010, 11:04 PM
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This Is Your Life Before Becoming A Child Murdering tnucing pimply-ass-gutter-slut
Karla Homilka
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Life After


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Life Before
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Life After
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Nathanial Today In Court
Not So Tough Now Crybaby
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Kinda Like The Meth Before And After Pics!

Whisper
May 28th, 2010, 11:24 PM
What a dirty cock
I bet they didnt give Ethan a kleenex or hig to dry his tears!!
Give me a break Id love to fucking bitch slap him into another nationality
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Whisper
May 28th, 2010, 11:34 PM
A courthouse full of grief and anger
Much like everyone else in the packed courtroom, I went to court to see Nathan and Stephanie Sloop, who face aggravated murder charges in the death of 4-year-old Ethan Stacy.

Nathan, shackled and wearing red jail clothes, appeared first, grim-faced and clean-shaven. He answered a few mandatory questions, and turned his head to tell his mother he loved her before being led out.
Stephanie followed, her hair in a tidy bun, her jaws clenched as a few tears fell from her eyes. When she turned to leave, she too grew stone-faced. Former friends in Florida told one of my colleagues Stephanie could cry when she needed to.
Neither stayed long. The charges were filed Friday morning, and because of the possibility of a death sentence, the proceedings were continued until next week.

The homicide charges themselves are chilling and thorough. The aggravating circumstances include child abuse or child sexual abuse; desecration of a body, administration of a lethal substance in a deadly amount. Physical torture. Mutilation showing "actor's depravity of mind." A victim younger than 14.
The next three counts are child abuse, obstructing justice and abuse or desecration of a human body.
Ethan was beaten to death over several days. A photo that circulated on the Internet shows the boy with Nathan, playing video games, with what appears to be a large and livid bruise on his left jawline.
The couple, who were married during those
days, brought along lighter fluid and a hammer to the place where they buried Ethan.

After the hearing, I walked out with the crowd, many of them members of Bikers Against Child Abuse. Others who came wore red T-shirts bearing the words, "Justice for Ethan." Others wore purple shirts saying "In loving memory of Shelby," meaning Shelby Andrews, who was beaten and abused to death by her stepmother and father.

I spoke briefly with Connie Turner, clad in stunning black leather motorcycle garb -- but not a part of BACA -- who came to court from Roy. She told me she baby-sits often, and has children, grandchildren and a couple of great-grandkids.
[...]
And, since the prosecution could seek the death penalty, I asked her what she thought of that.
"I have mixed emotions," Turner said. "But in this case, yes. We all have long memories of Shelby."
Tammy Russell came to the courthouse in Farmington from West Jordan with her 13-year-old daughter. She said she was drawn there by "Ethan's beautiful face," and to support him and his family.
"Ethan spoke to us the first time he was on the 10 o'clock news," Russell said.
So I asked her about the death penalty, too. She told me she also had mixed emotions, but in this case, it would be an eye for an eye. "I don't want to pay for them to eat and breathe."
And Russell brought up the possibility of an insanity defense by the couple, and how she felt about that. "It's all an act," she said. "They knew exactly what they were doing, over and over, for four days."
There was true anger in that courtroom Friday, mixed with grief and a measure of despair. It's a story we hear all too often, and nothing will ever erase it from our collective memory.

[...]http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15185723?source=rss

Dakota Valkyrie
May 30th, 2010, 09:15 AM
Long article with much gag inducing history...
Stephanie Stacy and Nathan Sloop saw themselves as soul mates, inscribing the invitations to their July 4 wedding with a quote from Aristotle: "Love is composed of a single soul inhabiting two bodies."

That verse now chills former friends, neighbors and family of the couple, who connected last year in cyberspace.

For when two volatile, unraveling souls unite, there is no voice of reason.

It's just a matter of time before someone gets hurt.
[...]

It's difficult to find people who will speak up for Stephanie and Nathan; most former friends and neighbors already at odds with the pair are even more angry; their parents declined interview requests.

Others, however, describe the two as the worst possible combination: An impatient, narcissistic mother indifferent to her only child, and an unstable, violent man increasingly desperate over limited access to his own 6-year-old daughter, who lives in Florida with his ex-wife.

Michelle Rodriguez of Mount Carmel, Ill. -- an ex-wife of Ethan's dad, Joe Stacy -- says a couple of months ago she phoned Stephanie to tell her to stop calling. When Nathan answered, she warned him that he should never let Stephanie near his daughter.
[...]

