Ramiro De La Rosa battered his baby; Made to look like a Safe Haven fail

[thehesbomb]

Updated title now that more info about this has come out.




An infant was found dead outside a West Side fire station early Wednesday morning, nearly three hours after authorities said the child was left on the doorstep.

A San Antonio Fire Department spokeswoman said someone rang the doorbell of Fire Station 10, in the 1100 block of Culebra Road, around 4:30 a.m., but because no one was seen through the door's peep hole, the door wasn't opened.

“They didn't see or hear anything,” said Melissa Sparks, the spokeswoman, “And it is not procedure for them to open the door in the middle of the night.”

It wasn't until a paramedic went outside about 7 a.m. to retrieve the morning newspaper that the infant was found in a carrier, Sparks said.

Authorities did not say whether the infant's body had signs of trauma.

Authorities said the child is not a newborn but is younger than 1 year old.

The law designates fire departments as “safe baby sites” for infants up to 60 days old, but Sparks said anyone leaving a child there should make contact with someone else and physically hand the child to authorities.

No security cameras at the fire station recorded the incident, Sparks said.


http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/60671307.html

[SickenEd]

That is so sad. Poor baby. I would think that if someone were going to drop off their baby, they just might be too afraid to do it in person, and this would seem like a better scenario. Considering that firehouses are deemed as safe havens for babies to be dropped off at, wouldn't you think that maybe, just maybe you'd at least open the door and look around even if it's not procedure? IDK. Maybe that's just me..

R.I.P. little one

[myra manes]

No security cameras at the fire station recorded the incident, Sparks said.

WTF is up with that??
Why is there no camera pointed at the door of a fucking fire station???

:argh:

[Awhell]

Shit.
So sorry, little one, you were so close.

[Veronica]

That is fucking stupid. It's not "procedure" to open the damn door at a fire station when someone rings the doorbell in the middle of the night? What are they, a bunch of frightened 90-year-old women? They need to change their dumbass "procedure."

This is a perfect example of how procedure doesn't always equal common sense. Jesus Christ!

We finally hear about someone at least trying to do the right thing, and this is what happens? Open the fucking door! If I was going to surrender my baby at a firehouse, I would definitely think that ringing the doorbell before taking off would be sufficient when firehouses are designated safe havens. The point of a safe haven is to be able to give a kid up with total anonymity.

The spokeswoman's attitude is seriously rubbing me the wrong way: "Yeah, the law says it's ok, but you should still hand the kid to someone directly. It's not our fault if you don't and the child dies because we don't always feel like opening the door!!"

Whatever!

[Marv]

So, the child was NOT a newborn. It was left outside for less than 3hours, and yet it died? It must have been sick, or neglected to start with, or something. Babies are usually tougher than that. Was it a cold night and the baby wasn't wrapped up?

It could already have been dead when it was left, too.

A lot of things conspired against the poor baby here. I can't really blame the firemen for not opening the door at 4.30am. There are a hell of a lot of fucked-up freaks in this world. A CCTV camera aimed at the door and hooked up to a monitor inside would maybe be a good idea, as firestations are 'safe havens'? Then they could see what was out there without having to open the door.

As for whoever left the baby, did they not hang around (at a distance) just to make sure the door was answered and the baby found? I know I would have if I were in that terrible position of having to give up my baby. They did try to do right by the baby, but would making absolutely sure it was found be so hard to do?


RIP little baby x

[drkeegee]

additional info:
10 wk old baby - teen, drug addicted parents

The baby weighed only a few pounds and had burns on the bottom of her feet.

Several hours later, police said they had identified the baby as 10-week-old Erica Laura Hernandez. Someone left a note with the baby which later helped detectives track down her parents.

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Update-Police-track-down-parents-of-baby-found/a4BKAZ31wUms8OM-Dj39cQ.cspx

I can understand their apprehension at opening their doors in a high crime area - but public servants should take some risk - cautiously.

[Silvahalo]

I'm guessing a very young infant as a crying older baby might have alerted someone....just breaks my heart.

The laws won't work if people are not all doing what they can do to bring a safe place to this child. I agree, the procedure failed in this case, and it wasn't the mother's fault. A simple look around outside would have made the difference between life an death for this sweet child.

They need to know that people see this as unacceptable, I see where my next letter is going. An oversight, maybe, poor judgment more likely. I don't think the firefighters who found baby will ever get over this. I'm hoping that is the motivation to make changes now so this will never happen again. I feel sorry for the mother as she must know her attempt to give up baby safely failed out of her hands.

EDIT: OMG! burned feet! I feel sorry for that baby so close, so damn close to a better life.... but that mother, damn, damn.....how can one burn a child's feet???? so sorry baby Jada, so sorryl.

Rest in peace Jayda De La Rosa....kisses.
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[Veronica]

I can't really blame the firemen for not opening the door at 4.30am. x

I can. Quite easily, in fact.

Any fire fighter afraid to open a door because it's late needs to find a new profession, period. And if it wasn't an actual fireman who checked the door, well, that person needs to grow some balls as well. At the very least they could have called some more people over before opening the door.

And it was negligent in the first place not to have a camera set up.

[Silvahalo]

They came out last night, and I see the baby just laying in the stroller," the neighbor told News 4 WOAI. "And I guess she wasn't breathing or something. Because they just would come out at night. They wouldn't come out in the daytime."

