Are full body scanners in airport a breach of child protection laws?

[Jessiesgirl1108]

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Civil liberties advocates are condemning the proposed use of full body scanners in European airports as a possible breach of child protection laws.

The move comes as the EU is considering use of the scanners, which Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini described to the Agence France Presse news agency as "the most reliable instrument" for detecting a terror threat.

"The right to security is essential for all other freedoms," he told the AFP.

Terri Dowty of the Action On Rights For Children disagreed, saying the machines could create an indecent - and illegal - image of a child.

"They do not have the legal power to use full body scanners in that way," Dowty told the news agency.

The British government would have to exempt those under 18 years of age from scans or delay implementation of the machines until a compromise could be worked out, London's Daily Mail reported.

On Sunday British Prime Minister Gordon Brown told the British Broadcasting Corp. that scanners would be put into use in his country and that all passengers, even those only transiting through its airports, would have their hand luggage screened for traces of explosives.

An EU spokeswoman told the AFP that Brussels "considers body scanners, if they meet the health standards and security standards, as a useful additional tool providing they do not contradict existing European legislation."

The body will meet on Thursday to consider the scanners.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/01/05/2010-01-05_airport_body_scanners_may_.html

[battery jackson]

no but they're in breach of human decency laws.

guess what guys, the terrorists are winning.

[biteme]

Great idea, because terrorist are above using children
Guess you don't legally become a terrorist until after your 18th birthday
This isn't about terrorist, this is Big Brother becoming stronger
:sheep:

[62julietandvoid]

NOw that I see exactly what images these machines produce I am so not impressed. I can see his tibia and fibias and stuff, but what about the abdominal cavity? What is the dark spot? A bruise?

[Pixie]

This is absurd.

[Pazuzu]

This is absurd.

Penis!

[backlash]

still think it's camel toe.

[Pazuzu]

still think it's camel toe.

I know a penis when I see one.

[Saffron]

I know a penis when I see one.

Looks like the same dude in the picture beside the scan... same head shape, same shoulder shape and it looks like a penis to me too.

[Pixie]

We have confirmation! That man is withholding a penis!

[Pazuzu]

We have confirmation! That man is withholding a penis!

Terrorist!

[Saffron]

My biggest problem is that I don't know that it will make any difference. The descriptions I've read about the Christmas Day attempted bombing is that he was in the bathroom for a VERY long time and he came out looking distinctly uncomfortable and I thought I even remember reading "walking funny." I immediately assumed he had something up his ass. The scanner's not going to see that. It's just not. That's how drugs are smuggled into prisons, I'm sure terrorists do (or will) use the same method to smuggle shit (no pun intended) to make bombs on airplanes. There's really no answer that can keep anyone 100% safe ever. They aren't supposed to pat down a genital area from what I've read, just use metal detectors. That won't find a syringe. So what can we do? Start requiring full body cavity searches? The airline business would be out of business in less than a week. Vigilance and people keeping their eyes open for unusual behavior.

[Athena]

I got all excited because a new TT thread appeared to be interesting enough to have a dozen posts already... Only to find out that HALF the posts are mindless bullshit.

You've got PLENTY of threads AND a chatbox to post mindless bullshit. Please leave it out of Three Things.

Thanks. :happy:

[Pete Bondurant]

I support having these things installed in every airport, bus station, train station, federal building and school.

[battery jackson]

I support having these things installed in every airport, bus station, train station, federal building and school.

this could be ok......well only if possession of everything imaginable is 100%nonprosecutable except for hiding weapons of mass destruction in one's asshole in public venue. otherwise i support the usage of said weapons of mass destruction (and anything else capable) used to do nothing other than to break every machine and erase all blueprints & documented scientific research which led to their invention. i'm a militant luddite when it comes to biometric technology that is not being used to turn on computers or open up doors.

this is simply something we do not really need at all, and it cannot be trusted in the hands of power brokers. this is more of a psyop than anything else. it is no secret that for quite some time, the populace has been groomed for a brand of strongly incompetent central control by a controller who is not me. this is highly unacceptable. 20 years from now, things are going to suck. someone will have to invent a time machine in order to teach schoolchildren about personal liberty.