Stephanie's former friends say she has always been difficult. As a teenager, she would sneak out at night with boys. She once brought a physical abuse charge against her stepfather, a false accusation, according to an ex-friend. The charge was dismissed.

Joe, her ex-husband, says Stephanie's mother once told him she had been diagnosed at age 13 with borderline personality disorder, a diagnosis Joe rejects. "It ain't no disorder. It's just the way she is."
[...]

She claims to have been a Bud Girl and a Jager Girl in bar promotions, and was trying to get into the "Playboy Hot Housewives" special edition last year. But whether that was a real possibility is up for debate.

"She is a pathological liar," says Carla Jones, a former friend.

Rodriguez, the mother of Joe's two older children, had a ringside seat for the drama that surrounded Stephanie. Her children lived with Joe and Stephanie for four years; a flight attendant, Rodriguez visited often.

Stephanie pulled all kinds of shenanigans to try to make Rodriguez's life miserable, she says. She tried to get her fired, falsely accused her of neglect and bad parenting in custody court and with child services; and cracked into her employee account at Continental Airlines, as well as her MySpace, Facebook and eBay accounts.

"Stephanie is not a stupid woman. She's very clever," says Rodriguez. "She always seemed to cover her tracks."

Stephanie insisted Destrian and Alisa call her "mom" and their real mom by her first name, says Rodriguez. She monitored the few phone conversations she allowed between Rodriguez and her children.

"She always had to be Number One," says Joe. "She was so narcissistic."

Rodriguez says she didn't know, until much later, how much her children disliked their stepmom.

Destrian says Stephanie expected him to take care of baby Ethan from the start. Their father was often gone for two weeks at a time, working as a roustabout on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico. "She really never changed his diapers," says Destrian.

Stephanie would spank Destrian and Alisa with a metal spatula, and whack the backs of their heads with the back of her diamond-ringed hand, the siblings say.
[...]

When a relative gave Destrian and Alisa laptops for Christmas, Stephanie sold them, says Rodriguez. When their mother sent clothes, Stephanie threw them away. When she sent cash, the kids got empty envelopes.

Stephanie wanted people to think of her as the perfect mother, Joe says. "But behind closed doors, it was a whole different story."
[...]

Joe filed for divorce in October, and in a motion for temporary custody in November he said Stephanie had abandoned Ethan and was "unstable," and that he feared she would take Ethan and never return him.

By February, though, Stephanie's badgering and threats wore him down and he agreed to a divorce settlement that allowed Stephanie to have Ethan each spring break and summer. They were to alternate holidays. She was to pay no child support.

Joe also agreed to give her half of the money he expected from a lawsuit settlement for his injury. If he gets nothing, the agreement said, Stephanie gains custody of Ethan.

"She said, 'I sold my son,'" says Jones, recalling a phone conversation with Stephanie this spring.

"The only reason she wanted Ethan for the summer was because she knew Joe didn't want her to have him," Jones says.
[...]

Ethan, Joe says, "was a pawn; someone she could use to get what she wanted."

"Stephanie is the kind of person," says Rodriguez, "who could spit on the ground and drown her own mother and not think twice about it."
[...]

Former neighbors describe him (Nathan Sloop) as volatile and moody.

"One minute he'd be a good guy and then he'd just as soon want to whip you," says Don Fernelius, who lives across the street from Nathan's house.

Nathan would never get his hands dirty doing home maintenance, says Fernelius, adding that Roy City twice had to order him to cut his grass last year.

Rheta Phillips, a 70-year-old neighbor, recalls a series of encounters -- some violent -- with Nathan.

Once, Nathan screamed at her for making the four dogs in his basement -- a Great Dane, an English bulldog and two pitbulls -- bark by knocking on his back door.

Another time, he threw all of his wife's clothes and shoes onto the driveway and was screaming that he wanted her out of the house.

A confrontation in December 2008 was the most violent. It began when Nathan's dogs jumped on one of Phillips' relative's new car. Nathan went on to punch her grandson, and he swung a knife at her 47-year-old son so close it cut his shirt.

"He called me an [expletive] bitch," recalls Phillips. "I'm 70 years old. I'd heard this term before, but not right in my face, and I'm wondering 'What the hell's wrong with you?'"

