Chris Allgood arrested in triple homicide, including his 2-year-old daughter

[talwrite]

All right, got get dinner out of the oven...

thank you DINNERTIME.

[ilookatfacts]

I have been a juror before, and we watched the confession footage in that trial. The police officer that was the one interrogating in the video testified, and explained that police officers will say and anything to get answers from the person in question. They will pull the suspect in all sorts of directions to get the answers they want.

Police Officers/Investigators always appreciate the more cut-and-dry cases because it's easier to bring justice, when they don't know who to blame, they will try to get anyone who proves to be a suspect as being the criminal they're looking for. It's not rocket science.

[ilookatfacts]

I think it's really sweet that shit for brains has friends because my religion is love

Is it, really? That's so loving.


To the person that wants to insist that Courtney did this, it isn't what you say about GSR that makes you an asshole, it's the fact that you came in here saying you know it is a fact then refuse to produce the link to the document or news source and want to act like a troll about it when you could have just admitted from the start it's the RUMOR that tard defenders in the area are insisting is true.

If you're talking about LL, she said that she sat in on the trial and that is what was brought before the court. So if you feel the need to argue that information, you should call those lawyers and experts.


If she was shot at a downward angle the idea of her shooting herself is right out the window and you can see who the last person standing is.

Did anybody say (recently, as in today) that she shot herself? For myself, I said a couple of times that he shot her and he didn't deny it---the part that was in question was the intent of her murder.

Lastly, for a person who is as "educated" you say you are, you should know that it's considered in poor taste to refer to other people as "tards"

[Rockin Ma]

Investigators or cops in open court admitted to misconduct being in their policy for interrogations?

[talwrite]

I'd like to add, that I agree with David Garcia in his closing argument that the police investigation and the prosecution were poor, that they had their shortcomings. Anyone watch the 48 Hours last night? There were numerous clues that those detectives found in order to put together a sound case. In Allgood's trial, the only thing they really had was a six hour, shirtless confession made after a long night of heavy drinking.

[Rockin Ma]

I'm pretty sure evidence from two bodies and a baby body played a part in it :lollypop:

[MadeaBecBec]

Perp walk here : http://www.ksat.com/video/19959787/index.html
You may have to go here : http://www.ksat.com/news/19957729/detail.html and then click on Simon Gutierrez's Report

Chris Allevil says at 00:22 on video : "I didn't kill anyone" Mmmm, now we all know that was one lie!

[Rockin Ma]

Wonder how inmates will view the baby killer?

[ilookatfacts]

Investigators or cops in open court admitted to misconduct being in their policy for interrogations?

I don't think it's misconduct to try to get them to admit to something.

Saying something like, "well, we have someone who said they would testify that they saw you _______" when they don't have someone saying that is the kind of thing I'm talking about.

[ilookatfacts]

Perp walk here : http://www.ksat.com/video/19959787/index.html
You may have to go here : http://www.ksat.com/news/19957729/detail.html and then click on Simon Gutierrez's Report

Chris Allevil says at 00:22 on video : "I didn't kill anyone" Mmmm, now we all know that was one lie!

Yes, telling reporters that he didn't kill anyone = a confession.

The whole line of, "Anything said can or will be held against you in the court of law." He wasn't going to say to the media, who had no business in asking, "Yeah, I blew her brains out." In the actual confession, he did admit that he killed her, though the story did change.

I think that making an issue out of a 2-second reporter/inmate conversation is a moot point.

If I were to ever get into any real trouble with the law, and the newspaper was asking me within the same 24-hour period as the original crime if I did it, I'd deny it to the reporters too.

[Rockin Ma]

Well that's not really them saying "anything" to get a confession. There are some kind of rules to avoid a false confession defense. I'm not saying it don't happen. False confessions happen probably more than I realize but that is usually one of the first things a defender will say.

[ilookatfacts]

Well that's not really them saying "anything" to get a confession. There are some kind of rules to avoid a false confession defense. I'm not saying it don't happen. False confessions happen probably more than I realize but that is usually one of the first things a defender will say.

I guess I should have clarified that "anything" didn't include something like, "Hey, buddy, I'll get you a conjugal visit if you admit it." If that's what you mean. I just meant that in their questioning, they will say just about anything to get the truth out of them. Cops/Investigators are trained to read people and their responses, so they know how to ask questions and what to ask to get answers.

[misssmartypants]

ilookatfacts, if she was sooo drunk, and could not be able to type, then how in the heck was she able to load,point, aim, shoot, deal with the kick back of a large rifle, and do this several times?

[ilookatfacts]

ilookatfacts, if she was sooo drunk, and could not be able to type, then how in the heck was she able to load,point, aim, shoot, deal with the kick back of a large rifle, and do this several times?

Adrenaline is a crazy thing. I think that if she were just sitting at the computer and was "sooo" drunk, then it'd probably be hard to focus with a mundane task.

BUT, if she was so mad that she wanted to shoot somebody, the adrenaline takes over. And how do you know that the gun wasn't already loaded?

The thing with this case is that the media and people that comment on news articles and in forums seem to try to paint an image that she was perfectly innocent and stories have been changed to make it look that way, (i.e., her plan to leave).

I'm not saying for sure, that beyond a reasonable doubt that she did do it, but I think it's feasible. I'm simply stating things in hope of making people look at it from a different aspect. I'm still trying to figure it out, and by voicing thoughts and opinions that aren't the majority are the best way for me to do that.

[Rockin Ma]

Actually most the people claiming to know her or of her start out with"she wasn't perfect" Even if she was shitty she didn't deserve it and certainly not the baby.

[Dont Needtosay]

I just want to start by saying that I'm not here to argue. If you are then there are plenty here who will accommodate you. Reluctantly, I'm posting here to attempt, in my own way, to clear up a few of the misconceptions and inaccuracies I've read being posted. None of my words here are an attempt to call out anyone, and I only intend to offer my point of view from knowledge of the history of things pertaining to Chris' life and character.

I have known Chris Allgood since we were in 7th grade together. We grew up together and knew each other very, very well and I have occasionally been a witness to, or more often been trusted with the knowledge of, many of Chris' misdeeds.

I have cherry picked several items below, but I must admit that I only read a bit less than a third of what was written in this thread. Much of what is to be found in this thread is misdirected anger at either those who believe he did it or those who just don't see it being possible from their respective point of view. I respect both sides equally for their right to express their opinions, but I disagree with much of it.

and so I shall continue...


exactly. only a matter of the time before someone used that gun. and that someone could have been Courtney just as easily as it could have been Chris.

and like LucyLawless, i too have seen the picture of Courtney posing with a rifle and a picture of her with a pistol. i've never seen any photos of Chris posing proud with his guns. people who don't really respect guns PLAY with them. they are not toys.

and please, anyone out there reading this, if you have children in your home, don't keep guns there too!!!

You have not seen any pictures, but I can confirm that less than ten years ago Chris was carrying a gun and at least once he drunkenly shot out a street light after threatening someone with it. In either 2003 or 2004 (hard to remember exactly) and directly after he threw his ex-girlfriend (or forcing her to jump depending on who you ask) from a moving vehicle, I was a party to Chris' actions in his own home. He ran into the house, threw off all of his clothes other than his boxers, and hid next to the window in his room, next to his loaded sawed off shotgun, stating over and over again that "I was here asleep!!! I was here all night!!!"

He didn't go to jail that night because I didn't know what had caused him to act this way yet and I was in possession of pot (think what you like as I don't require your approval and I am indifferent to your abhorrence), so the door wasn't answered when the police knocked. I would also say that the TC police only tried to find him there once that night so they could have probably tried a bit harder. My point is that as long as he had guns he viewed them as his fallback plan for when things got out of hand, which for him they often did.


FALSE CONFESSIONS @Manda
you're obviously not a good reader either. let me try a different way:
he did not give a false confession. whatever he said in interrogation, he said it in confusion, in shock.
a false confession is saying 'i did it' when you didn't. his confession included saying he killed courtney in self defense.
saying she did is an accusation. when he said that, that's what i believe.
he's not that smart to come up with a story.

The story I mentioned above is an excellent example of why I think you could be wrong.

Later that night he attempted to explain why the police were looking for him. He fabricated a story about coming from a wrestling match, where he became intoxicated, and driving behind someone who was more intoxicated. When they swerved he swerved as well in order to "let them know how fucked up they were driving," when a cop pulled behind him and proceeded to follow him the remaining nine blocks or so home. "Somehow," he managed to evade them in that time and "beat them to [his] house" by more than five minutes. This story changed three times in my presence and at least two in the presence of the other person there. He later told a fabricated story of how the ex argued with him and leaped from the car before he could stop, but only in passing and only in order to lay foreshadowing cover for what really happened.

This is indicative of Chris' "ability" to fabricate stories on the fly. There are always more than one, they always have holes and they are always contrary to logic so I do agree that he isn't smart enough to come up with a "good" explanation.



After a night of heavy drinking, and after the shock of what happened, anyone could easily get confused and twisted and hazy, during a six hour police interrogation. He may have stated different things, but he always says he did not do it.

This, my friend, is his modus operandi. He has NEVER been guilty of any of his misdeeds. There is a much more deep seated reason for this that I will not get into as I do not intend to incriminate or defame others.


talwrite -

Again, I wonder how long you have known Allgood and your age.

Not because I think that you are "Too Young To Know Better" or something like that.

(I believe that I'm even younger than Allgood)

It's just many of his long time "friends" and people who have known him growing up, never doubted that he did it.

Not just because they know of his arrest record. They have known of things he was never arrested for.

My older brother and his friends are now in their mid 30s. They grew up with Bones. (Even our Mom remembers 'Bones' fondly) They have played music together for years. I remember Allgood being in bands that played with my brother and his friends bands in the early 90's. (Some of the photos Allgood has on his MySpace page are ones I took at some of those shows) People that have lived in and own a homes on the same street that his parents.

I've heard this from people that have known him for around 20 years.

They don't think he did it, they know he did it

I can confirm this as well as I spoke to many of the other long time friends and/or acquaintances of Chris at the victims services. There were a few with whom I didn't speak in the aftermath that held onto hope Chris was innocent, but for the most part they were among those who didn't believe Chris was capable of things for which others witnessed him do. Some people will, even without good cause, play devil's advocate because they don't want to face the truth or because they loved him in spite of his (past) crimes.


Seems the witness that testified heard one shot (Courtney shot one time) and seconds later 4 or 5 more shots. How could she have killed them if possibly she was shot first?

Chris also told detectives that he wasnt there, didnt know who did it, or if they were even dead.

Modus operandi.


I don't get the animosity towards talwrite. Really, I don't. Tal is presenting a different point of view. Courtney wasn't a saint; Chris wasn't a saint. I don't know enough about the case to offer my opinion on it but from the little I read, neither of them seemed very stable.

Quitting drugs and turning a life around is probably one of the hardest things to do and having a child generally does not trigger that (thank you unused psych degrees). As for killing a child, usually there isn't any justification and oftentimes it is hard to say what the trigger was (you know, whichever C did that).

Finally, for Chris' famly pulling string to get him out of trouble. Really? Have none you been reading this site? Pedophiles get probation, child-killers time served and you all are surprised that a white boy, who I am sure looked clean cut and was respectful in court, would not be sentenced to any time for domestic violence or assault? Or whatever it was Chris was charged with? Frankly, his criminal record did not impress me. I expected something horrific (like attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, sodomy and rape).

His father has been unable to pull strings for Chris for some time now (more than ten years). It is fairly common knowledge that his father was booted from the police force. I won't get into why, but I can say that pulling strings was not likely afterward.


it has nothing to do with the guard. he did his job and did it well. i won't say anything further on this.
and i don't really say a witness lied. sometimes prosecutors and defense lawyers can and do get people to sway their words just so, to make things sound just right.
just like you all are twisting some of my words around.

i posed several questions earlier, but no one has replied.

so i'll try some more.
for the sake of argument, let's say chris is responsible for all three.

1) what do you think his motive is?
2) why didn't he flee the scene? (or why did he stay there?)
3) why didn't he make a deal with the DA, like confession for a lighter sentence.
4) and if all his friends and her friends think he was such a douche bag, why didn't someone get Courtney and Anika the hell out of there.

i expect that the court will wind up everything tomorrow, jury verdict included.

1) what do you think his motive is?
This comes down to control. He was a co-dependent control freak. Bad things happened when he didn't get his way. For all of his attempts to "reach an audience" he was socially inept. He was afraid of being around people he didn't know and so I believe that he tried harder to control his personal domain. Combine that with an underlying disrespect for women (and a few things I am not at liberty to disclose, but are integral in understanding Chris) and you get his manifestations of abuse.

2) why didn't he flee the scene? (or why did he stay there?)
Chris has beaten practically every other claim against himself by denial (either outright or because the women involved didn't follow through). The stabbing he committed back when we were 17 only remained on his record due to a clerical error. Fleeing the scene would have surely pointed to his guilt and he WAS smart enough to see that.

Also, it is hard to say exactly what is going through the mind of a baby killer immediately after the crime has been committed. How can we, people of reason and sanity, really understand the actions of unreasonable and insane people?

3) why didn't he make a deal with the DA, like confession for a lighter sentence.
See above. He is always innocent and others are always out to get him. He used to record every phone conversation he ever had on the slight chance they ever "tried to lie about me." That is what I call desperation and paranoia.

4) and if all his friends and her friends think he was such a douche bag, why didn't someone get Courtney and Anika the hell out of there.
You make it sound so easy to dislodge a battered woman from her abuser. His former wife married him after having dropped a restraining order that was acquired by coming forth to tell the truth that Chris had broken her jaw and not some nameless and never again seen girl coming from a house down the street... as well as him confining her to their house under threat of physical harm for his thinking that she was cheating on him (sound familiar yet?).

Reason is not something to which many battered women will listen. This is common knowledge.


He in fact does have two other children that he has no contact with.

I can confirm this to be true, however, one of the women has always claimed that the child is not his. There was, after birth at least, a strong family resemblance to Allgood. He signed his rights away for his first child and was never considered to have any for his second.


The genealogy site did not mention other wives or children or other childrens' mothers.

I know that he has been married.

I'm only stating that I have read conflicting reports about other children (one, two, none)

That site likely knows a little bit about a lot of people. I am confirming the above because I have inside knowledge of how things played out.


Maybe...and this is just speculation, maybe chris, in a drunken stupor, got it in his head that courtney was cheating with bones and overreacted...exponentially...we will probably never know tho :(

Modus operandi.


Exactly - I don't think her friends really knew the real Courtney. They were surface friends - someone you go with to a screeching weasel concert but not much more. I have read many things that she has written over the years. One of the things is how much this person failed her, or that person let her down. Kevin was the last one she could count on. I didn't think of that before, your point about being the full time mother finally getting to her. In the past she's lived with her mom, her grandma, etc. Close family. And this situation with Dawn, if in fact she was going to move in with her, that would have only been a temporary solution. I have no issues against Dawn personally - I honestly think she thinks she was trying to help. But the reality of it would have been a disaster. And I think it was just talk. If she had wanted to move, I doubt seriously Chris would have minded at all. He was into his music, and his production studio was really starting to blossom. He was on the UP. Courtney had no job, no vehicle, one daughter gone. She was on the DOWN.

Courtney was a very deep feeling person, but what she wrote about her life is not what is in question here. This is like saying "I hate my parents" when you really just mean you are angry with them. It happens. To say that Chris would have been OK with her-leaving-him (as her choice) would seem to discredit your assumed vast knowledge of him.

Also, I agree he was into his music. He was so into his music that many of the other things in his life suffered: His other children and their mothers; His ability to keep a job and pay his bills (over the majority of his adult life); His ability to connect with people when he finally did decide to wander out of his fortress of solitude; His relationship with his parents and friends due to his failing to take care of himself.... and the list goes on.

His music, if you asked him, was always on the way up. He was a shameless self promoter, but his music was always the same: "You fucked me over and all I did was try to make your life heaven on Earth," or "Fuck you, you should die!" Trust me as I have read more of the lyrics on paper than most. Though he had a ton of it, his rap music was mediocre at best and he had no way of performing it live. If you know the music business, you'll know he was a bedroom performer. Though there is nothing wrong with that, it should be well understood that he was not on his way to stardom nor was he ever going to be. He alienated all that attempted to create music with him as nobody could stand to be portrayed as a condoning by stander to the train wreck he was becoming.


In conclusion I will say that Chris was not always a monster. Though I believe with all of my heart he committed all three murders, I still have issues with wanting to see him burn (I still believe that compassion is an integral part of what makes us human) though I do believe that he must, in some way, pay for his actions. I loved him like a brother, but I could see the storm brewing (and in case you are wondering I counseled Courtney to go the other way as fast as she could when she told me they were talking and she didn't want to hear it... that is partly why we lost touch). There were, by those of us around often, glimpses of greatness in Chris, but due to several cumulative problems in his life and a history of making the wrong choices he was unable to overcome his issues. As many have already said, it is an unfortunate set of circumstances for all of the families involved. Seemingly, blame can be laid on many parties in the history of the chain of events that led to Chris' actions, but ultimately it came down to a choice that he made himself. From my perspective it is apparent that it was a choice that he thought about making at several other points in his life.

It would be wise for all of those passionately for tearing him apart to remember that when you do so that the hatred in your heart reflects the hatred in his. It is for this reason that you will find more happiness the less you allow yourself to hold such hate and the more you attempt to find closure. Regardless of his sentence you can be certain that he will not make it out of prison. If knowing he dies is what you need then fine, but a person festering in hatred is what lead us all to this forum to pour out our feelings in the first place.

Lets hope that time will be the last for all of us.

[ilookatfacts]

Actually most the people claiming to know her or of her start out with"she wasn't perfect" Even if she was shitty she didn't deserve it and certainly not the baby.

I seem to be incapable of fully saying what I mean--

I meant perfectly innocent that night.

But I agree, that no matter what, the death of Anika was completely unnecessary and undeserved, and more than likely it was that way for Kevin Bones. From what I've heard about him, he was very likeable and easy going.

IF Courtney was the one that killed Anika and Kevin Bones, then I'm not saying that it was deserved, but I would be able to understand a crime-of-passion. (Again, if that is what truly happened.)

The sad truth is that NOBODY will ever know FOR SURE what happened. All we have is speculation.

[badfish76]

I don't think I have ever seen another thread on this board so full of tard defenders and trolls.

Thank God for informal writing and free will.

Can someone PM me with a link to the verdict when it's handed down?

[MadeaBecBec]

Yes, telling reporters that he didn't kill anyone = a confession.

The whole line of, "Anything said can or will be held against you in the court of law." He wasn't going to say to the media, who had no business in asking, "Yeah, I blew her brains out." In the actual confession, he did admit that he killed her, though the story did change.

I think that making an issue out of a 2-second reporter/inmate conversation is a moot point.

If I were to ever get into any real trouble with the law, and the newspaper was asking me within the same 24-hour period as the original crime if I did it, I'd deny it to the reporters too.

Not a moot point!! He didn't have to say anything at all, He could've remained silent!!!
This same video "confession" was repeated over and over by Allevil's supporters, because at the end of it, is where he says "She told me she did it" so, ermmm, if it's not to be taken as anything, stop repeating certain parts!

[ilookatfacts]

I don't think I have ever seen another thread on this board so full of tard defenders and trolls.

Thank God for informal writing and free will.

Can someone PM me with a link to the verdict when it's handed down?

So by looking at things with an open mind, or from a different perspective = being a "tard" or troll?

Lame.

From what I have gathered in the last couple of weeks of lurking on this board, people here are debating what happened and why. Not just in this case, but in other cases as well. Had I known that disagreeing with badfish would make me a "tard" or troll, I----oh, wait. I'm not affected.

[MadeaBecBec]

I don't think I have ever seen another thread on this board so full of tard defenders and trolls.

Thank God for informal writing and free will.

Can someone PM me with a link to the verdict when it's handed down?

Oh! He's been found guilty! On Friday (May 13th) took the jury an hour and half to decide. But, talwrite, lucylawless and ilookatfacts have highjacked this thread with their 'debate' about how the "jury must've been wrong" I'll PM you several links about the guilty verdict!

Punishment phase begins tomorrow, May 16th, 2011......

