Chris Allgood arrested in triple homicide, including his 2-year-old daughter

[talwrite]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Murder-suspect-blames-girlfriend-killed-in-triple-1376235.php

“I did not kill them,” Allgood responded.


After a night of heavy drinking, and after the shock of what happened, anyone could easily get confused and twisted and hazy, during a six hour police interrogation. He may have stated different things, but he always says he did not do it.

[talwrite]

It could just be the way my search is but I searched Christopher Allgood and gunshot residue and got this:

However I can't find it, but it is somewhere in the thread, so I'm sure there's a link in here somewhere. The link pulls up this thread, only in archive form.



It didn't pull up as archive when I searched just now. I think you're search results found page 2, post 39 of this same message board. It's not revealing anything...

"Police tell us gunshot residue tests on both Courtney Gass and Allgood should reveal the truth."

[Justice4CAB]

The gunshot residue was confirmed on all three victims that it came from the end of the rifle where the bullet comes out. It was burnt which means it came out behind the bullets, and not the other end, that would be on the shooter. Any gun shot powder had already disipated that would have been on him. There are a couple of more witnesses for the DA tomorrow and the prosecution is expected to rest...

[Toxic]

Even an idiot can tell you that a gunshot victim will have gunshot residue on them...especially if they were shot in the close proximinity of an apartment

[MandaMalice]

talwrite -

Again, I wonder how long you have known Allgood and your age.

Not because I think that you are "Too Young To Know Better" or something like that.

(I believe that I'm even younger than Allgood)

It's just many of his long time "friends" and people who have known him growing up, never doubted that he did it.

Not just because they know of his arrest record. They have known of things he was never arrested for.

My older brother and his friends are now in their mid 30s. They grew up with Bones. (Even our Mom remembers 'Bones' fondly) They have played music together for years. I remember Allgood being in bands that played with my brother and his friends bands in the early 90's. (Some of the photos Allgood has on his MySpace page are ones I took at some of those shows) People that have lived in and own a homes on the same street that his parents.

I've heard this from people that have known him for around 20 years.

They don't think he did it, they know he did it

[Justice4CAB]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Murder-suspect-blames-girlfriend-killed-in-triple-1376235.php

[talwrite]

I doubt seriously that she planned to move away from him. She loved him. She may have told her mom she was moving and might have talked it over with Dawn, but Courtney was like that. She'd make plans but not always go through with them.

And IF she did plan to move, he would have let her. He has kicked her out on a prior occasion, when Anika was just a baby, so doubt it would be a problem for him to see her go again.

I have heard other police interrogations in which the suspect denies they did it. It's obviously they are lying, because of their body language. Plus they answer a question with a question. They also state something totally out of sync with the conversation. I watched one recently of a mother accused of killing her 3 small children. She was so out of sync with the detective, made my head spin.

Chris is in shock, but he stays in sync with the detective. Chris says he didn't do it. I believe him.

People around here are just quick to judge. Everyone seems to be a bunch of haters.

[Justice4CAB]

Seems the witness that testified heard one shot (Courtney shot one time) and seconds later 4 or 5 more shots. How could she have killed them if possibly she was shot first?

Chris also told detectives that he wasnt there, didnt know who did it, or if they were even dead.

[MandaMalice]

Seems the witness that testified heard one shot (Courtney shot one time) and seconds later 4 or 5 more shots. How could she have killed them if possibly she was shot first?

Chris also told detectives that he wasnt there, didnt know who did it, or if they were even dead.

Also, wasn't he seen outside with the gun before the shooting even started? So how did she get the gun away from him so quickly? And what was he doing while she was shooting everyone?

Yeah, he was just sitting on the couch, waiting for his turn to use the gun. So when she was done, she just handed the gun over to Allgood, said "Give me a sec to up date my MySpace real quick" and she let him shoot her in the head?

His story does not match what was testified about the number of shots heard and the number of shoots fired into each victim.

Sorry Talwrite, even trying to look at it like I don't have the outside info that I have, it's still hard to buy what he is selling.



Chris is in shock, but he stays in sync with the detective. Chris says he didn't do it. I believe him.


