Is FBI Digging for Hoffa in Detroit?

[Whisper]

This is the same ranch area they dig up 2006 looking for Hoffas body.In Aug the owners son found and turned in a antique war era gun long rumored to be the murder weapon used in the Hoffa case.Police are pissed that the news caught wind of this but the FBI wasnt very quiet about erecting fences and spending last 2 weeks readying everything for the dig.DETROIT (WXYZ)
- The FBI is digging at a site on Detroit's west side. Agents are conducting an investigation, but it is not known what they are searching for. The most obvious question is... are they looking for Jimmy Hoffa?

Digging is being done near Tireman and Colfax and Cadaver dogs are on the scene. When Action News reporter Mary Conway asked an FBI spokesperson if they were searching for Hoffa, there was a pause and then the answer "no comment."

The FBI says they cannot talk about the investigation because the details are part of a sealed search warrant.

A fence was put up over the weekend to try to keep the dig secret. Neighbors even say the feds have been preparing for this search for a couple of weeks.

Heavy equipment is being used for the dig, and dumpsters are being filled with debris.

Investigators are carrying white binders that say "Big Dig 2." In 2006, a search for Hoffa at a farm in Milford was commonly referred to as the "Big Dig."

On another interesting note, this federal investigation and dig is taking place on the same day a new book was released on Hoffa's disappearance.

The book suggests that Hoffa was killed and cremated at a cemetery on Woodward.

Jimmy Hoffa disappeared back in 1975.
http://www.wxyz.com/news/story/Breaking-Is-FBI-Digging-for-Hoffa-in-Detroit/Fo44poqS-UKCVXrJ6RYBLA.cspx
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[biteme]

did the union hire non union to do the work?

[ineedanap]

Don't we have recently missing people still to find? Why would the FBI be wasting resources at this time to look for a person who has been missing for almost 35 years and is very likely dead?

I think I can answer my own question. Because the FBI has a hard on for the mafia and this has turned into a big ole pissing match. GMAFB.

[Whisper]

I think b/c they have been shown to be idiots over the yrs digging up parking lots in New York City (although that dog resulted in 2-3 mafia bodies showing up).They have been digging and knocking crap down for decades and they will most likely never find him anyplace.Living so close over the years I have heard,he was ground up and put into hotdogs at a plant,cremated during the night at a funeral home on Wood ward avenue etc,etc,They will go on forever just like people who see Elvis having lunch with Andy Kaufman from Taxi who said that he would disappear for 25 yrs and come back.People actually rented halls and had parties and hardcore believers waited and are still waiting.

[shamrocker]

Don't you know the mafia gets a good chuckle out of these digs? When the mafia gets bored, they likely throw a bone at the F.B.I. and laugh their asses off while they watch them dig holes for a month or two. It would be nice if the F.B.I. would explain to the taxpayers why they continue to spend our money on this nonsense. They just need to admit the mafia out-smarted them on this one... get over it!
:yield:

[Whisper]

You know they are~!~!Just having lived in the area most of my life its amazing but every couple of yrs like you said they throw them a bone and boy do they dig on it!!I mean how did the FBI expect to hide heavy construction equipment,erect a huge fence and deny they were going to be there long all the while a friggen truck load of porta pottys pulled up behind while they were denying it all lol

[Whisper]

Heavy-duty Digging Continues TuesdayDETROIT (WXYZ) -
For a second straight day the FBI is digging at a site on Detroit's west side. Agents are conducting an investigation, but it is not known what they are searching for.
Authorities are keeping a close watch on the old lumberyard at Tireman and Colfax, making sure no one tampers with the dig site.

On Monday, search dogs were brought in and heavy equipment began clearing out trees and tires. Sources say the search is in connection with a homicide case that Detroit Police and the FBI have been working on for eight months. Companies brought in to help dig have been hired through Thursday to search the location.

Nearby business owners say investigators recently started snooping around, then put up a fence with a tarp over it to maintain secrecy.

Federal agents won't say who or what they're looking for.

This new dig has sparked speculation that the Feds may be looking for the former Teamster's President Jimmy Hoffa.

Investigators at the scene were seen carrying binders that said "Big Dig 2" during Monday's search.

Three years ago, in another search shrouded in secrecy, agents dug up the Hidden Dreams horse farm in Milford Township looking for Hoffa. At the time agents called that search the "Big Dig."

Two of the same companies hired for the search in 2006--Able Demolition and Sterling Top Soil, both out of Macomb County--have also been brought in for this one.