[Nell]

No hijacking has occurred. Wrong or not they are free to debate what they believe is right, just like us. In fact that reminds me of this song...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTJ7AzBIJoI

[ilookatfacts]

Oh! He's been found guilty! On Friday (May 13th) took the jury an hour and half to decide. But, talwrite, lucylawless and ilookatfacts have highjacked this thread with their 'debate' about how the "jury must've been wrong" I'll PM you several links about the guilty verdict!

Punishment phase begins tomorrow, May 16th, 2011......

He was found guilty for the murder of Courtney, not for Anika or Bones.

I've said it a couple of times today and I'll say it again, I am not denying the fact that he killed Courtney. He, in the end, didn't deny it either. He denied doing it intentionally. The jury found him guilty for her murder. He was never charged with the murders of Anika or Bones, and that's what I'm really talking about. If you go back and read what I have said, you'll see me say this more than once.

LucyLawless was IN the courtroom for the duration of the trial. She came here presenting information that she was presented with during the trial. What's wrong with that?

I never said that the jury was wrong for finding him guilty of Courtney's death. Not once.

[MadeaBecBec]

Love that song, Nell
Or rather, the words....

[misssmartypants]

I should have done this earlier, as I have access to AR-15, and beer googles. I think that before anyone can say she wiped out two important people in her life, that maybe one should try to fire a weapon of that sort. Then maybe people can say something about it. So, in the interest of science, thats what Im doing this weekend, with very knowledgeable, very trained people. I discussed this with them, and pointed out how we are arguing over what we dont know much about in the weapons dept. Including me. Its also for fun, btw. Go to a gun range, take the safety class, and rent that weapon. Shoot it. Give a report.

I know this, its an awkward weapon. And too much for what it was used for.

[walkingeagle]

MandaMalice, your hubby is correct about firearms being pretty simple to operate, even drunk. But I still see nothing that convinces me that she did shoot the other 2. That theory just doesn't make sense to me!

[Justice4CAB]

I hope Im not speaking too soon, but what Im hearing, is he will be charged, very soon, with capital murder of Anika and Kevin. Im waiting on confirmation...

[walkingeagle]

I should have done this earlier, as I have access to AR-15, and beer googles. I think that before anyone can say she wiped out two important people in her life, that maybe one should try to fire a weapon of that sort. Then maybe people can say something about it. So, in the interest of science, thats what Im doing this weekend, with very knowledgeable, very trained people. I discussed this with them, and pointed out how we are arguing over what we dont know much about in the weapons dept. Including me. Its also for fun, btw. Go to a gun range, take the safety class, and rent that weapon. Shoot it. Give a report.

I know this, its an awkward weapon. And too much for what it was used for. IMO, the AR-15 is an excellent weapon! Very simple, very reliable and easy to tear apart and maintain! I hope you have a lot of fun with it!

[seekthetruth]

would also like to say that there was tons of facts that could not be brought into court until after the verdict because "Courtney is not on trial" .

I have never followed a criminal case this closely, nor read or posted on a message board. (I hope that is what you call this.) So please bear with me and my poor typing skills, and feel free to correct me if I make any errors in etiquette.

Just as many of you, I take special interest in this case because it has deeply effected people that I love. - Just as some of you, I vowed from the when I first learned of this tragedy that nightmare of a Sunday morning, that I would not assume anything nor "judge" Chris until all of the facts were in.

Now - not exclusively based on, but especially if you are giving an accurate account of what was revealed during the trial - I find myself leaning heavily toward believing most of his version. But I, as I'm sure many of you, do still have so many questions. Questions not only about the merits of the case itself - on either side, but also about how the case has been handled on both sides and what that means in relation to the "big picture".

The main thing I would like to ask right now, is how does the punishment phase work. Would you mind explaining to me what you know about the this process? Does each side only have a certain number of people to testify (or whatever it is called in this part of the proceedings) or amount of time? Do you think that we will learn more about the forensics regarding Anika and Bones?

I ask because something that I kept expecting to hear about was the blood spatter that one would expect the shooter to have on her or himself. I don't know if that is because it hasn't been presented or because it just hasn't been mentioned in the media. (or anywhere that I know of) To me, that seems like it would be the proverbial smoking gun. Now I am wondering if that was being saved for the punishment phase as well. As you said, Courtney wasn't on trial, so if she did shoot them, does that mean that now will be the time they would try to prove that, in order for him to receive lenient sentence based on the extenuating circumstances?

Btw, I do NOT watch any of the CSI shows, with their neon lit, literally unbelievably fancy, police stations with all of their cutting edge equipment. (No offense to those who do, I used to watch Crossing Jordan.) I just prefer the factual shows like Medical Detectives, American Justice, 48 Hours Mystery, that kind of thing. I also do recognize that it does NOT make me even close to being an expert at any of it. :wink2:

[talwrite]

But, talwrite, lucylawless and ilookatfacts have highjacked this thread with their 'debate' about how the "jury must've been wrong"

we haven't hijacked anything. we're simply expressing our views. just like everyone else on this board

[talwrite]

He also says in the interrogation, I did not kill her.
And yes, he could've remained silent. Yes, he could have fled (OJ style). But he stayed. He talked. He thought he was doing the right thing by talking to the police.

[walkingeagle]

He also says in the interrogation, I did not kill her.
And yes, he could've remained silent. Yes, he could have fled (OJ style). But he stayed. He talked. He thought he was doing the right thing by talking to the police. Is this fact or speculation?

[talwrite]

I have never followed a criminal case this closely, nor read or posted on a message board.

I actually hadn't either. For some reason, I have been drawn in since the first headline Texas City Mom Killed....


that I would not assume anything nor "judge" Chris until all of the facts were in.

that's just it. I don't feel like all the facts were gathered or made available.


...if you are giving an accurate account of what was revealed during the trial - I find myself leaning heavily toward believing most of his version. But I, as I'm sure many of you, do still have so many questions.

same here.


Does each side only have a certain number of people to testify (or whatever it is called in this part of the proceedings) or amount of time? Do you think that we will learn more about the forensics regarding Anika and Bones? I kept expecting to hear about was the blood spatter that one would expect the shooter to have on her or himself.

I'm not sure they have a limit on how many people can testify. I do know that Texas City PD is expecting to appear. I'd also like to know more of the forensics. I hadn't heard much at all from news accounts.

I am anticipating a harsh sentence. The defense is going to have a tough time today.


I do NOT watch any of the CSI shows, with their neon lit, literally unbelievably fancy, police stations with all of their cutting edge equipment. I just prefer the factual shows like Medical Detectives, American Justice, 48 Hours Mystery, that kind of thing. I also do recognize that it does NOT make me even close to being an expert at any of it.

Same here! Although I do watch L&O SVU. 48 Hours is a great documentary.

Here's the latest headline (Galveston Daily News is the best!)

http://galvestondailynews.com/story/231774/

[Sister Iroz]

No hijacking has occurred. Wrong or not they are free to debate what they believe is right, just like us. In fact that reminds me of this song...

I totally agree with Nell, trolls and hijackers are people like Kyeshia Gaines, remember her the mother who's baby fell out of the car. Plus, the others who were on here a couple of weeks ago pulling up old threads who couldn't spell worth a shit.

I feel everyone is allowed to have their own opinion, share and discuss it in a civil manner.

Thanks Nell for sharing your thoughts, much appreciated!

[talwrite]

Is this fact or speculation?

One of the clips in the news showed him, at the very end, stating "I did not kill them". I surmise he is speaking of Kevin and Anika.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/default/article/Murder-suspect-blames-girlfriend-killed-in-triple-1376235.php#ixzz1M5vQTbkG

He had also said, “She got crazy. I had to take the gun away from her, and it went off.”

[talwrite]

I feel everyone is allowed to have their own opinion, share and discuss it in a civil manner. Thanks Nell for sharing your thoughts, much appreciated!

I find it odd that I commented in a previous post about a nun flying off the handle, and now here we are, a nun shows up!

And ditto on your comments there.

[walkingeagle]

Thank you for sharing that source! I shall view it in a second or three!

[talwrite]

crap. i think i posted the wrong link above (mysanantonio). I think the video was the one with Fox 29.
sometimes the video plays, sometimes it doesn't. i guess let it cue up.

at one part he says, "I'm telling you, I didn't do it".

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_6001.shtml?wap=0&amp&amp

this wasn't the one I was trying to find though. There's another video as well.

i watch how he appears in the courtroom. looks like he's been crying. he is visibly distraught. one reporter in another account had said he seemed expressionless (of course, defense lawyers drill you to act calm and show no expression), but i don't see that. he looks upset.

[Sister Iroz]

Ha, I've been known to fly off the handle, on here sometime ago and hubs knows all too well!

[Sister Iroz]

Detectives from the Texas City Police Department left for San Antonio Sunday with case files detailing the criminal history of Christopher Lisle Allgood, who on Friday was convicted of the 2009 murder of his girlfriend, Courtney Gass.

The police officers are expected to outline, in particular, Allgood’s history of arrests and convictions related to the abuse of Gass as well as other girlfriends and an ex-wife during the punishment phase of Allgood’s murder trial.

[...]http://galvestondailynews.com/story/231774

[seekthetruth]

He could have & SHOULD have been STOPPED before it ever came to this.

I hope his family knows that THEY HELPED KILL THEIR OWN GRANDCHILD and that knowing that keeps them awake at night.

To me this seems unnecessary and excessively cruel. Karma is a funny thing. Sometimes it sneaks up and bites you on the ass when you least expect it. One day your children will grow up. You will discover that, once they get to a certain age, you can give them advice, you can threaten them, you can do everything in your power to try to get them to comply with your wishes, but you can't MAKE them do anything! Do you do/not do everything your parents want/don't want you to? Neither did I.

And I have seen/heard this quite a bit, so I assume it has some merit. That just leads me to ask of all of those who have jumped on the "Crucify the Allgoods" bandwagon - Have your parents ever spent a lot of money or pulled whatever strings they could to get YOU out of a jam? Besides, it's not as if he was a teenager when this occurred. He was what...30? 30 YEARS OLD!! But I guarantee to you that what comes around, goes around.

Additionally, if what you are saying is indeed true, then as a parent of adult children, I can assure you that they are already beating themselves up more than you or anyone else ever could. I don't mean to sound preachy. I just know that there are NO perfect parents, just as there are no perfect human beings. I also know that often people do the wrong thing for the right reason.

[walkingeagle]

One of the clips in the news showed him, at the very end, stating "I did not kill them". I surmise he is speaking of Kevin and Anika.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/default/article/Murder-suspect-blames-girlfriend-killed-in-triple-1376235.php#ixzz1M5vQTbkG

He had also said, “She got crazy. I had to take the gun away from her, and it went off.”

This does not look good for him!



Gass was found in a pool of blood curled under a desk, and police believe she was sitting at the couple's computer when she was shot in the head. Allgood, 32, is charged with her murder and could face up to life in prison if convicted.

Allgood was not charged in the deaths of the couple's 2-year-old daughter, Anika, or Kevin Bones, 35, who was staying with them at the apartment for a weekend in 2009.

They also were shot in the head with a semi-automatic rifle. Bones, Allgood and Gass were from Texas City.

Gass and Allgood's relationship was violent and she had set plans in motion to take their child and leave, with Bones there to help her move to Austin, according to testimony.


Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Murder-suspect-blames-girlfriend-killed-in-triple-1376235.php#ixzz1MX9BGTAW

[MandaMalice]

Okay, I guess you can say that being "inspired" by some being willing to give their own personal stories to help show their point of view.

So, here is why I have a few clear opinions of a few things:


The summer I was 12 years old, my mom decided to leave an abusive marriage.
She DID NOT TELL ANYONE of her plans. I didn't even find out till days before we left. She got up every day just like it was any other, but would wait till her husband left for work to sneak out, walk a few blocks, and make calls on a pay phone. She asked for the help from a friend SHE HAD NOT TALKED TO IN WHILE. And it was not someone that wouldn't have even been thought of as "close" friend.

She signed me up for school, just like any other school year. Sent me to the first few days of class. Did EVERYTHING like it was any other day. Then one day she woke me up and said we had to get to work. In one day mom, me & her friend packed the WHOLE house (Anyone that has ever moved can be amazed by that) loaded the moving truck, signed me out of school & picked up my records and left with 45 minutes to spare before he would be due home from work.

She DID NOT TELL ANY OF HER FRIENDS. One friend not only had the use of moving truck due to her families business, but most likely would have even had men come and pack and move us if she had asked. But she DIDN'T even TELL her friends where we were till MONTHS later.

You could definitely question her mental state not just because of the stress she was under, but due to MANY outside factor that I don't want to get into.

But if my mom had a "MySpace" page & was updating up about getting her camera back, she would have said "US" because up until the moving truck pulled off of the street, she acted like it was any other day.



I also have a VERY LOVED family member that lived their live with Bipolar disorder. Not only was she one of the must LOVING people I have EVER known, I can tell you her kids would say it DID NOT MAKE HER ANY LESS OF A MOTHER! It was never a secret in our family that she had a mental illness. She was never know to be violent. As far as I know, she didn't even "spank" her kids. If anything, it made her more of a role model since being a 1950's Housewife with Bipolar disorder was a little "unconventional". Not being afraid to speak you mind to your husband, in a time when a man was "The Head Of The Household" made her a head of her time.



As I said before, I'm disabled. I have an autoimmune disease & stuffer from problems cause by oxygen deprivation at birth. Most people would associate "Brain Damage" with being more of an "intellectual" issue, but we all know your brain controls allot more than that. It has left me with a "quirky personality" (to say the least) But also with disorders like OCPD (And for those of you that know what that is, you are now saying to yourself "Well that explains ALLOT)

This is why I have an understanding of mental health treatment in the area when you are on disability. Over the years I have RAN COMPLETELY OUT of my medication, at no fault of my own, and it took WEEKS to have the doctor "fix" the "mix up".

And unless you have ever had to be medicated in this way, you have NO IDEA how AWFUL these medication can be. I have suffered PERMANENT SIDE EFFECTS from some. After being told that one medicated was "safe" to take while pregnant, my baby ended up have temporary side effects after he was born. When my oldest was 2 years old, I was put on a medication that would cause me to sleep AT LEAST 18 HOURS a night! Anyone with a toddler would tell you that's not good! So I stopped taking that, and didn't even bother having it refilled. I've been in treatment for over 10 years and the doctors STILL HAVE NO IDEA HOW I WILL REACT TO ANYTHING THEY PRESCRIBE.

Just a few years ago they wanted to "adjust" my meds and it cause disasters results. It made my condition WORSE. And that was by TAKING my meds as the DOCTOR instructed. So, unless you have gone through the pain of finding the RIGHT medication treatment, you can not make any judgment on that.


Due to my autoimmune disease, I was unable to walk with out assistance a few years ago. My husband had to take over doing almost everything around the house & caring for our kids. It did make me feel less of a mother & wife, but it was a really cool thing to see & realize that my Husband was FULLY ABLE to care for our kids without my help.

Proving that letting a child live with the father (or the father's family) DOESN'T make someone a "bad" parent.

[ilookatfacts]

To me this seems unnecessary and excessively cruel. Karma is a funny thing. Sometimes it sneaks up and bites you on the ass when you least expect it. One day your children will grow up. You will discover that, once they get to a certain age, you can give them advice, you can threaten them, you can do everything in your power to try to get them to comply with your wishes, but you can't MAKE them do anything! Do you do/not do everything your parents want/don't want you to? Neither did I.

And I have seen/heard this quite a bit, so I assume it has some merit. That just leads me to ask of all of those who have jumped on the "Crucify the Allgoods" bandwagon - Have your parents ever spent a lot of money or pulled whatever strings they could to get YOU out of a jam? Besides, it's not as if he was a teenager when this occurred. He was what...30? 30 YEARS OLD!! But I guarantee to you that what comes around, goes around.

Additionally, if what you are saying is indeed true, then as a parent of adult children, I can assure you that they are already beating themselves up more than you or anyone else ever could. I don't mean to sound preachy. I just know that there are NO perfect parents, just as there are no perfect human beings. I also know that often people do the wrong thing for the right reason.

I couldn't agree more. To blame his parents is a LOW move. They lost someone too... and they've pretty much lost Chris too, especially if he gets life. They're at a liss. Don't blame them down doing the best they could, as almost all parents do.

[Rockin Ma]

I think we keep getting distracted from the facts.

Yes or no? One shot was reported followed by others later?

No one can seem to answer this for some reason.

[ilookatfacts]

Manda, I appreciate youyou sharing your story, and I'm sorry you've had to go through so much.

I will say, however, that Courtney allegedly told people that she was leaving him. That's what her friends and family are saying and have been saying. Considering that, I feel that she WOULDN'T have said us because her friends allegedly knew she was leaving. Why do we update our Christian and MySpace statuses? To tell our friends what we are doing. Again, this is speculation, but based on what has been said by her loved ones, I don't think she was being as secretive about it, IF she was planning to leave. But I don't think she was planning to go anywhere.

Right after it all happened, I was looking at HIS MySpace. Up until a few days before it happened, she was commenting on his pictures and profile about loving him. I get not wanting to give hints that you're thinking of leaving, but it was like she was compulsively commenting. Some have been deleted since, but many are still there.

[ilookatfacts]

I think we keep getting distracted from the facts.

Yes or no? One shot was reported followed by others later?

No one can seem to answer this for some reason.I thought that the shots that were heard were the ones he was firing in the parking lot, not from the incident. It seems that if you heard shots inside the apartment, you would tell the police so they can investigate. Remember, it wasn't until after his arrest that the bodies were found.

That I how I understunderstood it.

[Justice4CAB]

I think we keep getting distracted from the facts.

Yes or no? One shot was reported followed by others later?

No one can seem to answer this for some reason.

Yes, there was a witness that testified to this.

I'd also like to address the blaming of the parents. I think that everyone is upset because Chris got himself into alot of trouble in the past. ALL of which his parents, mostly his dad, got him out of. They paid people off, etc. I can see why they are casting SOME blame on them. If they would've let him pay for his earlier crimes, he possibly might have learned from it. We'll never know. Most of the victims from his earlier crimes are testifying today.

[Justice4CAB]

I thought that the shots that were heard were the ones he was firing in the parking lot, not from the incident. It seems that if you heard shots inside the apartment, you would tell the police so they can investigate. Remember, it wasn't until after his arrest that the bodies were found.

That I how I understunderstood it.

No, there was a witness that testified to the shots in the apt.

[MadeaBecBec]

On one hand, the verdict held Allgood responsible for Gass’ death and because the jury rejected Allgood’s claims that the shooting was in self defense after he accused her of killing Anika and Bones, Cody Gass believes his sister’s reputation and accusations of having a role in the killings also had been cleared.

“Her name has finally been cleared,” Gass said. “She was a good mother. No way she would have done that to her baby and especially to Mr. Bones.”

Gass sat through the trial and saw photos of his sister at the murder scene as well as in autopsy photos. He said the bloody photos of Anika and Bones’ killings were almost too much to bear. But it was the claim by Allgood during his interrogation by police that he shot Gass in self defense after waking up when he heard gunshots, that frustrated him the most.


http://galvestondailynews.com/story/231774/


The punishment phase is similar to guilt-innocence in that both sides make opening and closing statements and put on witnesses. The big difference is that almost any information about the defendant can be considered in the punishment phase. The state may prove up the defendant’s prior criminal record, put on witnesses to testify about the defendant’s character, or try to prove that the defendant committed other bad acts. Basically, the state can ask the judge or jury to consider much more information about the defendant—information that would not be allowed into evidence during the guilt-innocence phase.
http://www.texasdefenselaw.com/texas-criminal-law-guide/trial/punishment-phase/


Since, we are debating about who killed Anika and Kevin, I will give my reasoning/ theory of why I believe she didn't do it. Testimony was presented from the security guard that held Christopher for firing the weapon in the parking lot, the security guards testimony backed up my belief.

Allgood was arrested outside the apartment holding the rifle, but he initially was charged only with firing a gun inside the city. The bodies were not discovered until two hours later.