To me, it's not an issue of Allgood thinking he is guilty, but if he thinks it's "His Fault". I be he thinks it was all Courtney's fault to begin with, so he is shocked that they are even blaming him.

[talwrite]

witnesses can be coerced. by either side.
happens all the time.
i find it odd that the guard caught chris, and then one or two hours later, the police were called back to find the bodies. i am too afraid to say what i really want to say about that.

[walkingeagle]

I doubt seriously that she planned to move away from him. She loved him. She may have told her mom she was moving and might have talked it over with Dawn, but Courtney was like that. She'd make plans but not always go through with them.

And IF she did plan to move, he would have let her. He has kicked her out on a prior occasion, when Anika was just a baby, so doubt it would be a problem for him to see her go again.

You could say the very same thing for millions of victims!

I have heard other police interrogations in which the suspect denies they did it. It's obviously they are lying, because of their body language. Plus they answer a question with a question. They also state something totally out of sync with the conversation. I watched one recently of a mother accused of killing her 3 small children. She was so out of sync with the detective, made my head spin.

Chris is in shock, but he stays in sync with the detective. Chris says he didn't do it. I believe him.

Being in sync with the detective makes less sense when you throw shock into the game! A person in shock may mumble crazy, off the wall stuff.

People around here are just quick to judge. Everyone seems to be a bunch of haters. We have seen this stuff time and again! There may be an occasion or three, where one or more of us take the wrong stand, but that is rare!

[walkingeagle]

witnesses can be coerced. by either side.
happens all the time.
i find it odd that the guard caught chris, and then one or two hours later, the police were called back to find the bodies. i am too afraid to say what i really want to say about that.Come on out with it! Do you think the guard was a conspirator in this?

[talwrite]

Come on out with it! Do you think the guard was a conspirator in this?

nope

[walkingeagle]

I'll not needle the news from you Dick! (Pete will know where this came from!)

[MandaMalice]

witnesses can be coerced. by either side.
happens all the time.


I would definitely agree with you on this if it had happen in Texas City. I just don't think none of them (Especially Courtney) lived there long enough to make "friends" with people that would be willing to go to JAIL by lying for them.

Hell, I wouldn't be willing to go to jail for lying for the friends I've had since grade school! (Well, maybe one! And she knows why!)

I just don't see them willing to do that for people they have known for a few months. Witnesses are made fully aware of what WILL happen to them if they lie.

And how can you be so willing to think THEY are lying but not think Allgood could lie?


witnesses can be coerced. by either side.
happens all the time.
i find it odd that the guard caught chris, and then one or two hours later, the police were called back to find the bodies. i am too afraid to say what i really want to say about that.

Well, the only time it was know for sure that Allgood wasn't in the apartment was after the police where called. Too bad for him he had the gun on him, cause then he could have said she did after he left.

[Mare]

I don't get the animosity towards talwrite. Really, I don't. Tal is presenting a different point of view. Courtney wasn't a saint; Chris wasn't a saint. I don't know enough about the case to offer my opinion on it but from the little I read, neither of them seemed very stable.

Quitting drugs and turning a life around is probably one of the hardest things to do and having a child generally does not trigger that (thank you unused psych degrees). As for killing a child, usually there isn't any justification and oftentimes it is hard to say what the trigger was (you know, whichever C did that).

Finally, for Chris' famly pulling string to get him out of trouble. Really? Have none you been reading this site? Pedophiles get probation, child-killers time served and you all are surprised that a white boy, who I am sure looked clean cut and was respectful in court, would not be sentenced to any time for domestic violence or assault? Or whatever it was Chris was charged with? Frankly, his criminal record did not impress me. I expected something horrific (like attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, sodomy and rape).

[walkingeagle]

I don't think I have been venomous at all here! I may be wrong, and please point it out to me if I am! I'm only asking questions!

[talwrite]

i didn't specify which witnesses. some people are attention whores and want to be in on the action, so to speak.

and a lot of our towns here in texas are so backwards, one has to wonder

[MandaMalice]

Being in sync with the detective makes less sense when you throw shock into the game! A person in shock may mumble crazy, off the wall stuff.


WORD!

Again, talwrite, it's gotta work both ways. If the witness can be lying, than so could Allgood. If he was in shock, then maybe he shouldn't have been so quick thinking about making his story match what the police found.