The author of a a new book regarding the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa says it's just a coincidence, and he says Hoffa is not buried in the old lumberyard, but was cremated at the Evergreen Cemetery in Detroit.http://www.wxyz.com/news/story/Heavy-duty-Digging-Continues-Tuesday/Fo44poqS-UKCVXrJ6RYBLA.cspx http://i30.tinypic.com/33k89e1.jpg http://i30.tinypic.com/2vb0oz9.jpg

[Whisper]

Cover was blown few minutes ago,first dog was called "The Big Dig" and binders caught on tape by reporters are labelled "Big Dig 2".So FBI agent sometimes arent the brightest are they??Trying to deny everything all the while carrying labelled binders that are a dead give away!!They will never find him ,all the death bed confessions have turned out to be wild goose chases.

[Whisper]

If this is true Im going to start charging $5.00 everytime someone comes to visit b/c I can now bestow the site of Hoffas grave from my front yard
Also Im not sure the years add up b.c Im sure RENCEN was up already when he disappeared
I still think he ended up as McDonalds Hamburgs

Hoffa's driver claims boss was buried at Renaissance
Claim made in book 'The Weasel: A Double Life in the Mob'

Former Teamsters leader Jimmy Hoffa, who went missing in 1975, was buried in the Renaissance Center during the building's construction, according to Hoffa's former driver.

It's a mystery that has lasted for decades and there have been several theories on Hoffa's mysterious disappearance.

This latest claim comes from Marvin Elkin, who acted as a chauffeur for Hoffa. Elkin makes the claim in the book, "The Weasel: A Double Life in the Mob," authored by Canadian journalist Adrian Humphreys.
The former driver said in the rush to get rid of Hoffa's body, Detroit mobsters called in union carpenters to hurry up the construction of the Renaissance Center's foundation where they dumped the body in wet concrete.

Hoffa was last seen July 30, 1975 at Machus Red Fox Restaurant in Bloomfield Township. He was expecting to meet with Anthony Giacalone and Anthony Provenzano at the restaurant.

Elkin said this revelation came during a Teamsters conference in 1985 in Detroit, 10 years after Hoffa disappeared while on his way to meet Giacalone and Provenzano.
[...]http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Hoffa-s-driver-claims-boss-was-buried-at-Renaissance/-/1719418/7020020/-/fqx78lz/-/index.html

[Whisper]

Also Im not sure the years add up b.c Im sure RENCEN was up already when he disappeared
I still think he ended up as McDonalds Hamburgs

I checked years do match up
the day he went missing they were pouring the concrete foundation to build the RENCEN

[Whisper]

Reported Detroit Mob Capo Dies, May Take Hoffa Secret With Him

One of metro Detroit’s most notorious alleged mobsters is being laid to rest with a memorial service at 10 a.m. Tuesday at St. Thecla Catholic Church in Clinton Township.

Vito “Billy Jack” Giacalone, of Clinton Township, died Sunday of natural causes. The alleged Detroit mob captain was 88.

Many believe he could have taken the secret of where Jimmy Hoffa is buried with him.

Hoffa, the former head of the Teamsters who was trying to reassert control, told a relative on the day he disappeared that he was meeting Anthony Giacalone, Vito Giacalone’s brother, at the Machus Red Fox restaurant in Bloomfield Township.

Hoffa was never seen again.



Reported mob captain Anthony “Tony Jack” Giacalone, died of cancer in 2001 while awaiting trial on 14 criminal charges, including racketeering, conspiracy and extortion. Anthony Giacalone was questioned numerous times by investigators, but was never charged in Hoffa’s disappearance and presumed death.

“The mystery of his (Hoffa’s) fate has produced a wealth of speculation. Many people believe that Mr. Giacalone held a key and carried it to his grave,” according to the New York Times at the time of Anthony Giacalone’s death.

Could Anthony Giacalone have shared the secret with his brother? They were reportedly closely tied together in the mob business.

“He was the only primary Detroit mob member unaccounted for on the afternoon of Hoffa’s passing,” said local mob expert and author Scott Burnstein. “He lost his surveillance in the morning and wasn’t picked up again until the evening…The FBI believes he’s one of the handful of people who had first-hand knowledge of the Hoffa assasination.”

Vito Giacalone was released from prison in July 2004, after serving time on a racketeering conviction. Vito Giacalone also served three years in the early 1990s after being convicted of hiding $410,000 from the IRS.