The security guard said that "He was upset about a fight with an ex-girlfriend" , never mentioning self-defense, and Allevil didn't say anything about anyone being dead, until the body of Courtney was discovered by Shanta Wilson, then Ms. Wilson called her son, Billy and he went in to the apartment and discovered all three and called the Police. My belief is that Christopher Lisle, was hoping he would simply be charged with firing a weapon and then go back to the apartment and do a bit of cleanup! (Thank God, Shanta Wilson wanted a cigarette and opened that apartment door) An innocent person would have been either calling 911 after shooting in self-defense or would have ran to the security guard shack and had them call for help!

As you can see, the media has reported : The Jury rejected Christopher's claim of self-defense and found him guilty of MURDER! After the punishment phase is completed and he is sentenced, I'm pretty positive that Christopher will be charged with Anika and Kevins murders as well.....
Can't wait to see this on true crime documentaries!!

[talwrite]

I think we keep getting distracted from the facts.

Yes or no? One shot was reported followed by others later?

No one can seem to answer this for some reason.

I have also repeatedly asked who was shot first, and I haven't come across any solid answer.

The Prosecutor alleges Courtney was shot first, but if they were shot at about the same time, an autopsy would only show a time range. I don't think we'll ever really know.

[talwrite]

I will say, however, that Courtney allegedly told people that she was leaving him. That's what her friends and family are saying and have been saying. Considering that, I feel that she WOULDN'T have said us because her friends allegedly knew she was leaving. But I don't think she was planning to go anywhere.

Right after it all happened, I was looking at HIS MySpace. Up until a few days before it happened, she was commenting on his pictures and profile about loving him. I get not wanting to give hints that you're thinking of leaving, but it was like she was compulsively commenting. Some have been deleted since, but many are still there.

I saw those too, from her to him. One was a playful, "I got nothing", and another was that joke about being lesbian/being fat. There's also one comment she made to a friend, playfully, that she "could just kill Chris" (for him playing his music late in the hours, when she had finally gone to sleep). I've also read her words about gouging someone's eyes out. And yes, I know we all stay stuff like that at one time or another and don't really mean it. But it was still out there.

If her friends were saying she was planning to leave, then she wouldn't have kept a secret from Chris. It would be like her to say, look dumbass me and Anika are moving out, we're hittin the road and you can't do Jack. But as I've mentioned before, people with bipolar disorder tend to say one thing, then do another. It also takes a lot effort on their part to actually get anything done.

One of the news articles from 2009, a commentator said something about they wondered what happened. Her posts on myspace (BBQ, camera) were of a happy tone. The last post at 2am. What went totally wrong in a matter of minutes? I ask the same question.

[talwrite]

I think that everyone is upset because Chris got himself into alot of trouble in the past. ALL of which his parents, mostly his dad, got him out of. They paid people off, etc. I can see why they are casting SOME blame on them.

Do you have proof where his parents paid people off to get him out of trouble? If there was such a proof, I'm sure they would present it at trial.

I actually think that's misinformation there. You'd be amazed at how some people get a reduced charge. And we're talking about misdemeanors here. Courtney had her share of them too. One of which was an order to surrend weapons.

[talwrite]

Is there a reader's digest version for MandaMalice's post?

[Justice4CAB]

Do you have proof where his parents paid people off to get him out of trouble? If there was such a proof, I'm sure they would present it at trial.

I actually think that's misinformation there. You'd be amazed at how some people get a reduced charge. And we're talking about misdemeanors here. Courtney had her share of them too. One of which was an order to surrend weapons.

No, I have no proof to give. This is a small town and everybody knows everybody and their business.

Indeed, his ex wife will testify today, along with several other of his victims, including the gentleman that Chris stabbed. TCPD is also there.

[talwrite]

The security guard said that "He was upset about a fight with an ex-girlfriend"... the body of Courtney was discovered by Shanta Wilson, then Ms. Wilson called her son, Billy and he went in to the apartment and discovered all three and called the Police. My belief is that Christopher Lisle, was hoping he would simply be charged with firing a weapon and then go back to the apartment and do a bit of cleanup!An innocent person would have been either calling 911 after shooting in self-defense or would have ran to the security guard shack and had them call for help!

Did you know that Billy Watson is a friend of Chris's? Do you wonder why the Watsons didn't go downstairs sooner than 5am? They were friends with them, if they'd heard gunfire they would have interceded sooner than 5am. Do you wonder why the police didn't investigate the apartment where Chris resided, once they arrested him? A guilty person would have fled the scene, OJ style. An innocent person who is drunker than all get out would go in shock, freak out, wander aimlessly around outside, cry hysterically, and try to talk to police.

Chris, nothing personal, is not BRIGHT ENOUGH to have that kind of reasoning you present: hey I'll go outside, fire up in the sky, get arrested on a simple weapons charge, hope no one smells the bodies, get out of jail, stop at Walmart for bleach and stuff, and return the apartment to clean up. Yeah, yeah, that's my plan.

If you can't think of an alternate motive, other than he didn't want her to move out, then I will never believe he did the other two. Someone give me another motive.... I'd like to hear other ideas for his motive. Someone... Anyone... Bueller? Bueller?...Anyone know where Bueller is?

See, it's because there is no motive for Chris doing it.

[MadeaBecBec]

My 'highjacked" post, is because Christopher Lisle Allgood was found Guilty of Murder, not manslaughter, nor Not guilty by reason of self-defense, GUILTY OF THE MURDER of Courtney Gass which to me, means that after ALL the evidence was combed over by a Jury of his peers, the self-defense theory was found to be not true, a lie!!

But, we'll keep debating this verdict!!! So carry on..........

[MadeaBecBec]

Did you know that Billy Watson is a friend of Chris's? Do you wonder why the Watsons didn't go downstairs sooner than 5am? They were friends with them, if they'd heard gunfire they would have interceded sooner than 5am. Do you wonder why the police didn't investigate the apartment where Chris resided, once they arrested him? A guilty person would have fled the scene, OJ style. An innocent person who is drunker than all get out would go in shock, freak out, wander aimlessly around outside, cry hysterically, and try to talk to police.

Chris, nothing personal, is not BRIGHT ENOUGH to have that kind of reasoning you present: hey I'll go outside, fire up in the sky, get arrested on a simple weapons charge, hope no one smells the bodies, get out of jail, stop at Walmart for bleach and stuff, and return the apartment to clean up. Yeah, yeah, that's my plan.

If you can't think of an alternate motive, other than he didn't want her to move out, then I will never believe he did the other two. Someone give me another motive.... I'd like to hear other ideas for his motive. Someone... Anyone... Bueller? Bueller?...Anyone know where Bueller is?

See, it's because there is no motive for Chris doing it.

Please, go back and read this whole thread, then come back and change your post.

You will see Billy Watsons reason for not being at the apartments, to discover their bodies sooner......

[Justice4CAB]

Billy Watson also said in a news report (that is nowhere to be found, ugh) that Chris called him and told him that he killed his family, that he killed all 3.

[talwrite]

Billy Watson also said in a news report (that is nowhere to be found, ugh) that Chris called him and told him that he killed his family, that he killed all 3.

if you find that news report, please share the link.
i've read every article possible, and had not ever seen that one.
and if that's the case, when did Chris call him? when he was still in his apt, or when he was already in booking?

[talwrite]

Please, go back and read this whole thread, then come back and change your post.

You will see Billy Watsons reason for not being at the apartments, to discover their bodies sooner......

That's all you got?

There is more than one Watson that could have checked sooner. The police could have checked sooner.

[talwrite]

http://www.kens5.com/news/Ex-girlfriends-of-convicted-killer-Allgood-give-testimony-in-court-121900309.html

[Alf]

if you find that news report, please share the link.
i've read every article possible, and had not ever seen that one.
and if that's the case, when did Chris call him? when he was still in his apt, or when he was already in booking?


Watson said Allgood called him later in the night and told him he had killed the three people in his apartment, but he didn’t believe his neighbor.

The story is here (http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=c561a56c5414696e).

--Al

[talwrite]

comments on that article:

i do recall seeing Mr. Watson on the video footage initially. did he ever repeat this statement, in the trial or any other time? i honestly wasn't too impressed with him, he seemed all happy because he got his 15 minutes of fame. also, i prefer direct quotes rather than a reporter paraphrasing what was said.

i do remember reading this article. i'm re-reading the comments. my favorites are from Blackie's.

so at one time Judy presses Courtney to come home to texas city, but Courtney doesn't. she says later everything is fine. then in later reports Judy says Austin. Did she ever state again anything about texas city?

[MadeaBecBec]

That's all you got?

There is more than one Watson that could have checked sooner. The police could have checked sooner.

Nope, not all I got, but I'm not going to re-post everything for your convenience! Re-read this thread, click on the links provided and then post your arguments!



Allgood was detained by a security guard at the Coral Ridge Apartments, who heard shots fired in the area around 3 a.m., said police spokesman Sgt. Chris Benavides.

Billy Watson, who lives with his mother above Allgood’s apartment, said he returned home around 4 a.m. to find his mother frantic. She had heard noises from the apartment below and went outside when Allgood was outside with the rifle, Watson said.

“She told me to go check on my goddaughter, Anika,” hen said. “So I went downstairs and kicked in the door.”

He said that inside the apartment he found Gass’ body in the front living room. He then told his mother to call police.

Benavides said Anika and the male were in a back bedroom, each fatally shot in separate beds.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6514673.html

I didn't post the above quote for you, but did so, to keep other members here from having to go back through 18 pages!

[MandaMalice]

she was chopping her hair off with a steak knife, something she had done before. .


No joke, THREE TIMES during my oldest son's first three years of life, I got so freaking SICK of dealing with my hair, I just shaved it all off. (We now call this the "Britney Incident") I didn't even have time to shave me legs, let alone wash and fix my hair. And one point, I grabbed a "Beard Trimmer", step off on the the back porch, and shaved my head. When I was done it looked like a two year old cut it. But I was happy cause it wasn't in my face any more.




Between giving her older daughter to her father and having Anika full time she was a regular patron of the local rehabs and bars. She did not know what it was like to be a mother 24hrs a day until the move to San Antonio and I truly believe it was too much for her and she had massive amounts of resentment towards Anika because she was so mentally ill she saw her as a nuisance more than anything.

Are you KIDDING me?

NO ONE, AND I MEAN NO ONE CAN HANDLE BEING A FULL TIME MOM!

Hell, even "part time", it's the WORST job EVER!

Not saying it isn't amazing or very rewarding, but lets be honest...

IT SUCKS!

I'm even lucky to have a husband that is a very "hands on" dad, but with the hours he works, most of the time it feel like a single mom (But like my SIL says "But with way better child support")

What job in the world calls for you to work 24 hours NO STOP EVERYDAY. No sleep. No baths. No sick days.No vacation. No paid over time.

Hell, even my own Husband thinks I'm up my kid's butts too much and OVER "Mom" the kids. But this week ALONE I got so sick of their CRAP, told them I didn't care if they KILLED each other at this point. Just DON'T wake ME up. Then went & took a damn nap.

And before I quit drinking for health reasons, my Husband would take me out EVERY WEEKEND and I got freaking SH*T FACE! I NEED too. Our oldest son may be a good hearted normal, mood teenager NOW, but as a toddler, his did stuff that would have scared Damion. If we didn't drop him off at my Mom's for the weekend & give me a break, I wouldn't have been able to get up and do everyday.

I think my kids can be: BRATS, Smart Ass, NUISANCE, Assholes and over all HUGE PAINS IN THE ASS!

Any mom that says she DOESN'T SOMETIMES fell that way is a LIAR!

And that doesn't mean I would shot them in the head either.

[talwrite]

that article says Billy found them. the other article says Mrs. Watson found them.

the news reports different facts, slightly skewed, every where i look.

[MandaMalice]

Kevin was a really good person, down to earth. I don't see that he would have ever taken sides with either of them. He would have helped Courtney move out if she wanted, but he would have done it in a way that he would make sure Chris was calm and all for it.


On this, I really do agree with you.



Typical Texan Juror statement, "Let's just find this guy guilty so we can all go home and be done with it. I got fish to fry. He's guilty otherwise he wouldn't be here."


Okay dude, THIS IS WHY I KEEP GETTING SO DAMN PISSED WITH YOU.

You CAN NOT sit here & defend someone with a CRIMINAL HISTORY & act like he IS NOT & WOULD NOT be "Dishonest" BUT turn around & say that the witnesses & freaking JURY could be in anyways dishonest.

First off, these people do have their backgrounds looked into before they are even picked to be on the jury. You said you looked up on YouTube interrogations, well you need to go look at interviews with Juries BEFORE & AFTER a trial. These people take an OATH, & some cases stay with them FOREVER. They NOT DO take on this job lightly.

And if you can believe that they could be handling the case in a dishonest way, then that means Allgood CAN BE TOO!

I have NOT seen or read one thing that said he can walk on water.





Also, in the initial news accounts, there was a witness that said that they saw her outside alone. This was never brought up since. This would be helpful to find this person, to find out approximately what time they saw her.

This is because those "witness" (who's honest you keep questioning) are thoroughly interview to make sure their statement will hold up on the stand.

[MandaMalice]

These people while yes "impaired" still operated a motor vehicle. How hard is it to sit in front of a computer. I've been drunk as he'll posting here before.

I have to agree. I've had waaaay TOO MUCH experience with drunks & y'all would be AMAZED how much their bodies can get use to drinking. Hell, they'll drink things that you SHOULDN'T just because it has alcohol in it! I have seen someone with alcohol poisoning and they were far from in a coma! Now, they couldn't do advanced calculus, but they were far from just laying there.

Think of it like ZOMBIES. They have the will to do normal everyday things, BUT NOT THE MOTOR SKILLS!

She didn't have to be typing, just looking at things on her own computer. She was a photographer. I spend HOURS sitting here editing. Never once going online.

[talwrite]

One of the news video footage of the trial, they show a picture of the computer. Anyone recognize the website?

[MandaMalice]

Even if she was, Chris would probably care less. He has kicked her out once before. She begged him to take her back. He'd probably just figure, sure, let her go. She'll be back. (Terminator Voice)


I just realized that I have yet to make this clear, I DO NOT think he killed them because she was leaving. She left all the time, and it seems he did his BEST to let her know he didn't care if she was there or not.

MY BEST GUESS it was just one fight too many, he was threaten her with the gun. She was sitting there like that wasn't anything new for him to do. (WE ALL KNOW HE HAD DONE THAT BEFORE) But this time the gun went off. Everything else was him trying to cover his ass. Of course he doesn't think ANY of it was his fault, cause he was just being a pussy with the gun. He didn't mean to shot her & it was "her fault" for being a "Dumb Bitch" anyways.

Maybe Bones got the worse just for being there. Maybe he thought him being there made him covering his butt harder.

Also, I've heard from people that talked to her BEFORE the show and DID NOT GO to the show, that said she was thinking about leave.

[MandaMalice]

I do not any children,

Once you have a child you are no longer "I". Just like the song "Ben" says, "it's us & we"

[MandaMalice]

Goody goody for you. As my girl Shania would say, that don't impress me much. I think I read 10 cuss words in this one post alone, and people who speak like that only show stupidity.


True story: When one of my Aunts had their first child, she looked into & found the BEST daycare in the area before she went back to work. She made sure it was "THE ONE" where all the Judges, Doctors & Lawyers took THEIR kids. After a few weeks she called my mom all upset cause her child came home saying "Mother-Fucker". My mom told her "What? You don't think that doctors & lawyers say Mother-Fucker too?"

[talwrite]

You don't think that doctors & lawyers say Mother-Fucker too?

good writers choose their words carefully.

i don't give a rat's ass about words used by doctors and lawyers.


From a writer's forum on using cursewords in fiction

"In writing it's quite different. I think that most of the time I read a swear word it just seems inappropriate to read vulgar language. "

"In the end, the cursing in dialog has to be real for the character, for the story and circumstances, and absolutely not be a sell out to the author's spiritual, moral beliefs. Would you flush if your mother read what you've written?"

"Though I know people use swear words in real life, I don't like the overuse of them when it isn't necessary"

"I use my personal standards for swear words. A good writer needs very few or none. Saying the characters swear is a cop-out. "

"I think you should be selective when using swear words. "

[MandaMalice]

thank you DINNERTIME.

Yes, but unlike you, I can take the heat in the kitchen.

It's funny cause you are deafening someone with all you might, that by YOUR OWN STANDARDS is:


i still find it disrespectful and immature as well as a sign of low intelligence.

Don't believe me? See for yourself:

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4122/allgood001.th.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4122/allgood001.jpg)

http://www.myspace.com/xallgood/photos/57380830#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A57380830%7D

So by YOUR OWN REASONING that makes HIM "disrespectful and immature as well as a sign of low intelligence."

Believe it or not, I respect the fact that you are standing up for your friend. More so since it is very much against public opinion.

Hell, I have respect for ANYONE that wants to take me on in a argument. You know those disorders that I mentioned having? Some would say that makes me genetically enhanced at arguing.

But I can not and will not respect you being an Asshat.

[MandaMalice]

I have been a juror before, and we watched the confession footage in that trial. The police officer that was the one interrogating in the video testified, and explained that police officers will say and anything to get answers from the person in question. They will pull the suspect in all sorts of directions to get the answers they want.


Then it is safe to say that THIS JURY IN THIS CASE was told the same thing.

[MandaMalice]

I'm pretty sure evidence from two bodies and a baby body played a part in it :lollypop:

And now I think I could fall in love with you as well!

[MandaMalice]

I should have done this earlier, as I have access to AR-15, and beer googles. I think that before anyone can say she wiped out two important people in her life, that maybe one should try to fire a weapon of that sort. Then maybe people can say something about it. So, in the interest of science, thats what Im doing this weekend, with very knowledgeable, very trained people. I discussed this with them, and pointed out how we are arguing over what we dont know much about in the weapons dept. Including me. Its also for fun, btw. Go to a gun range, take the safety class, and rent that weapon. Shoot it. Give a report.

I know this, its an awkward weapon. And too much for what it was used for.

PLEASE DO!



MandaMalice, your hubby is correct about firearms being pretty simple to operate, even drunk. But I still see nothing that convinces me that she did shoot the other 2. That theory just doesn't make sense to me!

THANK YOU! His issues was with her knowing the gun well enough that she could use it while drunk. Being how high her BAC was, he felt that would give him doubt (Looking at it as a "Cop") that she could pull it off with out being familiar with using the gun.

He pretty much sum it up as he thought I would have no problem figuring out how use the gun. But would not be so sure if I was drunk & pissed.

[MandaMalice]

I ask because something that I kept expecting to hear about was the blood spatter that one would expect the shooter to have on her or himself. I don't know if that is because it hasn't been presented or because it just hasn't been mentioned in the media. (or anywhere that I know of) To me, that seems like it would be the proverbial smoking gun. Now I am wondering if that was being saved for the punishment phase as well.


That was something my Husband wanted to know as well.

I hate to say, but he thought of a few good questions that I didn't think of. This only bugs me cause I wanted to work in forensic (Just FACTS) while his job had more to do with sorting out the "stories" and people.

[MandaMalice]

He also says in the interrogation, I did not kill her.


As I mentioned before, him not wanting to say he shot he right way DOESN'T show guilt.
Being in shock, trying to understand what happened & even admitting it to himself would be expected.

It's his WHY & HOW that raises the questions.

[walkingeagle]

I have also repeatedly asked who was shot first, and I haven't come across any solid answer.

The Prosecutor alleges Courtney was shot first, but if they were shot at about the same time, an autopsy would only show a time range. I don't think we'll ever really know. Courtney being shot first is the only thing that really makes sense here! That would give us the single pop, then a hesitation to move to the back room, then 5-6 more shots!

[MandaMalice]

To me this seems unnecessary and excessively cruel. Karma is a funny thing. Sometimes it sneaks up and bites you on the ass when you least expect it. One day your children will grow up. You will discover that, once they get to a certain age, you can give them advice, you can threaten them, you can do everything in your power to try to get them to comply with your wishes, but you can't MAKE them do anything! Do you do/not do everything your parents want/don't want you to? Neither did I.

And I have seen/heard this quite a bit, so I assume it has some merit. That just leads me to ask of all of those who have jumped on the "Crucify the Allgoods" bandwagon - Have your parents ever spent a lot of money or pulled whatever strings they could to get YOU out of a jam? Besides, it's not as if he was a teenager when this occurred. He was what...30? 30 YEARS OLD!! But I guarantee to you that what comes around, goes around.