SA man accused in one-third of triple slaying faces trial (http://site.ninjacops.com/blog/8024/sa-man-accused-in-one-third-of-triple-slaying-faces-trial/)



Eventually, after a detective revealed that a knife was found next to Gass’ body, Allgood acknowledged firing the weapon, prosecutors said. He shot in self defense after Gass unfolded a hunting knife and lunged at him, he told police. However, it was a steak knife that was found by her side, prosecutors said.




I don't get the animosity towards talwrite. Really, I don't. Tal is presenting a different point of view.


Just to make it clear, I have no animosity towards ANYONE just because of their opinion! But I do have allot of problems with the REASONING behind it.

And that goes for ANY topic. If ANYONE wants to argue "their side", I'm more than happy to hear it. But that does give me the right to question why they think or feel that way.



Frankly, his criminal record did not impress me. I expected something horrific (like attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, sodomy and rape).

From what I understand, allot of his behavior was covered up or never reported. Meaning, not just having him plead down, (Like "assault with a deadly weapon" being dropped to "terrorist threats") but people being talked out of or being to scared to follow through.

One of those "I can promise he'll never bother you again if you drop all charges. Cause you really don't wanna have to go to court anyways. And tell all those people what happened again and again" kind of thing.

Which is very common in domestic abuse because it's embarrassing and they just want it to go away.

So most of the time, you never know just how "bad" the history really is.

I have experienced someone being viciously abused for over five years. Never once did the victim file one report. They did find out that the former wife was ALSO beaten. Never filing a report. And to this day, I do not know of this man EVER being charge with the battery of anyone.

[talwrite]

I don't get the animosity towards talwrite. Really, I don't. Tal is presenting a different point of view. Courtney wasn't a saint; Chris wasn't a saint. I don't know enough about the case to offer my opinion on it but from the little I read, neither of them seemed very stable.

Quitting drugs and turning a life around is probably one of the hardest things to do and having a child generally does not trigger that (thank you unused psych degrees). As for killing a child, usually there isn't any justification and oftentimes it is hard to say what the trigger was (you know, whichever C did that).

Finally, for Chris' famly pulling string to get him out of trouble. Really? Have none you been reading this site? Pedophiles get probation, child-killers time served and you all are surprised that a white boy, who I am sure looked clean cut and was respectful in court, would not be sentenced to any time for domestic violence or assault? Or whatever it was Chris was charged with? Frankly, his criminal record did not impress me. I expected something horrific (like attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, sodomy and rape).

I don't understand the animosity either. I can't even stoop to that level. I tried but all I could get out was pointing out a typo. I am starting to get the feeling that one person in particular makes a lot of stuff up.

Thank you Mare. At least YOU see I'm simply presenting a different opinon. It's funny you mention pysch degree, because I am looking at this from a psychological viewpoint. I watch his facial expression and hear what he says. I've read a lot of Courtney's writings over the years. That's where I formed my basis for my opinion.

I agree with what you wrote about quitting drugs and turning a life around. In addition to her addiction, Courtney also had bipolar disorder. No one really understands either problem. They think a person just goes to rehab or takes meds and presto they're cured. Not so. I've been studying the disorder since I first read about this, and it's heartbreaking to know that people fight this. They can have the sweetest most-giving personality at times, but then they can start the rapid cycling and spiral downwards.

Courtney should have never been with a guy like Chris. She needed to be with someone that is very stable and strong. But she was, and she loved him.

People say that about his family because his dad was a former cop in texas city. they think he has pull - not so. i too am not that quick to judge him based on his record. Courtney has one too.

Apparently closing arguments are scheduled to start tomorrow.

[MandaMalice]

i didn't specify which witnesses. some people are attention whores and want to be in on the action, so to speak.

and a lot of our towns here in texas are so backwards, one has to wonder

But again, if you think it's possible for prosecution's witnesses to be lying, then why not the defense too?

To me, I would definitely agree that there was a chance of liying if this trial was happening in Texas City.

It's just seem less likely since these people are not life long friends or have to worry about "what everyone else in town will think".

