Neighbors called but Chad Carr & Katheryn Dale still beat toddler to death

[Dakota Valkyrie]

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A North Newton mother is behind bars and has now been charged in connection with the death of her 19-month-old son.

Prosecutors say Katheryn Nicole Dale, 20, not only knew about the abuse happening in her home at the hands of her boyfriend but she also took part in the abuse of her son, who has now been identified as Vincent Hill.

Dale was in court late Wednesday. She’s been charged with aggravated battery, child abuse and two counts of endangering a child.
[...]

Police were called there Saturday by 26-year-old Chad Carr, who is Dale’s boyfriend. He said the child wasn’t breathing, but investigators now believe the toddler was the victim of abuse.

"Eyes swollen shut, leg twisted in an unnatural position, left collar bone fractured, terrible cuts on the inside of the mouth where the teeth had cut into the lips,” Yoder said.
[...]

Harvey County Sheriff T. Walton also confirmed that a neighbor had called the SRS Abuse Hotline in January, saying she heard screams coming from a child inside the home. But SRS never investigated the report or forwarded the information to its office in Newton, because they felt the call did not indicate harm to the child.

Walton is frustrated and now wants residents to call 911 instead of the hotline, because that will ensure that an officer will go to the home in question to investigate.
http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/Mom-charged-in-North-Newton-baby-death/PZv1ywPcG0KK17gAsfdNxw.cspx

Reflecting on it later Wednesday, Yoder said: "You're stunned. You can't believe what you are seeing" — the worst injuries he has seen on a child in decades as a prosecutor.

During the briefing — which included the announcement that Vincent's 20-year-old mother and her 26-year-old boyfriend have been charged with beating, abusing or endangering him — Yoder said there were "very few parts on this child's body that were not injured in some grievous way."

Among the injuries were "terrible cuts" on the inside of the boy's mouth, fingernails that had been ripped out, a leg that was twisted in an "unnatural position" from a spiral fracture, a broken collarbone and an eye swollen shut.

He said it was difficult for him to speak of the injuries at the briefing.
[...]

According to a copy of the abuse charge against her, among her son's injuries were: "stabbed with a fork and cut mouth, bruises to chin, struck across face."
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Dale and her two small children, including a 6-week-old daughter who has been placed in state custody pending an emergency hearing, had been renting a two-story duplex in North Newton.

She was with her infant daughter at a baby shower in Wichita on Saturday afternoon when her boyfriend, Chad Daniel Carr, called 911 to report that Vincent was not breathing, authorities said.

The couple had lived together about four months and did not have children together, authorities said.
[...]

Yoder said more charges are possible, pending final results from an autopsy and information from medical experts on timeframes for the injuries.
[...]

Dale is unemployed, according to a sheriff's document.

According to a financial affidavit that Carr filled out for the court, he has been employed by a concrete business, making about $1,600 a month. He listed monthly expenses of nearly that much, including $500 in child support for a 5-year-old son and 3-year-old son.
http://www.kansas.com/2010/04/01/1250180/prosecutor-says-north-newton-toddler.html

According to an SRS finding dated Jan. 21, a copy of which Walton received Tuesday, the state agency found that the neighbor's report "does not indicate harm to the child. There is nothing to indicate that the child is being physically harmed... . No indication the ... yelling at the child is impairing or endangering the child socially or intellectually, to the point that it is causing the child to deteriorate and not be able to function on a daily basis."

It concludes that "no further ... action is needed."

So there was no further investigation by SRS, Walton said.
[...]

In an interview with The Eagle on Tuesday, Jessica Link, the woman who lives in the duplex next to the toddler's home, said she could easily hear the man next door yelling and cursing at the boy while his mother was gone, beginning late last year after the family moved in.

"I would just hear him say, 'Shut up!' "

At first the boy would cry, "like a kid does," she said, and then the man would yell at the toddler for crying. What unsettled her was that the boy would begin to scream "like there was something wrong," said Link, 21.

Link noticed that the yelling and screaming occurred when the mother's car wasn't in the driveway. She said she never heard the woman yell at the child.
[...]
Months ago, Link thought about knocking on her neighbor's door but didn't want to have a confrontation, she said. And at the time, she didn't think it was necessary to call police, she said.

Link had a refrigerator magnet with a toll-free SRS number to call to report child abuse. She called the number a couple of times in January and left messages saying that she could hear possible abuse and wanted to report it, she said.

A couple of days later, someone from the hotline called back, and Link gave her name and address and her neighbors' address and told about the yelling and screaming next door, she said.
[...]
Link said she wished she had been home Saturday afternoon before emergency dispatchers received the 911 call about the toddler.

"Maybe I would have heard something going on," she said.
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http://www.kansas.com/2010/03/31/1248710/srs-was-told-of-boys-possible.html

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[koochie]

this is fucking awful...he is my sons age, i could not imagine, he fell and cut his lip one afternoon and everytime i looked at him i cringed with worry it wouldnt stop bleeding..

how could a mother allow and participate in such torture on a sweet baby..8(

[penelopejo]

You know, it hurts to think that they hit him to begin with cause he was crying. And I'm sure because of all the pain he was in he whined a lot which caused even more hitting. And hearing your own flesh and blood scream like that? A scream of utter and complete pain....I just can't understand the justification in her mind as to staying there.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

She kinda looks like him in drag.