Additionally, if what you are saying is indeed true, then as a parent of adult children, I can assure you that they are already beating themselves up more than you or anyone else ever could. I don't mean to sound preachy. I just know that there are NO perfect parents, just as there are no perfect human beings. I also know that often people do the wrong thing for the right reason.

Like I said before, even my own Mother called in some favors when I was in high school & got in trouble.
It's done ALL THE TIME in small towns, but it's how you deal with the OUTCOME that makes the difference.

Me, I got my ass handed to me. And I NEVER so much as had to SPEAK to a cop again because of something WRONG I DID again.

If his parents had help him out of trouble, only to GET HIM HELP WITH THIS OBVIOUS PROBLEM OF VIOLENCE I would COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND!

As a mother, I would do ANYTHING to help me child. But his parents getting him out of trouble really didn't help ANYONE did it? I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT A PARENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR CHILD'S ACTIONS.

I worry all the time that if I don't do a good job as a mom NOW, I AM responsible for their actions as adults.

Also, I DON'T HAVE A KID ON TRIAL FOR MURDER, do I? But if I DID, I WOULDN'T be to freaking SHOCKED if folks called me out as a crappy parent.

Don't you even bother trying making your "Prophetic" threats to ME. One, I made it a point to learn for mine & my own parents mistakes. Two, my children are the GREATEST achievements in my life & I handle them as such.

Being disable has giving me an advantage as a mother. I have NOTHING ELSE going on in my life to keep me from giving EVERY BIT of my energy to raising MY children.


I couldn't agree more. To blame his parents is a LOW move. They lost someone too... and they've pretty much lost Chris too, especially if he gets life. They're at a liss. Don't blame them down doing the best they could, as almost all parents do.

Well, if your kid was FOUND GUILTY of KILLING of at least one person and you had the chance to help him BEFORE it ever happened, I think that pretty much takes away any right to use your "Best Parent EVER" mug for your morning coffee.


Yes, there was a witness that testified to this.

I'd also like to address the blaming of the parents. I think that everyone is upset because Chris got himself into alot of trouble in the past. ALL of which his parents, mostly his dad, got him out of. They paid people off, etc. I can see why they are casting SOME blame on them. If they would've let him pay for his earlier crimes, he possibly might have learned from it. We'll never know. Most of the victims from his earlier crimes are testifying today.

Thank you for putting it in a less bitchy way. From now on, everyone refer to this post if mine offends 'ya.

[MandaMalice]

You'd be amazed at how some people get a reduced charge.


Oh, it happens ALLOT faster when you have someone that can make a few calls...



Is there a reader's digest version for MandaMalice's post?

Oh! It's CUTE how spunky you get when you think I'm not looking!

And I think the word you where looking for there is CLIF NOTES.

[MandaMalice]

My Husband just pointed out that looking at this photo of her holding the gun:

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4122/allgood001.jpg

He would GUESS that it looks she wasn't very familiar with the weapon.

He did also said, this also could be because she was holding it in a way to "pose" for a photo.

So I wanted to get the "Firearms" guys opinion on it as well.

What's your take on it walkingeagle ?

[walkingeagle]

She seems very unfamiliar with it! That is almost a half-assed Port Arms! Look at the way she's holding the bottom grip!

[walkingeagle]

Gotta love the way HE titled that page!

[talwrite]

it's actually an older picture. i think it's one the ex-bf took of her. that was one of her favorite dresses, btw.

[MandaMalice]

Look at the way she's holding the bottom grip!

That's what is Hubb's said!!!! He said it just looked too awkward to him. Like she clearly didn't know how to handle it.

[walkingeagle]

Is the the actual weapon in question here? That looks more like an SKS!

[walkingeagle]

That's what is Hubb's said!!!! He said it just looked too awkward to him. Like she clearly didn't know how to handle it. The only sexy thing I see in this picture, is that her finger is not on the trigger! The rest of it is just off the wall for me!

[MandaMalice]

it's actually an older picture. i think it's one the ex-bf took of her. that was one of her favorite dresses, btw.Okay, but it was said in the video posted about the verdict, that the photos where taken a few weeks before the shooting:

http://www.ksat.com/video/27890793/index.html

Also, want to note that he said that SHE loaded the gun. So is there any proof of how well she knew how to use it? Seeing how high her BAC was, I would guess that she had to know what she was doing.

[MandaMalice]

Is the the actual weapon in question here? That looks more like an SKS!

No idea, check the video.



The only sexy thing I see in this picture, is that her finger is not on the trigger! The rest of it is just off the wall for me!

Bwahaha!

[MandaMalice]

Gotta love the way HE titled that page!

RIGHT!

[ilookatfacts]

No joke, THREE TIMES during my oldest son's first three years of life, I got so freaking SICK of dealing with my hair, I just shaved it all off.

Cutting your hair with clippers, scissors or a razor is acceptable and perfectly normal.

WITH A STEAK KNIFE? Absolutely not normal.

[Nell]

Gotta agree with the above. Shaved my head once, didn't think to use a knife as opposed to my clippers. Cause knife is craaazzzyy....

[MandaMalice]

Cutting your hair with clippers, scissors or a razor is acceptable and perfectly normal.

WITH A STEAK KNIFE? Absolutely not normal.

I've TRIED to use a stake knife to cut an "style" (And I use that word loosely) cause I "thought" the way the edge was would make the same cuts those zig-zag scissors.

(It DOESN'T BTW)

Also used a pair of "scissors" that where used for gardening cause that was all I could find.

I think everyone was HIDING them to keep me from cutting all my hair off all the time. My mom said she was sick of telling people I was her son. My Husband still to this day says if I ever do that again, he would take the kids & not come back till it grew back.

Y'all have no idea how tempting that is to me sometimes...

[Nell]

When I think of someone cutting their hair off with a knife i want to run, cause that crazy hoe is probably gonna shank me.

[walkingeagle]

I'll have to reload that video later. I got about :30 in and it went downhill on me. Probably my PC! Ask hubby to look at that weapon. The clip and the charging handle seem out of place for an AR-15!

[Bohring]

Saying the characters swear is a cop-out.

Because it would've been super believable had Vince and Jules, the hitmen from Pulp Fiction, said "mother trucker" instead.

It's like calling them "bad butts" instead of "bad asses."

Bsh.

[MandaMalice]

I'll have to reload that video later. I got about :30 in and it went downhill on me. Probably my PC! Ask hubby to look at that weapon. The clip and the charging handle seem out of place for an AR-15!

walkingeagle You are right! He said that is NOT the same one shown at trial or in the photos show in the video.

So talwrite is most likely right about it being an older photo.

[ilookatfacts]

Like I said before, even my own Mother called in some favors when I was in high school & got in trouble.
It's done ALL THE TIME in small towns, but it's how you deal with the OUTCOME that makes the difference.

Me, I got my ass handed to me. And I NEVER so much as had to SPEAK to a cop again because of something WRONG I DID again.

If his parents had help him out of trouble, only to GET HIM HELP WITH THIS OBVIOUS PROBLEM OF VIOLENCE I would COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND!

As a mother, I would do ANYTHING to help me child. But his parents getting him out of trouble really didn't help ANYONE did it? I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT A PARENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR CHILD'S ACTIONS.

I worry all the time that if I don't do a good job as a mom NOW, I AM responsible for their actions as adults.

Also, I DON'T HAVE A KID ON TRIAL FOR MURDER, do I? But if I DID, I WOULDN'T be to freaking SHOCKED if folks called me out as a crappy parent.

Don't you even bother trying making your "Prophetic" threats to ME. One, I made it a point to learn for mine & my own parents mistakes. Two, my children are the GREATEST achievements in my life & I handle them as such.

Being disable has giving me an advantage as a mother. I have NOTHING ELSE going on in my life to keep me from giving EVERY BIT of my energy to raising MY children.



Well, if your kid was FOUND GUILTY of KILLING of at least one person and you had the chance to help him BEFORE it ever happened, I think that pretty much takes away any right to use your "Best Parent EVER" mug for your morning coffee.



Thank you for putting it in a less bitchy way. From now on, everyone refer to this post if mine offends 'ya.

Well, I'm glad that you're such an outstanding parent that will never mess up.

Give me a break. The majority of parents out there, including his, did the best they could---as a parent you want to do what you think is best for your child, but as many, many parents will tell you, it's not always the best decision you could have made. Hindsight is 20/20. I know that I am not a parent, blah, blah, blah, but it doesn't mean that I'm too stupid to understand that. I've already accepted that as a parent, I will mess up. I will make wrong choices. Were the Allgood's choices for Chris always the right ones? Well, no, probably not, but they did what they thought was best at the time.

And to echo seekthetruth, they were not responsible for his actions at 32 years of age. For the stuff he did at 17---they weren't responsible per se, but they could have done things differently.

DON'T YOU THINK THEY REGRET IT NOW?! I mean seriously, they're hurting, deeply, as are all of the people that have been involved in this tragedy.

So get set down your "#1 Parent" ribbon and embrace the reality that you, too, as a parent will mess up and continue to mess up. Stop judging them.

[MandaMalice]

ilookatfacts - Never said I was a perfect parent. Never said I was parent of the year.

And if my one of my kids ever grow up & are found guilty of murder, feel free to look me up & say "I told you so".

As I said before, Justice4CAB was able to say it in a less "bitch-face" way then me. I'm sorry that I'm unable to put that thoughts in a nice way. But I'm not sorry for the way I feel.

And as I said before, for now on, just refer to how they worded it. Because it pretty much sums up my feelings:



I'd also like to address the blaming of the parents. I think that everyone is upset because Chris got himself into alot of trouble in the past. ALL of which his parents, mostly his dad, got him out of. They paid people off, etc. I can see why they are casting SOME blame on them. If they would've let him pay for his earlier crimes, he possibly might have learned from it. We'll never know. Most of the victims from his earlier crimes are testifying today.

[MandaMalice]

When I think of someone cutting their hair off with a knife i want to run, cause that crazy hoe is probably gonna shank me.

Then I will make sure to warn you before I go to war with my hair anytime soon!

I've been known to get so pissed dealing with my hair, that I've grabbed toe nail clippers and use them to cut at my bangs!

Years ago while out for the night with my Husband, I tried to get him to let me use his pocket knife cause this on bit of hair in the BACK of my head was driving my nuts!

UGH, right now as I type, I have all of my hair piled on my head with 100,000 hair ties holding in UP & OUT of my face.



I'm pretty sure this insane hate towards my hair comes from my younger years as a "Texas Beauty Queen". Still to this day, I secretly dream of having alopecia.



And since I not as much as a bitch-face as a few on this thread may think, I've been growing my hair out for the last few years to give to Locks Of Love cause just because I freaking HATE dealing with my hair, doesn't mean others wouldn't be happy to fight with this mess.

[Nell]

I wear my hair up all the time. I feel you. But you gotta admit if you were just chilling in the house watching TV and some woman started hacking at her hair with a a knife you would find it weird. And crazy.

I think my new nick name for you is bitch face. It suits you. :D

[Sister Iroz]

[...]

During the punishment phase of his trial, two women from Allgood's past told the jury about their violent relationships with him.

Andrea Bremermann said she and Allgood lived together in Texas City in 2000. She said he was verbally and physically abusive and, on one occasion, threatened her with a shotgun.

"He held it to my forehead and I just started begging for my life," she testified.

Debra Hagebusch, 27, who was married to Allgood for a brief time in 2008, said that he beat her up on several occasions and she too said he threatened to kill her.

She recalled one night of horror for the jury.

"He was choking me and he hit me with the gun on the right side of my face," she said. "And then he cocked the gun and pushed the gun up against my face and said, 'I'm going to splatter your brains all over this room.'"

Both women said Allgood would later apologize for his behavior and beg for forgiveness.

[...]
http://www.ksat.com/news/27914334/detail.html

[Rockin Ma]

Originally Posted by talwrite
I have also repeatedly asked who was shot first, and I haven't come across any solid answer.

The Prosecutor alleges Courtney was shot first, but if they were shot at about the same time, an autopsy would only show a time range. I don't think we'll ever really know.

From WalkingEagle

Courtney being shot first is the only thing that really makes sense here! That would give us the single pop, then a hesitation to move to the back room, then 5-6 more shots!

This is what I'm saying. One shot followed by others later. There is nothing that can sway me. He did it. He murdered a baby. I don't need to look at all the evidence or let the defense state their case. This is the courtroom of Rockin Ma. Rockin Ma is Judge Jury Executioner in this world of mine. I am done trying to look at other things to include the possibility he isn't guilty of all three murders. To continue, for me, in the world of Rockin Ma, it's an injustice to the three victims in this case.

[Dont Needtosay]

I just want to start by saying that I'm not here to argue. If you are then there are plenty here who will accommodate you. Reluctantly, I'm posting here to attempt, in my own way, to clear up a few of the misconceptions and inaccuracies I've read being posted. None of my words here are an attempt to call out anyone, and I only intend to offer my point of view from knowledge of the history of things pertaining to Chris' life and character.

I have known Chris Allgood since we were in 7th grade together. We grew up together and knew each other very, very well and I have occasionally been a witness to, or more often been trusted with the knowledge of, many of Chris' misdeeds.

I have cherry picked several items below, but I must admit that I only read a bit less than a third of what was written in this thread. Much of what is to be found in this thread is misdirected anger at either those who believe he did it or those who just don't see it being possible from their respective point of view. I respect both sides equally for their right to express their opinions, but I disagree with much of it.

and so I shall continue...

[Dont Needtosay]

exactly. only a matter of the time before someone used that gun. and that someone could have been Courtney just as easily as it could have been Chris.

and like LucyLawless, i too have seen the picture of Courtney posing with a rifle and a picture of her with a pistol. i've never seen any photos of Chris posing proud with his guns. people who don't really respect guns PLAY with them. they are not toys.

and please, anyone out there reading this, if you have children in your home, don't keep guns there too!!!

You have not seen any pictures, but I can confirm that less than ten years ago Chris was carrying a gun and at least once he drunkenly shot out a street light after threatening someone with it. In either 2003 or 2004 (hard to remember exactly) and directly after he threw his ex-girlfriend (or forcing her to jump depending on who you ask) from a moving vehicle, I was a party to Chris' actions in his own home. He ran into the house, threw off all of his clothes other than his boxers, and hid next to the window in his room, next to his loaded sawed off shotgun, stating over and over again that "I was here asleep!!! I was here all night!!!"

He didn't go to jail that night because I didn't know what had caused him to act this way yet and I was in possession of pot (think what you like as I don't require your approval and I am indifferent to your abhorrence), so the door wasn't answered when the police knocked. I would also say that the TC police only tried to find him there once that night so they could have probably tried a bit harder. My point is that as long as he had guns he viewed them as his fallback plan for when things got out of hand, which for him they often did.

[Dont Needtosay]

FALSE CONFESSIONS @Manda
you're obviously not a good reader either. let me try a different way:
he did not give a false confession. whatever he said in interrogation, he said it in confusion, in shock.
a false confession is saying 'i did it' when you didn't. his confession included saying he killed courtney in self defense.
saying she did is an accusation. when he said that, that's what i believe.
he's not that smart to come up with a story.

The story I mentioned above is an excellent example of why I think you could be wrong.

Later that night he attempted to explain why the police were looking for him. He fabricated a story about coming from a wrestling match, where he became intoxicated, and driving behind someone who was more intoxicated. When they swerved he swerved as well in order to "let them know how fucked up they were driving," when a cop pulled behind him and proceeded to follow him the remaining nine blocks or so home. "Somehow," he managed to evade them in that time and "beat them to [his] house" by more than five minutes. This story changed three times in my presence and at least two in the presence of the other person there. He later told a fabricated story of how the ex argued with him and leaped from the car before he could stop, but only in passing and only in order to lay foreshadowing cover for what really happened.

This is indicative of Chris' "ability" to fabricate stories on the fly. There are always more than one, they always have holes and they are always contrary to logic so I do agree that he isn't smart enough to come up with a "good" explanation.

[Dont Needtosay]

After a night of heavy drinking, and after the shock of what happened, anyone could easily get confused and twisted and hazy, during a six hour police interrogation. He may have stated different things, but he always says he did not do it.

This, my friend, is his modus operandi. He has NEVER been guilty of any of his misdeeds. There is a much more deep seated reason for this that I will not get into as I do not intend to incriminate or defame others.

[Dont Needtosay]

talwrite -

Again, I wonder how long you have known Allgood and your age.

Not because I think that you are "Too Young To Know Better" or something like that.

(I believe that I'm even younger than Allgood)

It's just many of his long time "friends" and people who have known him growing up, never doubted that he did it.

Not just because they know of his arrest record. They have known of things he was never arrested for.

My older brother and his friends are now in their mid 30s. They grew up with Bones. (Even our Mom remembers 'Bones' fondly) They have played music together for years. I remember Allgood being in bands that played with my brother and his friends bands in the early 90's. (Some of the photos Allgood has on his MySpace page are ones I took at some of those shows) People that have lived in and own a homes on the same street that his parents.

I've heard this from people that have known him for around 20 years.

They don't think he did it, they know he did it

I can confirm this as well as I spoke to many of the other long time friends and/or acquaintances of Chris at the victims services. There were a few with whom I didn't speak in the aftermath that held onto hope Chris was innocent, but for the most part they were among those who didn't believe Chris was capable of things for which others witnessed him do. Some people will, even without good cause, play devil's advocate because they don't want to face the truth or because they loved him in spite of his (past) crimes.

[Dont Needtosay]

Seems the witness that testified heard one shot (Courtney shot one time) and seconds later 4 or 5 more shots. How could she have killed them if possibly she was shot first?

Chris also told detectives that he wasnt there, didnt know who did it, or if they were even dead.

Modus operandi.

[Dont Needtosay]

I don't get the animosity towards talwrite. Really, I don't. Talwrite is presenting a different point of view. Courtney wasn't a saint; Chris wasn't a saint. I don't know enough about the case to offer my opinion on it but from the little I read, neither of them seemed very stable.

Quitting drugs and turning a life around is probably one of the hardest things to do and having a child generally does not trigger that (thank you unused psych degrees). As for killing a child, usually there isn't any justification and oftentimes it is hard to say what the trigger was (you know, whichever C did that).

Finally, for Chris' famly pulling string to get him out of trouble. Really? Have none you been reading this site? Pedophiles get probation, child-killers time served and you all are surprised that a white boy, who I am sure looked clean cut and was respectful in court, would not be sentenced to any time for domestic violence or assault? Or whatever it was Chris was charged with? Frankly, his criminal record did not impress me. I expected something horrific (like attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, sodomy and rape).

His father has been unable to pull strings for Chris for some time now (more than ten years). It is fairly common knowledge that his father was booted from the police force. I won't get into why, but I can say that pulling strings was not likely afterward.

[Dont Needtosay]

it has nothing to do with the guard. he did his job and did it well. i won't say anything further on this.
and i don't really say a witness lied. sometimes prosecutors and defense lawyers can and do get people to sway their words just so, to make things sound just right.
just like you all are twisting some of my words around.

i posed several questions earlier, but no one has replied.

so i'll try some more.
for the sake of argument, let's say chris is responsible for all three.

1) what do you think his motive is?
2) why didn't he flee the scene? (or why did he stay there?)
3) why didn't he make a deal with the DA, like confession for a lighter sentence.
4) and if all his friends and her friends think he was such a douche bag, why didn't someone get Courtney and Anika the hell out of there.

i expect that the court will wind up everything tomorrow, jury verdict included.

1) what do you think his motive is?
This comes down to control. He was a co-dependent control freak. Bad things happened when he didn't get his way. For all of his attempts to "reach an audience" he was socially inept. He was afraid of being around people he didn't know and so I believe that he tried harder to control his personal domain. Combine that with an underlying disrespect for women (and a few things I am not at liberty to disclose, but are integral in understanding Chris) and you get his manifestations of abuse.

2) why didn't he flee the scene? (or why did he stay there?)

........