[talwrite]

But again, if you think it's possible for prosecution's witnesses to be lying, then why not the defense too?

To me, I would definitely agree that there was a chance of liying if this trial was happening in Texas City.

It's just seem less likely since these people are not life long friends or have to worry about "what everyone else in town will think".

I'll repeat, some people lie to be attention whores. That's why they'd want to be witnesses.

What witnesses did Chris have? Do you know?

[walkingeagle]

I agree with what you wrote about quitting drugs and turning a life around. In addition to her addiction, Courtney also had bipolar disorder. No one really understands either problem. They think a person just goes to rehab or takes meds and presto they're cured. Not so. I've been studying the disorder since I first read about this, and it's heartbreaking to know that people fight this. They can have the sweetest most-giving personality at times, but then they can start the rapid cycling and spiral downwards. Have you ever faced a problem of that nature? I don't understand how you can claim to have studied up on this and are knowing anything about either problem! You can read books all day long, but without facing that trouble yourself, you will never be able to see how bad things really get!

While I have to agree that there is no magic bullet to cure anything of this nature, the answer won't be in any textbook! It is inside the individual and the person the find to help them overcome the problem(s)!

[talwrite]

From what I understand, allot of his behavior was covered up or never reported. Meaning, not just having him plead down, (Like "assault with a deadly weapon" being dropped to "terrorist threats")

and here i thought Terrorist Threat charge seems more serious than AWADW.

[talwrite]

A good defense attorney, especially in a case such as this one, would cost over $250,000. The fact that they are not paying this money speaks nothing to whether they believe Chris to be guilty or not; I would think it has more to do with the cost.

It does not make sense from an monetary perspective as the county where this is happening is probably spending about $2.3 mil on this one trial.

thanks for the information here. i was surprised to see that dollar amount - very high. i've read too somewhere that death penalty cases, which would apply in this case due to Anika's age, are very costly plus they have rights to appeal. makes one wonder why DA didn't just go for it, if they were so certain.

[talwrite]

Seems the witness that testified heard one shot (Courtney shot one time) and seconds later 4 or 5 more shots.

was this the upstairs neighbor? do you know?

[talwrite]

Have you ever faced a problem of that nature? I don't understand how you can claim to have studied up on this and are knowing anything about either problem! You can read books all day long, but without facing that trouble yourself, you will never be able to see how bad things really get!

While I have to agree that there is no magic bullet to cure anything of this nature, the answer won't be in any textbook! It is inside the individual and the person the find to help them overcome the problem(s)!

Do people just NOT know how to read (or write) anymore? Or am I writing over their heads? Maybe both.

[MandaMalice]

It's funny you mention pysch degree, because I am looking at this from a psychological viewpoint. I watch his facial expression and hear what he says. I've read a lot of Courtney's writings over the years. That's where I formed my basis for my opinion.


At one time I wanted to work with troubled youth and did a great deal of studying on psychology of what can make "kids go bad", of the heredity of mental illness and cycle of violence.

So, I too am not just pulling my thoughts out of my ass.

I may not have anything close to a degree

(And MAD "props" to Mare on that!!!!! That shit is HARD to due even without dyslexia)

but I still find it hard to understand why talwrite can dissmiss some much of Allgood's "red flags" but not Courtneys.


I'll repeat, some people lie to be attention whores. That's why they'd want to be witnesses.


But you really have to think about the fact that they are made VERY AWARE of the punishments for lying under oath.

And is not in way just a "threat". If he is found guilty, only to get off later because a witness LIED, don't think for one minute the D.A. wouldn't come after them and said as much to them be for they took the stand.


Have you ever faced a problem of that nature? I don't understand how you can claim to have studied up on this and are knowing anything about either problem! You can read books all day long, but without facing that trouble yourself, you will never be able to see how bad things really get!


Again, WORD!

Having lived with a family history of these things, but being able to "Break The Cycle" is why I wanted to work with others in the same "trap"



and here i thought Terrorist Threat charge seems more serious than AWADW.

Nah, that ain't shit. I got charge with "Terrorist Threats" in high school for making PRANK CALLS!