Nathan is, by all accounts, fiercely attached to his daughter. He proudly shows her picture to people he meets, and once told Phillips about blowing his top and striking out at his father-in-law and new stepdad.

His daughter, then a baby, had fallen down a step after a holiday meal. Nathan accused the others of not watching her closely enough.

His mother, Phillips says, promised he'd get mental help after that incident.
[...]

In the divorce, finalized the next year, she accused Nathan of abusing her by punching her and pulling her hair. He had been diagnosed, she wrote, with multiple-personality disorder, a claim Nathan rejected. He wrote in court papers that he had obsessive compulsive disorder.

As part of their settlement, Nathan was to get his daughter each summer, spring vacation and alternate holidays.

But then, in a series of profanity-laced and threatening phone calls in September, he berated Jennifer for going on vacation the same week their daughter started school. That tirade led a judge to order him in March to have no contact with his ex-wife for two years. He was allowed only phone contact with his daughter, and no more web-cam sessions, in which each party can see the other as they converse via the Internet.
[...]

To ex-friends who talked or exchanged e-mails with Stephanie and Nathan in recent months and who visited social networking websites where Stephanie posted, it appeared the two were living in a fantasy world.

They hooked up shortly after meeting on Facebook -- Stephanie knew his ex-sister-in-law in middle school -- and almost immediately were engaged to be married.

Myriad pictures of the happy couple were posted, including on The Knot, a site for betrothed couples.
[...]

By spring, she was alternately begging former friends to be bridesmaids or acting as if they'd already agreed to be.

Carla Jones, her friend in Orlando, has a note she received from Stephanie in April prescribing a mid-calf black dress, gray snakeskin heels as her bridesmaids' attire. The note told Jones to arrive in Colorado on July 3 and that she and Nathan were leaving for Seattle on July 6, presumably for a honeymoon.

It ended with a sentence Jones now finds jarring: "Ethan will be there."

"I never even said I would go to her wedding!" says Jones.

Rodriguez says she ordered Stephanie to stop e-mailing her about the wedding in March.
[...]

In a call to her half-brother in Michigan on May 5, Stephanie explained they were getting married in Utah the next day so they could qualify for public aid, but that the "real" wedding was still on for July Fourth in Colorado.

The next day and the next, she left increasingly frantic phone messages for Jones, saying she couldn't handle Ethan.
[...]
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15190371

Dakota Valkyrie
May 30th, 2010, 09:33 AM
Cached version of their Knot Wedding site: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:E4XCxGmnBh4J:weddings.theknot.com/pwp/pwp2/view/MemberPage.aspx%3Fcoupleid%3D5526012639731774%26pi d%3D8111236&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari

Not sure if this has been posted yet...
Probable Cause Affadavits(warning: graphic content)
Nathan Sloop http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/heraldextra.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/c/aa/a67/caaa67c4-5f0f-11df-b3ae-001cc4c002e0.pdf.pdf?_dc=1273810728
Stephanie Sloop http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/heraldextra.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/8/1e/27c/81e27cde-5ee7-11df-9a0a-001cc4c002e0.pdf.pdf?_dc=1273793486

Facbook - Justice for Ethan Stacy http://www.facebook.com/justiceforethanstacy


Text of the "About Us" section of the wedding site (because the cache link will expire and it'll be gone).

About the bride

I have known Stephanie since I was 15 yeras old. However all throughout highschool her and I never dated, but knew all about each other. Then Just a few years ago as I was going through the deepest, darkest part of my life dealing with My child being kidnapped and being in the middle of a vicious divorce, I began receiving these encouraging emails that had impeccable timing. That was My Steph sending me an encouraging word just when I was at my lowest.

On October 8th I sent her an email and saw she lived in Vegas. 7 hours south of me. What are the odds!! We spoke nonstop for the next 24 hours as we began to book her a flight to come up and see me. Now the important thing to know is that I was All done with the so called 'Dating Game'. What a joke of a world we live in. The more Genuine You are in todays world the more that people dont want to date you. So all of a Sudden I found myself talking to a woman who was a "take me or leave me-this is who I am" kind of woman. Thats exactly the kind of man I am and I thought well this either is a Match made in Heaven or it will never work. Well as the Next 24 hours proved conclusively it was a "Match made in Heaven"

She showed up 24 hours after our first phone call and with no make up and dressed casual, She was the Most Beautiful Woman I have ever laid eyes on. I took a picture of her before she saw me and she was looking like she used to look while watching me at the lacrosse games. Trying to guess which way I was coming from. She was SO Cute!! Beautiful purple scraf around her neck, hair pulled back and as I walked up behind her she smelled Amazing!! She turned and instantly she turned beet red!! I Embraced her with a huge hug and Kissed her right there for the Very First Time!! Wow! What an Amazing Kisser!!!