[Valasca]

WHY do people like this breed?
that really pisses me off.
Rest well, little one.

[CasperGirl]

Ok, I am kinda new here and have managed to read so many of these stories and not cry but seeing this sweet little angels face after reading what happened I couldn't stop from crying. What is with all these monsters? Is there something wrong with their DNA?? There has to be some kind of explaination that just plain not giving a shit and killing your kid or kids.

[TwiztidAngel]

:sad: he looks so much like my son did at that age....poor baby...i hope the penis and incubation unit both rot in hell

[LadyCygnet]

DFS is a joke. I'm with the sheriff--calling 911 if one suspects abuse seems to be the best course of action. That neighbor will probably spend the rest of her life wishing she'd called 911.

That poor, sweet child. Stuff like this makes me wonder why there are so many women who want children but can't have them, and then there are people who are too selfish and irresponsible to be parents who pop babies out like they're human pez dispensers.

[AngelFire]

Sick and tired of this shit being played out across the country. I would love a chance to beat these people and torture them. I HATE when they hurt and kill these poor babies. They don't care about human life, even the ones that they bring into this world. Countless families can not have babies, and they yearn for them. Why not do the babies, and themselves a favor and hand them over to someone that will LOVE them, and PROTECT them? They deserve a chance to feel loved, safe and happy. His face was so adorable, and I bet he would have given all the love in the little baby body to someone that would love him back. My heart is so heavy from reading these details. Neighbors hearing a baby screaming, and now after reading this shit we all know those screams were from fear, and horrible pain that he was enduring at the hands of these beast.

FUCKING DIE YOU SELFISH BASTARDS

[Twisted]

I'll admit this is incredibly off topic, but anyway...

The penis in this shot looks a hell of a lot like Ellis from Left 4 Dead 2.

[Unamused Cat]

In addition to killing this poor child, Chad Carr is being filed on for 16 counts of child porn that was found on his computer.

Some people just need to be head shot and thrown in a ditch, and I don't mind saying it.

Source (http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/Man-charged-in-case-of-toddler-death-faces-child/1qisZehG9kC_Xz55PH2GMw.cspx)

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Yoder said the pornography charges against Carr allege that he possessed child pornography videos.

Carr's brother, Christopher D. Carr, 29, has been charged with the same pornography crimes, Yoder said.

The charges allege that the pornography was downloaded, possessed or reviewed between October 2008 and March 2009, Yoder said.

The charges are completely separate from the charges involving injuries to the boy, Yoder said.

After authorities developed the case against Chad Carr in the toddler's death, they decided to accelerate their investigation of the pornography case, Yoder said.

Even if authorities had been able to charge and arrest Chad Carr in the pornography case earlier, there is no guarantee he wouldn't have had access to the boy, Yoder said.
http://www.kansas.com/2010/04/03/1253278/man-charged-in-north-newton-boys.html

[ImmortalOne]

Let me guess she's going to say she didn't know what was on the computer... She didn't know he was abusing her child. She "didn't know"... yeah BULLSHIT. She didn't give a flying fuck. 3 children, and she's 20 years old... She's been a baby making machine for what.. 5-6 years? Since she was 15 probably? This cunt needs her shit ripped out.

I hope that the new baby is found a loving home. The other remaining child I hope is never given back either. Rip this bitches uterus out. Cut the mother fucker out and let her bleed to death. Let the jackass fucking have his dick cut off and let him bleed to death. Make it slow and painful.

[Silvahalo]

This baby killer should lose his life for taking baby Vincent's. What he did to Vincent's little body is brutal. This woman is no mother and I hope she does not get her baby back, and never able to breed again. I hope she dies alone used and abused.

People need to get more involved when thinking abuse is going on. A "confrontation" is a small price to pay as a child who dies from abuse pays the highest one.

Sweet baby Vincent you were a treasure a gift to be cherished. So very sorry your life was left unprotected, that the one person who should have loved and championed you failed you. Kisses little one, in heavens light.

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[Whisper]

....Mother of slain toddler denied bond reduction
— A bond reduction was denied today for a mother charged in connection with the death of her 19-month-old son.
Katheryn Nycole Dale appeared Thursday in Harvey County District Court before Judge Joe Dickinson.
Her attorney Gregory Barker told the judge Dale had no money and would be unable to make the $50,000 bond that had been set in her case. Barker asked the judge to release Dale on her own recognizance with electronic monitoring.
A child-in-need-of-care case is pending in Harvey County court regarding Dale’s infant child, who was placed in protective custody after her older son, Vincent Hill, died while in the care of her boyfriend.
Barker said the case was a significant tie for Dale in the community.
Harvey County Attorney David Yoder objected to the bail reduction.
He said Dale had been on suicide watch in the Harvey County Detention Center until recently.
He said he also wanted the court to hear arguments during the preliminary hearing in the case before making any decisions on bond.
Dale is charged with aggravated battery, abuse of a child and two counts of aggravated endangering a child.
The counts allege Dale pushed a fork into her son’s mouth, causing cuts inside his mouth.
Other counts stem from the child’s death on March 25 when the child was left alone with Dale’s boyfriend, Chad Carr.
Dale’s preliminary hearing was continued to 9 a.m. Wednesday.
Carr’s preliminary hearing was continued to 9 a.m. May 14.
http://www.thekansan.com/news/x1540365196/Mother-of-slain-toddler-denied-bond-reduction
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Katheryn Nycole Dale listens to her attorney Gregory Barker Thursday morning in Harvey County District Court. A request for a bond reduction for her was denied. Dale is charged with aggravated battery, abuse of a child and two counts of aggravated endangering a childhttp://i40.tinypic.com/juu9w9.jpg

[AngelFire]

Her bail, and her freedom should all be denied. May she never see the outside of prison ever again. Let her live her disgusting worthless life with the rest of human scum. She should never even be allowed to have a reason to smile ever in life.

