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Whisper
July 14th, 2009, 01:36 AM
June 25 2009
Saskatoon police are investigating a 100-year-old murder mystery using modern-day science.

"This is totally solvable," said Saskatoon forensic archeologist Ernie Walker.

"We just need a name and the right circumstances."

Human remains were found in the city in June by construction workers removing old underground gasoline tanks at a convenience store at the corner of 108th Street and Central Avenue. Work stopped when the crew came upon a human skull in an abandoned well.

Walker and other investigators have determined the remains are that of a healthy Caucasian woman, who was 5-foot-1 and 25 to 35 years old at the time of her death.

"Surprisingly, we know quite a bit about her," Walker said at a news conference held at the Western Development Museum in Saskatoon.

The woman was of the middle class, at the very least. She was wearing an 18-carat gold chain necklace, which would have been uncommon in Western Canada in the early 1900s. The chain was likely made in Europe or somewhere with European influence at that time, such as Montreal, and it probably had an attached pendant that has been lost.

The woman had also seen a dentist. Despite missing teeth due to abscesses, the woman had one tooth that was filled and another one that needed attention.

She had some kind of injury that police will not divulge, due to the ongoing investigation. They haven't determined the cause of death.

Walker believes the woman was dead when she was thrown into the wooden well. The body landed on a piece of broken cribbing, which was lying diagonally in the square well. Over the past century, most of the body was under water or a mixture of water and gasoline. The site was formerly the location of a service station.

The woman's skeleton was preserved as her soft body tissues were converted to a waxy substance called adipocere. When removed from the well, her skeleton -- except her hands, feet and skull -- was encased in a large block of wax. Hair from the woman's head, armpit and pubic area was also preserved. The digestive system was intact and even a small amount of fecal matter was present, although not enough to determine the woman's last meal. Walker extracted from the remains mitochondrial DNA, which investigators hope to match to a living descendent of the woman.

"We will never give up and the reason that we don't is for that potential surviving family member who doesn't know what happened," said Sgt. Phil Farion, who's with the historical case unit of the Saskatoon police missing persons task force. "The potential still exists that whoever this individual is has a surviving family member who is wondering, 'Whatever happened to grandma or whatever happened to Aunt Mary.' "

But Farion says Saskatoon police need help.

"We're at a standstill. It's a hundred years old. It's a difficult file to investigate. We're hoping with added media attention . . . we can have some more tips generated," Farion said.

Police thought they had part of the mystery solved. A woman from British Columbia called Saskatoon police after learning about the body, believing the deceased woman may have been her mother.

When a photograph of the caller's face was superimposed over a photo of the deceased woman's skull, it was a near perfect match, but their DNA was different.

Now, police are following up on a call they received from France from a potential relative of the woman.

Investigators were able to pin down the time frame of the woman's death because of the clothing and other artifacts found in the well and surrounding area.

Fragments of the woman's outfit indicate the woman was murdered from 1910 to the 1920s. The woman was wearing either a cotton dress with a ruffle on the bottom or a skirt and matching jacket. Her blouse was silk. She also had on wool undergarments, which suggests the murder happened in late fall or early spring, says Carole Wakabayashi, an expert in historic costumes and textile chemistry who volunteers at the Western Development Museum.

A man's vest and pair of pants was found near the old well. The wool garments were intact.

"The only thing that had disintegrated was the thread," said Wakabayashi.

About 30 pieces of glass from bottles found at the site narrows the date of death to between 1920 and 1924, says Margaret Kennedy, an associate professor of archeology at the University of Saskatchewan.

Remnants of a wooden barrel were also located in the well. Police aren't sure if the woman's body was put in the barrel or if it was thrown in the well around the time she died.

Farion says investigators will now turn to historical records. They have conflicting information about the business that was located at the site in the early 1920s. They also want to find out who worked at the business.

The woman may not have lived in the area. It's possible she was passing through what was, at the time, the town of Sutherland, a stop on the mainline of the Canadian Pacific Railway.

Anyone who believes they have information about the case is asked to call Saskatoon police at (306) 975-8300.http://www.thestarphoenix.com/opinion/editorials/Whodunit+stumps+cops+City+police+perplexed+murder+ committed+years+2006/1728630/story.html

crickett
July 14th, 2009, 01:43 AM
Wow, this is really interesting, I hope they do find out who it is.

witzah
July 13th, 2010, 10:11 PM
Specialist puts face on missing woman: RCMP forensic expert aids city police investigation
(March 9, 2007)
Wednesday, June 24, 2009
By Darren Bernhardt, The
StarPhoenix

June 29, 2006 — While workers were removing old fuel storage tanks at Central Avenue and 108th Street, they discovered a body. The century-old skull of a Saskatoon mystery woman is in the Maritimes, where an RCMP forensic specialist is piecing together the woman's appearance, muscle by muscle and skin layer by skin layer. When complete, the face will be used by Saskatoon police to move a step closer to identifying the
woman and what happened to her.

The human remains were unearthed last June by construction workers digging up underground gasoline tanks at a convenience store in Sutherland. It turns out the location was once that of an abandoned well.