Even though I never thought I would find the Woman of my dreams, I all of a sudden found Myself Kissing the Woman of my dreams in the Salt Lake City Airport!!! I couldn't wait to hold her hand and get her bags loaded into My truck. I Knew Right then and there "She was the ONE" Truly LOVE at First sight!! We immediately began to treat each other like we had been together for years. Ive never felt more comfortable with a woman. She is Incredibly Intelligent, a fast thinker, a brilliant sense of humor, a Loving Nurturing Woman through and through, and to Top it All off she Is Drop Dead Gorgeous!!

Truly, Steph brings more to the table than all the women I have ever known if You put them All together. I would have never been so audacious to Ask God for someone so special. She not only fills every Gap I have but She even completes parts of me that I never knew needed to made complete. She is an Amazing conversationalist and I love just talking with her for hours and hours. She is not challenged by my fast thinking brain but rather she keeps up and then some. She Cooks like a master Chef, loves the same kind of movies I do, and instead of provoking my Bad Boy side, she respects it. She doesnt try and provoke me to protect her but rather she Loves me in ways I couldnt even ask her to do. She gets right under my armor and gets right to the little boy in me and by doing so she makes Every Part of Me wanna be a better Man!!

Steph is the Most Special, Loving, Nurturing, Tough, Caring, Fun, Exciting Woman I have ever Met in Real life or in My Dreams!! I am SO IN LOVE With HER!! I am So Honored to be Her Man!! When July 4th, 2010 comes I will consider myself the luckiest Man inthe History of All civilization. I Will Finally Be Married to My SoulMate!! My Lover!! My Best Friend!! Since we have been together we have never spent one day away from each other. If I have it My way we never willl either!! Whether we are going to get Dressed up Nice and go out for sushi (Our Favorite) or we are staying home and she makes me her special cinnamon enchiladas, I never am as happy as when I am around My beloved Steph!! She is supportive when the world is crashing down around me, and has My back when no one else will. She nurtures Me and sees right though My tough guy shield and loves on that Big Heart that nobody has been shown!!

I could Go on for Days and Days and thats why I am Honored to Be Marrying this Amazing Woman!! She is the Most treasured, Special , Amazing person that has EVER Entered My Life!! I Would Do Anything for her. Fight for Her. Kill for Her. Live for Her!! Die for Her!! She is my Nurturing Angel and Ill never let go, because every moment with her makes me a better person!! Thank You God Above for bringing her into My Life!! I'll Always be there for her no matter Rich or poor. Going through the worst of times or the Best of times! Steph is Finally the Partner that I never even thought existed. I love You, Stephanie. I Truly am In Love with YOU!!!

About the groom

I first met Nathan in 1995. I was 12 years old, and he was actually with my best friends sister at the time. He was 4 years older than me, so we didnt go to high school together.

Nathan changed me, though many think that's not possible. Nathan made me realize that for years I was writing checks my ego couldn't cash. We all have egos, some under control, some aren't. Though mine wasn't completely out of whack, it did need adjustments. Nathan showed me how to filter what I say and do, do what I say, and say what I mean, as your WORD is all you have in this world. Being together, we've both brought so much to the table. For starters, we began with full disclosure so that way our ex's couldn't try and use things against us. Its proven to make our relationship even stronger. Nathan has taught me so much, taken care of me, and been the man of my dreams. We share the same blood type, had the same surgeries as children, and most of all, we've taken the time to understand eafh other. The underlyings of that are between Nathan and I, but we have taken the time to understand each other, and that's what makes us so perfect together: we clearly communicate, as you should in a relationship. He tells me when I mess up, and helps correct me when I'm wrong. That's what a relationship is. Growing together, and helping each other. I couldn't imagine another day without him. It was truly love at first sight. I couldn't be happier with a better man. Someone else's garbage is now my treasure.

