Peta

[Tolo]

I don't know if this is the right section but I guess it can be moved!

Anyone, I am going to be doing a speech against PETA for my speech class and I need some ideas! I think there was PETA discussion on the old board but even if their isn't I'm sure people on here have some thoughts PETA. I have to persuade people in the changing of a policy and I am going to go with revoking PETA's non-profit status but I pretty much suck at life and need help. The only reason why I picked this topic was because there is this girl in my class and she is a PETA member and was going on and on about how great PETA was. I think I put my foot in my mouth! I need 8-15 sources and I haven't really done any research and I have to have some stuff done by 10:30AM today. :)

Anyway, what are your thoughts on PETA?

[swivel]

The first thing you need to know is that PETA kills animals. LOTS and LOTS of animals. http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ If you love animals, you can't love PETA.

What PETA usually concentrates on is anti-consumerism and anti-capitalism. They USE animals to further these ends. By attempting to stop much-needed medical research, they are trying to halt the progress of science and medicine. By protecting habitats, they attempt to stop the spread of humanity and the progress of our civil development. By guilt-tripping people who buy leather goods, furs, anything with by-products, they attempt to shame us out of our consumerist drive.

Some of these agendas have moments of correctness. When PETA is on the right side of the issue, but since they are disingenuous about their motivations, and since their methods are aggressive, abusive, grating and rude, they deserve no sympathy for their cause.

PETA also mocks the killing of millions of Jews with their "Holocaust on your plate" campaign. This was started to keep people from eating chicken. It borders on anti-semitic, and is dishonest. Those chickens were raised and fed due to the demand for the consumption of their meat. Were it not for this demand, they would never have existed. It would be like saying that Jews only existed for the pleasure of Germans to kill them. http://www.aim.org/guest_column/A1834_0_6_0_C/

PETA is a political organization, not an animal organization. Local pounds and humane societies do for animals what PETA pretends to do.

[brokenandtwisted]

The first thing you need to know is that PETA kills animals. LOTS and LOTS of animals. http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ If you love animals, you can't love PETA.

What PETA usually concentrates on is anti-consumerism and anti-capitalism. They USE animals to further these ends. By attempting to stop much-needed medical research, they are trying to halt the progress of science and medicine. By protecting habitats, they attempt to stop the spread of humanity and the progress of our civil development. By guilt-tripping people who buy leather goods, furs, anything with by-products, they attempt to shame us out of our consumerist drive.

Some of these agendas have moments of correctness. When PETA is on the right side of the issue, but since they are disingenuous about their motivations, and since their methods are aggressive, abusive, grating and rude, they deserve no sympathy for their cause.

PETA also mocks the killing of millions of Jews with their "Holocaust on your plate" campaign. This was started to keep people from eating chicken. It borders on anti-semitic, and is dishonest. Those chickens were raised and fed due to the demand for the consumption of their meat. Were it not for this demand, they would never have existed. It would be like saying that Jews only existed for the pleasure of Germans to kill them. http://www.aim.org/guest_column/A1834_0_6_0_C/

PETA is a political organization, not an animal organization. Local pounds and humane societies do for animals what PETA pretends to do.

I don't see anything that...well, 'convicts' for the lack of better words -- PETA on this site. Yes, they do keep dead animals in freezers...I thought this was common knowledge. They use the dead animals they find (usually mutilated, or from tests) for protesting...

All in all I dislike the organization. It gives a bad name to both vegetarians and vegans, as you clearly said -- PETA is political, not ethical.

[Tolo]

And they also support terrorism.

[Doc]

And they also support terrorism.

The biggest problem with Peta.

How did the talk go/did you find any good sources online? If so, link 'em!

[Tolo]

I bombed the fuck out of the speech. I'm pretty sure of it! I thought I had everything down and I totally started panicing in the speech because I keep screwing shit up and then I went over time...Every 30 seconds over is 2 points off and I went at least 2 minutes over.

I mainly used 3 sites but I think they are all assosicated with one another:

PETAKillsAnimals.com
ActivistCash.com
AnimalScam.com

[brokenandtwisted]

I bombed the fuck out of the speech. I'm pretty sure of it! I thought I had everything down and I totally started panicing in the speech because I keep screwing shit up and then I went over time...Every 30 seconds over is 2 points off and I went at least 2 minutes over.

Sorry to hear that...what were your main arguments?

[Tolo]

Shit! Let's just go with that.

It was a persuasive and we had to follow this format and we had to find some kind of policy we thought should be changed. I said their tax-emept status should be revoked. We had to follow the "Monroe's Motivated Sequence" or some shit like that and that's what killed me.

The body was 1. Information about PETA's activites 2. Why should the tax-exempt status be revoked 3. What you can do to get it done.