True story - Since my dumb ass was 18 (And forgetful of CALLER ID) I had to spend a night in jail "to teach me a lesson". Later when my Hubby was a cop he would joke "don't worry, we have a really nice jail here! My wife has even spent the night in it"

[walkingeagle]

Do people just NOT know how to read (or write) anymore? Or am I writing over their heads? Maybe both. Oh, I'm sorry! You are so above everyone!

[talwrite]

Oh, I'm sorry! You are so above everyone!

that is correct.

[MandaMalice]

that is correct.

Friendly word of advice,

I would leave the smart ass comments to the professionals son.

:wink2:

Don't want things to get all "heated" around here again...

[walkingeagle]

In order to avoid a real donkey BBQ, I shall not respond to this!

[Toxic]

Every part of my being wants to reply with a snarky comment about how we all must be stupid and good ol' talwrite is DDs resident albert fuckin einstein......



But im not gonna stoop to his level...

[talwrite]

Sarcasm. I'm very good at it. You gals seem to have really gotten all defensive over one little ol reply I made in jest.

Hmmm. Wonder Why That Is.

[Toxic]

Awwww...thats so cute! You think something you said made me all asshurt dont you?

I just said that because I think its hilarious that you think youre smarter than everyone here.
but hey, when you exaust all your energy supporting a babykiller, you gotta have something to take to bed, right?

[Toxic]

Ugh...i totally got sucked in again! Youre like a whirlpool of negativity! Unless there is breaking news from MandaMalice, im not looking at this thread anymore. Im beginning to sound lika a high school cheerleader

[talwrite]

Anyone know if the Defense presented any witnesses?

[walkingeagle]

Ugh...i totally got sucked in again! Youre like a whirlpool of negativity! Unless there is breaking news from MandaMalice, im not looking at this thread anymore. Im beginning to sound lika a high school cheerleader Please don't forget to mention Justice here! Seems to be a courtroom insider!

[talwrite]

I was about to say the same thing. Justice4CAB seems to have the inside track.

[Toxic]

Youre right! Sorry justice4cab!

[talwrite]

http://www.ksat.com/news/27873224/detail.html

[MandaMalice]

Video link:

http://www.ksat.com/video/27875684/index.html

[MandaMalice]

I am starting to get the feeling that one person in particular makes a lot of stuff up.


Oh really? WHO then? Cause if you think it's me, than your reading sucks as bad as my spelling! I have made it a point NOT to post just random rumors unless I have a link/comment to back up want ever it is.

AND even some "Allgood Supporters" have BACKED UP things that I even referred to as RUMORS:


Oh really,
Than can you tell me if what I've heard about his new tattoo is true??



Who hasn't heard about his tattoo??? And your point is??



Well, then tell me this, what INNOCENT GUY GETS THE WORD "Shhhh!" FREAKING TATTOOED DOWN HIS INDEX FINGER WHILE JAIL CHARGED WITH THE MURDER OF HIS GIRLFRIEND?!!??!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the point of this thread & message board is to discuses the FACTS & THEORIES of this case and others.

If you wanna give Allgood your support, great! KNOCK YOURSELF OUT! But this IS NOT the place to do it. You don't see me posting ANY of this on the FaceBook page for Courtney's supporters do you?

You keep acting like you are "Being Attacked" for your opinion, but that's just it, that is all you have brought to the table!

IF YOU THINK HE DID NOT DO IT PLEASE GIVE ME SOMETHING OTHER THAT SAYING "I just don't think he would have..."

That is the ONLY problem I have had with your comments from the start!

You have offered NOTHING of any weight to change my conclusion on this case.




People say that about his family because his dad was a former cop in texas city. they think he has pull - not so. i too am not that quick to judge him based on his record. Courtney has one too.


Like I've said many time over this thread, I have family that work in these fields and I have seen FIRST HAND people doing "Favors" for each other.

MYSELF INCLUDED!

Hell, just I few post back I made a joke about getting in trouble in high school and having to spend a night in jail.

All my "Mamma" had to do was make a few phone calls and those fine officers where HAPPY to let me right out first thing.


Now, I'm in NO WAY saying that ALL JUSTICES SYSTEMS WORK THIS WAY!

But it is NOT uncommon here in this area or any other where people have lived for generations in the same small town.