[Dont Needtosay]

Chris has beaten practically every other claim against himself by denial (either outright or because two of the women involved didn't follow through). The stabbing he committed back when we were 17 only remained on his record due to a clerical error. Fleeing the scene would have surely pointed to his guilt and he WAS smart enough to see that.

Also, it is hard to say exactly what is going through the mind of a baby killer immediately after the crime has been committed. How can we, people of reason and sanity, really understand the actions of unreasonable and insane people?

3) why didn't he make a deal with the DA, like confession for a lighter sentence.
See above. He is always innocent and others are always out to get him. He used to record every phone conversation he ever had on the slight chance they ever "tried to lie about me." That is what I call desperation and paranoia.

4) and if all his friends and her friends think he was such a douche bag, why didn't someone get Courtney and Anika the hell out of there.
You make it sound so easy to dislodge a battered woman from her abuser. His former wife married him after having dropped a restraining order that was acquired by coming forth to tell the truth that Chris had broken her jaw and not some nameless and never again seen girl coming from a house down the street... as well as him confining her to their house under threat of physical harm for his thinking that she was cheating on him (sound familiar yet?).

Reason is not something to which many battered women will listen. This is common knowledge.

[Dont Needtosay]

Maybe...and this is just speculation, maybe chris, in a drunken stupor, got it in his head that courtney was cheating with bones and overreacted...exponentially...we will probably never know tho :(

Modus operandi.

[Nell]

You sir or madam, are awesome. Keep going. The above post was just great. Sincerely.

[Dont Needtosay]

Exactly - I don't think her friends really knew the real Courtney. They were surface friends - someone you go with to a screeching weasel concert but not much more. I have read many things that she has written over the years. One of the things is how much this person failed her, or that person let her down. Kevin was the last one she could count on. I didn't think of that before, your point about being the full time mother finally getting to her. In the past she's lived with her mom, her grandma, etc. Close family. And this situation with Dawn, if in fact she was going to move in with her, that would have only been a temporary solution. I have no issues against Dawn personally - I honestly think she thinks she was trying to help. But the reality of it would have been a disaster. And I think it was just talk. If she had wanted to move, I doubt seriously Chris would have minded at all. He was into his music, and his production studio was really starting to blossom. He was on the UP. Courtney had no job, no vehicle, one daughter gone. She was on the DOWN.

Courtney was a very deep feeling person, but what she wrote about her life is not what is in question here. This is like saying "I hate my parents" when you really just mean you are angry with them. It happens. To say that Chris would have been OK with her-leaving-him (as her choice) would seem to discredit your assumed vast knowledge of him.

Also, I agree that he was into his music. He was so into his music that many of the other things in his life suffered: His other children and their mothers; His ability to keep a job and pay his bills (over the majority of his adult life); His ability to connect with people when he finally did decide to wander out of his fortress of solitude; His relationship with his parents and friends due to his failing to take care of himself.... and the list goes on.

His music, if you asked him, was always on the way up. He was a shameless self promoter, but his music seldom did his music stray far from: "You fucked me over and all I did was try to make your life heaven on Earth," or "Fuck you, you should die!" Trust me as I have read more of the lyrics on paper than most. Though he had a ton of it, his rap music was mediocre at best and he had no way of performing it live. If you know the music business, you'll know he was a bedroom performer for the last several years of his run. Though there is nothing wrong with that, it should be well understood that he was not on his way to stardom nor was he ever going to be. He alienated all that attempted to create music with him as nobody could stand to be portrayed as a condoning by stander to the train wreck he was becoming.


In conclusion I will say that Chris was not always a monster. Though I believe with all of my heart he committed all three murders, I still have issues with wanting to see him burn (I still believe that compassion is an integral part of what makes us human) though I do believe that he must, in some way, pay for his actions. There were glimpses of greatness in Chris when he was younger, but due to several cumulative problems in his life and a history of making the wrong choices he was unable to overcome his issues. As many have already said, it is an unfortunate set of circumstances for all of the families involved. Seemingly, blame can be laid on many parties in the history of the chain of events that led to Chris' actions, but ultimately it came down to a choice that he made himself. In retrospect and from my perspective it is apparent that it was a choice that he thought about making at several other points in his life.

I believe that it would be wise for all of those that are passionately for tearing him apart to remember when you do so that the hatred in your heart reflects the hatred in his. It is for this reason that you will find more happiness the less you allow yourself to hold such hate and the more you attempt to find closure and remember the love for those lost. Regardless of his sentence you can be certain that he will not make it out of prison. If knowing he dies is what you need then fine, but a person festering in hatred is what lead us all to this forum to pour out our feelings in the first place.

Lets hope that time will be the last any of us have to endure.

[MandaMalice]

Absolutely not normal.

And there is nothing WRONG with NOT normal


I feel you. But you gotta admit if you were just chilling in the house watching TV and some woman started hacking at her hair with a a knife you would find it weird. And crazy.


And I have done just that before!



I think my new nick name for you is bitch face. It suits you. :D

Awww, now you're gonna make me blush!

[MandaMalice]

From WalkingEagle


This is what I'm saying. One shot followed by others later. There is nothing that can sway me. He did it. He murdered a baby. I don't need to look at all the evidence or let the defense state their case. This is the courtroom of Rockin Ma. Rockin Ma is Judge Jury Executioner in this world of mine. I am done trying to look at other things to include the possibility he isn't guilty of all three murders. To continue, for me, in the world of Rockin Ma, it's an injustice to the three victims in this case.

WORD

[ilookatfacts]

This is what I'm saying. One shot followed by others later. There is nothing that can sway me. He did it. He murdered a baby. I don't need to look at all the evidence or let the defense state their case.

Well, heaven forbid you ever get into any real trouble and need a jury to hear out your side.

I don't know FOR SURE, beyond a reasonable doubt what happened that night. I really don't. I have theories, but I don't know what happened.

But regardless, I consider both sides. I know that there are 3 sides to every case like this, one person's side, the other person's side, and the truth of what really happened.

[MandaMalice]

Don't know if this has been posted yet:

Witnesses: Rap Producer Had History Of Violence (http://www.ksat.com/news/27914334/detail.html)


SAN ANTONIO -- On Friday, a jury found Christopher Allgood, 32, guilty of killing his girlfriend Courtney Gass, 26, at the couple's Northside apartment.

Gass, the couple's 2 1/2-year-old daughter Anika and family friend John Kevin Bones were all shot to death with an assault rifle.

During the punishment phase of his trial, two women from Allgood's past told the jury about their violent relationships with him.

Andrea Bremermann said she and Allgood lived together in Texas City in 2000. She said he was verbally and physically abusive and, on one occasion, threatened her with a shotgun.

"He held it to my forehead and I just started begging for my life," she testified.

Debra Hagebusch, 27, who was married to Allgood for a brief time in 2008, said that he beat her up on several occasions and she too said he threatened to kill her.

She recalled one night of horror for the jury.

"He was choking me and he hit me with the gun on the right side of my face," she said. "And then he cocked the gun and pushed the gun up against my face and said, 'I'm going to splatter your brains all over this room.'"

Both women said Allgood would later apologize for his behavior and beg for forgiveness.

Allgood is facing a maximum sentence of life in prison.

He has not been charged with the deaths of the child and John Kevin Bones.

Video: http://www.ksat.com/video/27916235/index.html

[ilookatfacts]

And there is nothing WRONG with NOT normal

I didn't say there was, but comparing shaving your head because you were busy doesn't really have anything to do with her trying to cut off her hair with a steak knife in the midst of all of that insanity that night.

If he did it, why would she stop and be all, "Chris just killed my baby and friend...damn these bangs are getting on my nerves!"

If she did it, why would she stop and be all, "Whew. Got that taken care of. Why are these flimsy bangs in my face again?!"

I'm not trying to desensitize this tragedy---I'm really not, but to bring that up as a defense to explain her actions (re: steak knife haircut) doesn't even make sense.

[ilookatfacts]

I believe that it would be wise for all of those that are passionately for tearing him apart to remember when you do so that the hatred in your heart reflects the hatred in his. It is for this reason that you will find more happiness the less you allow yourself to hold such hate and the more you attempt to find closure and remember the love for those lost. Regardless of his sentence you can be certain that he will not make it out of prison. If knowing he dies is what you need then fine, but a person festering in hatred is what lead us all to this forum to pour out our feelings in the first place.

Lets hope that time will be the last any of us have to endure.

Very well said.

[MandaMalice]

I didn't say there was, but comparing shaving your head because you were busy doesn't really have anything to do with her trying to cut off her hair with a steak knife in the midst of all of that insanity that night.


I'm not trying desensitize this tragedy either. Please don't think that I am.

But I WAS half crazy when I started shaving my head. I was at my wits end with EVERYTHING when I stepped off the porch & shaved my head. To look back at it, I guess "taking it out" my hair was the best release I could do at the time.

Rather take it out on my hair, than on a person.

I guess I was lucky because I happened to end up LOVING not having to worry my hair. But it's doesn't change that I WAS NOT in the best "Mood" when I grab the clippers.

[Rockin Ma]

It doesn't matter to me that she chopped her hair with a steak knife. It wasn't a folding hunting knife that interests me.

[MandaMalice]

It doesn't matter to me that she chopped her hair with a steak knife. It wasn't a folding hunting knife that interests me.


You know Rockin Ma , even if your new Avatar is really creeping me out, (Unlike Nell 's being SUPER CUTE) I am starting to get the BIGGEST crush on the two of y'all! And I do mean this in the MOST UN-Creepy way!

[Sister Iroz]

I'm not trying desensitize this tragedy either. Please don't think that I am.

But I WAS half crazy when I started shaving my head. I was at my wits end with EVERYTHING when I stepped off the porch & shaved my head. To look back at it, I guess "taking it out" my hair was the best release I could do at the time.

Rather take it out on my hair, than on a person.

I guess I was lucky because I happened to end up LOVING not having to worry my hair. But it's doesn't change that I WAS NOT in the best "Mood" when I grab the clippers.

I don't mean to disrespect want you were thinking of or going through at that moment, but it gave me a Britney Spears flashback. :)

[Nell]

All my avatars are dead actresses. They have to die in imaginative ways or commit suicide. The one I have now was killed by her brother.

[MandaMalice]

ilookatfacts

I think the point I'm trying to make (And I'm am sorry if I'm not being clear) is I've been to the point where I was so "DONE" with EVERYTHING that the best thing I could think of was SHAVING MY HEAD.

But just because that was the way I dealt with that momment, it doesn't mean I could have killed two people.

Too look back, I took it out on my HAIR not the people around me. And maybe that is what she was doing.


I don't mean to disrespect want you were thinking of or going through at that moment, but it gave me a Britney Spears flashback. :)

She did that a few years after my "little melt down" and I sooooo felt for her!

We now call my bald "faze" the "Britney Incident"

[MandaMalice]

All my avatars are dead actresses. They have to die in imaginative ways or commit suicide. The one I have now was killed by her brother.

See, and it's info like that, that make you so CRUSHABLE!

[MadeaBecBec]

In the decade before Christopher Allgood's girlfriend, their young daughter and a friend were found shot to death in his North Side apartment, he had been accused by three other women of holding guns to their heads and threatening to kill them.

He was also accused of having stabbed another student at his Texas City high school.

That's what jurors were told Monday as two of his exes and the alleged stabbing victim testified for the punishment phase of Allgood's murder trial.


Ex-wife Deborah Hagebusch and ex-girlfriend Andrea Bremermann both described Allgood as someone who had a quick temper that often resulted in beatings. Hagebusch recalled waking up one night to Allgood choking her, accusing her of cheating on him as he pulled out a gun and pistol whipped her.

“He cocked the gun and put it up against my face and said, ‘I'm going to splatter your brains all over this room,'” Hagebusch testified.


Bremermann said Allgood twice held a hunting knife to her throat. He was arrested for public intoxication on another occasion after he followed her to a police station and tried to kick out her car window in the parking lot, she and a Texas City police officer testified. He would often rape her after fights, she said.

The last time he beat her, she said, was after they had broken up and she agreed to go for a ride with him so they could talk. But when he started hitting her again and driving to a remote location, she realized she was in trouble, she said.

“He started saying, ‘You're going to die tonight, bitch,'” and threw her cell phone out the window as she tried to call 911, she said. “I believe that night I would have died if I hadn't jumped out of that truck.”


But Allgood's exes were all exaggerating or outright lying, his stepmother testified Monday. Gass was a “horrible mother” who was severely bipolar, addicted to Vicodin and never seemed to make a connection with their baby, Amy Allgood said.

“He loved (Anika).” Amy Allgood said, repeating the defense's earlier contention that her son shot Gass out of self defense after she killed their daughter and friend. “She was a daddy's girl.”
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Exes-say-convicted-killer-suspect-threatened-to-1382157.php

I wonder if Judy Bradley and Amy Allgood still consider themselves 'friends', I'm gonna guess after todays testimony, NOT!!!

[MandaMalice]

But Allgood's exes were all exaggerating or outright lying, his stepmother testified Monday. Gass was a “horrible mother” who was severely bipolar, addicted to Vicodin and never seemed to make a connection with their baby, Amy Allgood said.

Wow, all of this sounds so very familiar. Like I've read it all posted somewhere before...

I wonder who could have made theses very same claims, almost word for word...

[MandaMalice]

Ex-girlfriends of convicted killer Allgood give testimony in court (http://www.kens5.com/news/local/Ex-girlfriends-of-convicted-killer-Allgood-give-testimony-in-court-121900309.html)


SAN ANTONIO -- He's a convicted killer and soon a jury will decide the fate of 32-year-old Christopher Allgood who faces up to life in prison.

In the punishment phase, jurors are hearing from Allgood's ex-girlfriends. The first one says Allgood was violent and she often feared for her life.

Allgood shot his 32-year-old girlfriend, Courtney Gass, in 2009. On Monday, one ex-girlfriend said she was held at knife point by Allgood and endured a relationship filled with domestic violence.

During the testimony, he could be seen shaking his head in disagreement. The night of the murder, police also found Gass's 2-year-old daughter, Anika, and 35-year-old Kevin Bones.

All three were dead, but Allgood was indicted only in his girlfriend's death. Whether he takes the stand remains to be seen.

He faces five to 99 years in prison.

The small courtroom is packed with family members and friends. Allgood and all three victims were from Texas City. The adults were involved in the music scene there and well known in that small community.



Video: http://www.kens5.com/news/local/Ex-girlfriends-of-convicted-killer-Allgood-give-testimony-in-court-121900309.html

[Sister Iroz]

[...]

Jurors are expected to begin deliberating his punishment Tuesday.

[...]
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Exes-say-convicted-killer-suspect-threatened-to-1382157.php

[MandaMalice]

Convicted killer's ex-wife takes stand in San Antonio courtroom (http://www.kens5.com/news/Convicted-killers-ex-wife-takes-stand-in-San-Antonio-courtroom-121957764.html)


SAN ANTONIO -- A convicted killer awaits his fate in San Antonio Monday. The prosecution has rested in the murder trial of Christopher Allgood.

Christopher Allgood is a convicted killer. He was indicted in one death.

This woman testifying in court is Christopher Allgood's ex-wife. She testified she survived a violent five-month marriage with Allgood. She said kicking, shoving and hitting happened often.

Her divorce was made final two days after Allgood was arrested, accused of killing his girlfriend, Courtney Gass on July 5, 2009.

The night of the murder, police also found Gass's 2-year-old daughter Anika, and a friend, 35-year-old John Kevin Bones shot in the head with a semi-automatic rifle. The weapon belonged to Allgood, but he was only indicted in his girlfriend's death.

Earlier Monday, an ex-girlfriend of Allgood's took the stand and testified he was violent. She also said she often feared for her life.



Video: http://www.kens5.com/news/Convicted-killers-ex-wife-takes-stand-in-San-Antonio-courtroom-121957764.html

[MandaMalice]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/mediaManager/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=994334&width=628&height=471

Christopher Allgood keeps his head lowered as he passes by the media while being escorted from SADP headquarters by an offcier on July 5, 2009, the day of the three slayings.

Man convicted of murdering girlfriend could get life term. (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Women-testifyto-killer-s-violence-1382157.php)

[walkingeagle]

Did Bubba take his shoes away from him?

[MandaMalice]

Did Bubba take his shoes away from him?

BWAHAHA!

Sadly, most likely NO. If he was arrested with out shoes on, they wouldn't have stopped to let him out some on before taking him to jail.

[Justice4CAB]

The jury is out...wont be long now.

[walkingeagle]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/mediaManager/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=994334&width=628&height=471 I'm waiting for Bubba's MS page with this pic titled MY BITCH!

[seekthetruth]

comments on that article:

i do recall seeing Mr. Watson on the video footage initially. did he ever repeat this statement, in the trial or any other time? i honestly wasn't too impressed with him, he seemed all happy because he got his 15 minutes of fame.QUOTE]

Mr. Watson indeed! Seriously?! HE was a witness??? Wow! I did NOT expect that! He and his mother are the original source of my confusion and skepticism. Just the beginning of why I quit believing what I hear regarding this case early on, unless I felt sure about it's source. To illustrate, and to give Billy a little more of the notoriety he so desperately needs, let's play:

"Change That Story"
So, Talwrite, for 200 points AND links to these stories, can you tell me:

Who first discovered the bodies?
Was it:
A) Billy Watson
B) Billy Watson's mother
C) Shan Ta Watson
D) All of the above

If you answered D) All off the above, you are correct! :cheers:
You may collect your prize. Anything between the ashtrays and the thimbles.

Here are Billy's stories:

Source: Galveston County Daily News
[QUOTE]Billy Watson, who lives in the apartment above, said he went to check on the family about 4 a.m. and discovered the gruesome scene. He told the Express-News he found Gass lying in the fetal position in a pool of blood in the living room and the baby and an unidentified male each fatally shot in separate beds in the back bedroom.

He also said:


Watson said he was with the couple Saturday night and saw Allgood drinking vodka, which he said has led to violent outbursts in the past.

“They were drinking Grey Goose,” Watson said in an interview with the Express-News. “And he was already kind of drunk when I left. When they would get drunk, they were two totally different people.”

Watson said Allgood called him later in the night and told him he had killed the three people in his apartment, but he didn’t believe his neighbor.

http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=c561a56c5414696e


Source: KSAT
McManus said that a short time later a neighbor walked into Allgood's apartment to borrow a cigarette and discovered the bodies.


"She walked in and found a woman lying on the floor in a puddle of blood," McManus said.

The woman then backed out and called police.McManus said that a short time later a neighbor walked into Allgood's apartment to borrow a cigarette and discovered the bodies.

"She walked in and found a woman lying on the floor in a puddle of blood," McManus said.
The woman then backed out and called police.

In the same article:

Billy Watson, who said that he is a friend of Allgood, said that Allgood has a history of unstable behavior and that his girlfriend had recently complained of physical abuse.

"I never (saw) him hit her, but I believed he did," said Watson. "He does it when he's on vodka. He's like a miniature Hulk."

http://www.ksat.com/news/19957729/detail.html

Source: San Antonio News-Express

Billy Watson, who lives with his mother above Allgood's apartment, said he returned home around 4 a.m. to find his mother frantic. She had heard noises from the apartment below and went outside when Allgood was also outside with the rifle, Watson said.

"She told me to go check on my goddaughter, Anika," Watson said. "So I went downstairs and kicked in the door."

He said that inside the apartment he found Gass lying in a fetal position in a pool of blood in the front living room. He then told his mother to call police.

And


Watson said he was with the couple Saturday night and saw Allgood drinking straight vodka, which he said has led to violent outbursts.

"They were drinking Grey Goose," Watson said, "and he was already kind of drunk when I left. When they would get drunk, they were two totally different people."

He said he had left the couple's apartment around 8:30 p.m. to do promotional work at a club.

Allgood's MySpace page includes photographs of him with Anika and a photo of Gass holding an assault rifle. He calls her an obscene name.

Watson said Allgood moved from Texas City to San Antonio about 10 months ago and that later Gass and Anika moved in with him. Watson quickly became friends with Allgood when they discovered their shared musical interests, and he got along well with Gass, too.

Anika's parents allowed her to spend time with Watson - who calls himself her godfather but is referred to as "Uncle Billy" on Gass' MySpace page - and he fondly remembers the toddler. He said he would take her to nearby North Star Mall, where he bought her shoes and ice cream.