[Whisper]

More charges added to child death case
Harvey County authorities on Friday upgraded charges against Chad Carr, the 26-year-old North Newton man accused of beating his girlfriend’s 19-month-old son to death.

Carr, originally charged with two counts of aggravated battery and two counts of child abuse, was charged Friday with first-degree murder in the March 27 death of Vincent Hill, according to a statement from Sheriff T. Walton. Carr also still faces the aggravated battery and child abuse charges. Bail, previously set at $225,000, was increased to $300,000, including that for an unrelated case.
[...]http://www.hutchnews.com/Latestlocalnews/newtondeathfri

[cheeseburgersanchez]

Poor baby. How can these people do this to children?

[Tundratot]

By Cristina Janney
Newton Kansan
Posted Jun 09, 2010 @ 11:16 AM
NEWTON —

The man accused of killing a North Newton toddler in March made a first appearance on murder charges Tuesday in Harvey County District Court.
Chad Carr, 26, of North Newton is charged with felony murder, two counts of aggravated battery and two counts of abuse of child in connection with the death of 19-month-old Vincent Hill.
. . .
Harvey County Attorney David Yoder said an autopsy report that was released Friday indicated the child died from complications of multiple blunt-force trauma combined with oxygen deprivation to the brain from suffocation or asphyxiation.
The death was ruled a homicide.
Carr’s murder case does not meet the standards for the death penalty.
Carr also is facing 13 counts of sexual exploitation of a child in a separate child pornography case. Yoder moved Tuesday to drop three of the 16 original counts, saying on further review, three images were questionable to proceed with on charges.
. . .
Yoder has not amended the charges against Dale. He said the charges against Dale could be amended, but he is in talks with Dale’s attorney.
Dale’s preliminary hearing is set for 2 p.m. June 16.
. . . http://www.thekansan.com/features/x148964826/Carr-in-court-in-toddler-murder-case

[Mystica43229]

I give up. This world is totally fucked.

[Whisper]

Judge won't restrict media access to mother's hearing

NEWTON — A judge today denied a defense attorney's request to restrict electronic media access to a preliminary hearing for a woman charged with endangering, abusing and battering her 19-month-old son.

Gregory Barker, the attorney for Katheryn Nycole Dale, contended that electronic-media exposure to the preliminary hearing, set for Wednesday, would harm her right to a fair trial because it would make potential jurors biased.

Dale is accused of injuring her son, Vincent Hill. The toddler died in late March. He had been living at a North Newton duplex with his mother and her boyfriend, Chad Carr, 26. Carr has been charged with first-degree murder in the boy's death.
[...]
Dickinson also said that extensive media coverage of other high-profile cases did not taint pools of prospective jurors. http://www.kansas.com/2010/06/14/1360111/judge-wont-restrict-media-access.html

[Tundratot]

By Cristina Janney
The Newton Kansan
Posted Jul 09, 2010 @ 10:42 PM
Last update Jul 09, 2010 @ 11:02 PM