Police now want to know if Erica was alive when she was dropped off at the fire station and why she was left there.Sounds like baby was dead before they left her there at the fire station. 10 wks old and only a few pounds. These drugheads were token it up while baby was starving...and the burns, that just kills me. Sweet child born to complete, selfish, druggie losers, I guess this is what we can expect. She should have given up baby immediately.

So glad they found who did this as they have another young child that is likely abused and neglected too. My heart is so heavy. I've read this before, time and time again, but still, it just never gets easier.

Kisses Jayda.

[Silvahalo]

I can. Quite easily, in fact.

Any fire fighter afraid to open a door because it's late needs to find a new profession, period. And if it wasn't an actual fireman who checked the door, well, that person needs to grow some balls as well. At the very least they could have called some more people over before opening the door.

And it was negligent in the first place not to have a camera set up.

Agree completely Veronica, and I'm familiar with that part of town. I don't live there but close enough and visit often. Its not the nicest part of town but I wouldn't say it's so crime ridden that it would keep a FIRE FIGHTER from opening the door. Baby was likely dead but still.......


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[AngelFire]

So sad for this little one. I don't know what to say to this, it's so tragic

[Pene784]

Sounds like baby was dead before they left her there at the fire station.

That is exactly what I was thinking too! I wonder if the M.E. will be able to determine how long the baby had been dead at the time she was found. I just can't seem to blame the firemen for this babies death, but I have no problem blaming her idiotic parents. There is just no possible way you can idiot proof every procedure or program and even if you tried this moronic mama would have found away to screw it up and fail her little one.

[skeptik]

The firermen were prolly drunk. My Dad was one, before he retired. It's a bit much to put the blame on them.

[Silvahalo]

The firermen were prolly drunk. My Dad was one, before he retired. It's a bit much to put the blame on them.

Absolutely right. The sick fuck parents deserve the blame as we would not even be reading on a dead 10 wk. old found with burn feet at a fire station. So yeah, they get all the blame. STILL, as they serve the public, I would expect a peek around the outside when a doorbell rings even at 4am it could have been a dying person stabbed and looking for help. You just never know. Anyhow, that's my take on it.

[Zsu Zsu's Petals]

I agree that the baby was probably dead or near dead when she was abandoned~ but I think the fire department needs to rethink their policy regarding opening the door. What if it had been an adult who had been injured or had a seizure and fell down at the door step? Just because you can't see someone standing in front of a peep hole doesn't mean no one is there.

[MadeaBecBec]

SAN ANTONIO -- A baby was found dead outside a fire station on San Antonio's west side early Wednesday morning.

The baby girl, identified as Jada De La Rosa by San Antonio police, was found in a car seat at about 7 a.m. by firefighters during a shift change at Fire Station No. 10, on Culebra Road, said San Antonio Fire Chief Charles Hood. It was not immediately clear if Jada De La Rosa was dead before she was dropped off, he said.

The child's father, identified as 18-year-old Ramiro De La Rosa, was arrested about 6:35 p.m. at the family's home on the 1800 block of North Navidad Street after a neighbor contacted police, said SAPD Officer Matt Porter. De La Rosa has been charged with causing injury to a child, but those charges could later be upgraded pending the medical examiner's investigation, Porter said.

Prior to De La Rosa's arrest, a man claiming to be the child's father left a note for the media outside his door stating Jada was alive when she was dropped off at the fire station.

The child's mother, a 16-year-old who has not been identified, is being questioned. She has not been charged.

The child, previously identified by SAPD as 10-week-old Erica Laura Hernandez in a midday news release, was later identified by SAPD spokeswoman Sandy Gutierrez as Jada De La Rosa. Porter said the child was 2 months old during an evening briefing.

The age distinction is important because the Baby Moses law allows children 60 days or younger to be dropped off at a safe haven station without criminal prosecution. Hood said for the Baby Moses act to be valid, parents must physically hand the child over to emergency officials and not leave them unsupervised.

The couple has a second child, a 1-year-old boy, who has been taken to the hospital for evaluation and will be placed in the care of Child Protective Services, Porter said.
http://www.ksat.com/news/21083142/detail.html

Poor Jada, never really had a chance, most likely born with drugs in her system and parents that didn't care. I believe Jada had already entered heaven, when her body was left on the Fire Station doorstep. Maybe, her brother will have a fighting chance, now! Mom being sixteen, brother was born to a fourteen year old drug addict???
Go with Jesus, Jada, And Fly!!

[Awhell]

Well, I guess the only consolation is that she saved her big brother. So, her little life wasn't completely wasted by the asshats that birthed her.

[Misskittychaos]

Poor Jada, but like many have already said I am going to assume she was either dead or on the brink prior to being left.

Ad for the firefighters if it is so unsafe to open the doors at night, GET CCTV! What if someone is having a freaking heart attack and slumps down after ringing the bell?!?


As for Skeptik saying:
The firermen were prolly drunk. My Dad was one, before he retired. It's a bit much to put the blame on them.

If they were that violates all the department rules I have ever seen! I Was engaged to a firefighter, I have friends and family that are firefighters and that shit isn't tolerated while working as far as the departments I know of. Further more if they were drunk, they need to be dealt with.