"I loved her, and I showed her lots of attention," he said. "She was like my little kid."

Watson said Allgood had been unemployed for some time but is a musician. Gass was interested in photography, and the man visiting the couple was bringing her some equipment, Watson said

http://www.mysanantonio.com/default/article/Man-arrested-after-three-slain-1365257.php

Yes, all of the above. So, did Billy 's mother, ShanTa go looking to bum a cigarette and find them, or did she tell Billy to go check on his "goddaughter"? Did he kick the door in? If he came home at 4am and his mom tells him to go check on them, why did it take an hour to call police? And which one does he really think couldn't hurt Anika?

And IF the story about him taking Anika to the mall for shoes and ice cream is true - I just find that whole concept mind boggling anyway. In this day and age, when we ARE aware of the pedophiles and other sickos who prey on innocent little children, how ANY parent could EVER let their two year old little girl go off with a man that they had known for mere months - I just can't imagine.

I agree that there is at least one more video out there where they interviewed him on camera. I can't find it either. I was thinking it had been on FOX29. In it, if I remember correctly, he claimed that Courtney's was his cousin.

This is why I wrote ANYTHING this man (and I use the term loosely) had to say off as undependable information. At my house, we were initially very suspicious that he was somehow actually involved, because HE had so many different stories. Thanks to talwrite for bringing this up so I can see what all of you think about him and his Ma. I am curious, although, I have pretty much discounted ALL of his stories. This because I don't know which one to believe. One of them probably is true, but which one? - Hey, that sounds familiar, doesn't it?

I will be shocked if 48 Hrs Mystery doesn't pick this case up for an episode!

P.S. I did not intend to be disrespectful by the "Quiz Show" aspect of my post. It's just that when I think of this guy, I agree that he was more interested in the attention he was getting than truth or justice. And YES talwrite, he did seem just way too happy talking about such a tragedy. The ONLY reason that I let go of the idea that he was involved, is because I feel sure (hopefully with merit) that the police checked him out thoroughly.

[MandaMalice]

I'm not sure who asked about what on the videos. But I took some screen shots of a few things that have been brought up:

The Gun:

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7103/allgood002.th.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7103/allgood002.jpg)

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/9200/allgood006.th.jpg (http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/9200/allgood006.jpg)


GRS:

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/5452/allgood005.th.jpg (http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/5452/allgood005.jpg)


Computer?

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2845/allgood004.th.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2845/allgood004.jpg)


Computer with Web Page:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3151/allgood007e.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3151/allgood007e.jpg)

http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/6305/allgood008.th.jpg (http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/6305/allgood008.jpg)

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8883/allgood009.th.jpg (http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8883/allgood009.jpg)


Allgood:

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8080/allgood003.th.jpg (http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8080/allgood003.jpg)

[walkingeagle]

The Gun:

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7103/allgood002.th.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7103/allgood002.jpg)

This is an AR-15! No doubt about it!

[talwrite]

I was the one that asked about the computer screen. I wondered if anyone recognized the website.

[talwrite]

Is the AR-15 also in the picture to the left of the black & white one? Can you tell if they're the same rifle?

[MandaMalice]

I was the one that asked about the computer screen. I wondered if anyone recognized the website.

If I have time later, I'll try to see if I can clean up the image, but I'm pretty sure that's the best we are going to get.

Sorry

[MandaMalice]

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7955/allgood010.jpg (http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7955/allgood010.jpg)

[MandaMalice]

Is the AR-15 also in the picture to the left of the black & white one? Can you tell if they're the same rifle?

I'm not sure what you are asking, but here are the three photos together:

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4122/allgood001.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4122/allgood001.jpg)

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7103/allgood002.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7103/allgood002.jpg)

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/9200/allgood006.jpg (http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/9200/allgood006.jpg)

[walkingeagle]

Is the AR-15 also in the picture to the left of the black & white one? Can you tell if they're the same rifle? I cannot see the image to the left, so I cannot say for sure!

[talwrite]

The original image is indeed hard to see. I wouldn't spend too much time on it, I was just curious. (in reference to the computer website)

[walkingeagle]

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/9200/allgood006.jpg (http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/9200/allgood006.jpg) This pic is perfect! That rectangular thing directly above the red rectangle would be the charging handle on the M16/AR-15 variety! And that knob above his index finger would be the forward assist!

[MandaMalice]

The original image is indeed hard to see. I wouldn't spend too much time on it, I was just curious. (in reference to the computer website)

But that is something interesting. I would like to know also

[walkingeagle]

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4122/allgood001.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4122/allgood001.jpg)talwrite, if you are talking about this picture, it is definitely not the same rifle!

[walkingeagle]

GRS:

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/5452/allgood005.th.jpg (http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/5452/allgood005.jpg)

Was Courtney left-handed? Or am I just not seeing something through the guys head?

[talwrite]

thanks walkingeagle for the answer on the rifle picture.

i hadn't read anywhere that she was right handed or left. there were a lot more dots on her right hand in the diagram (than on the left). and relatedly, i do not know what the blue dots represent versus the red dots. if someone knows that, i'd appreciate it.

[walkingeagle]

With the way she holds the rifle in the pic above, I would bet she is right handed. But I cannot see through that head on that pic above that one to see if there is any GSR!

[Justice4CAB]

He was sentenced to 75 years...thats all i know as of now.

[talwrite]

http://galvestondailynews.com/story/231954/
Galveston Daily News -- the first one to report the verdict. BTW
I've checked the other sites and at the moment no one else has it (except for Jennifer's twitter below).


about 15 minutes ago they Jennifer with FOX 29 twittered it (about 2:45p CST)
http://twitter.com/#!/jsaucedofox29

[Justice4CAB]

75 yrs and $10,000. Has to serve 30 yrs before he is eligible for parole.

[talwrite]

Thanks Justice.

$10,000 ??? that seems low.

[talwrite]

:sheep:

[Justice4CAB]

talwrite I agree, seems very low.

The DA is undecided about the charges for sweet Anika and Kevin.

[MandaMalice]

talwrite I agree, seems very low.

The DA is undecided about the charges for sweet Anika and Kevin.

Just read that $10,000 was the max

[talwrite]

@Seekthetruth, in response to your post earlier today.

See, I too am concerned about the Watsons. I believe it’s Mrs. W you can see sitting upstairs on her balcony the whole time the police are marking off the scene. (video footage)

I also came across some strange comments Billy Watson had made on myspace to the band page (or on one of the band member’s page). Something like, sorry about what my momma said. I can recheck and repaste word for word if interested.

I’d really like to know if either Watson was at the trial. I don’t recall seeing any news reporting that they were there. Maybe Justice4CAB could answer…

I’m glad you re-posted the 2009 news articles. The story of who found what is mixed up. And if they mix that all up, what else does the investigation mix up. Why weren’t they at the trial? Isn’t it typical for prosecutor to have the person who found the body at the trial?

And seriously, nobody ever knock on my door at FIVE in the AM for a friggin cigarette, on a Sunday morning (as Mrs. Watson claims she did in one of the accounts). I don’t buy that story either. I think they know more or they know less.

HERE’S THE IMPORTANT PART:
There’s a personal reason why I brought up the fact that the guard found Chris at 3AM, then the police or the Watsons found the bodies at 5AM. Once a long time ago, someone started banging on my door real loudly. I was home but didn’t hear it. My neighbor called the police because they were concerned. She thought someone was trying to break in to my place. The police showed up at my door, and came inside to make sure I was all right. That type of police action was done in response to banging on a door. I can tell another story about police checking on every apartment at this one complex when gunshots were heard. They found shots had come through the closet of my grandparents apartment. And that was in a really poor area of town.

So with that I wonder: Why Didn’t The Guard Or The PD Check The Apt When Allgood Was First Arrested. Shouldn’t there have been a more intense response when gunshots were heard? Anyone see the connection?

Instead of Courtney bleeding to death in a pool of blood, she might have still been alive. Kevin might still have been alive. Anika….

Paramedics could have been called out sooner. Even if they couldn’t save them, at least they wouldn’t have had to lay in that apartment like that for 2 hours.

Again, thank you for recapping the news clippings Billy’s and Billy’s mother’s stories. I just don’t get them two. I hadn’t seen the video of him saying something about them being cousins. I’d like to see that, but I’m sure the station has archived it away. I don’t insinuate that he might have had something to do with it, but I think he and his mother’s actions need to be questioned, investigated further.

I’m so glad you saw what I couldn’t express very well. I am probably worked up too much about this travesty to really make sense.

[MandaMalice]

And seriously, nobody ever knock on my door at FIVE in the AM for a friggin cigarette, on a Sunday morning (as Mrs. Watson claims she did in one of the accounts). I don’t buy that story either. I think they know more or they know less.


I can think of two reasons: One, maybe they were use to them (Allgood & Gass) being up at that hour. Or two, the TV or something was on making it look like they were awake.



HERE’S THE IMPORTANT PART:
There’s a personal reason why I brought up the fact that the guard found Chris at 3AM, then the police or the Watsons found the bodies at 5AM. Once a long time ago, someone started banging on my door real loudly. I was home but didn’t hear it. My neighbor called the police because they were concerned. She thought someone was trying to break in to my place. The police showed up at my door, and came inside to make sure I was all right. That type of police action was done in response to banging on a door. I can tell another story about police checking on every apartment at this one complex when gunshots were heard. They found shots had come through the closet of my grandparents apartment. And that was in a really poor area of town.

So with that I wonder: Why Didn’t The Guard Or The PD Check The Apt When Allgood Was First Arrested. Shouldn’t there have been a more intense response when gunshots were heard? .



I would agree that was definitely crap work by both the cops & the guard.




Instead of Courtney bleeding to death in a pool of blood, she might have still been alive. Kevin might still have been alive. Anika….

Paramedics could have been called out sooner. Even if they couldn’t save them, at least they wouldn’t have had to lay in that apartment like that for 2 hours.


Just read some trial info. There was NO way it would have helped them. It was THAT bad.

[MandaMalice]

Jurors Convict Man in Girlfriend's Slaying-- Jennifer Saucedo (http://www.foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_6001.shtml)


It took jurors just under two hours to find Christopher Allgood guilty in the murder of his girlfriend Courtney Gass. Prosecutors say Allgood shot Gass inside an apartment off Wakefield on July 5, 2009. Police also discovered the dead bodies of Allgood and Gass' daughter, Anika and Kevin Bones. Allgood has only been charged in the death of Gass.



In closing arguments, defense attorney's said Allgood shot Gass' after she tried coming at him with a knife. Allgood also alleged it was Gass who shot and killed their daughter and Bones. Prosecutors called Allgood a liar and said he is responsible for killing Gass.



Jurors will be back Monday morning for the punishment phase in the trial. Allgood is facing five years to life in prison for Courtney's murder.

[Alf]

This is an AR-15! No doubt about it!

The other rifle is an AK-47, probably an AK-47s.

--Al

[Alf]

GRS:

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/5452/allgood005.th.jpg (http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/5452/allgood005.jpg)

Do you have a screen cap of this outline drawing without the man's head in front of the drawing's right hand?

--Al

[MandaMalice]

Do you have a screen cap of this outline drawing without the man's head in front of the drawing's right hand?

--Al

I'll try and get one later. Got monsters to care for right now!

[talwrite]

If Manda doesn't post it, I'll try the one I got, once I get home tonight.

[Rockin Ma]

What is the travesty you speak of?

[talwrite]

i meant tragedy
i often get those two words mixed up

[talwrite]

Got monsters to care for right now!

If you are ever in need of a cool band name, here's one:
Manda Malice and the Monsters

:drum:

[MandaMalice]

Jury Deliberates More Than 3 Hours (http://www.ksat.com/news/27928510/detail.html)


SAN ANTONIO -- Prosecutors asked the jury to sentence Christopher Allgood, 32, to life in prison. His lawyers asked for 15 years.

After deliberating for just more than three hours, the jury said 75 years.

Allgood shot his live-in girlfriend, Courtney Gass, 26, to death at the couple's North San Antonio apartment in the early-morning hours of July 5, 2009, investigators said.

Prosecutors said he shot Gass before turning an assault rifle on the couple's 2-year-old daughter, Anika, and a family friend, John Kevin Bones, 26.

Allgood claimed that Gass shot and killed the couple's daughter and Bones.

He told police that he shot Gass to death when she came at him with a knife, after he had wrestled the assault rifle away from her.

"When you're executing three people in cold blood, lies are your only defense," Gass' mother, Judy Bradley, said afterward.

There has still been no decision made on whether Allgood will be tried for the other two deaths, according to prosecutors.

He must serve 30 years in prison for Gass' death before he can be considered for parole.

Video: http://www.ksat.com/video/27930146/index.html

[MandaMalice]

This is the best I could get:


http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4287/shotdeadkens5comsanant0.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4287/shotdeadkens5comsanant0.jpg)

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/4287/shotdeadkens5comsanant0.th.jpg (http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/4287/shotdeadkens5comsanant0.jpg)


http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6512/allgood011.th.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6512/allgood011.jpg)

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/163/allgood012.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/163/allgood012.jpg)


http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/10/allgood013.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/10/allgood013.jpg)

[MandaMalice]

comments on that article:

i do recall seeing Mr. Watson on the video footage initially. did he ever repeat this statement, in the trial or any other time? i honestly wasn't too impressed with him, he seemed all happy because he got his 15 minutes of fame.QUOTE]



Mr. Watson indeed! Seriously?! HE was a witness??? Wow! I did NOT expect that! He and his mother are the original source of my confusion and skepticism. Just the beginning of why I quit believing what I hear regarding this case early on, unless I felt sure about it's source. To illustrate, and to give Billy a little more of the notoriety he so desperately needs, let's play:

"Change That Story"
So, Talwrite, for 200 points AND links to these stories, can you tell me:

Who first discovered the bodies?
Was it:
A) Billy Watson
B) Billy Watson's mother
C) Shan Ta Watson
D) All of the above

If you answered D) All off the above, you are correct! :cheers:
You may collect your prize. Anything between the ashtrays and the thimbles.

Here are Billy's stories:

Source: Galveston County Daily News


He also said:



http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=c561a56c5414696e


Source: KSAT
McManus said that a short time later a neighbor walked into Allgood's apartment to borrow a cigarette and discovered the bodies.


In the same article:


http://www.ksat.com/news/19957729/detail.html

Source: San Antonio News-Express


And



http://www.mysanantonio.com/default/article/Man-arrested-after-three-slain-1365257.php

Yes, all of the above. So, did Billy 's mother, ShanTa go looking to bum a cigarette and find them, or did she tell Billy to go check on his "goddaughter"? Did he kick the door in? If he came home at 4am and his mom tells him to go check on them, why did it take an hour to call police? And which one does he really think couldn't hurt Anika?

And IF the story about him taking Anika to the mall for shoes and ice cream is true - I just find that whole concept mind boggling anyway. In this day and age, when we ARE aware of the pedophiles and other sickos who prey on innocent little children, how ANY parent could EVER let their two year old little girl go off with a man that they had known for mere months - I just can't imagine.

I agree that there is at least one more video out there where they interviewed him on camera. I can't find it either. I was thinking it had been on FOX29. In it, if I remember correctly, he claimed that Courtney's was his cousin.

This is why I wrote ANYTHING this man (and I use the term loosely) had to say off as undependable information. At my house, we were initially very suspicious that he was somehow actually involved, because HE had so many different stories. Thanks to talwrite for bringing this up so I can see what all of you think about him and his Ma. I am curious, although, I have pretty much discounted ALL of his stories. This because I don't know which one to believe. One of them probably is true, but which one? - Hey, that sounds familiar, doesn't it?

I will be shocked if 48 Hrs Mystery doesn't pick this case up for an episode!

P.S. I did not intend to be disrespectful by the "Quiz Show" aspect of my post. It's just that when I think of this guy, I agree that he was more interested in the attention he was getting than truth or justice. And YES talwrite, he did seem just way too happy talking about such a tragedy. The ONLY reason that I let go of the idea that he was involved, is because I feel sure (hopefully with merit) that the police checked him out thoroughly.

I don't know why I missed this early, but this was VERY interesting!!

But, I think they only thing these people are truly guilty of is being camera/news WHORES.

Now, I did read a comment of Allgood's MySpace page made be Courtney, saying something about him "spoiling" the baby with new shoes. Funny, is she made the comment about how EXPENSIVE the shoes were & it says here he DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A JOB!

I posted awhile back that I was involved with something a few years about that the news HEAVILY covered. And I can tell you they will talk to ANYONE that will giving them ANY info. Most people INVOLVED DO NOT want to talk to them. So it's dumb ass people like that, that will be HAPPY to.

I have to say that talwrite brought up a REALLY good point about WHY DIDN'T ANYONE GO BACK TO HIS APARTMENT AFTER HE WAS FOUND WITH THE GUN??

The guard SHOULD now where he lives & that people lived with him. Why didn't he CHECK on them?

The police testified that he said he had gotten in a fight with an "ex girlfriend". WHY DIDN'T THAT TIP HIM OFF?

[MandaMalice]

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/2337/allgood014.th.jpg (http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/2337/allgood014.jpg)

But I do have to say, with a baby THAT CUTE, it would be HARD for anyone to NOT SPOIL her...

[talwrite]

those pictures MandaMalice posted are the best quality.
it's hard to catch the GSR diagram, he keeps moving, but it did seem like more red dots were on the right hand.
the link to the one with the website, in case anyone wants to try and take a good look, is this:
http://www.kens5.com/news/Friends-of-SA-murder-victims-want-justice-for-three-shot-dead-121535139.html

the computer shows at 0:35

[Rockin Ma]

those pictures MandaMalice posted are the best quality.
it's hard to catch the GSR diagram, he keeps moving, but it did seem like more red dots were on the right hand.
the link to the one with the website, in case anyone wants to try and take a good look, is this:
http://www.kens5.com/news/Friends-of-SA-murder-victims-want-justice-for-three-shot-dead-121535139.html

the computer shows at 0:35

And I picture a terrified Courtney holding that gun like it was going to somehow stop him.

[MandaMalice]

those pictures MandaMalice posted are the best quality.
it's hard to catch the GSR diagram, he keeps moving, but it did seem like more red dots were on the right hand.
the link to the one with the website, in case anyone wants to try and take a good look, is this:
http://www.kens5.com/news/Friends-of-SA-murder-victims-want-justice-for-three-shot-dead-121535139.html

the computer shows at 0:35

Yeah, I was cussing at they guy's big ass bald head while taking the screen shots....

[Rockin Ma]

WOnder if there were burns on her hands. walkingeagle if she was holding on to the end of that thing when it went off think it would burn the skin?

[MandaMalice]

READ FROM THE BOTTOM UP


http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9852/allgood021.jpg


http://twitter.com/HearsaySA

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1372/allgood020.jpg

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/4923/allgood019.jpg

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/3660/allgood018.jpg

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/6800/allgood017.jpg

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/909/allgood016.jpg

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9788/allgood015.jpg

[MandaMalice]

Photos:

http://a.yfrog.com/img619/7017/cz6yt.jpg (http://yfrog.com/h7cz6ytj)

http://a.yfrog.com/img611/1307/dbnjy.jpg (http://yfrog.com/gzdbnjyj)

http://a.yfrog.com/img614/5059/1ujjg.jpg (http://yfrog.com/h21ujjgj)

http://a.yfrog.com/img611/803/a4tbu.jpg (http://yfrog.com/gza4tbuj)

http://a.yfrog.com/img640/4646/cu5yk.jpg (http://yfrog.com/hscu5ykj)

[talwrite]

Anyone know the proper channels on ordering the transcript from the district court proceedings?

[talwrite]

I don't know why I missed this early, but this was VERY interesting!!

I think they only thing these people are truly guilty of is being camera/news WHORES. I posted awhile back that I was involved with something a few years about that the news HEAVILY covered. And I can tell you they will talk to ANYONE that will giving them ANY info. Most people INVOLVED DO NOT want to talk to them. So it's dumb ass people like that, that will be HAPPY to.

I keep wondering, why didn't Prosecutor put one of them on the stand. I keep wondering why their stories keep changing. Are you saying that maybe they made up finding them, and that they just wanted their 15 minutes of fame? I do have to agree with you on that point, that usually people that are involved won't speak one word to the press. They don't want to jeopardize their position.