In the time we've been together, he has saved my life twice, without it having been in danger for provoking his bad side. I became pregnant in December, and with twins. I had began to bleed, and we went to the hospital to find out what was wrong, as I had severe abdominal pain, and bleeding. I had a cyst on my left ovary the size of a golf ball, filled with blood. I had twins trapped in the fallopian tubes, and a blot clot in my uterus. A surgery that was supposed to last one hour turned into 2 1/2. The doctor came out after my surgery and said if I had waited another 12 hours, I wouldnt have been alive. The second time, I went into a diabetic shock, and I was going to walk out our side door, and passed out in the process. Had Nathan not caught me, I would fallen flat on my face and possibly had broken my neck.

The more I think about all of this, had I not been with Nathan, and back in Vegas, or even in Florida, I would've had no idea that I was going to die. Even though I lost the babies we planned to have, it saved my life. You can always have more children, but Nathan couldn't replace me. He was the man I was meant to be with, and fills every gap in my heart. I can't tell him enough every day how much he means to me, and how funny it is that God was taunting us when we met all those years ago, and here we are, 15 years later, and all this time we were meant to be together, God just was waiting for the right time. I couldn't be happier or more appreciative of the great man God has given me. Though I loved my ex, we just weren't meant to fit together like Nathan and I do. Total acceptance and love is hard to come by. It was truly love at first sight. I will love and be here for him until the end. July 4, 2010, I will become Mrs. Nathan Sloop and couldn't be prouder. I love My Nater Bean!

How we met

We met in 1995, I was 12, he was 16. We saw each other in passing, through Lacrosse games at Cypress Creek, and when at mutual friends houses', but we didnt really get to know each other until 2009. The next time we saw each other is when I flew in, October 9, 2009.

cubby
May 30th, 2010, 01:07 PM
How can two people become so depraved in only 30 years on the Earth?

It absolutely boggles the mind!!!!

Whisper
May 30th, 2010, 01:14 PM
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This Is Your Life Before Becoming A Child Murdering tnucing pimply-ass-gutter-slut
Karla Homilka
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Life After


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Life Before
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Life After
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Nathanial Today In Court
Not So Tough Now Crybaby
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Kinda Like The Meth Before And After Pics!
Sorry didnt realize his sniveling pics hadnt posted I fixed them

Tundratot
May 30th, 2010, 03:18 PM
She looks a far cry from her pinup pix and her sloppy me-and-my-man pix. Lost the luster, there, girl! He didn't photograph very well, either, has lost that player look and the whole bad boy vibe completely submerged under the in-over-my-head, somewhat retarded look.

brokenandtwisted
May 30th, 2010, 03:26 PM
Hey, don't be hatin' on Karla...yeah she's a total psycho, but she's still hotter than 99.9% of the trailer-trash-folk featured on this site. :lollypop:

Rockin Ma
May 30th, 2010, 03:45 PM
Really long, but very worth reading:

http://www.sltrib.com/D=g/ci_15190371


Rodriguez, the mother of Joe's two older children, had a ringside seat for the drama that surrounded Stephanie. Her children lived with Joe and Stephanie for four years; a flight attendant, Rodriguez visited often.

Stephanie pulled all kinds of shenanigans to try to make Rodriguez's life miserable, she says. She tried to get her fired, falsely accused her of neglect and bad parenting in custody court and with child services; and cracked into her employee account at Continental Airlines, as well as her MySpace, Facebook and eBay accounts.

"Stephanie is not a stupid woman. She's very clever," says Rodriguez. "She always seemed to cover her tracks."

Stephanie insisted Destrian and Alisa call her "mom" and their real mom by her first name, says Rodriguez. She monitored the few phone conversations she allowed between Rodriguez and her children.

"She always had to be Number One," says Joe. "She was so narcissistic."

Rodriguez says she didn't know, until much later, how much her children disliked their stepmom.

Destrian says Stephanie expected him to take care of baby Ethan from the start. Their father was often gone for two weeks at a time, working as a roustabout on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico. "She really never changed his diapers," says Destrian.

Stephanie would spank Destrian and Alisa with a metal spatula, and whack the backs of their heads with the back of her diamond-ringed hand, the siblings say.

"We felt we were back in the slave days," says Alisa. "She used to make us make her alcohol drinks, clean the pool, clean the bathroom until it was spotless white."

Alisa went to friends' houses rather than invite them to her own. "I was afraid she would yell at me in front of my friends," says Alisa. "She yelled for stupid reasons.

"She threatened my dad so much it got me mad."