. . .
Carr, 26, was allegedly home alone with the toddler in North Newton on March 27 when 19-month-old Vincent Hill stopped breathing.
Carr was the boyfriend of the boy’s mother, Katheryn Nycole Dale.
Dr. Scott Kipper of the Sedgwick County coroner’s office testified Friday the child died of asphyxiation and likely was suffocated.
Hill had impressions on the inside of his lips that indicated they were forcibly pushed against his teeth, he said.
Harvey County sheriff’s investigator Robert Guest testified Carr told him in an interview he sometimes put a rag in Hill’s mouth or cupped his hand over his mouth to stop Hill from crying.
Carr also told Guest he once tied the child’s hands behind his back for picking up fuzz of the carpet and sometimes slapped on the hand for doing the same.
Carr told Guest Hill fell down at least part of a flight of carpeted stairs the day before his death. Defense attorney Charles O’Hara argued at least part of the injuries the child received could have been from the fall.
Kipper said although some of the injuries could be related to a fall down stairs, some of the injuries, including the asphyxiation, could not.
In his report, Kipper deemed Hill’s death a homicide.
Dr. Audrey Roberts, the pediatrician who attended to Hill when he was brought into the emergency room at Newton Medical Center, testified about the injuries she witnessed on Hill’s body.
Roberts said Hill had injuries from his head to his toes.
She said Hill had a lot of bruising on his face, an eye swollen shut, blood behind his ear drum, retinal bleeding and “massive” trauma to the mouth.
He also had a broken collar bone and a broken right leg — injuries that Roberts said were likely recent.
Roberts also testified the child had bruised genitalia that was swollen to about three times its normal size.
Hill also had some older injuries, Roberts said, including bruising and a broken left leg.
“Vincent was not old enough to climb to high enough or run fast enough to receive these type of injuries to the front and the back,” she said. “Injuries to both sides are not consistent with accidental trauma. It was most likely child abuse.”
Carr called 911 to report the child not breathing and was doing CPR when law-enforcement officials arrived.
However, Roberts testified the rigor had started to set in when she examined the child at the emergency room, which means the child could have been dead two hours or more.
O’Hara repeatedly questioned defense witnesses about the time of death and the age of Hill’s injuries.
Kipper said the freshest injuries occurred within 24 hours of the Hill’s death, but he said a precise time of death could not be determined.
O’Hara argued that was not a narrow enough time frame to determine Carr injured Hill.
Carr told police he put Hill to bed at 9 p.m. March 26 and did not see him again until Carr woke up at about 3:30 p.m. the next day to find Hill not breathing in his crib.
Hill’s mother, Dale, left at 9 a.m. March 27 to go to a baby shower in Wichita, Carr told police.
She did not return until she was notified of her son’s death, Guest testified.
Harvey County Attorney David Yoder also presented evidence of photos taken at the scene of Hill’s crib. Investigators found no blood in the child’s upstairs room.
However, they found dried blood on a bib at the home, sheriff’s deputy Gary Littlejohn testified.
Yoder also introduced photos of Carr’s hands, which showed some injuries to the knuckles.
Carr told police he injured his hands at work.
Carr’s attorney said Carr has consistently told police he did not hurt Hill on the day he died and argued there was not enough evidence to prove Carr killed Hill.
However, Judge Richard Walker bound Carr over on a charge of first-degree murder, as well as one count of aggravated battery and one count of abuse of a child.
A second count of abuse of a child and a second count of aggravated battery were dismissed.
Yoder dropped one count of aggravated battery because he said it duplicated the other charge. Walker said there was not enough evidence that Carr abused Hill prior to March 27 to sustain the second count of abuse of a child.
Carr pleaded not guilty to all three charges and requested a jury trial.
Carr is set to be in court for a pretrial hearing at 1 p.m. Aug. 18.
. . .
http://www.thekansan.com/topstories/x909202109/Carr-bound-over-on-murder-charge

[cubby]

I still don't like it when babies are referred to by their last names, it just seems so unnecessarily cold and clinical. Babies need to be snuggled and cuddled and it just seems like an insult after their terrible lives.

I guess I don't really know what I'm trying to say but maybe some of you get what I'm attempting to say.

[shamrocker]

I'm not getting how this brutal abuse and muder of a toddler isn't enough grounds for the Death Penalty. What does it take... the death of 2, 3 or 10 kids? These damn lawyers and judges better get their justice shit straight... they are forcing the rest of us in society to mete out proper justice before they get to court. I'm no vigilante, but damn if this 'legal justice' is nothing but a crock of bullshit. Of course, this son-of-a-bitch deserves the Death Penalty... he has no place in this world and feeding his sorry ass for the next 50 years isn't too pleasant an option; I'm no bleeding heart... I'd shoot his sorry ass dead in a heartbeat! :mad2:

[akika666]

I still don't like it when babies are referred to by their last names, it just seems so unnecessarily cold and clinical. Babies need to be snuggled and cuddled and it just seems like an insult after their terrible lives.

I guess I don't really know what I'm trying to say but maybe some of you get what I'm attempting to say.

i'm so old-school that i don't think females should be referred to by last name only, either. while i am so bitter that it doesn't bug me too much when it refers to a bitch like this, it's done all the time, even in non-crime reporting.

i was taught never to do it when writing, and since it was impressed on me at a young age, it's permanent. and aside from the mushy stuff cubby's talking about, it's just damn confusing to read.

children and ladies.

[CiaraLuna]

So sad. He was such a cute little boy.

[redsaid]

Walton is frustrated and now wants residents to call 911 instead of the hotline, because that will ensure that an officer will go to the home in question to investigate.


That's what I've been saying all along.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

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Katheryn Nycole Dale, the mother of the late 19-month-old Vincent Hill, pleaded no contest to charges of abuse of a child and aggravated endangerment of a child Thursday in Harvey County District Court.
[...]

“She knowingly placed the child in a situation in which life and body were in danger,” Yoder said during the court hearing. “That meets the statutory requirements for aggravated endangerment of a child that day.”

Carr has been charged with murder in Hill’s death.

Although it is not spelled out in the plea agreement, Yoder said it is his expectation Dale will testify in the case against Carr.
[...]

A sentence on a child abuse charge can be 31 to 136 months in prison, and a sentence on an aggravated endangerment of a child charge can be 5 to 17 months.
Although sentencing recommendations will be determined by an extensive court services background check, Yoder said he did not think Dale had a prior criminal record.

This means Dale would fall in what is called a border box for sentencing. She likely would face 31 to 38 months incarceration on the first charge and five to eight months on the second charge.

It will be up to Judge Joe Dickinson to decide if Dale will serve probation or prison time.

“It could go either way,” Yoder said. “The state has made no recommendations. It is entirely up to the judge.”

Dale also will be ordered to attend child abuse awareness and anger management classes.

Dale’s sentencing is set for Sept. 30.

Two counts of aggravated battery against Dale were dropped Thursday.

Yoder said one count of aggravated battery stemmed from investigators’ belief Dale had caused some of Hill’s injuries on March 27.