[Deep down fear]

What happens after this? What happens to this little boy, whose sister had to die before someone helped him? Obviously relatives taking him in is out of the question as I'm sure if someone cared, he and his sister would be safe. I would take him in a heartbeat, but I live in Wisconsin and I'm sure Texas would have a problem with this. How would I find out if he is okay? I don't know, this story really gets me. I think I'm associating saving this boy with wishing above everything that I hold dear, that I could have saved Brianna Lopez (i'm sure all of you remember that story) if I knew her. IDK guys, I'm feeling crummy inside and need some reasurance that this boy is okay. Thanks

[Deep down fear]

Silvahalo68, you live close by, help me with this. I atleast want to send him something from someone who loves him. I'm not some creepy person *laugh*, I'm a mom who is so sick and tired of reading these stories and not being able to do something about it. Know what I mean? Thanks.

[Silvahalo]

Silvahalo68, you live close by, help me with this. I atleast want to send him something from someone who loves him. I'm not some creepy person *laugh*, I'm a mom who is so sick and tired of reading these stories and not being able to do something about it. Know what I mean? Thanks.

Deep down, I will see what I can find out but as baby boy is in CPS care now, its not like they will give us a contact address. I have a friend with the media, maybe, just maybe there is a way to find out how to send something to him.
I'm also sending a letter to the fire department, not all angry like, but certainly want to express my concerns with their policy. SA is about an hour drive from me, I'll think of baby Jada and baby Scotty too when ever I'm over there again....it just breaks my heart, these cases. I would have taken baby Jada in a heartbeat and given her a loving home. I always wanted to add a little girl to our family........sigh.....so sorry Jada.

[biteme]

Parents to blame, not firefighters, we're all upset about a baby's death, but lets place the blame where it belongs, not on those that risk their life to save life

[Marv]

I can. Quite easily, in fact.

Any fire fighter afraid to open a door because it's late needs to find a new profession, period. And if it wasn't an actual fireman who checked the door, well, that person needs to grow some balls as well. At the very least they could have called some more people over before opening the door.

And it was negligent in the first place not to have a camera set up.

No matter how big their balls were, they wouldn't protect them from a bullet or a knife. That policy is there to protect them from crazies. There are a lot of them out there.

Now, the absence of a CCTV camera at the door is another matter entirely. THAT is just plain stupid and wrong.


But the venom really needs to be directed at the loser, abusive, worthless parents and their family/community and especially CPS.

The mother was 16. The father was 18. Drug addicts. A one year old baby. A malnourished, physically abused infant.

WHERE THE FUCK WERE CPS?

WHERE WERE THE REST OF THE FAMILY?

WHERE WERE THE NEIGHBOURS?


Why were things allowed to get so bad for this baby? She should have been removed as soon as she was born, as should her brother. Or at the very least, they should have been CLOSELY monitored.

[Silvahalo]

I agree marv and biteme, just think that policy should be revisited. It's not like we are talking about a church, its a fire station. They get my yearly donations so I think asking the to look at this policy is not asking a lot if it means possibly saving a life.

Oh, and a letter to CPS is also going out as I want to know wtf happened, how this could happen. We see this all the time but I say questions should always be asked in matters of children an their well being. I agree with a mother who is 16 and a druggie, and a father not much older and also on drugs, this baby didn't have much a chance at all....amazed they have a 1 yo. how in the world did he survive? Sickens me all of it. SO much failure from the start, and as I said, the parents are by far and foremost to blame.

Rest in peace baby Jada I hope your brother gets a better chance at life away from this death hole.

[Chaindrive]

According to an arrest warrant affidavit, De La Rosa admitted he choked Jayda and slapped her across her face after becoming frustrated with her crying. The teen also said he had often slapped her when he got mad.


http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Mom-of-baby-found-dead-told-neighbors-she-and/tEmEK7MR5kWd3KYUcHKp7w.cspx

In addition, the mom said the baby had stopped breathing and they took too long to get her to the fire station.

[Sister Iroz]

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[thehesbomb]

Ugly little fucker. I'd like to see him get broken.

[absinthe]

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo35/Special2bme/babyfathermug.jpg

did his meth pipe explode on his eyebrows?

[thehesbomb]

Private MySpace:

http://www.myspace.com/ramirodelarosa

Baby Jayda:

http://i35.tinypic.com/mkjijc.jpg

Another mugshot - only putting this in because he looks so damn different!

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[thebooblady]

These laws need to be federal. We need to have the same standards across the board for all the US. We need to have this law broadcast as PSA's. We need to have this broadcast with the maximum age of the child, the conditions in which they are to be left, etc. None of this bullshit..you can leave them here, but they need to be physically handed to someone. Come on now! Who the hell that is abandoning their kid wants to do it in that manner? I thought this was to save the children. These parents and anyone who knew of the child's condition were dead wrong, but how the hell do you deem a place a safe haven but have no policy about how to handle strangers ringing the doorbell at night?

[Silvahalo]

Source. (http://www.ksat.com/news/21104660/detail.html#)

A woman who identified herself as a neighbor said that Jayda's mother neglected the baby."She didn't have bottles for her. She would come ask for bottles. (But) I don't have kids and I don't have bottles," the woman said.Why didn't this neighbor report this to CPS or the authorities with concern for the baby? People often do not want to be involved. But it just takes one person taking notice and doing something that might save a childs life....just one.