And AGAIN, I MUST POINT OUT that you have NO PROBLEM saying that "Witnesses" could be dishonest, but think that the defense would do ANYTHING like ask for favors.

Really?

I don't understand WHY you think this is me "just pickin on poor little 'ol you" when you haven't offered ANYTHING to prove your point!


Sarcasm. I'm very good at it. You gals seem to have really gotten all defensive over one little ol reply I made in jest.

Hmmm. Wonder Why That Is.

Again, it's comment like THIS that make me think you must be young.

Listen, this is NOT coming from the "BITCH" said of me, but from the "MOM" side of my brain: No, you are NOT very good at. At least I could sympathize with you when you seemed like a naive "Babe In The Woods" thing. But you keep contradicting yourself!


Well, I'd appreciate it if you refer to me correctly as Talwrite, now that you know. I thought you were being ugly. I don't ever attack or make fun of someone's name or ID.
Like I said in my first post of today, I wish we could stop attacking each other and being ugly and cussing. It's not helping.



One of the side effects of talking shit like that is that you're not taken seriously and your words have no merit. Readers can't get past the immaturity.

Just sayin'


I don't understand the animosity either. I can't even stoop to that level. I tried but all I could get out was pointing out a typo.

But then you posted:


Do people just NOT know how to read (or write) anymore? Or am I writing over their heads? Maybe both.


Sarcasm. I'm very good at it. You gals seem to have really gotten all defensive over one little ol reply I made in jest.

Hmmm. Wonder Why That Is.

You are as inconsistent as Allgood's stories.

Which may explain WHY you have no problem back them.


Now then, what is that is being "Made Up"?

[Rockin Ma]

What the heck is the strategy for only putting him on for one murder? Is it because she's the weakest case and if it fails, they have two more to fall back on since the statute probably doesn't run for many years if at all?

I want to see justice for Anika. I mean, I feel bad for all victims. I feel bad for the other two, but an innocent child who could never have deserved this. Will she get her own individual justice or just ride Courtney's?

I want a jury of his peers to declare he's guilty of murdering his baby daughter!

[Rockin Ma]

talwrite you said you think a witness may be lying? Does this go along with the statement of what you really think but didn't want to say?



i find it odd that the guard caught chris, and then one or two hours later, the police were called back to find the bodies. i am too afraid to say what i really want to say about that.


I'd like to know what you are afraid to say. Did this guard say he chased him away earlier?

[MandaMalice]

What the heck is the strategy for only putting him on for one murder? Is it because she's the weakest case and if it fails, they have two more to fall back on since the statute probably doesn't run for many years if at all?

I want to see justice for Anika. I mean, I feel bad for all victims. I feel bad for the other two, but an innocent child who could never have deserved this. Will she get her own individual justice or just ride Courtney's?

I want a jury of his peers to declare he's guilty of murdering his baby daughter!

I do too!

I HATE what this trial is doing to my friends & loved ones. Just imagine what it's doing to THEIR families. I heard that's why a long time friend of one of the families spoke to the press the other day. Because they just can't take anymore. And if this is just the first trial......

[MandaMalice]

talwrite you said you think a witness may be lying? Does this go along with the statement of what you really think but didn't want to say?





I'd like to know what you are afraid to say. Did this guard say he chased him away earlier?

And this thought or theory would be bring more to the table than "I just don't think he did it..."

[talwrite]

talwrite you said you think a witness may be lying? Does this go along with the statement of what you really think but didn't want to say?
I'd like to know what you are afraid to say. Did this guard say he chased him away earlier?

it has nothing to do with the guard. he did his job and did it well. i won't say anything further on this.
and i don't really say a witness lied. sometimes prosecutors and defense lawyers can and do get people to sway their words just so, to make things sound just right.
just like you all are twisting some of my words around.

i posed several questions earlier, but no one has replied.

so i'll try some more.
for the sake of argument, let's say chris is responsible for all three.

1) what do you think his motive is?
2) why didn't he flee the scene? (or why did he stay there?)
3) why didn't he make a deal with the DA, like confession for a lighter sentence.
4) and if all his friends and her friends think he was such a douche bag, why didn't someone get Courtney and Anika the hell out of there.

i expect that the court will wind up everything tomorrow, jury verdict included.