However, Yoder said further investigation lead police to believe all the injuries from March 27 were caused by Carr.

The other charge was connected to the fork incident. Yoder said if Dale had been convicted by a jury, she would have been sentenced on the more specific abuse of a child charge.
http://www.thekansan.com/features/x272786289/Dead-toddler-s-mother-takes-plea

[badfish76]

Oh come the fuck oooooonnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ugh!

[Aena]

Less than 4 years for killing your child, WTF is going on? I am speechless...

[WhatThe]

I shouldn't have come anywhere near this thread. My blood is boiling. Neither of them are getting anything near what I think they both deserve.

And that poor neighbor, doing what she thought was best. All she wanted was for someone to come check on the situation that baby was in. *sigh*

[hotcnymom]

I am so hurt over whatever you want to call her allowing this pos to kill her baby...It is worse knowing the lady next door called for help for the little guy.I cannot even put into words how angry I am...

[Tundratot]

. . .

Katheryn Nycole Dale is scheduled to be sentenced in Harvey County District Court at 3 p.m. Dale has pleaded no contest to child abuse and aggravated child endangerment in a case involving her son, Vincent Hill, who died March 27.

Chad Carr, who was Dale's live-in boyfriend, has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder, aggravated battery and child abuse in Vincent's death.

Under a plea agreement, Dale is expected to cooperate in the murder case against Carr and to testify at his trial, Harvey County Attorney David Yoder has said.

. . .

Carr had in the past hit the boy and stuffed a cloth, rag or shirt in his mouth to stifle his crying, according to testimony.

A deputy coroner has testified that Vincent died from a brain injury most likely caused by suffocation. The brain injury also involved multiple blunt-force injuries, the official said.


http://www.kansas.com/2010/09/29/1516883/woman-faces-sentencing-in-death.html#ixzz111cFYXZ3Hang her high, after she testifies to Carr's guilt.

[biteme]

Some people should never have been born and child services is incompetent and useless
Don't bother calling them, call the cops, only way to get a rational investigation of the situation. remember CPS most often only asks the perpetrators if they're abusive and if they say "NO" the investigation is over and the case is closed
Black and blue, cut and broken babies mean nothing to them, only what the abuser tells them goes into their worthless case closed report

[RowensBones]

Of course, Mom and her "penis of the month" are guilty, but what pisses me off even more is when you have "supposedly" caring neighbors and family "who don't want to get involved". I'm sick of it and it's everywhere - this attitude of "not my problem" , "don't wanna be confrontational", etc. Fuck that! Get involved, piss a few people off, you might actually save a life! I am currently being ostracized because my nephew in law keeps buying pitbulls as pets for his 7 yr old!! The kids been bitten once already, dad's a damned drunk / on gain, off again meth head, and everytime I bitch, complain or say "hey wtf?" - I get told to mind my own business. I've given him his one chance to get his shit together. If I catch him again, the local Police will be hearing from me. Funny thing is, since I confronted him, there are no displays of stupidity in front of me anymore... Doesn't change my concerns though. Out of sight is not out of mind.

[crimsonsorrow]

"Months ago, Link thought about knocking on her neighbor's door but didn't want to have a confrontation, she said. And at the time, she didn't think it was necessary to call police, she said."

this is why you need to go over there with a gun. I'm just sayin.

I cannot believe the time she is due to serve. I hope they DONT isolate her. Prison moms are ruthless. I cannot wait to hear about the dude's trial.

[galadrial]

WHY do people like this breed?
that really pisses me off.
Rest well, little one.

i am a firm believer in punishment to suit the crime......and stupidity should be punished PAINFULLY!!!! they should both be in the same amount of deep shit - i say give 'em both the death penalty and let them wait for it in GP for a few months.cant believe hes not eligible for the death penalty and that she isnt charged with accessory to......:argh::banghead:
R.I.P. Angel Baby

[Dakota Valkyrie]

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Katheryn Nycole Dale, 21, was sentenced to 34 months in prison on a charge of child abuse and seven months on a charge of aggravated endangerment of a child.

District Judge Joe Dickinson ordered the sentences to run consecutively.
[...]

Dale had two juvenile convictions but no adult convictions. That made her eligible for probation.

Dale’s attorney said Dale was attending counseling and an anger management class.
He said Dale admitted to injuring Vincent’s mouth after extensive interrogation immediately following Vincent’s death and had been under duress.

Like Vincent, Barker said Dale was a victim in the case.

“I don’t know how much more punishment you could give a person than to have their baby murdered,” Barker said. “I don’t know what more a court could do to deter one than that.”

Yoder countered that Vincent’s death was a part of a pattern of abuse from which his mother should have protected him.

“This didn’t happen suddenly on a Saturday afternoon. This boy had been systematically abused over time,” he said.

Dickinson opted to sentence Dale to the maximum sentence on both charges.