When a relative gave Destrian and Alisa laptops for Christmas, Stephanie sold them, says Rodriguez. When their mother sent clothes, Stephanie threw them away. When she sent cash, the kids got empty envelopes.

Stephanie wanted people to think of her as the perfect mother, Joe says. "But behind closed doors, it was a whole different story."

"I tried to get her to be more of a mother," he says. "But she was not cut out to be a mother....She just is a person with no patience."

brokenandtwisted
May 30th, 2010, 04:02 PM
Introducing BPD makes this case incredibly interesting now...

I wouldn't consider Michelle Rodriguez, Joe Stacy or Jones viable character referrers, they obviously have some sort of vendetta against the killers. As an example...Joe (ex-husband) states Stephanie was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder when she was thirteen - then states it's not a disorder, which is bullshit because he's unqualified to make such a statement - and the three say she's cold, distant, narcissistic and sadistic.

People with BPD are not sadistic nor are they narcissistic, genuinely cold people or distant at all. In fact, they're the exact opposite. They often engage in self-harm and struggle with their identity. BPD is characterized by emotionally instability and difficulty with interpersonal relationships and a sense of self.

If Stephanie suffers from BPD and was diagnosed before the whole "Bitch Is Crazy Movement" occurred, they either don't know her very well, her psychologist/psychiatrist wrongfully diagnosed her or Nathan Sloop is the true criminal here. So, hypothetically speaking, if her medical record is whipped open and someone spots BPD, the case could be different...

thehesbomb
May 30th, 2010, 10:37 PM
People with BPD are not sadistic nor are they narcissistic, genuinely cold people or distant at all. In fact, they're the exact opposite.

While they may not be intentionally sadistic they are definitely capable of (and prone to) aggression and intense dislike/hatred. What is even more disturbing about kids having to be "cared" for by anyone with unmanaged BPD is that people with BPD swing from one end of the pendulum - "oh mommy loves you so much!" - to the other - "you are a bad, evil boy".

While the disordered behavior's intent may not be sadism it certainly could seem sadistic to anyone watching.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/borderline-personality-disorder-fact-sheet/index.shtml

brokenandtwisted
May 30th, 2010, 10:48 PM
Yes, they're capable of it through dissociation. That's the key aspect. She's simply neglecting the needs of her child to appease her husband. She'll do anything out of 'love' for him.

Saying someone is sadistic (actively enjoying harming another person) is completely against a BDP diagnosis. Just because she says her child is 'bad' does not mean she is enjoying saying such to her child. 'Distant' implies she is indifferent to her children, which isn't true at all...BPD is an extremely emotional disorder, apathy is not as aspect of the illness; and 'calculating' involves premeditation. The people in the article above are basically saying she has enjoyed harming Ethan because she's never cared about him and has planned his death for some time. Sure, I could say that of the husband that has influenced the mother...but not of the mother herself.

Everything the people are saying about her counters her condition. Which leads me to believe her husband is a fucking psycho and is taking advantage of her, or that the psychologist she saw is a hack and should have his license pulled on principle of being a genuine fuck-up.

thehesbomb
May 30th, 2010, 11:05 PM
Yes, they're capable of it through dissociation. That's the key aspect. She's simply neglecting the needs of her child to appease her husband. She'll do anything out of 'love' for him.

Whether or not her actions were to appease/please her husband doesn't have much bearing on whether or not her actions would appear sadistic to an outside observer (i.e. her ex-husband, with no medical training). The layperson who views a mother being overtly cruel to her child is not going to know the underlying reasons, they are going to see the most basic appearance and likely take it at face value.


The people in the article above are basically saying she has enjoyed harming Ethan because she's never cared about him and has planned his death for some time. Sure, I could say that of the husband that has influenced the mother...but not of the mother herself.

Again, I think it's a matter of perception. While she may not have enjoyed harming Ethan if she was in a "downswing" and was seeing him in a negative extreme her passion about how bad he was or how much she hated him may have looked convincingly like enjoyment and/or overt cruelty/sadism.

Again, I think the key here is that the observers are people with no psych or medical training who have likely only seen parents who, even if they aren't 100% perfect parents, at least love their children and treat them in a reasonably predictable way.

brokenandtwisted
May 30th, 2010, 11:09 PM
^ All of that is irrelevant in court though if she hires a decent psychiatrist for her defense team. Pretty sure I saw something about the 'insanity defense' up above?