think about it, if the common individual cannot be trusted to a point we need such machines, then how can groups of individuals, ear deep in groupthink, who worship codified law and pseudomoralistic endeavors over actuality, as part of corrupt and ineffectual organizations, ever be trusted to wield such machines?


plus, if the state was any good at doing ANYTHING right and exact, then we'd have more of a chance of not having these things pushed upon us in the first place.

i mean i know you're a fascist, which is fine, but you trust in THIS state? i dunno if that's wise. these people are no good, just like the terrorists. there's still not a decent state on this planet. in fact, such a state has yet to be created. they had the potential to do so here but all was lost a long time ago. the point of no return can be debated by scholars and nonscholars alike, but the fact is, it's been reached!

in conclusion, i say let it all crumble to ash, so we can use the past events and experiences to upgrade life. we aren't gonna do that by treating the world's population like criminals and 2 year olds.

[Pete Bondurant]

i mean i know you're a fascist, which is fine, but you trust in THIS state? i dunno if that's wise. these people are no good, just like the terrorists.


These people (the government) are far too incompetent to do any real harm. I would have to say that I do trust them to fail completely....utterly....absolutely. We need to start killing people. Millions of people. :wacko:

[battery jackson]

These people (the government) are far too incompetent to do any real harm. I would have to say that I do trust them to fail completely....utterly....absolutely. We need to start killing people. Millions of people. :wacko:

but they already have too much power and control as it is, it's flat out dangerous and it's a major gamble with increasingly bad odds, even though it's blatantly obvious they're gonna fuck up. modern democracy does not create real leaders, it creates liars, panderers, and shills. what is popular is often not what is right and exact. but there's really no need for mass genocide, unless we are talking about a direct blow to the power structure only and not the citizenry at all. the citizenry can be worked with later, as there are really a lot of good people out there who are the victims of a system that doesn't work in their favor. that is what must go first. those among the bottom of the barrel can be removed individually on a case by case basis. (e.g. if you kill your baby or rape a kid, you become fertilizer for whichever southern state i decide to bulldoze and convert into a giant weed field.) this absolutely cannot be determined by racial or economic factors, as that is an oversimplistically savage and shallow mindstate. the determinable factors are strictly on behavior, values, positive or negative influence on the future generations, and what many of refer to as "class".

although it takes a bit longer to conduct such ugly but necessary human management, it is more important to eliminate paranoia, anxiety, discontent, and fear among the respectable citizens so they are at their best mentally and are most productive, not so much for the state and businesses as much as for themselves and their families. the end goal is for the state to only exist in terms of maximizing liberty and removing societal cancers, but this cannot take place until many other situations are fixed. during the transitionary period, the individual must once again learn to stand on his own 2 feet, and definite unacceptable rash actions must have definite equally rash consequences. the effect of undesirable behavior can in fact be lessened and discouraged by both the prevention via removal and also various positive-rooted psyops and inspirational material (propaganda) that foster both unabashed goodwill and self-sufficience in the faces of adversity. proper input and management of the media could go a long way too as well because there are so many negative influences that could be easily replaced with something else with nary a complaint from anyone who actually matters in life. liars and the ties of those with nefarious agendas will be exposed with zero consequence to prevent a return to politics and news as it currently exists in its most shameful form. it also wouldn't hurt to institute nationwide death camps disguised as reality tv audition sets.

as you can see, i've put a lot of thought into this shit. the masses could potentially accept this form of fascism because they would be guaranteed both safety and liberty, and would no longer have to place as much fear in entities such as police, government, rapists, killers, and more. the new persecuted minority would mainly be low class trash and reality tv watchers. so f'n be it.

but i wouldn't trust anyone else with such influence or power unless i'm calling the shots, as in "i can be trusted, but nobody else really can be." the cornerstone of such an institution must be for strictly for the betterment of the people and their further autonomy; not for itself, revenue, further entrenched power, or any other reasoning. we as humans can be much better than we are. so wtf are we waiting for? :cheers:

[62julietandvoid]

We have confirmation! That man is withholding a penis!

LMFAOOO