“This is a horrible situation,” he said. “You were supposed to protect and take care of this helpless child and keep him safe. You have to have accountability in this case. You knew the child was the potential victim of acts of violence, and you left him in that environment.”
[...]
http://www.thekansan.com/features/x161457388/Dead-toddler-s-mother-gets-prison

[Whisper]

Chad Carr gets chance for plea in toddler death

NEWTON — A man accused of murdering a 19-month-old North Newton boy will get an opportunity at a plea deal.
Chad Carr of North Newton is charged in the death of his girlfriend’s son, Vincent Hill, on March 27 in North Newton.
Carr was home alone with the boy the day he died.
A coroner testified in Carr’s preliminary hearing Hill died of blunt force trauma and suffocation.
Harvey County Judge Richard Walker ordered a date set for a settlement conference during a pre-trial hearing on the case Friday in district court.
During a settlement conference, the defense attorney and defendant are placed in one room, and the prosecutor and victim or his family members are placed in the other room. Both sides separately present their cases to a judge who has not previously heard evidence in the case.
Both sides separately present their cases to a judge who has not previously heard evidence in the case.
Both sides will then make offers concerning a plea agreement.
If an agreement can be made, a jury trial is unnecessary.
Settlement conferences are used frequently in civil cases, especially when monetary damages are at issue, said Harvey County Attorney David Yoder.
The conferences were first used in Harvey County criminal court about a year ago and have been successfully used to negotiate several sex abuse cases, Yoder said. However, it has never been used in Harvey County to settle a murder case, he said.
The conferences are conducted in closed session, which saves government the cost of a jury trial and witnesses from having to testify in open court.
Walker said the case will be assigned to Judge Carl Anderson who has been successful in resolving other high-profile cases.
The settlement conference in the case is set for Jan. 14. If the case is not resolved, it will proceed to jury trial on Jan. 24.
Hill’s mother, Katheryn Nycole Dale, was sentenced on Sept. 30 to 34 months in prison on charges of child abuse and aggravated endangerment of a child in connection with her son’s death.
If the case goes to trial, she is expected to testify in the case.
Carr, in an unrelated case, is charged with three counts of possessing child pornography. That case was continued to 9 a.m. Nov. 24.
Carr’s brother, Chris Carr, was bound over on the same charges after a preliminary hearing Wednesday. Both brothers lived together with their mother in a Newton apartment for a time.
[...]

http://www.thekansan.com/news/x115384982/Chad-Carr-gets-chance-for-plea-in-toddler-death

[Tundratot]

. . .

Chad Carr's attorney is asking for some statements that Carr made the night of the incident to not be admitted at trial. Carr is claiming that statements that he made during the chaos of the events should not be allowed.

A Newton Police Officer said that Carr called Kathryn Dale, the child's mother, and said that he didn't know she had left the baby with him. Then, the officer testifed that Carr wasn't read his miranda rights until five hours after police arrived at the home. During that time, Carr made numerous statements about the events, but Harvey County Attorney David Yoder claims Carr was free to leave at any time and was never under arrest or being detained.

. . .

Judge David Walker could rule on the motion later today. The murder case is set to go to trial later this month. http://www.kake.com/news/headlines/Hearing_Underway_In_Child_Murder_Case_112870004.ht ml?ref=004

Forget it, you s***bag!

[Eccentric Lady]

I still don't like it when babies are referred to by their last names, it just seems so unnecessarily cold and clinical. Babies need to be snuggled and cuddled and it just seems like an insult after their terrible lives.

I guess I don't really know what I'm trying to say but maybe some of you get what I'm attempting to say.

I do. Poor little Vincent wasn't mature enough to be called by his surname like he was in the military or something. He was so young and the little babe didn't even get much of chance to grow before suffering at the hands of that bitch and live-in penis. It perhaps would be better to go by first names for the children and distance ourselves by using surnames of the scum that snuffed out his candle all too soon?

Vincent deserves to be addressed as a person. His killers? Nah, they proved otherwise how inhuman they are.

[badfish76]

Joke is on the POS baby killer because you do not have to be read Miranda unless you are IN CUSTODY being interrogated.

Can't wait to watch these motherfuckers burn and I damn sure won't want any water to help them.

[Tundratot]

A small victory:


. . . Defense attorneys tried to block the statements, saying police used trickery and improper interrogation methods to coerce Carr the night Hill died.

But the judge said Carr was not being interrogated as a suspect at the time he said those things -- and he said nothing incriminating before officers read him his Miranda Rights.

"I simply don't find that at any stage the rights of the defendant were violated," said the Hon. Richard Walker Thursday afternoon. "So the decision of the court, the motion to suppress is overruled and denied in its entirety." . . .
http://www.kwch.com/news/crimewatch/kwch-news-rag-chad-carrs-statements-can-be-evidence,0,7989932.story

[VXIII]

evidently they never came to an agreement at the settlement conference?

[Shadow]

what ever happened to checking on kids/people if you think they're in a dangerous home? ffs..my son was a baby.. and he was covered in a heat rash one summer because it was hella humid and we didn't have A/C. i took him with me to the mailbox sans t-shirt.. just a diaper, because it was so damned muggy.. fuckin' north carolina weather... anyway..my 'well meaning' neighbor called CPS on me.. they paid a visit alleging that i was abusing my son. that his 'rash' was due to him being unbathed, and that i allowed him to cry all the time. when CPS arrived, my son was sleeping peacefully in his crib... i'd given him a luke-warm bath, put a onesie on him and put him down for a nap.. i had to wake my son up, and undress him so that they could see for themselves that the 'rash' wasn't anything more than 'heat'..interestingly enough, when i undressed him.. there was no sign of heat rash or any other rash. my home was clean, his bedding was clean, his room was in order, he was a happy baby, even when woken up from a nap... they went through my cabinets to make sure there was enough food, and asked me if i had anyone helping me with him.. my son cried sometimes, from being over tired, or teething.. but i didn't let him cry for hours on end.. and there were absolutely *no* signs of abuse.. they closed the case.. i don't know how many times CPS was called on me, when my kids were little..