The Giacalones were snared by a massive FBI investigation that began in 1979 with the goal of “driving a stake into the heart of the mob in Detroit.” The Detroit News reported the FBI investigated for 17 years before bringing indictments in 1996 against the Giacalones; Jack W. Tocco, the convicted boss; Nove Tocco; Anthony Corrado and his nephew, Paul Corrado; and Anthony Zerilli.
[...]http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/02/21/reported-detroit-mob-capo-dies-may-take-hoffa-secret-with-him/


I wave to Jimmy every morning on my run,hes in the foundation of GM Headquaters/RenCen building

[Pete Bondurant]

They shouldn't bother digging this one up....they need to bury his fucking communist son.

[Whisper]

Police to dig for Jimmy Hoffa at Roseville home

Roseville police received tip from man who said Jimmy Hoffa's body could be buried in backyard at Roseville home
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Police-to-dig-for-Jimmy-Hoffa-at-Roseville-home/-/1719418/16751644/-/17j5/-/index.html

man dying of cancer confesses he saw body being buried there

[AngelFire]

Why do these folks care anymore? Dude is fertilizer already.

[malq]

Why do these folks care anymore? Dude is fertilizer already.
It's like DB cooper, we have to know.

[Abroad]

Why do these folks care anymore? Dude is fertilizer already.

For the same reason they went looking for (and probably found!) Richard III in the UK recently. Mysteries intrigue us.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-19615929

[Whisper]

It's like DB cooper, we have to know.

we may know by Monday night they were saying it could be that early
I dont think hes there.
Id like if he was for his familys sake but the one part that grabs me is the spot where the old man said he saw him buried...there is something there...thats the only reason they are digging there
And they said over the weekend that house was used for illegal gambling and activities around that time and neighbors all said same thing
I dont think its him but hey hes got to be someplace right??
Maybe thats a diff body there and a family will get some closure on their missing loved one
I remember this because I was a little kid living so close and he disappeared on my birthday

[Abroad]

For the same reason they went looking for (and probably found!) Richard III in the UK recently. Mysteries intrigue us.

There are even articles with impact statements (not of the murder, but of the possible find!) from his descendents.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19731622


Softly spoken and bespectacled, Mr Ibsen is a far cry from the man who, depending on opinion, was a hunchbacked child killer or noble king hacked down during a heroic last battle.

"I was thinking about that the other day," he said. "Here am I in a peaceful time in a cabinet-making shop, when Richard died amidst this incredibly violent landscape.

"It is a strange juxtaposition, really.

"I think I got the better end of the deal: I can go out to lunch in Archway and no one tries to chop my head off," Mr Ibsen said.


I am still more amazed that they could actually trace the murdered king's descendents. And that they were not all exterminated by the winners!

[AngelFire]

When I die I am going to ask someone to hide my remains and have my family look for me. Sort of like a Weekend at Bernie's Scavenger Hunt.

[Whisper]

According to the news they have the results and will release them in a news conference tomorrow morning

[Whisper]

ROSEVILLE, Mich. (AP) - Authorities say the soil samples taken from beneath a Roseville driveway have tested negative for human remains.

[...]
On Monday, two experts at Michigan State University examined soil samples removed from under a driveway in Roseville in the latest effort to find Hoffa. He was last seen in 1975 outside a restaurant in Oakland County.

Roseville police issued this statement about the results:


"Our department just received the soil sample report from Michigan State University, after a battery of tests; the samples submitted for examination showed no signs of human decomposition. As a result of these tests the Roseville Police Department will be concluding there investigation into the possible interment of a human body upon the property. http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/is-it-hoffa-test-results-expected-tuesday-in-roseville-driveway-dig#ixzz28CfUwsRG

[Whisper]

A big development in the Hoffa case
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/A-big-development-in-the-Hoffa-case/-/1719418/18116886/-/a6nhh9/-/index.html

[Whisper]

Jimmy Hoffa: Mobster Tony Zerilli says he Knows Where He’s Buried

FOXNews.com) -

An aging mobster who was once a high-ranking member of Detroit's La Cosa Nostra organized crime family reportedly knows where labor union leader Jimmy Hoffa is buried.

NBC 4 New York reports that Tony Zerilli, 85, said Hoffa was buried in a field in suburban Detroit, about 20 miles north of the restaurant where he was last seen in July 1975.

"All this speculation about where he is and he's not," Zerilli told the station. "They say he was in a meat grinder. It's all baloney."

Zerilli said Hoffa's final resting place is in a field in Michigan's northern Oakland County. He was buried in a shallow grave and the plan was to move the body at another time, but Hoffa's remains were never moved from the first spot where they were buried, he said.

"Once he was buried here, he was buried and they let it go," Zerilli said.

Former U.S. Attorney Keith Corbett, who prosecuted organized crime in Detroit for 20 years, said Detroit's Mafia families are related in addition to their sworn bonds. That's one reason the mystery of what happened to Hoffa has gone unsolved, he said.