This picture just broke my heart. You can see visible injuries on a baby Jayda at just 7 wks. old. Baby girl fought for her life as I have no doubt she was miserable and unloved, often hit for crying as she was hungry, and in pain. Still she lived for almost 2 months.

You will not be forgotten baby Jayda and as your ending brought a new hope for your brother your memory will live on and never die. Never to be forgotten sweet one. Never.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Despite what it initially looked like, this is NOT a safe haven fail. These people had no intention of giving up the child. They were covering their asses for what they had done.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Weeks before a young father admitted to choking and beating his infant daughter, foreboding signs abounded.

Ramiro De La Rosa, an 18-year-old drug offender who had been a fugitive for more than a year, told a friend he didn't want his baby and thought he could sell her for cash, according to the friend, 17-year-old Joe Rodriguez.

The baby's mother, a 16-year-old high school dropout, relentlessly knocked at neighbors' doors and begged for money, once seeming disappointed when she received diapers instead, another neighbor said.

The home in which the young couple, the baby and their 1-year-old son were staying without paying rent appeared trashed and without furniture, according to a landlord who owns the property.

And then there was something Rodriguez noticed when the couple took the infant out for a stroll about two weeks ago.

“The baby had a bruise on her face,” he said Thursday.

Despite the signs, no one alerted Child Protective Services until Wednesday morning, when a paramedic found 7-week old Jada De La Rosa dead outside a West Side fire station a few blocks from the rental house in which the couple lived.

De La Rosa later admitted to police that he'd choked the baby and slapped her across the face because she wouldn't stop crying, according to an affidavit for an arrest warrant. He said the beating occurred about three days earlier, but admitted he often struck the infant.

De La Rosa was charged with injury to a child and remained Thursday at the Bexar County Jail on a $100,000 bond.

The baby's mother told police Jada had already stopped breathing when she and De La Rosa placed her outside the fire station and rang a doorbell around 4 a.m. Wednesday. She returned to her own mother's home after her baby's death.

Child Protective Services took custody of her son, who had an “abrasive red mark on his neck,” CPS spokeswoman Mary Walker said. The boy was placed in a shelter.
[...]

In the current case, Eloisa Mata said her teenage daughter was taking the situation “very hard.”

“We're going to try and get (the boy) back,” she said.

Yet Mata could not explain how her daughter's lifestyle had spiraled into such a deplorable state at such a young age.

Mata was living with her daughter in a dilapidated house in the 1800 block of North Navidad when Jada was born Aug. 4.

But Mata moved out two weeks later, taking the key to the place and leaving her daughter behind, according to the landlord, who asked not to be identified out of fear of retaliation.

De La Rosa, who was released from jail on a drug charge in July, joined the teenage girl in the house.
[...]

A probation officer called the boy's mother for months and left messages but never got a call back, Reilly said.
[...]

De La Rosa was arrested for taking someone's truck and charged with theft in December 2008, a case that was dismissed, court records show.

He was arrested again in March when police discovered 0.6 gram of heroin on him. He was released from jail and sentenced to deferred adjudication in July.

“I don't know why they wouldn't have seen that there was a warrant out for him,” Reilly said. “They should have notified us that they had him.”

De La Rosa soon moved in with the mother of his children. Mata said she lost contact with her teenage daughter in those weeks.

“Nobody was there when we would go by,” she said. De La Rosa “wouldn't let us talk to her.”

Rodriguez, the neighbor, said he sometimes heard De La Rosa yelling at the children inside the house. He suspected abuse but never called authorities.

“I didn't want them to take away the little kids, especially the little girl, because I would have felt bad,” he said. “Now that this has happened, I should've just done it. I feel bad for not knowing.”http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/61395027.html

The whole situation is a cluster fuck. The teen parents, the "grandma", the cops, the neighbors, everyone.

[SickenEd]

Just absolutely breaks my heart that someone can be so cold and callous as to hit a baby. Look at that sweet angel. I would have taken her no questions asked.

R.I.P. Sweet baby Jayda.

[thequeenofsorrow]

Really? After this you still wouldnt call cps?


The neighbor also said that the couple was acting strangely before Jayda was found.

"I saw them in and out (of the house)," the man said. "A lot of commotion."

A woman who identified herself as a neighbor said that Jayda's mother neglected the baby.

"She didn't have bottles for her. She would come ask for bottles. (But) I don't have kids and I don't have bottles," the woman said.

http://www.ksat.com/news/21104660/detail.html

[jus shaking my head]

"Boy Genius" was trying to cover himself ahead of time with his note.

Prior to De La Rosa's arrest, a man claiming to be the child's father left a note for the media outside his door stating Jada was alive when she was dropped off at the fire station.


He looks like a couple of beetles are on where his eyebrows should be in the first picture.

[Zsu Zsu's Petals]

Rodriguez, the neighbor, said he sometimes heard De La Rosa yelling at the children inside the house. He suspected abuse but never called authorities.

“I didn't want them to take away the little kids, especially the little girl, because I would have felt bad,” he said. “Now that this has happened, I should've just done it. I feel bad for not knowing.”

I know it's preaching to the choir here, but people, if you suspect child abuse, pick up the damn phone and make a call.