Again, we are dealing with not-too-bright people.


Now, I did read a comment of Allgood's MySpace page made be Courtney, saying something about him "spoiling" the baby with new shoes. Funny, is she made the comment about how EXPENSIVE the shoes were & it says here he DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A JOB!

That sounds just like Courtney. She shared on a support group message board that he hadn't changed a single diaper when Anika was first born. She was mad at him at this time. The post you mention sounds like she thought he was starting to come around. And I read something that he actually did have a part-time job at a gunshop.



I have to say that talwrite brought up a REALLY good point about WHY DIDN'T ANYONE GO BACK TO HIS APARTMENT AFTER HE WAS FOUND WITH THE GUN??

The guard SHOULD now where he lives & that people lived with him. Why didn't he CHECK on them?

The police testified that he said he had gotten in a fight with an "ex girlfriend". WHY DIDN'T THAT TIP HIM OFF?

I thought that too about the guard, but then I held it back because I realize a security guard probably doesn't know every single tenant. But then again, this is a relatively small apt. complex. Police had been called out numerous times. The guard would know. The police would know. And your last point - yeah, that definitely should have tipped him off.

[MandaMalice]

Anyone know the proper channels on ordering the transcript from the district court proceedings?



http://www.bexar.org/dc/FAQ.html

[MadeaBecBec]

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff307/MadeaBecBec/Mugshots/Victims/CourtneyGass-computer-crimescenephoto.jpg
Looks like some kind of music website. There is a female face to right of the screen.Looks like a black lipstick wearing female. And, I believe this might've been a place where you downloaded or shared music. There is an advertisement at the bottom of the screen, can't make out what that is....


Now, about the security guard or police not checking and finding the bodies right away; It was the Fourth of July!! Firecrackers!! Some people (they shouldn't) shoot guns in the air to celebrate.

After watching him in the video, where he says he didn't kill 'anyone', I have always thought that he appeared to have showered and shaved. Now, I read, the courtroom reporters tweet, that says he was only wearing shorts! I believe that Allevil took a shower after he slaughtered them. Since he wasn't covered in blood, obviously the security guard just figured he was a drunk waving a gun around.
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff307/MadeaBecBec/Mugshots/ChristopherAllgood-perpwalk-cleanshaven.jpg

And, Fireworks, would explain, why neighbors weren't going nuts thinking someone was getting shot up..... Plus, who's to say that Shanta Watson was at home during the killing!

[walkingeagle]

WOnder if there were burns on her hands. walkingeagle if she was holding on to the end of that thing when it went off think it would burn the skin? That would definitely make sense if she had it by the very end.

[MandaMalice]

Allgood gets 75 years for murder (http://galvestondailynews.com/story/231954/)


“You took my baby,” Bradley said as she addressed Allgood directly during the victims’ impact statement, after the jury left the courtroom. “You took my baby granddaughter. ... I know you wish you could take it back.

“You now need to man up and tell the truth (about the killings of Anika and Bones).”

Wow. She is way more of a person that me. I'm not get gonna bother telling ya'll what I would have said. But I think ya'll would have an idea...


“You’re a scum bag,” Courtney Gass’ father, Dale Gass, said to Allgood. “The ironic thing is, she would forgive you if she were here.

“You’ve embarrassed your family. Like Judy said, you need to (be a) man about and not put others through this.”

I would agree that she WOULD and HAS forgiven him.

Despite Courtney's troubles, one thing is very clear, people LOVED her despite her troubles.

She didn't hide that she was bipolar, believe it or not, allot of people try to. She was honest about her problem and I think that's why her friends always seemed able to still love her after every fight or hurt feelings they shared with her.

You could say that bipolar made her a better person than most. She was able to love, live and feel things on a level few ever will. Sure, than meant she was also able to feel anger, pain and hurt stronger than most. But that seemed to give her a understanding about forgiveness the most people will never know.

Over and over I've read this person or that person was mad or not talking to her at this or that time. But it always seemed to be short lived. That Courtney could never stay mad at someone very long and always found "good" in everyone she met.

Because of that people loved her.

[CRR]

Manda, Did you see the juror who posted on her memorial page? Brought me to tears! You are so right about her being forgiving and even in fights her friends still loving her (and vice versa!). I remember doing something to her jokingly that made her really mad but a few days later we were laughing about it.

She was one of the few that my parents let me spend the night with when I was younger and it was because my dad was best friends with her grandpa! I wish I had never lost touch with her as adults.

[MandaMalice]

I thought that too about the guard, but then I held it back because I realize a security guard probably doesn't know every single tenant. But then again, this is a relatively small apt. complex. Police had been called out numerous times. The guard would know. The police would know. And your last point - yeah, that definitely should have tipped him off.



And, Fireworks, would explain, why neighbors weren't going nuts thinking someone was getting shot up.....

It's just I would guess Allgood would have been known around the complex because of their behavior. The cops had been there just two weeks early. That's why it is odd NO ONE thought to check his apartment.

[MandaMalice]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7Gug9R7XHw

[MandaMalice]

CRR

Just saw it. AMAZING!

Took a screen shot to share:

http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/5932/allgood022.jpg (http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/5932/allgood022.jpg)

[MandaMalice]

Now, here is something this really bugs me:

(READ FROM THE BOTTOM UP)

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/2343/allgood023.jpg (http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/2343/allgood023.jpg)

Who is this asshole & why is he saying Courtney ABUSED her child?

Even Amy Allgood/LucyLawless said she was neglectful, resentful & felt the baby was a nuisance, but NEVER said she HURT the baby!

[CRR]

Matt Perez is a joke. I wouldn't believe a word that ever came out of his mouth. I don't say that because he is a Chris supporter. I say that because I knew him in High School and so did my husband. The guy can't even tell the truth about what race he is. I always knew there was something off about Matt and he proved my gut feeling to be true. He also harassed friends of hers on Facebook as well as the memorial page before the verdict.

[CRR]

Now, here is something this really bugs me:

(READ FROM THE BOTTOM UP)

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/2343/allgood023.jpg (http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/2343/allgood023.jpg)

Who is this asshole & why is he saying Courtney ABUSED her child?

Even Amy Allgood/LucyLawless said she was neglectful, resentful & felt the baby was a nuisance, but NEVER said she HURT the baby!

I have read somewhat of Lucy Lawless but never put two and two together to come up with that she was Amy Allgood. Interesting if that is true.

[MandaMalice]

It's really just a GUESS but the things she said in her post are VERY similar to what Amy Allgood said at trail...

[walkingeagle]

I love the one that doesn't have an arrow! So he threw the crocodile tears while mommy testified! Fucking Pathetic! Hey Mommy, why didn't you take him some shoes?

[MandaMalice]

Matt Perez is a joke. I wouldn't believe a word that ever came out of his mouth. I don't say that because he is a Chris supporter. I say that because I knew him in High School and so did my husband. The guy can't even tell the truth about what race he is. I always knew there was something off about Matt and he proved my gut feeling to be true. He also harassed friends of hers on Facebook as well as the memorial page before the verdict.

Okay, now I know who you are talking about! That guy is "wack with pooh brain"!

[MandaMalice]

I think that the women who where willing to step up and testified at the sentencing did an amazing job. I hope they are very proud of what they did, because allot of people are proud of them.

It's been written that Debra Hagebusch was trying to "hide" from everything since the shooting happen. (And really, who could blame her) It must have taken allot for her to put her self in the "stop light" like that. I've had the pleasure of meeting Andrea Bremermann a few times. She is cute, very sweet and so nice. Always happy and smiling. I would have NEVER thought she had been through something like that. The next time I see her, I'm going to give her a hug and tell her just how amazed I am by her strength to tell her story.

I hope these women also feel like some justice was done for them as well. They where able to tell their story and have a record of what happened to them taken down. With a sentence as proof that they too where victims of Allgood's crimes.

[Justice4CAB]

Ive been reading that you guys think Ms Lawless is Amy Allgood. I dont think that at all. I believe she is Amy's sister Kelcie. She was indeed in court during the trial. She also wrote a public note on facebook to one of Courtneys best friends, which had threating remarks in it. I dont think Amy had the strength to sit and read all of this. Just my opinion...

[MandaMalice]

Ive been reading that you guys think Ms Lawless is Amy Allgood. I dont think that at all. I believe she is Amy's sister Kelcie. She was indeed in court during the trial. She also wrote a public note on facebook to one of Courtneys best friends, which had threating remarks in it. I dont think Amy had the strength to sit and read all of this. Just my opinion...

That would also make sense for their comments being so similar.

Thanks for the input!

[CRR]

I actually thought Lucy was one of his friends. I don't know it just didn't come off as a relative. Who knows...

I wonder if Manda has figured out who I am lol I know who she is.

[MandaMalice]

I actually thought Lucy was one of his friends. I don't know it just didn't come off as a relative. Who knows...

I wonder if Manda has figured out who I am lol I know who she is.

NO CLUE!?!? I KNOW YOU???? Ahhh! Now this will drive me NUTS!! MESSAGE ME WHO YOU ARE!!!

[CRR]

I don't even know how to message you but no we don't know each other personally... that I know of anyways but I put two and two together and I know.

[walkingeagle]

Click her username, then click Private Message!

[TACO]

The Beauty of Dreamin Demon bringing people together! :rofl:

[MandaMalice]

Ahhhhh!

While it's not like I'm trying to be ANONYMOUS or anything, it's still very surprised sometimes how recognizable my big mouth and crappy attitude can be.

Cause most of the time people figure out who I am cause of the glasses. They are always a dead give away....

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/3619/logowipkitten2010001.png

[CRR]

I figured it out but it took forever to load and then there was a freakin error or something. I hope it got sent but I think she may have gotten my other hint.

[MandaMalice]

Happened to be in Toxic City today and heard a few things:

I DO NOT CLAIM ANY OF IT TO BE FACT

Some of it is "rumor" & some of it was from people at the trial
But all of it is interesting:

* Allgood has TWO "Tear Drops" not one
* His "stay" in jail has NOT been very "nice"
* He admitted to taking a shower, washing his shirt & cleaning up the scene
* He admitted to placing the knife next to Courtney
* Allgood's family & supporters behavior was odd during the trial (Sleeping & joking at weird times)
* He DID NOT fire the gun outside in the parking lot


Oh!
And the guy he STABBED in high school is legally BLIND & was at the time of the stabbing!

Who in the HELL stabs someone that is legally blind?

[MandaMalice]

Oh,

and Allgood's Mom said the girls that testified during sentencing had all got together on FaceBook to plan & make up the "stories" they told about him.

In fact, at least one of the girls DOES NOT EVEN HAVE a Facebook account.

[CRR]

Happened to be in Toxic City today and heard a few things:

I DO NOT CLAIM ANY OF IT TO BE FACT

Some of it is "rumor" & some of it was from people at the trial
But all of it is interesting:

* Allgood has TWO "Tear Drops" not one
* His "stay" in jail has NOT been very "nice"
* He admitted to taking a shower, washing his shirt & cleaning up the scene
* He admitted to placing the knife next to Courtney
* Allgood's family & supporters behavior was odd during the trial (Sleeping & joking at weird times)
* He DID NOT fire the gun outside in the parking lot


Oh!
And the guy he STABBED in high school is legally BLIND & was at the time of the stabbing!

Who in the HELL stabs someone that is legally blind?

From what I heard a while back that a friend of his went to see him and his friend said he admitted to being someone's "Bitch" already. I am assuming you heard this from that certain someone you ran into??? Wow I haven't even heard that and honestly you had some guts asking unless this person was willing to give that info... Wow!

All I have to say for his defenders.... if this stuff was shown in the courtroom and you saw this evidence, you are an idiot for continuing to defend him and continuing to call Courtney a bad mother. Think about it... previous drug use versus killing 3 people (including the daughter he was such a "good" father to) hmmm which one is the worse parent here???? I'm gonna go with the jerk who killed his daughter!

[MandaMalice]

I am assuming you heard this from that certain someone you ran into??? Wow I haven't even heard that and honestly you had some guts asking unless this person was willing to give that info... Wow!


Oh, I got to talk to a few folks while I was in town....


The "certain someone" I ran into, I mostly told them how PROUD I was of them!!!!!



From what I heard a while back that a friend of his went to see him and his friend said he admitted to being someone's "Bitch" already.


YUP! I hear at least twice...

Someone suggested that might be why he was limping in the video...

[MandaMalice]

Also should note that his defense asked witnesses during cross if they thought All good was "A talented musician".

Really? You are on trial for MURDER and you want your ego stroked?

[CRR]

Someone suggested that might be why he was limping in the video...

I laughed when I read this!

[carolinablue]

I think, I hope, that the DA will soon bring an indictment against him for Anika, then for Bones. With my limited legal knowledge, I think they'll try him on each murder separately. That way they can, if he's convicted, keep him in prison for the rest of what I hope will be his long, excruciatingly painful life. just my opinion, I don't have any personal knowledge.

[MandaMalice]

I laughed when I read this!


Wish I could take credit for that! But that's what my MOM said!

[MandaMalice]

I think, I hope, that the DA will soon bring an indictment against him for Anika, then for Bones. With my limited legal knowledge, I think they'll try him on each murder separately. That way they can, if he's convicted, keep him in prison for the rest of what I hope will be his long, excruciatingly painful life. just my opinion, I don't have any personal knowledge.

I think since the jury was able to dismiss his claim of "Self Defense", it should be easy to trial him with both murder's. All they would need to do is bring in this conviction. And Anika's death is Capital Murder. So he could get the Death Penalty.

I've also the witnesses are willing/wanting to testify again!

[MandaMalice]

For CRR

This is the video my Mom was talking about:

http://www.kens5.com/news/local/Ex-girlfriends-of-convicted-killer-Allgood-give-testimony-in-court-121900309.html

[MandaMalice]

http://twitter.com/HearsaySA


Hancock says he had been friends with Allgood during his sophomore year at Texas City High. Allgood approached him 1 day wanting to fight.8:27 AM May 16thvia TweetDeck

Hancock: During fight, "I looked down & saw blood everywhere...saw that there were holes in me."8:28 AM May 16thvia TweetDeck

When I first saw this, I was like "WHAT? How could he not see that Allgood pulled out a knife?"

Well, turns out the guy is legally blind!

Really sad part, the defense tried to discredit him on the stand cause he couldn't point out Allgood in the court room!

[CRR]

From what my husband says is that usually when someone kills multiple people at once like that, they USUALLY get tried for them all at once. But because of his self defense claim I believe they only charged him with Courtney because he confessed to have killed her and all they needed to do was prove he didn't act in self defense. I'm not really sure how they will work the other 2 murders out. I'm not sure if anyone knows.

[seekthetruth]

Even Amy Allgood/LucyLawless said she was neglectful,

I'm just curious as to why you think that Amy Allgood is Lucy Lawless. Is it because she said this?:


There were 2 very different shooters in that apt that night and it is obvious. One did it out of impulse and one out of uncontrollable rage. Given her track record of mental instability and violent outbursts, I 100% believe she killed Anika and Bones.

Or are there other reasons? I ask because she was why I got on this thread - because LucyLawless said she was in court for experts on both sides. I wanted to ask her some questions. I heard from a friend that Amy wasn't in the courtroom for the trial phase, since she was going to testify. So originally I had never considered that possibility. But now that I have, I don't think that it is her.

The reason I ask is because, I jumped into this conversation to ask LucyLawless questions about what had been presented in the courtroom. So since you have talked to people who were at the trial, can you confirm or negate what she said. No matter who the actual person is that uses that name, I am just trying to find out if Lucy's account of what was presented/testified to in court accurate?. As long as the information is accurate, the source is irrelevant to me.

I have a rule not to second guess a jury. That is NOT what I am doing now. I am just trying to understand. I am not asking you to give me any new information. I respect that it would be hard to talk about. I am just wondering if what LucyLawless said was true, if you leave out her personal opinion - "Just the facts, ma'am," please.

I am truly sorry for your loss, and hope that you will get the closure you need to move on with your life now.

[Rockin Ma]

Actually CRR the defense didn't have to prove anything. The state had to prove that he didn't. But what you say about trying Courtney's case separately because of his claim makes sense and gives me hope the other victims will also get a judgment of their own.

[Dont Needtosay]

He is now legally blind, but at the time of the fight he was sixteen and licensed to drive. I will admit that riding with him wasn't something you would want to do. I can also say that Hancock was no angel himself. As unprovoked as it may appear Chris was, there was a mutual animosity and a fight was going to happen either way. Chris just pulled a stupid move and got in over his head.

Chris pulled up to Hancock's house to find him in the front yard with two or three girls. Words were exchanged and Chris threw a punch. They scuffled and Chris ended up in a headlock. He was afraid of the ass wiping he was about to receive and he pulled the knife. As he ran away Hancock's dad managed to come away with a fist full of Chris' hair. They were both stupid in their own ways. Matt, for starting the shit in the first place, which he did, and Chris, for being to immature to overlook it and ending up with an armed assault charge that eventually negated his degree in computers by making him ineligible a job for which he had already moved to Austin. That put a large strain on his life.

Talk about sealing your own fate with every move. Almost makes me want to believe in destiny.

[CRR]

Actually CRR the defense didn't have to prove anything. The state had to prove that he didn't. But what you say about trying Courtney's case separately because of his claim makes sense and gives me hope the other victims will also get a judgment of their own.
That is what I meant. I had to reread because I got confused even with what I wrote. You know how it is when you are typing and it all makes sense in your head and you know what you are talking about but you forget others might not.

[CRR]

I'm just curious as to why you think that Amy Allgood is Lucy Lawless. Is it because she said this?:



Or are there other reasons? I ask because she was why I got on this thread - because LucyLawless said she was in court for experts on both sides. I wanted to ask her some questions. I heard from a friend that Amy wasn't in the courtroom for the trial phase, since she was going to testify. So originally I had never considered that possibility. But now that I have, I don't think that it is her.

The reason I ask is because, I jumped into this conversation to ask LucyLawless questions about what had been presented in the courtroom. So since you have talked to people who were at the trial, can you confirm or negate what she said. No matter who the actual person is that uses that name, I am just trying to find out if Lucy's account of what was presented/testified to in court accurate?. As long as the information is accurate, the source is irrelevant to me.

I have a rule not to second guess a jury. That is NOT what I am doing now. I am just trying to understand. I am not asking you to give me any new information. I respect that it would be hard to talk about. I am just wondering if what LucyLawless said was true, if you leave out her personal opinion - "Just the facts, ma'am," please.

I am truly sorry for your loss, and hope that you will get the closure you need to move on with your life now.

I have ignored most of what was said as far as the 100% belief that Courtney killed her friend and daughter. Kevin Bones was shot multiple times leading me to believe the shooter was angry at him. Courtney's Myspace shows how excited she is about her friend being there.

I've made Courtney mad a few times and she never even laid a hand on me. As far as her violence with Chris... well if I was with a man and he was abusive and I thought he was about to beat me I sure would beat him before he got the chance to beat me!

If she shot her friend and daughter why would she put the gun down to give him the chance to shot her. They have proven his story about wrestling the gun away from her to be false and that she was in fact sitting at the computer when he shot her. If Chris was the cause for all her anger why wouldn't she have shot him first.

I believe he did it 100% because his many stories do not make sense and the evidence to me shows that he did. Oh and he is the only person standing.

[CRR]

woops it double entered

[seekthetruth]

I believe he did it 100% because his many stories do not make sense and the evidence to me shows that he did. Oh and he is the only person standing.

CRR, please re-read my post. I am not defending Chris nor doubting the jury. I am trying to understand in my mind, how things went down that night. My questions were asked specifically in order to separate facts from opinions.

When a person says, "I believe..." that is an opinion. While I totally respect your opinion, what I am trying to find out is if what LucyLawless said regarding physical evidence presented was accurate. And if it is, then how was the expert testimony about the GSR that she spoke of explained?