"Organized crime was involved in the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa," Corbett said.

Hoffa said he was going to meet a suspected member of the Detroit Mafia and a Teamster boss from New Jersey at a restaurant in suburban Detroit when he disappeared in July 1975
[....]http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/20582597/jimmy-hoffa-mobster-knows-where-teamster-boss-is-buried

[Rockin Ma]

"They say he was in a meat grinder. It's all baloney."


:fisheye: It don't take much to amuse me!

[Valasca]

Search for Jimmy Hoffa's Remains Reveals... Chicken Wings
Though the search for the ultimate resting place of notorious teamster Jimmy Hoffa continues, one thing is now certain: His skeleton was not made of chicken wing bones.

Or something like that.

The FBI and a slew of interested parties gathered at Wexler's Tavern on State Road to tear down some walls and determine whether the skeletal remains found within were actually Hoffa's bones. The infamous labor union leader disappeared in 1975, but the final resting place of his body has remained a mystery for decades.

In all, 11 bones fragments were found and laid out in the shape of a human hand, according to photographs and video taken by WKYC. Here's some more context via the news station:


It goes back to Wexler's previous owner who discovered bones wrapped in red-butcher paper inside the wall 25 years ago during a renovation. After notifying police, the bar owner says police told him to discard the bones.

Recently, the tavern's new owner found a matchbook from the Palm Desert Lodge in California when cutting out a panel in the wall. The lodge was dubbed "the house Jimmy Hoffa and the Teamsters built."


The Cuyahoga County Medical Examiner's Office confirmed Thursday morning that they were not human bones. Speculation leads one to believe they were a formerly delicious order of barbecue wings. And Jimmy Hoffa is most definitely not a formerly delicious order of barbecue wings.
http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2013/04/25/search-for-jimmy-hoffas-remains-reveals-chicken-wings

How 'bout THAT one, Rockin Ma

[Whisper]

lol saw that on news couple days ago
because its so close that makes the big news everytime they find a hair

[biteme]

You'd think they'd have something better to do. The Feds are starting to remind me of Geraldo and Al Capone's vault


OAKLAND TOWNSHIP (WWJ) – Federal agents will begin digging up a field in Northern Oakland Township on Monday in hopes of finding the remains of Jimmy Hoffa.

The feds will begin digging on a property in northern Oakland County. The dig — the latest in what’s been nearly a 40-year search — is the result of extensive FBI interviews with a former mobster. Mafia underboss Tony Zerilli told WDIV-TV in an exclusive interview earlier this year that Hoffa was buried in a shallow grave on the property which is believed to be owned by a family with mob ties.http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/06/17/feds-digging-in-oakland-township-searching-for-hoffas-remains/

[Dakota Valkyrie]

You'd think they'd have something better to do. The Feds are starting to remind me of Geraldo and Al Capone's vault
When do we stop looking for missing people? Who decides which people are more important to locate than others? Just because we assume that someone is dead doesn't mean that we quit looking when a clue comes up. If a murder was committed, justice can still be served up. The loved ones of the missing view the situation far differently than the public but they deserve the closure no matter how long the time or twisted the journey.

Part of my taxes go to this effort. I may think it's a waste but will be damned glad they will keep looking if I or my loved ones disappears.

[biteme]

When do we stop looking for missing people? Who decides which people are more important to locate than others? Just because we assume that someone is dead doesn't mean that we quit looking when a clue comes up. If a murder was committed, justice can still be served up. The loved ones of the missing view the situation far differently than the public but they deserve the closure no matter how long the time or twisted the journey.

Part of my taxes go to this effort. I may think it's a waste but will be damned glad they will keep looking if I or my loved ones disappears.
Still remind me of reminds me of Geraldo and Al Capone's vault, I don't think this kind of effort has gone into finding anyone else
and it has gotten to the point of being comic, you don't usually have comics and late night host making jokes about finding other missing persons

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Still remind me of reminds me of Geraldo and Al Capone's vault, I don't think this kind of effort has gone into finding anyone else
and it has gotten to the point of being comic, you don't usually have comics and late night host making jokes about finding other missing persons
Most missing people are not already infamous at the time of their disappearance. Very few are about to testify to the US Senate when they disappear.

This kind of effort by LE goes into many missing persons cases when credible clues come up. They just don't get the national media attention because the case isn't "famous". In my area, when information surfaces, they still investigate Jacob Wetterling's disappearance and they still look for Jeanna Dale North's body even though Kyle Bell was convicted of her murder.