Shit, Gladys Kravitz gave all observant neighbors a bad name. :argh:

[carolinablue]

at least his outside is as hateful and ugly as his inside.

[Jessiesgirl1108]

Rodriguez, the neighbor, said he sometimes heard De La Rosa yelling at the children inside the house. He suspected abuse but never called authorities.

“I didn't want them to take away the little kids, especially the little girl, because I would have felt bad,” he said. “Now that this has happened, I should've just done it. I feel bad for not knowing.”

Ok, this guy makes no sense what so ever. He suspected abused but didn't call cause he would feel bad if they took the little girl away...so let's just leave her to get abused cause that shouldn't make you feel as bad...WTF?!?!?!:confused2:

[scorpiogirl]

A 16-year-old girl whose infant daughter was found dead in front of a West Side fire station this week was arrested Thursday night and charged with injury to a child by omission, officials said.

David Reilly, chief of the Bexar County Juvenile Probation Department, said Julie Navejar is in custody at the juvenile detention center.

Navejar told police that she and the baby girl's father, Ramiro De La Rosa, left 7-week-old Jada De La Rosa in front of the fire station after the child had stopped breathing.

“The D.A.'s office is going to review (the girl's charge) and decide how to charge her,” Reilly said.

Ramiro De La Rosa was arrested on Wednesday and charged with injury to a child after he admitted to police that he had choked and slapped the baby.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/Mom_charged_in_connection_with_babys_death.html

[paranoiaqueen]

This is my first post, so bear with me. I just wonder why the neighbors always come out of the woodworks after something bad happens. They knew the parents were drug addicts. I hope they had made reports to CPS and didnt come out just after the fact to get their faces on the evening news. I dont understand why the families of these little babies dont try to help them either. Im sorry, Im so sickened by these stories. I just know that little Jada is in heaven now. Her suffering has ended. Time to see her parents suffer.

[Silvahalo]

This is my first post, so bear with me. I just wonder why the neighbors always come out of the woodworks after something bad happens. They knew the parents were drug addicts. I hope they had made reports to CPS and didnt come out just after the fact to get their faces on the evening news. I dont understand why the families of these little babies dont try to help them either. Im sorry, Im so sickened by these stories. I just know that little Jada is in heaven now. Her suffering has ended. Time to see her parents suffer.
Paranoiaqueen, excellent points and welcome!....outta thanks, so thanks!

[sheevaa]

Hi Paranoiaqueen! :)

On to the matter at hand:


In the current case, Eloisa Mata said her teenage daughter was taking the situation “very hard.”

“We're going to try and get (the boy) back,” she said.

Yet Mata could not explain how her daughter's lifestyle had spiraled into such a deplorable state at such a young age.

Mata was living with her daughter in a dilapidated house in the 1800 block of North Navidad when Jada was born Aug. 4.

But Mata moved out two weeks later, taking the key to the place and leaving her daughter behind, according to the landlord, who asked not to be identified out of fear of retaliation.

I don't give a shit what the "poor parents" situations were leading up to this asshattery. Once you are a parent, it's not about YOU anymore. You wanna be a selfish, fucktard meth-head? Don't have kids. Get on birth control and use condoms. It's so easy a caveman could do it.

This also particularly disgusted me:


The baby's mother, a 16-year-old high school dropout, relentlessly knocked at neighbors' doors and begged for money, once seeming disappointed when she received diapers instead, another neighbor said.

I've known people like that. Please help me feed my children, they're so hungry! Then get pissed off when you give them a couple cans of soup or something. Quit pimping your kids for your addictions, you asshats!

[AussieMum]

Now little Jada is 7 weeks old??

Anyhow, however old, how could this prick of a father slap her repeatedly!!! Asshole!!! And her little feet had burns!!! Makes me so angry!!!

Poor little darling, I'm sure she is flying happily with the angels now and can feel the love she should have felt with her parents.

[Kimberix]

“I didn't want them to take away the little kids, especially the little girl, because I would have felt bad,” he said. “Now that this has happened, I should've just done it. I feel bad for not knowing.”


are you kidding me? This guy actually said that? oh my fucking god, child abuse is not new news to me neither are asshole baby beaters but I am always so fucking surprised when I see some one that fucking stupid. just jesus god.



In the current case, Eloisa Mata said her teenage daughter was taking the situation “very hard.”

“We're going to try and get (the boy) back,” she said.

much like this ....jesus is this whole fucking town just a bunch of drug addicts or something? I mean these peoples way of thinking is just fucked up.

[Chaindrive]

Hopefully "the boy" won't be anywhere NEAR his mom or grandma.

Gimme a break.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Less than 48 hours before Jada De La Rosa was found dead outside a fire station last month, the newborn's teen parents received a visitor at their dilapidated West Side home.

It was their heroin supplier, the mother would later tell a Child Protective Services investigator, according to testimony during a custody hearing Wednesday for the couple's other child.

At the end of the hearing, Judge Charles Montemayor granted temporary custody of the 13-month-old boy to CPS.

“Julie Navejar (the children's mother) stated that she had been using heroin for approximately the past year,” said investigator Michael Good. “She started using heroin shortly after (Jada's older brother) was born in August 2008.”