Well, I have been attending the trial and have seen testimony for both sides. There was much more GSR on Courtney's right had than what would be consistent with being shot. It has been testified that her GSR pattern is much more consisitent with a shooter than a victim of one gunshot. Her right hand alone had more GSR than the entry wound in her head. This is even more consistent with firing the rifle REPEATEDLY and there were 7 rounds shot in her daughter's room. Her body was covered including all of her clothes and undergarments. She was not on "MySpace" innocently when she was shot, she was chopping her hair off with a steak knife, something she had done before. I won't go into the gruesome details out of respect to the families. There were 2 very different shooters in that apt that night and it is obvious. One did it out of impulse and one out of uncontrollable rage. Given her track record of mental instability and violent outbursts, I 100% believe she killed Anika and Bones.

So if, for example, if you tell me that yes, LucyLawless was accurate with her information, but it was proved that Courtney shot the gun repeatedly for some reason earlier, say, she fires shots in the air in celebration (which unfortunately, people do) or had been shooting targets or something, THEN you will have answered my question. If you tell me that you Lucy's information was inaccurate, THEN you have answered my question. As of now, I am still looking for the answer to this question.

[Jerri Blank]

I don't know what all is going on in this thread but I just read this article:
Allgood gets 75 years for murder
http://galvestondailynews.com/story/231954

And all I felt was a 'twinge' of joy in my little heart that this chump won't be seeing the outside of a prison in pretty much forever. yay

[Rockin Ma]

He was afraid of the ass wiping he was about to receive and he pulled the knife

Poor Nogood has no knife now. Hope the inmates wipe him good!

[Dont Needtosay]

Poor Nogood has no knife now. Hope the inmates wipe him good!

Ha ha... I didn't check my response for accuracy. Good catch. I also used "to" instead of "too," but that wouldn't have made as clever of a funny. ;)

[CRR]

CRR, please re-read my post. I am not defending Chris nor doubting the jury. I am trying to understand in my mind, how things went down that night. My questions were asked specifically in order to separate facts from opinions.

When a person says, "I believe..." that is an opinion. While I totally respect your opinion, what I am trying to find out is if what LucyLawless said regarding physical evidence presented was accurate. And if it is, then how was the expert testimony about the GSR that she spoke of explained?



So if, for example, if you tell me that yes, LucyLawless was accurate with her information, but it was proved that Courtney shot the gun repeatedly for some reason earlier, say, she fires shots in the air in celebration (which unfortunately, people do) or had been shooting targets or something, THEN you will have answered my question. If you tell me that you Lucy's information was inaccurate, THEN you have answered my question. As of now, I am still looking for the answer the this question.

I read it and explained why I disregard HER claim. I can't really believe that she was there to begin with. I know Courtney's family and I know her best friends that were there. One of whom was there the whole trial. I never heard anything Lucy claims. I am trying to find a video I saw explaining the GSR and the expert saying it was consistent with a victim and not a shooter. Also I don't believe you will get an answer from Lucy.

[CRR]

seekthetruth
http://www.ksat.com/video/27875684/index.html

Maybe this will help.

[seekthetruth]

I read it and explained why I disregard HER claim. I can't really believe that she was there to begin with. I know Courtney's family and I know her best friends that were there. One of whom was there the whole trial. I never heard anything Lucy claims. I am trying to find a video I saw explaining the GSR and the expert saying it was consistent with a victim and not a shooter. Also I don't believe you will get an answer from Lucy.

That's what I was trying to find out. If what she said was in the trial was accurate. I appreciate that you are willing to share what you learn. I realize, when reading something without hearing tone of voice, the intent can easily be misunderstood. Please know that if ever I question something that you say, either I am unclear of your meaning or think you may have been unclear on mine. I mean no disrespect.

As I said, I have faith in the jury. They saw and heard it all. I have only have media reports and what people say on threads like this. I am just trying to resolve some "loose ends" in my mind. At this point it's kind of like I missed the middle of a mystery/crime drama. You are very kind to bear with me.

[seekthetruth]

seekthetruth
http://www.ksat.com/video/27875684/index.html

Maybe this will help.

I did see this report. I guess I just don't know enough about how guns work. I have never been anywhere near one being shot. I was under the impression that there were two different kinds of gun powder residue. One from the barrel and one from the area right above the trigger, I don't even know what that part is called. I will have to read up on it.

I do appreciate you posting the link. Now I won't have to go looking for after I research the subject. :smile2:

[CRR]

. I realize, when reading something without hearing tone of voice, the intent can easily be misunderstood.

Haha yeah I can understand that! It kind of goes with what I said earlier. You type something out knowing what it means but forgetting others might not know. You never offended me. I could see where there was a misunderstanding.

[CRR]

I did see this report. I guess I just don't know enough about how guns work. I have never been anywhere near one being shot. I was under the impression that there were two different kinds of gun powder residue. One from the barrel and one from the area right above the trigger, I don't even know what that part is called. I will have to read up on it.

I do appreciate you posting the link. Now I won't have to go looking for after I research the subject. :smile2:

Yeah I honestly don't know much about GSR myself. I didn't know you could get some on you just standing near one that was shot. With it being a big weapon I guess it doesn't surprise me though. I've never shot anything bigger than a small Remington shotgun. And that was once and I had a bruise on my shoulder afterwards.

[MandaMalice]

04-11-00358-CR Christopher Allgood v. The State of Texas–Appeal from 290th Judicial District Court of Bexar County (http://texascriminalslipopinions.bennettandbennett.com/?p=35559)

ALLGOOD v. STATE (http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=In%20TXCO%2020120829659.xml&docbase=CSLWAR3-2007-CURR)

[MandaMalice]

Finally, witnesses testified there was not just one shot, but a shot and then a series of shots. This evidence supports an inference that several shots were fired in the apartment-one to kill Gass and then several others to kill the other two victims who were in the other room. And, it refutes Allgood's claim that Gass shot the two other victims, put down the gun, and then came at him with a knife.

< Sarcasm >
ZOMG! Yeah, it would make so much since to put the gun down then go after him with a knife...
</ Sarcasm >


As for Allgood's contention that he shot Gass by accident, that the gun just "went off" when he flinched, a firearms expert testified the trigger on the firearm used to kill Gass required a relatively heavy pull on the trigger to fire. This claim of accident is also inconsistent with the other story told by Allgood to the detective, i.e., that he shot Gass in self-defense. A reasonable juror could have rejected Allgood's contention that the gun accidentally discharged.

Wow, so he accidently shot her in self-defense?

[Zibarro]

My thoughts exactly! Gass is gonna shoot her male friend and her CHILD - but come after this fuckwad with a knife?? Uh huh... sure she is =/

But just in case you don't believe that - let's add "Even though I was in fear for my life - I didn't *mean* to fire the rifle!" ... just for good measure.

She's a ninja - that's how she did this. He (the one seen walking around the complex with the rifle all night) went into the apartment, Gass yanked the gun from him shot her friend (in the head), shot her daughter (in the head), dropped the gun, grabbed a knife, came after Allgood (who apparently watched the whole thing go down) -- then (Allgood) proceeded to retrieve the dropped gun and fire on Gass before she could get to him -- and Gass landed by the desk, oddly positioned as if she'd been there the whole time -- with the *wrong* knife in proximity to her body! After, Allgood was so shaken by this series of events that he called 911 immediately ... oh, wait ... no he didn't. He proceeded to walk around the complex holding the rifle and fighting off the very people who he *could have* asked for help.

There is no limit to this moron's fucktardedness. Thank you Appeals Court for getting this one right!

[MandaMalice]

There is no limit to this moron's fucktardedness. Thank you Appeals Court for getting this one right!

RIGHT!

Cause if he tried to prove that SHE was trying to kill him by bring up past police reports, then why didn't she shoot him FIRST?!?

I did find the gun shot residue info very interesting. The fact that she had allot on the side of her body were she was shot makes since, but why did she have more on her (on one side of her body) than he did on his whole body? (Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong on that) I wonder if the police looked to see if he changed clothes? Cause I believe he was found outside with just shorts on? (Again, correct me if I'm wrong) but I've always had a feeling that he shot the gun off in the parking lot as a way to throw off the GSR tests. So he could say "Well, of course I have gun shot residue on me! I fired the gun in the parking lot! But that doesn't mean I shot THEM!" Does anyone know if more GSR is left on the victim than the shooter?

I do believe that Bones didn't come there with the plan to take Courtney & the baby away from there. Only because of his actions that night. If he knew that she wanted to leave, then he would also know Allgood wouldn't take it very well. So I really doubt he would have had a few drinks & laid down. I really think if he did go there with the that plan, it would have ended on a much better note. I think she was planning to leave, Allgood had a feeling she was gonna leave & jumped to his own conclusions. But I also think, with out a doubt, if Courtney asked him to help her leave after he got there, he would have. No matter if he had other plans. And that's why Allgood shot him.

Now, I've heard a few rumors about his families history of mental health issues (I'm not going to say just what there were because I have seen no proof of if it's true or not & believe it or not, I do respect their right to not have lies spread about the family) But I do wonder if they are true. Because if they ARE he would have had a much better chance of trying to pled "Temporary Insanity" if he was able to use it as evidence. Because if half of what I've heard is true, I would explain why he is such a psycho.

Still is NOT an excuse for what he did!

Wondering if he will be tried for the other murders. Because if he was found guilty of her death & it wasn't "self defense", then it pretty much says he is guilty of ALL of the deaths.

[Zibarro]

I did find the gun shot residue info very interesting. The fact that she had allot on the side of her body were she was shot makes since, but why did she have more on her (on one side of her body) than he did on his whole body? (Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong on that) I wonder if the police looked to see if he changed clothes? Cause I believe he was found outside with just shorts on? (Again, correct me if I'm wrong) but I've always had a feeling that he shot the gun off in the parking lot as a way to throw off the GSR tests. So he could say "Well, of course I have gun shot residue on me! I fired the gun in the parking lot! But that doesn't mean I shot THEM!" Does anyone know if more GSR is left on the victim than the shooter?

Copied from http://www.firearmsid.com/A_distanceGSR.htm:

The further gunshot residues travel from the muzzle, the broader and less concentrated the pattern becomes. Because the various elements included in gunshot residues are very small and lack mass they lose their energy rapidly. The muzzle-to-garment distance can vary considerably depending on the firearm and type of ammunition being used. Short-barreled firearms and lower velocity cartridges will not normally expel residues as far as a high velocity rifle. At shorter distances however, they may deposit greater concentrations of gunshot residues. Also, gunpowder can come in several forms such as ball, flake, disc, and others. Ball powder being spherical in shape is more aerodynamic than say a particle of flake gunpowder and as a result will travel farther. A number of other variables can influence the amount of gunshot residues that may reach a target; therefore, it is essential that the firearm and ammunition used in the shooting incident be recovered.


He used the AR 15 rifle, so he didn't have to be up close and personal (or give her a snowballs chance in hell of fleeing) I think she never knew what hit her. He could have fired from 5 feet away and that would explain why the residue was scattered down the side of her body the bullet impacted. My curiosity lies in why she was a one shot deal - and the other 2 were multiple shot victims... very strange, considering *she* was the apparent "prime target". As for him, since he fired a high velocity rifle - the largest concentration of residue would have been on his face, neck and hair - with very little on his hands.

*(First picture shows where residue deposits on shooter with AR 15)*

http://books.google.com/books?id=av1RSleUnFcC&lpg=PA64&ots=VPwCdu_rz3&dq=gunshot%20residue%20from%20an%20ar%2015&pg=PA64#v=onepage&q=gunshot%20residue%20from%20an%20ar%2015&f=false


Wondering if he will be tried for the other murders. Because if he was found guilty of her death & it wasn't "self defense", then it pretty much says he is guilty of ALL of the deaths.

I highly doubt they will put out the expense of trying him for the other 2 murders.

I found an interesting article while researching his case today. It's from last year - but because I'd been re-reading the posts here, this really stood out. Why? Because these same words were spoken by a poster back when this thread was super active and super heated - and now I read the same words from Chris Allgood's stepmother, Amy:


Allgood's exes were all exaggerating or outright lying, his stepmother testified Monday. Gass was a “horrible mother” who was severely bipolar, addicted to Vicodin and never seemed to make a connection with their baby, Amy Allgood said.
“He loved (Anika).” Amy Allgood said, repeating the defense's earlier contention that her son shot Gass in self-defense after she killed their daughter and friend. “She was a daddy's girl.”
The defendant's aunt and a former band member gave similar descriptions of Allgood's and Gass' parenting skills.


Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Women-testifyto-killer-s-violence-1382157.php#ixzz259eRr2fr

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I am not quite sure what you mean by "back it up" but I will say that this whole situation is terrible and should have never happened. Courtney had serious issues since as far as I remember. She received disability checks because her bipolar was so severe. She had an older daughter that she was unfit to care for, that for whatever reason was neglectful, whether drugs or mental illness was the key factor. I guess according to some, people enter sainthood when they pass away, but some things are never forgotten. Courtney was in fact violent at times, neglectful at times, resentful at times, and suicidal at times. No one is perfect, but as an observer I would have to assume there is obviously something, or lack of something that is keeping away additional charges. The blaming of parents and others in this thread is nothing short of pathetic. All the "cover up" conspiracy theories is a stretch to believe to say the least. If he did it, which I don't personally believe, then he is responsible for his own actions. BOTH had assault charges in the past, BOTH had weapons charges in the past. Obviously Courtney's ability to be apart from and disconnected from her other daughter is a small indication of mental illness that had somehow kept her from fully embracing a maternal instinct.


Does the fact that the Sate of Texas deemed her unable to work because of her VERY severe bipolar disorder not strike you as odd???

her bipolar disorder was so severe

I think her often untreated illness and past drug use prevented her from truely establishing a maternal bond.

I just think it's all too similar to ignore. Ta think.. all this time, we may have had an actual family member posting *sigh*

Sorry for such a lonnnng post!! So much to say! lol

[MandaMalice]

THANK YOU! Very helpful info!

I think he killed Courtney while she was just goofing off on the computer. I'm also a would-be photographer (Like she was) & will spend hours at my desk editing & review my photos while be zoned out of the world around. I agree. She never new what hit her.
I think maybe fear caused the others to be shot so many times. Maybe he worried Bones would wake up & see what he did? Or he felt like Bones was going to help her leave him, he might have also felt betrayed. The baby I believe (Please, correct me if I'm wrong) was first shot in the arm/hand then shot in the head. Maybe there was a small part of "human" in him that cause him to be off his mark with the first shot. So he had to shoot her again to make sure. It was said in court that it looked as if she was awake and raised her arm to defend herself. I think maybe she was doing like my kids did when they where that little. If they woke up & saw me standing over their bed they would pull their arms up around their head so I could pick them up under the arms.



I highly doubt they will put out the expense of trying him for the other 2 murders.


But one of those murders was for a baby. And in Texas, that is "Capital Murder": http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_does_Texas_define_1st_degree_murder
Hard to see them passing that up.



I just think it's all too similar to ignore. Ta think.. all this time, we may have had an actual family member posting *sigh*


Someone told me that they believed those post were by his Aunt (Mother's Sister) :rolleyes2:

Thanks again for the info!

[Zibarro]

I think maybe fear caused the others to be shot so many times. Maybe he worried Bones would wake up & see what he did? Or he felt like Bones was going to help her leave him, he might have also felt betrayed. The baby I believe (Please, correct me if I'm wrong) was first shot in the arm/hand then shot in the head. Maybe there was a small part of "human" in him that cause him to be off his mark with the first shot. So he had to shoot her again to make sure. It was said in court that it looked as if she was awake and raised her arm to defend herself. I think maybe she was doing like my kids did when they where that little. If they woke up & saw me standing over their bed they would pull their arms up around their head so I could pick them up under the arms.

Shooting Bones in the *back* of the head 4 times with a high powered rifle... (until, as one account I read stated - "his face was gone") was extreme overkill. As for the baby - when I read that he shot her in the arm first, I read the description to say (paraphrasing here) "as if she had her arm up to shield herself". That could mean from him - or the light. Remember, it was the middle of the night and he probably would have had to flip a light on. Her arm was likely up to shield her eyes from the light (across her face/eyes) when he began shooting - and the bullet passed thru her arm - into her head - and he kept on firing approx. 3 more times. I believe he didn't shoot any of them at close range. With Bones and Anika, I see him standing in the doorways shooting till he's satisfied they aren't getting up. So ... not "human" at all. 100% cowardly animal. But until he confesses and tells "why", I will always be perplexed by his decision to "only" shoot Courtney once - while shooting the others 4 times each. The only explanation I can come up with is that he possibly checked for a pulse on his way to the bedrooms to eliminate potential witnesses.

I have to wonder what drugs were in his system that night. He walked around with the gun for a while before he shot them (and no one seems to have thought this was off the wall enough to call the police?!) Then to shoot all 3 of them with a noisy rifle (someone was going to hear that - however, still -no one called the "actual" cops - just security) He definitely comes across as one of the dumbest criminals in history. He had no story ready - did he not think they'd discover the bodies?? His behavior before, during and after the murders just seems more off the wall than most. *sigh* I just don't know. What I *do* know is that all 3 fit the description of pre-meditated - especially Bones and Anika. After shooting Courtney, he had time (even if it was only seconds) to stop the madness and gtfo - but he *chose* to proceed down the hallway to the bedrooms, take aim at and fire upon each of them 4 times. No accident. No heat of the moment. Those 2 especially were conscious, deliberate executions.



But one of those murders was for a baby. And in Texas, that is "Capital Murder": http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_does_Texas_define_1st_degree_murder
Hard to see them passing that up.

I hope you're right. I know Bones' mother wants her justice - she was at Allgood's trial every day. She's been pretty vocal about wanting to see Allgood tried for her son's murder. However - if they want to get him for Capitol Murder on Anika - they'd have to give him 2 more trials (instead of combining them) and I can't see that happening. I think they should "settle" for whatever they can get by trying him for the 2 together. He got 75 years for Courtney (even though TX max is 60) and is eligible for parole in 30. If they can get him for these 2 combined - and make sure it's added to the END of the first sentence - he won't ever get out.




Someone told me that they believed those post were by his Aunt (Mother's Sister) :rolleyes2:

Still - a family member - damn it! lol



Thanks again for the info!

You're very welcome. If there's one thing I love to do - it's research. =)

[MandaMalice]

Remember, it was the middle of the night and he probably would have had to flip a light on. Her arm was likely up to shield her eyes from the light (across her face/eyes) when he began shooting - and the bullet passed thru her arm - into her head - and he kept on firing approx. 3 more times.
Never thought about him turning on the light! The police who were first on scene said the only light in the room was coming from the tv. Didn't think that he could have turned in on, them off. Good catch on that!

The baby was shot twice:

It was the guy that the upstairs neighbor called the first time Chris was outside with the gun. He testified hearing one shot come from downstairs, and seconds later heard 4 or 5 more shots.

This makes sense seeing as Courtney was shot once in the head, at a downward angle. She was sitting at the computer at the time. Then he goes to the back bedroom, shooting Kevin in the back of the head four times. Then turning the gun on Anika, her more than likely awake and looking at him, shoots her in the arm, it exiting into her head. Then shoots her directly in the face.
I think he shot her the second time because he wasn't sure the first shot did the job.



I have to wonder what drugs were in his system that night. He walked around with the gun for a while before he shot them (and no one seems to have thought this was off the wall enough to call the police?!) Then to shoot all 3 of them with a noisy rifle (someone was going to hear that - however, still -no one called the "actual" cops - just security)
I'm not sure about him, but I know her toxic screen was clean. Also, best guess is since it was 4th of July, the gun shots may have been mistaken for fire works.


What I *do* know is that all 3 fit the description of pre-meditated - especially Bones and Anika. After shooting Courtney, he had time (even if it was only seconds) to stop the madness and gtfo - but he *chose* to proceed down the hallway to the bedrooms, take aim at and fire upon each of them 4 times. No accident. No heat of the moment. Those 2 especially were conscious, deliberate executions.
Agree.


I hope you're right. I know Bones' mother wants her justice - she was at Allgood's trial every day. She's been pretty vocal about wanting to see Allgood tried for her son's murder.
I was so impressed by her during the news interviews! I do NOT think she is gonna let this drop.



Still - a family member - damn it! lol
YUP! And a very obvious. Definitely not a skilled troll.



You're very welcome. If there's one thing I love to do - it's research. =)
Ahh! You sound like me! My OCPD brain LIVES for FACTS!