Media attention is far different than law enforcement attention.

[Whisper]

FBI just had a news conference to tell us they cant tell us anything
literally
right now they will be cutting the grass in a field and there are news people from all over covering them cutting grass

WATCH LIVE: Feds digging in Oakland Township for Jimmy Hoffa remains
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/watch-live-feds-digging-in-oakland-township-for-jimmy-hoffa-remains/-/1719314/20594630/-/wkka7lz/-/index.html

[biteme]

Most missing people are not already infamous at the time of their disappearance. Very few are about to testify to the US Senate when they disappear.

This kind of effort by LE goes into many missing persons cases when credible clues come up. They just don't get the national media attention because the case isn't "famous". In my area, when information surfaces, they still investigate Jacob Wetterling's disappearance and they still look for Jeanna Dale North's body even though Kyle Bell was convicted of her murder.

Media attention is far different than law enforcement attention.

Well, they can forget about his testimony, I don't think they be getting it

[Whisper]

Well, they can forget about his testimony, I don't think they be getting it

FBI feel this is credible since it came from once 2nd in command mob boss Zerelli
apparently a confession in the book he wrote
and he owns the land they are digging on

[Whisper]

photo gallery

http://www.wxyz.com//gallery/news/news_photo_gallery/photo-gallery-feds-search-for-body-of-teamsters-boss-jimmy-hoffa-in-oakland-township

WATCH LIVE: Feds digging in Oakland Township for Jimmy Hoffa remains
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/watch-live-feds-digging-in-oakland-township-for-jimmy-hoffa-remains/-/1719314/20594630/-/wkka7lz/-/index.html

[Whisper]

according to mob expert in Detroit
Zerilli and a mobster Tocco have been in a feud ,,
both were raised and groomed to be mob boss of this area
Zerelli ended up in jail and bitter and now both are old men and Zerelli is freed they have been at each other and this info came out in book in Jan
so prob no body will be found but who knows

[Whisper]

For the first time in years, experts are taking Tony Zerilli seriously when he says he knows where Jimmy Hoffa is buried. This 85-year-old man who needs a walker to get around is the providing biggest break in over three decades in the case of Hoffa's disappearance.
Local 4 Defender Marc Santia sat down with Tony Zerilli who says, he knows where Hoffa is buried. "They came to me and they wanted to know what happened to Hoffa," said Zerilli.

When asked if he was involved in Hoffa's death Zerilli said, "Absolutely not, I know all about it I wasn’t involved no way shape or form."

Zerilli says Jimmy Hoffa was killed and buried at a property 20 miles from the old Machus Red Fox restaurant, a rural property with a house and a barn owned by Jack Tocco. Tocco was an alleged member of the Detroit mafia.

Property deeds show Jack Tocco owned property at time of Hoffa's death

Zerilli was never taken to the site but now with the help of a private eye property records were run against what he knows.

Zerilli says the location is Buell Road just east of Adams road, north of Orion Road in Oakland Township.

"He was put here I believe," said Zerilli. There is has no proof but, you can bet FBI agents
The FBI says not only was Zerilli in the mafia he was the Detroit underboss and is one of only two or three people on the planet still alive who are in a position to know what happened to the teamster boss.

But does Zerilli's story check out? Wednesday on Local 4 News at 6 The Defenders fact check Tony Zerilli's exclusive interview.
[,,,,]http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/investigations/Mob-boss-Tony-Zerilli-Hoffa-killed-buried-20-miles-from-where-he-disappeared/-/1719314/18150280/-/44ebff/-/index.html

supposebly beaten with baseball bat then buried alive

[TheMorningStar]

Beneath a swimming pool, under a horse farm and now a weed-grown field north of Detroit. For at least the third time in a decade, FBI agents grabbed shovels and combed through dirt and mud in the search for Jimmy Hoffa's remains or clues to the disappearance of the former Teamsters boss. Once again, the search was futile.


http://www.newsday.com/news/region-state/fbi-ends-michigan-search-for-hoffa-s-remains-1.5517989

[biteme]

http://www.newsday.com/news/region-state/fbi-ends-michigan-search-for-hoffa-s-remains-1.5517989

Was Geraldo there?

[TheMorningStar]

Was Geraldo there?
He was in the back giving someone a mustache ride.

[Azryhael]

supposebly beaten with baseball bat then buried alive

I heard on CNN that Zerilli claims Hoffa was whacked in the head with a shovel several times until he was semi-conscious and moaning on the ground, and then buried alive.

Regardless of what he got beaned with, being buried alive is an awful way to go, if that's indeed what happened.