She and Ramiro De La Rosa, 18, snorted the narcotic together after the dealer arrived on Sept. 21, she told the investigator. Their 7-week-old daughter was found outside the station in the early morning hours of Sept. 23.
[...]

According to testimony, Navejar also told investigators that her boyfriend had slapped Jada the night before she was found dead.

“Julie stated that Ramiro would get really mad when Jada would cry,” Good said. “They had been trying to stop using heroin, and the circumstance of them trying to quit made (his temper) worse.”

After the discovery of Jada's body outside the West Side firehouse, Jada's brother was taken to Christus Santa Rosa Children's Hospital, where case workers noted scratches above his right eye, a bruise over his left eye, a marking on his neck, diaper rash and numerous bug bites. Also, investigators said, the boy appeared unable to stand on his own and could not eat solid foods.

“He was brought two or three cartons of milk by hospital staff and he drank the milk as fast as he could,” Good said.

CPS investigator Linda Taylor-Hill said she asked the mother why the child wasn't yet eating solids and was told it was because they didn't have a refrigerator in the home.

These days, Taylor-Hill said, the 13-month old is “doing really well.”

Watching the proceedings through a closed-circuit television screen, Ramiro De La Rosa sat in a detention cell at the Bexar County Jail with his hands folded over his stomach — his image projected onto a large television in the courtroom.

“Um, I'm not sure,” he responded when asked when the children were born.

The father revealed little during brief questioning Wednesday. He ducked many of the questions by asserting his Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate himself. Navejar did not attend, remotely or otherwise.http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/63726572.html

[Bay]

Her mother wants a new lease on life, but the justice system decided Friday that she'll have to wait a little longer to learn if she's criminally linked to her own daughter's death and if she should get her one-year-old son back.

Julie Navejar is charged with injury to a child by omission in connection with the death of her seven-week-old baby daughter, Jada de la Rosa. Navejar has juvenile custody since late September.

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A juvenile court judge ruled Friday that Navejar will remain in jail until her competency hearing on Nov. 22.

She and her boyfriend, Ramiro de la Rosa, 16, dropped their daughter off in front of a west-side fire station after the child stopped breathing on Sept. 23. An arrest warrant says the 18-year-old dad had abused the infant in the days before Jada's death.

Ramiro has been charged with injury to a child, and he remains in a Bexar County detention center on a $1 million bond.

No one has been charged yet in the baby's murder. The autopsy results to determine the cause of the child's death have not been made public.

The young mother reportedly admitted she and the baby's father abused heroin. Her surviving son was also allegedly neglected.

If released, the Navejar is supposed to seek drug treatment. But that doesn't gurantee that a family court will give her one-year-old son back. He remains in CPS custody.

The state must also decide if they want to try Navejar as an adult in this case

http://www.kens5.com/news/stories/KENS20091023-Baby-Jada-Trial.24497b95e.html

[truckermo]

This whole story makes me more than just ill and feeling mean myself, but toward the adults in this situation. This poor little girl died, and what little life she had was worse than anything we could even begin to imagine. While they determine if mom will be charged or not, what to do with dad, etc, etc, etc.... I would love to see everyone charged, fried, and forgotten.
Months from now this little boy will be overlooked, it won't be about his rights, it will be about his mothers, or his family. Gee, Grandma wants to see if they can get him. Sorry, but I fail to believe that since mom started the drugs right after the boy was born, Grandma never knew a thing was wrong. Also, if mom started the drugs right after he was born, how was this little girl not born with them in her system and why wasn't that fact picked up in the hospital? Has it become standard procedure to ship addicted babies out with their addicted parents?
The neighbors can all fry in hell too. They heard these precious babies cry, they knew their situation, and nobody called in not even one report? People make me so sick some days that there just aren't words for it. These children suffer greatly behind this veil of silence and ignorance that we love so much to claim. How long will it be before we see these little people, I mean really look them in their eyes and hold all of ourselves accountable, see that they have rights.
It all makes my blood just boil. In my home as a child, the dog was removed due to the bad living conditions before myself and my siblings were. I can't tell you how many adults we came into contact with, and Nobody had the balls to report anything. Guess what? The dog was forcibly removed but we weren't, good ol mom had to voluntarily request a court hearing to give us up and only did it because we, as children insisted on it. Today, animals still have more rights than children. Yep, I'm crying and I'm pissed now.

[skeptik]

I don't think they just randomly test placentas. Especially not if you're on medicaid and ya'll know these two were. There must be suspicion.

The sad part, to me, is that I believe Tx medicaid covers Suboxone. They could have gotten clean. They chose not too. They are trainwrecks.

On another note, I believe that many people hesitate to call CPS because they worry about retaliation. It's probably not too difficult to suss out who reported you.

[Misskittychaos]

Classy. While I am very sad Jada died...who knows what other things she would have been subjected to had she lived longer. These two need to be slapped around by the law, I pray the older child is never returned to their "care".

[badfish76]

The mother needs to be certified as an adult and sent to prison with the dad.

The grandma needs to go to hell for not noticing SOMETHING was wrong with the baby, her daughter or the boyfriend.

And none of them never need to see the other baby again either. Their parental rights need to be taken away.

[this is going badly]

This mother was taking the baby around the neighborhood and begging for money so she could by drugs for herself and her baby slapping husband. One the baby was dead they had no use for her.

