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Athena
April 17th, 2008, 03:13 PM
...Bridgette Bardot is being charged with "inciting racial hatred" for remarkes in a letter to French government officials protesting the slaughter of sheep during Eid-al-Kabir, a Muslim festival. In said communication, she referred to Muslims as, "this population that leads us around by the nose, [and] which destroys our country."

Apparently, in France, that's enough to be brought up on charges...Charges she's been convicted of on four prior occasions. From a TIME article:


In 1997, for example, Bardot was first convicted on the charge of "inciting racial hatred" for her open letter to French daily Le Figaro, complaining of "foreign over-population", mostly by Muslim families.

The following year she was convicted anew for decrying the loss of French identity and tradition due to the multiplication of mosques "while our church bells fall silent for want of priests."

In 2000, Bardot was again convicted — this time for comments in her book Pluto's Square, whose chapter "Open Letter to My Lost France" grieved for "...my country, France, my homeland, my land is again invaded by an overpopulation of foreigners, especially Muslims." And in 2004, another Bardot book, A Cry In the Silence, again took up the question of immigration and Islam — ultimately running afoul of anti-racism laws by generally associating Islam with the 9/11 terror attacks, and denouncing the "Islamization of France" by people she described as "invaders".
Source (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1731098,00.html)

Anti-racism laws. Do you think they're helping? I don't know. France did endure race riots in '05 and, as far as I can tell, Frances anti-racism laws were established prior to that (the earliest I can find in '01 and the latest in '03). Despite these laws, France saw sharp increases in racist or xenophobic violence in '03 and '04, leading up to the riots. Source (http://www.humanrightsfirst.info/pdf/06627-discrim-edf-france.pdf)

Apparently, outlawing certain behavior doesn't necessarily deter that behavior. Could the legislative attemps at political correctness actually be hurting the cause and contributing to an increase in racist speech and behavior?

swivel
April 17th, 2008, 04:38 PM
We promote diversity of skin-color...

...but all you motherfuckers had BETTER start thinking alike!

dop
April 17th, 2008, 05:03 PM
The more you push "anti racism" stuff the more racism you create. This can only help fuel the hate towards the suposdley protected races.

swivel
April 17th, 2008, 05:30 PM
The more you push "anti racism" stuff the more racism you create. This can only help fuel the hate towards the suposdley protected races.

Especially when it is as benign as this.

Pete Bondurant
April 17th, 2008, 05:59 PM
It seems that these laws seem designed primarily against white racists. Islamic imams, newspapers etc... regularly and vociferously promote hatred and violence, especially against "Zionists." However, if a caucasian/gentile type promotes anti-Semitic statements or views, i.e. David Irving, they are prosecuted. Like the leftists/liberals in the U.S., it seems that the Euros are fearful of the non-white multitudes. WE MUST NOT OFFEND THEM!:diablo:

Athena
April 17th, 2008, 06:26 PM
It seems that these laws seem designed primarily against white racists. Islamic imams, newspapers etc... regularly and vociferously promote hatred and violence, especially against "Zionists." However, if a caucasian/gentile type promotes anti-Semitic statements or views, i.e. David Irving, they are prosecuted. Like the leftists/liberals in the U.S., it seems that the Euros are fearful of the non-white multitudes. WE MUST NOT OFFEND THEM!:diablo:

While that does seem to be true for European populations with such laws, I'm not sure that this is the case here in the U.S. with our hate-crime legislation, which is the closest thing we've got. I say this because, when you compare the data of known hate crimes with the demographics of the U.S., you will find a disparity:

An analysis of available race data for the 7,330 known hate crime offenders revealed that:

58.6 percent were white.
20.6 percent were black.
5.7 percent were groups made up of individuals of various races (multiple races, group).
1.1 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander.
1.0 percent of known offenders were American Indian/Alaskan Native.
12.9 percent were unknown.

Source - FBI, 2006 (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2006/offenders.html)

White persons, percent, 2006 (a) 80.1%
Black persons, percent, 2006 (a) 12.8%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent, 2006 (a) 1.0%
Asian persons, percent, 2006 (a) 4.4%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent, 2006 (a) 0.2%
Persons reporting two or more races, percent, 2006 1.6%
Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2006 (b) 14.8%

Source - U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html)

So, as you can see, the incidence of hate crime offenders (convicts) is disproportionately low for white people. Now, it's just a cursory glance, as lots plays into the pursual of justice in America. Still, justice agencies were targeting white folk for committing hate crimes, I'm sure the numbers would reflect it, at least to an extent.

The Diabolical Mr. Lieman
April 20th, 2008, 12:35 PM
Damn, I missed this.

Jesus. Its as bad as a thought crime. Anti Racism law? Shiiit. Good reading, and Im glad it was posted. This shocks me...I mustve had my head in the sand for a while, I hadnt realized they had this....

Athena
April 22nd, 2008, 10:38 AM
Damn, I missed this.

Jesus. Its as bad as a thought crime. Anti Racism law? Shiiit. Good reading, and Im glad it was posted. This shocks me...I mustve had my head in the sand for a while, I hadnt realized they had this....

Heh...No vacationing in Paris for you, Mr. Lieman... :p