[MandaMalice]

I am not quite sure what you mean by "back it up"

If you or anyone else believe with out a doubt that he is innocent, it would be helpful if you gave more of a reason than "I don't think he did it".

It would be better if you finished that thought with: "because...."



She received disability checks because her bipolar was so severe.


I've been disability since I was a minor. I can tell you that they just don't hand you the money and send 'ya on your way. You have regular "case review" to make sure you are receiving treatment and are still in need of disability.

If she DID do it there are ALLOT of things that should be addressed:

Now, I'm not sure in her case, but chances are if she was disabled due to a mental illness she would have been treated at Devereux because it's pretty much the only place in this area for anyone in to area to get treatment for mental issues. If she had been in treatment since having her last child, the doctor would have been trying to heavily monitor her. This is of course because this is the same clinic that sent home Yates to her children.

If that was the case, ALL families should be having this investigated because the "safe guards" fail everyone.



Does the fact that the Sate of Texas deemed her unable to work because of her VERY severe bipolar disorder not strike you as odd??? She got disability for it.

That doesn't say anything negative to me. I know many people on S.S.I. do to mental illness. If being mental ill gave people a reason to kill this whole "Prozac Nation" would be dead.



She had an older daughter that she was unfit to care for,


Her first daughter was in fact turned over to her father because Courtney was unfit.


Again, her older child lives with the father. One is not a "Bad Mom" just because their child doesn't live with them. A "Bad Mom" does care if the child is in a good home or not. So unless there was some huge court, legal battle or world war that I have not read or heard about, I just don't see that as a "Bad Parenting" call.



Courtney was in fact violent at times, neglectful at times, resentful at times, and suicidal at times. No one is perfect, but as an observer I would have to assume there is obviously something, or lack of something that is keeping away additional charges.

BOTH had assault charges in the past, BOTH had weapons charges in the past.


Again, you should look into Texas Domestic Abuse laws and how police are told to handle the cases. BOTH PARTIES are charged.

Couple had volatile relationship before shootings (http://galvestondailynews.com/story/140459/)


Court and police records show that in 2006 Allgood was charged with pointing a weapon at another women who would later become his wife. Those charges were dismissed after Debra Kay Clifford told the Galveston County district attorney she did not want charges pursued.

That came about nine months after Clifford was granted a protective order to keep Allgood away from her, Galveston County court documents show.

That was not the only case in which Allgood was accused of pointing a gun at a girlfriend’s head. Texas City police on Tuesday provided The Daily News copies of 11 police reports involving Gass, Allgood or both.

Charges Reduced, Dismissed

In February 2003, Allgood was charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon after he was accused of holding a shotgun to the head of a different woman who was his live-in girlfriend. That charge later was reduced to a misdemeanor charge of terroristic threats. Allgood spent 10 days in the county jail after pleading no contest.

Texas City police records show that in September 2006 both Gass and Allgood were arrested after apparently getting into a fight while in a car. Gass was charged with simple assault.

Allgood was arrested on a warrant for violating the protective order granted to Clifford. Those charges later were dismissed.

Records do not show what came of the charge against Gass. In what appears to be a separate incident, charges against her for unlawfully carrying a weapon three months later were dismissed, County Court No. 3 records show.

In July 2007, Gass filed a report with Texas City police accusing Allgood — whom she called her common-law husband — of shoving her to the ground and slapping her. She didn’t want to pursue charges and just wanted the incident documented, according to reports. There are no records police ever pursued charges in that case.

Two months later, Allgood filed a complaint against Gass accusing her of harassing him through phone calls and text messages. At the time, Allgood told police Gass was his ex-girlfriend.



Violence marked couple's lives (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Violence-marked-couple-s-lives-1365253.php#ixzz1MC6SroA5)

In July 2007, an allegation was made to CPS in Galveston County that Allgood threw a bottle at Gass as she was holding Anika. But when Gass told the CPS caseworker that she and Anika were leaving Allgood to live in a battered women's shelter, the worker closed the case.
Six months later in January 2008, a referral of physical neglect was made. Someone reported that Anika had diaper rash and was dirty and that Gass was addicted to drugs. Caseworkers closed the case after they found minimal diaper rash and Gass voluntarily entered a drug rehabilitation program, which she eventually completed, according to Mary Walker, spokeswoman for CPS' San Antonio region.