~shadow

[Tundratot]

After three hours of discussion, no settlement was reached in the murder case of 19-month-old Vincent Hill. . . .

Both sides met Friday afternoon to work with a judge and the family of Hill to determine if a settlement could be reached. That didn't happen, but the talks will continue.

. . .

A judge told Carr in court Friday that this process is his last chance to influence his fate. If they don't reach a settlement both sides can live with, the case will go to a jury trial.http://www.kwch.com/news/kwch-news-kah-settlement-hearing-underway-for-death-a-north-newton-chid-20110311,0,5292539.story

How the hell do you "settle" a murder case? Really!? Settle? That's for civil cases, property disputes, divorces . . . You don't let a murderer negotiate his charge, his guilty or innocence, or his sentence. It's immoral.

[Tundratot]

Chad Carr got 30 days on an unrelated child porn charge. http://www.thekansan.com/topstories/x556409062/Carr-sentenced-for-child-porn-possession

[badfish76]

The freak is a child predator. Period. He killed one kid and gazed lustily (GAG!!!) at young girls via video.

It is blatantly clear that this creature has NO BOUNDARIES where children are concerned. He is not able to conform his conduct to the standards of the law and should not be out roaming around society where he can prey Upon children that are defenseless. I hope that at the very least the child porn conviction can be introduced at his sentencing for the murder of the baby to show that he has a pattern of victimizing children.

[Tundratot]

WICHITA — The trial of Chad Carr, accused of killing a 19-month North Newton child, has been continued.

Carr's trial was set to begin Monday in Harvey County. No reason for the delay was given and a new trial date has not been set, according to a release from the Harvey County Attorney's Office. . . .

Two previous trial dates, in January and March, also were continued.
http://www.kansas.com/2011/10/14/2062123/trial-in-death-of-north-newton.html

I hope they're using this to strengthen their case, not just dicking around.

[princessgrandma]

Reading through this thread literally pissed me off. After reading all the torture this asshole put little Vincent through, I'm not getting how it doesn't qualify for death penalty. And the mother (I use the term loosely) got a freaking slap on the wrist for ignoring what was going on with this creep and her child. You can't convince me that she didn't know. Little Vincent only lived 19 months, and every single day of it was probably full of pain. I hate people sometimes.

They keep continuing, having conferences and all kinds of bullshit. It's rediculous. Just put the asshole away for life. He needs to be put to death, slowly and painfully. It literally makes my heart hurt reading all that he did to this baby.

His mother will be out and breeding again before you turn around. People like her just keep on doing the same stupid stuff over and over. I really feel for any child she has or will ever have. If CPS ever wanted to halfway redeem themselves, they'd never let her see any of her children again, and they'll take any that she gives birth to after this away as soon as they're born.

RIP, little Vincent. You deserved love and so much more than what you got.

[Tundratot]

Crap! Crap! CRAP!! I hate it when the guys plead out.


NEWTON, Kansas (KSN) -- A North Newton man charged with killing 19-month-old Vincent Hill has agreed to a plea deal in the case.

Chad Carr pleaded guilty to one count of second-degree murder, three counts of aggravated battery and one count of child abuse, Thursday morning in the Harvey County Courthouse.

He will spend 241 months, or just more than 20 years, in prison. Taking into account time served and time off for good behavior, Carr could be released from prison in 17 years. Harvey County Attorney David Yoder said this sentence is about 80 percent of what Carr could have received, if he had gone to trial and been convicted on all of the counts. Yoder said this was the worst case he's ever had to try and while he is not happy with the outcome, he said justice has been served because Carr will serve the maximum amount allowed under a plea deal.

http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/Newton-man-makes-plea-deal-in-death-of-infant/Dh4sP3baB0eAJSG9W8WLKw.cspx

[Sammy]

Ok, I am kinda new here and have managed to read so many of these stories and not cry but seeing this sweet little angels face after reading what happened I couldn't stop from crying. What is with all these monsters? Is there something wrong with their DNA?? There has to be some kind of explaination that just plain not giving a shit and killing your kid or kids.

There are very few consequences for their murdering a child, or any other abhorrent behavior in their worthless lives, like producing one kid right after another, wanting none of them.

There is no reason under God's sky these two (and all the others) shouldn't be put to death ASAP!

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Although the agreement calls for Carr to serve a 20-year sentence, it is up to Judge Richard Walker to determine the sentence. Walker set a sentencing hearing for Jan. 17 in Harvey County District Court.

If Carr had been convicted of first-degree murder, as originally charged, he could have faced a life sentence and been considered for parole after 25 years, said Harvey County Attorney David Yoder.

But Yoder said he concluded — after weighing the risks and after speaking with Vincent's family and law enforcement — that he didn't want to face a chance that a jury might convict Carr of lesser crimes that would bring a shorter sentence than 20 years.

"It's better to take the certain thing," Yoder said of the plea agreement. If the judge approves the sentencing recommendation, Carr, now 28, would be in prison into his 40s, Yoder said.
[...]