Dumping the baby off at the fire Station was pretty smart, it's a good thing the two crap bags didn't get away with it.

I did not find a trial date for either.

SAN ANTONIO -- A 16-year-old mother has been charged in connection with the death of her 7-week-old daughter who was found dead in front of a fire station.

The girl was charged with injury to a child by omission. She appeared in juvenile court Friday and was ordered by a judge to remain in custody until a hearing Oct. 9.

District Judge Carmen Kelsey told the girl and her mother that she needed to be detained because she could be a danger to herself or others if she was released.

"We just want to make sure all children are safe, whether they're babies or children having babies," said Ellen Wheeler Walter, a prosecutor in the Bexar County District Attorney's Office.

The baby's father, Ramiro De La Rosa, was charged with injury to a child and was being held the Bexar County Jail in lieu of $100,000 bond.

De La Rosa, 18, admitted to police that he often hit his daughter because he was frustrated that she wouldn't stop crying, an arrest affidavit stated.

The child was found in a car seat in front of Fire Station No. 10 in the 1100 block of Culebra Road at around 7 a.m. Wednesday.

According to the affidavit, De La Rosa and the child's mother dropped off the baby because she wasn't breathing.

[AussieMum]

This poor little girl probably cried a lot because she was withdrawing from heroin!!!! Stupid fucks!!!

[MadeaBecBec]

The teenage mother of a bruised and malnourished baby found dead outside a San Antonio fire station last year will be tried as an adult.

Juvenile court Judge Carmen Kelsey ruled Friday that 16-year-old Julie Navejar will face a second-degree felony charge of injury to a child by omission. If convicted, Navejar could face up to 20 years in prison.

Her bond was set Friday at $100,000.

Defense attorney Raymond De Leon said his client did not seek immediate help for 7-week-old Jayda De La Rosa because Navejar was poor and unsophisticated.


San Antonio homicide Detective Jesse Salame testified Friday that the baby was gaunt with sunken eyes and had bruising and burns on her face. The baby was a missing a layer of skin on both feet and had severe diaper rash, Salame said. Her right index finger was black, a possible burn.

Salame said Navejar told police that Jayda lived a "solitary life" in which she was "alone in the bouncer or the stroller most of the time and nobody really paid attention to her."

The Bexar County medical examiner's office determined her cause of death was "cocaine toxicity combined with starvation resulting in terminal pneumonia," according to the detective.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D9D4FI7G1.html

So Sorry Jayda, so very sorry, you were born to cruel and selfish humans. God rocks you gently and lovingly, I know and I am grateful for that!

[crickett]

I'm glad that they're trying "mom" as an adult. This is an adult crime, it deserves adult time.
Poor little angel didn't stand a chance. Cocaine....damm....

[MC30]

"cocaine toxicity combined with starvation resulting in terminal pneumonia,"

im not the brightest crayon sometimes...so they gave the baby cocaine? 'cause cocaine is cheaper than formula..right?
if im off the mark please tell me 'cause that makes no sense to me. it almost sounds as though someone just wanted the baby dead.

[Marv]

San Antonio homicide Detective Jesse Salame testified Friday that the baby was gaunt with sunken eyes and had bruising and burns on her face. The baby was a missing a layer of skin on both feet and had severe diaper rash, Salame said. Her right index finger was black, a possible burn.

Salame said Navejar told police that Jayda lived a "solitary life" in which she was "alone in the bouncer or the stroller most of the time and nobody really paid attention to her."


I think my heart just broke.

[Silvahalo]

I think my heart just broke.

I know mine is sick and broken. There is always more details, those we usually never read on. These people deserve death. Yeah, it's getting a lot more appealing. Hey no cost to the people, just keep it simple, get a rope hang their POS asses in a field, after their feet have been burned. Walk away and forget about them.

So sorry baby Jayda, I would have loved and adored you every moment of your life.

[Misskittychaos]

It wasn't enough to abuse her, neglect her, starve her they had to dope her up too? Poor baby Jada should have been cuddled and loved not all this shit. I hope those clowns who call themselves parents get their own form of love and care in jail...sick bastards!

[TheDepressor]

Quote:
"San Antonio homicide Detective Jesse Salame testified Friday that the baby was gaunt with sunken eyes and had bruising and burns on her face. The baby was a missing a layer of skin on both feet and had severe diaper rash, Salame said. Her right index finger was black, a possible burn.

Salame said Navejar told police that Jayda lived a "solitary life" in which she was "alone in the bouncer or the stroller most of the time and nobody really paid attention to her."

The Bexar County medical examiner's office determined her cause of death was "cocaine toxicity combined with starvation resulting in terminal pneumonia," according to the detective."

This whole case made my heart break, but the part about this baby living a solitary life..ignored, abused, and neglected, has made me feel very depressed :tsk2:

[coffee achiever]

I imagine that baby was born addicted and they gave her the cocaine to keep her quiet. I thought initially that perhaps mom was using and breastfeeding her, but it sounds now like she wasn't being fed much of anything.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Julie Ann Navejar was certified as an adult. Today she was set to do a plea bargain when a snag was hit:

http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/20110909-15.jpg
Just as Julie Navejar was about to plead no contest to charges of injury to a child by omission, the hearing came to an abrupt halt.