Pretty much every speech had this format and the problem I had was the delivery. Like I said, I total paniced and messed up the verbal citations and just general crap. I total wasn't into the topic at all and the professor wouldn't let me change because she said it was too late.

I'm not too worried about it. I have a great grade in the class and if I at least get 30-50/100 on the speech, I should be fine.

[Killroy]

Sorry to hear that, Tolo. Hopefully you still get a passing grade on it. Public speaking is a pain in the ass for some. Personally, I hate it. I occasionally have to get up in front of a group of people to explain the technical details of something, but that's not too bad as my manager always says "You know more than they do, so they don't know if you mess up or not", but to be taking a stance on something and having to talk about it in front of a crowd...well, I'd probably done the same as you. I am much better at that in one-on-one or on-line forum instances.

Now my direct boss, and his boss, they are pretty fucking good at public speaking. Even when arguing or if they are being "attacked" on a point or something. You never really appreciate the skill of public speaking until the day you are staring at 50+ people staring back at you waiting to hear what is about to come out of your mouth.

[Tolo]

I hate public speaking. I don't really have a problem when I am doing it if it is something I actually care about. I do great on all the other speeches because I picked subjects aI cared about, film. That was part of the problem with this speech. I really wasn't into it and I'm sure it reflected in the actual speech.

[AnalBreeze]

PETAs Great, I love lemon peper chicken PETAs..... ;)

[QuestionYourSanity]

PETAs Great, I love lemon peper chicken PETAs..... ;)

Pidas or petas?? :)

Some crazy info there swivel, all new to me... Cheers. Can't say i'm much of a fan of the group, though i do believe cruelty to animals is wrong. It will never stop me from eating meat, its just too damn good.

PETa - People for the eating of tasty animals.

[Athena]

Not to get away from the PETA issue...

You went at least 2 minutes over on an oratory? That's a rookie mistake, son...How long have you been in a speech class? :p

"Practice makes perfect" has never rung so true than in the context of structured public speaking. Do you compete, or are these just class exercises? Either way, stick with it. This stuff's good for you. :)

[Tolo]

Not to get away from the PETA issue...

You went at least 2 minutes over on an oratory? That's a rookie mistake, son...How long have you been in a speech class? :p

"Practice makes perfect" has never rung so true than in the context of structured public speaking. Do you compete, or are these just class exercises? Either way, stick with it. This stuff's good for you. :)

Well, I'm a rookie and I don't care. I got a B in the class and that's all that matters to me. :D

[Athena]

Well, I'm a rookie and I don't care. I got a B in the class and that's all that matters to me. :D

Well, that's unfortunate. We wonder what is wrong with the state of education when kids are openly admitting the grade is all that matters? *Sigh*... ;)

[CPL CHUD]

Well, that's unfortunate. We wonder what is wrong with the state of education when kids are openly admitting the grade is all that matters? *Sigh*... ;)

During my last semester all I cared about was passing. All of my classes were fluff that I had to do to get a diploma and none of them interested me in the least. Business accounting? Bah!

[Tolo]

Seriously, I didn't want to take the class and it was required. All I cared about was the grade. I couldn't care less about Monroe's Motivational Sequence or any of that other bullshit. I took the class to fulfill a requirement and that was that. If you've never done something like that, then give yourself a pat on the back.

[Athena]

Seriously, I didn't want to take the class and it was required. All I cared about was the grade. I couldn't care less about Monroe's Motivational Sequence or any of that other bullshit. I took the class to fulfill a requirement and that was that. If you've never done something like that, then give yourself a pat on the back.

Whoa, now...I was giving you a hard time, hence the ;) at the end of the post. No need to get defensive! :)

And I have done something like that. Senior year, I had to take a quarter of photography to fulfill a stupid art requirement. Flunked that bitch, too. Missed too many days. Had my diploma withheld until I volunteered for an art clinic for gifted students. It was gay.

[Tolo]

Art requirements own!

I wasn't trying to sound hostile. If I did, I guess I better work on my speaking skills. :p

[gprime]

And I have done something like that. Senior year, I had to take a quarter of photography to fulfill a stupid art requirement. Flunked that bitch, too. Missed too many days. Had my diploma withheld until I volunteered for an art clinic for gifted students. It was gay.

In college? That is just terrible. I took art freshman and sophmore years in high school to fulfill graduation requirements (yes, two full years were required), and I can't imagine having to ever do art again. It is the one "subject" I hate more than calculus-based math (love Stats though). The worst I have (that I've been made aware of prior to orientation, at least), is two semesters of PE. And even that, at the college level, is absurd.

[brokenandtwisted]

Speaking classes? What the heck? That's...odd. I've never heard of them. Are you into politics or something? Law?

[swivel]

Speaking classes? What the heck? That's...odd. I've never heard of them. Are you into politics or something? Law?

Obedience school. Last semester he learned "Sit", "Stay", and "Shake".

[Tolo]

swivel got it!