Under the second-degree murder charge that Carr pleaded guilty to, the death was "unintentional but reckless" and done with "extreme indifference to the value of human life," Yoder said.

Carr admitted that to stop the 19-month-old from crying, he twisted the boy's arms behind him, stuffed a cloth in his mouth and pinched his nose, Yoder said in court.

After the hearing, Yoder said it's the most brutal child abuse death he has dealt with as a prosecutor.

"This case has given me many sleepless nights," he said.
[...]
http://www.kansas.com/2011/11/04/2089370/moms-boyfriend-guilty-in-babys.html

[Tundratot]

he twisted the boy's arms behind him, stuffed a cloth in his mouth and pinched his nose, Yoder said in court.This, to a 19 month old toddler. Some things just exceed any kind of common sense or justifiable response. Ass should never get out of prison because he can always find some women and her children to inflict himself upon.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

When county attorney David Yoder announced a plea bargain in the case of Chad Carr this week, public reaction was swift.

A poll at the Kansan online showed 81 percent of those responding believe 20 years in prison is not enough for a man charged with abusing, and killing, toddler Vincent Hill in North Newton.

But those 20 years are the maximum sentence Carr could receive for the five charges he was convicted of when he pleaded guilty.
And it was a difficult decision for Yoder to make — rather than “go for broke” in a jury trial and risk getting reduced charges and sentences, Yoder and Hill’s surviving family chose the plea bargain.

“This is a case that will haunt me the rest of my life,” Yoder said Friday. “There is no justice in a case like this.”
[...]

“I also made sure he pled guilty,” Yoder said. “Up to this point, he had never admitted responsibility, and I thought that was important.”

A plea agreement also can be entered into with a “no contest” plea, which does not admit guilt but accepts the sentence.

Sentencing will be in January, and the judge will have the option of departing from the plea agreement and choosing a different sentence — but Yoder doesn’t believe that will happen.

“The judges in this area take pleas very seriously and know there is a lot of time and negotiations that go into them,” Yoder said. “I believe I’ve only seen one time that a judge did not follow a plea agreement.”

In this case, departing from the agreement would mean shortening Carr’s time in prison.

Under state statute, each felony charge is typed, and then combined with previous convictions. The statutes set a minimum and maximum amount of time served.

In the case of Chad Carr, a second-degree murder conviction carries with it a minimum of 123 months and a maximum of 138 months in prison. Aggravated battery carries a minimum of 38 months and maximum of 43 months. Abuse of a child carries a minimum of 31 months and maximum of 34. Aggravated battery, which Carr was charged with two counts of, carries a minimum of 11 and maximum of 13.

Combining all sentences, Carr faces a minimum of 216 months and a maximum of 241 months — about 80 percent of the maximum sentence Carr could have received if convicted of the original first-degree murder charge.

Yoder said a Kansas supreme court finding in July changing how murder cases are tried made pursing a jury trial “much riskier.”

“You second-guess yourself a lot with this,” Yoder said. “But under the plea, he will serve the highest score on all of those charges.”

The plea agreement calls for Carr to serve 241 months, just a bit more than 20 years, in prison. It also calls for the sentences to be consecutive, rather than concurrent. In concurrent sentences, Carr would have served the 138 months — or about 11 and a half years.

“They will be added up, and he will serve them all,” Yoder said. “He will have five felony convictions and have to register as a violent offender.”
http://www.thekansan.com/features/x2128843813/Followup-Plea-calls-for-Carr-to-serve-maximum-sentences

[Dakota Valkyrie]

http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/20120118-15.jpg
Chad Carr listens during sentencing
Chad Carr was sentenced Tuesday in the death of toddler Vincent Hill, the result of a plea agreement made in November.

As a result of the plea, which included Carr entering a plea of guilty, he will spend 20 years in prison.

“This was two years in the making,” said Richard Hill, Vincent Hill’s biological father. “But this doesn’t change anything, whether he got this amount of time, or two days. This won’t bring (Vincent Hill) back.”

Carr received the maximum sentence on all five counts he was charged with — including a second-degree murder charge. He will serve 241 months in prison. He can earn up to 36.15 months of good behavior time and will be subject to 36 months of post-release supervision.

District court judge Richard Walker upheld the plea agreement, though at times appeared shaken during the sentencing.

“There was awful evidence presented to the court in his case,” Walker said. “I feel like what EMS workers after (a natural disaster) must feel, the shock and horror of the awfulness of what happened. The tragedy is this was a preventable death. Vincent Hill did not have to die.”
[...]

“There is a lot of anger in this case and I feel some of that anger,” Walker said. “There are far too many Vincent Hills. ... In this county, and all counties, there are other possible Vincent Hills.”

Carr made one brief statement in court, speaking softly as he faced Walker’s bench.

“I’d like to say I’m sorry for what happened,” Carr said. “If there was something I could do to change it, I would.”

Chad Carr was sentenced to 138 months for one count of second-degree murder; 43 months for aggravated battery; 13 months for a second count of aggravated battery, 34 months for abuse of a child; and 13 months for a third count of aggravated battery. All sentences will run consecutively for a total of 241 months in prison.
[...]
http://www.augustagazette.com/newsnow/x255291453/Followup-Carr-sentenced-to-more-than-20-years

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Richard Hill, father of Vincent Hill, and his mother, Gail Myers, listen during sentencing