Judge Carmen Kelsey questioned whether the charge was a first- or a second-degree felony.

Navejar's attorney said his understanding was that it was a second-degree felony.

Navejar's plea bargain called for a plea to a second-degree felony and a maximum sentence of 12 years.
[...]

De la Rosa remains jailed awaiting trial.

Navejar's hearing will continue on Monday.http://www.ksat.com/news/29134540/detail.html

[Nell]

Oh she looks sad! I feel terrible.

Not.

[ineedanap]

The Bexar County medical examiner's office determined her cause of death was "cocaine toxicity combined with starvation resulting in terminal pneumonia," according to the detective."

Holy fuck. And wtf?

[Tundratot]

This is the first time I've read this thread. It's a crying shame that the two bone bags couldn't muster up the sense to take both those babies to the fire station before they managed to kill one or both. I'm somewhat mad at grandma, too, for not making the suggestion. When she left that situation, she had to know that things were going badly and that those babies weren't doing well. Instead of looking out for their interests, she left them with her wasted daughter to suffer whatever might come. Obviously not a very clear thinker herself.

[Misskittychaos]

@ Nell I thought she looked a little irked/put out.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/20110913-03.jpg http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/20110913-04.jpg
A teen heroin addict who left her gaunt, bruised and already-dead infant wrapped in a pink blanket in front of a San Antonio fire station two years ago opted Monday to avoid a trial, instead pleading no contest to injury to a child by omission.

Julie Navejar, who turned 18 last month, wore a red Bexar County Jail jumpsuit with handcuffs shackled to a chain wrapped around her waist as she stood before state District Judge Carmen Kelsey, answering questions with “Yes, ma'am.”

In exchange for her plea, prosecutors have agreed to ask for no more than 12 years in prison when she is sentenced by the judge in November. She has applied for deferred adjudication probation.

Navejar was 15 when she gave birth to Jayda De La Rosa and had just turned 16 when emergency responders found the dead 7-week-old. She was certified last year to stand trial as an adult.
[...]

Navejar told police she had been using heroin for about a year, since shortly after her first child was born, and that she never wanted the baby to begin with. She knew De La Rosa would hit the child, she said, adding that she also realized she didn't feed or care for the child like she should have.

But Navejar was a victim of abuse as well, defense attorney Raymond De Leon said after the hearing, describing his client as a “sweet girl” who has had a lot of time to reflect.

“She was under (De La Rosa's) thumb,” De Leon said. “He was shooting her up with heroin, beating her, had her walking the streets” to prostitute herself.

It's unfortunate, De Leon said, that neither her parents nor the school system stepped in to intervene.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/18-year-old-takes-deal-in-baby-s-death-2167316.php

[Nell]

Yay! She will get out in time to breed again. Hopefully she wants the next one and remembers to feed it.

I am sick of so called moms using the abuse excuse. As if it is ok to let your infant be beat to death cause you was ascared! And the whores always get to leave the house or have a phone, so you know they just chose not to get help.

[Silvahalo]

In the arms of the angels far away from here. . .
Baby Jayda you will not want for love ever again. . .in the heaven's always.
http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s341/silvahalo68/Fallen angels/FallenAngels2/faddefc7.jpg

[Dakota Valkyrie]

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Almost three years after her 6-week old baby girl was left dead at the front door of a west San Antonio fire station, a mother is headed to prison. Julie Navejar, now 18, was given a 12 year sentence by Judge Carmen Kelsey.
[...]

Navejar's attorney asked Judge Kelsey for probation or a light sentence, noting the teen also suffered at the hands of De La Rosa. Raymond Deleon said De La Rosa injected Julie with heroin and forced her to prostitute. The judge disagreed with his request telling the teen mother she had plenty of opportunities to take baby Jayda to a safe place.

"A child has suffered for six weeks. People who get the death penalty in this state don't suffer that long. What you did is deplorable," Judge Kelsey told Navejar before sentencing her.http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_9536.shtml


Julie Navejar, now 18, wept as she stood shackled before state District Judge Carmen Kelsey in a red jail jumpsuit during the punishment hearing and asked for probation.

“I somehow wish I could go back in time and start over again,” she said, adding that she has matured during the time she has been incarcerated and now wants to counsel other teen drug addicts. “I'm sorry. I just lost my way. ... I'm not the same person anymore.”
[...]

Prosecutors opposed Navejar's probation request. Instead of taking care of her baby, Navejar chose to spend $20 per day on cocaine, $40 per day on heroin and smoke marijuana four times per week, prosecutor Carla Riedl said.

“Because of not wanting (Jayda), she didn't take care of her,” Riedl said. “She chose to act like an adult and have a baby. If she wanted to act like an adult, she should be treated like an adult.”

Kelsey agreed that probation was unacceptable given the facts of the case and went a step further, expressing strong reservations about approving a plea agreement in which Navejar wasn't charged with murder.

“What you did is deplorable,” Kelsey said, pointing out that Navejar didn't once mention her baby's name while apologizing to the court. “I hope my conscience doesn't eat me alive for following this.”
[...]http://www.chron.com/news/local_news/article/Mother-who-abandoned-dead-baby-gets-12-years-3412445.php

[Tundratot]

Excellent commentary by Riedl and Kelsey.