A team of police, historians and
archeologists determined the woman was 25 to 35 years old, 5-foot-1, healthy, Caucasian and at least middle class.

Investigators narrowed the time of death to between 1920 and 1924 and noted the woman was injured - although they haven't elaborated -- and probably dead before her body was thrown in the well.

They were even able to secure a DNA profile from preserved pubic hair, said Sgt. Russ Friesen of the Saskatoon Police Service major crimes unit.

"They (forensic experts) were almost in disbelief the remains were so old because the quality of the sample was so good."

Samples of DNA are now being collected for comparison from people with stories of missing relatives.

"We're trying to do right by the victim who spent such a long time in an unidentified grave. We owe it to her to do the best we can to identify her," Friesen said. "And we
owe it to her family as well."

RCMP forensic art specialist Michel Fournier is hopeful the face will be
ready by mid-April. His Fredericton
lab is one of two in the country that
do such work. It is a long,
meticulous process; it took five
days just to create a mould of the
skull, he said, adding the lower jaw
is missing so he must create a new
one.

"It's not like on (the television series) CSI, where it's done in minutes," he said. The process is a blend of science
and artistic licence. The former
applies to reading the bone. A skull
is unique to every person, like a
fingerprint, Fournier explained.
It reveals where muscles are to be
attached, just as the nasal opening
and nasal spine establish width,
length and projection of the nose,
and how the jaw reveals the width
of the mouth and the thickness of
the lips.

The artistic component comes into
play in determining hair style --
guided by fashion from that era --
and eye colour. The fine bone
features and clothing found with
the body tell Fournier the woman
was petite, which helps define the
thickness of the skin.

Abroad
August 25th, 2012, 10:46 AM
They release the reconstruction...... but I don't know how to include them here?

http://www.victorialywood.com/COLD_CASE_FILES.html


__________________________________________________ _____________________

The Lady in the Well: Unidentified skeletal remains.

The Lady in the Well is Saskatoon Police Services' oldest cold case file. In June 2006 a body was found in what used to be an old well in the area that was once called Sutherland Saskatchewan and is now part of Saskatoon..


The murderer sawed the victim's arm in order to fit the body into a barrel before tossing it into the well. Forensic investigations by Saskatoon Police and archaeologist Dr. Ernie Walker determined that the Lady in the Well died between the years of 1920 to 1924. She was a healthy white female, approximately 5 ft, 1 inch in height with light brown to reddish brown hair, possibly middle class. Her jaw bone was not found so in life she could have had a larger or smaller chin. Eye colour is unknown.

Local historians and textile experts were able to assemble a clothing recreation from the remnants discovered in the well. A broken 18 karat gold chain, missing its pendant was found with the remains. Gold of this quality would have been a rarity in the Prairies a century ago and likely came from Europe or Eastern Canada.


Saskatoon Police Services are determined to solve this case. You can help if you have a missing family member whose story fits the details and /or possibly recognize the face from old family photos.


If so, contact the Cold Case detective at the Saskatoon Police Services, 130 4th Avenue North
Saskatoon, SK S7K 2L3
1-(306) 975-8300

Bravo Saskatoon Police Services for keeping this story in the media!

For additional details:
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/technology/Whodunit+stumps+cops+City+police+perplexed+murder+ committed+years+2006/1728630/story.html

Abroad
August 25th, 2012, 10:59 AM
More on the thinking behind the time of death here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90614


The woman's time of death was placed in the 20 years between 1900 and 1920 by clothing and artifacts. It's believed the victim was middle or upper class, because of the clothing, jewelry and dental work found on her body. Police also found a man's vest and pants on top of the remains, leading investigators to believe the woman might have been killed at the well. The clothing the woman had been wearing was typical of the 1908 to 1916 period. At that time, Sutherland was a railway town of about 1,000 people.

The well the woman was found in must have been abandoned at the time of her death, which suggests it happened after 1914, when Sutherland started getting water piped in from Saskatoon. In 1912, the Shore Hotel was built on the site where the remains would later be found. The building stood empty from 1919 to at least 1927.

Pete Bondurant
August 25th, 2012, 11:13 AM
She doesn't look familiar to me.

http://www.victorialywood.com/images/lady_in_the_well-3d-profile1.jpghttp://www.victorialywood.com/images/lady_in_the_well_-_sps_left1.jpg

Abroad
August 25th, 2012, 11:18 AM
I think she looks a bit like Meryl Streep.




Thank you for putting up the photogs, Mr Bondurant!

Pete Bondurant
August 25th, 2012, 11:27 AM
I think she looks a bit like Meryl Streep.

I was thinking more of Gillian Anderson.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2009/6/22/1245687810084/Gillian-Anderson-as-Nora--002.jpg

Valasca
August 25th, 2012, 12:19 PM
More on the thinking behind the time of death here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90614
Not your fault, but I totally HATE websluts. HATE them.

Abroad
August 25th, 2012, 01:56 PM
I am not too happy with them myself. Years ago read a lot of their stories, but was never able to join. Guess my IP had the wrong nationality :-P

Would not have linked to them, if I'd found the information elsewhere, or if they'd posted links to hwere they had it from......