In the original articles from July 9, 2009, it says how there were 7 domestic charges between her and Chris, 3 being against him and 4 against her.



That would be pretty consistent with Texas Domestic Abuse laws and how police are told to handle the cases.



The blaming of parents and others in this thread is nothing short of pathetic. All the "cover up" conspiracy theories is a stretch to believe to say the least. If he did it, which I don't personally believe, then he is responsible for his own actions.



Okay, without hearing from many people that his father was able to ask for favors, I would still be suspicious of why he was pick up, arrested or charge with so many assaults with and without weapons and nothing ever came of it?

Like I said before, in Texas, it can be up to the court not the victim to proceed with charges. And the fact that never happened does worry me because he does seem to have a clear history of violence.




Obviously Courtney's ability to be apart from and disconnected from her other daughter is a small indication of mental illness that had somehow kept her from fully embracing a maternal instinct.



Again, REALLY? Since when has it been some kind of "Rule" that a child live with the FATHER is a BAD thing? Any Fathers wanna agree with me on this? It's not like she sold her child for crack. At some point she was aware that she wasn't the best person to take care of the child and made sure she was some where better.



I think we can ALL agree that it's sad that for whatever reason she wasn't able to do that with Anika.

AND it would seem that not all Allgood Supporters would agree that she have "fully embracing a maternal instinct"




from looking at the pictures of Courtney and Anika and Courtney and Wendy: She makes an amazing connection to both her daughters. She seemed on their level. Not sure if that makes sense. Not sure that I can explain what I see in these photos.



There are even photos on his MySpace page (http://www.myspace.com/xallgood) where Allgood comments about how she is always waking up the baby by taking so many photos, or something like that.

That sounds like ANY happy mom that loves her baby.

[talwrite]

What the heck is the strategy for only putting him on for one murder? Is it because she's the weakest case and if it fails, they have two more to fall back on since the statute probably doesn't run for many years if at all?

I want to see justice for Anika. I mean, I feel bad for all victims. I feel bad for the other two, but an innocent child who could never have deserved this. Will she get her own individual justice or just ride Courtney's?

I want a jury of his peers to declare he's guilty of murdering his baby daughter!

I would have thought the opposite, that she's their strongest case against him. They'd put their money and effort in the lead horse. I don't think any prosecutor wants to put families and friends through the ordeal of another trial.

I still wonder about why they didn't try him for all three at this time too, equally but separately. That way, if the jury rules in favor against one, they can rule differently if separately for the other two. But still all during the same trial, same jury. Or even three sets of juries, one jury for each victim.

Perhaps there is not enough evidence surrounding Kevin and Anika.

[MandaMalice]

it has nothing to do with the guard. he did his job and did it well. i won't say anything further on this.
and i don't really say a witness lied. sometimes prosecutors and defense lawyers can and do get people to sway their words just so, to make things sound just right.
just like you all are twisting some of my words around.

i posed several questions earlier, but no one has replied.

so i'll try some more.
for the sake of argument, let's say chris is responsible for all three.

1) what do you think his motive is?
2) why didn't he flee the scene? (or why did he stay there?)
3) why didn't he make a deal with the DA, like confession for a lighter sentence.
4) and if all his friends and her friends think he was such a douche bag, why didn't someone get Courtney and Anika the hell out of there.

i expect that the court will wind up everything tomorrow, jury verdict included.

1) I couldn't really say because like you said, he HAD let her go before! I don't understand why this time would be any different! All I could guess is that maybe the issues wasn't so much with her, but feeling betrayed by Bones. But again that really doesn't make much sense either.

2) I think maybe he was trying to come up with a plan or story. He could have been trying to leave then, but his actions early that night had already drawn way too much attention to him.

3) Like I said before, cause he doesn't think it was his fault. Plus, his past encounters with the law and court had time and time again "let him off easy". So I don't see him willing to make a deal that would leave him doing time. I don't see any record (That I can remember) of him doing any LONG amount of time. That maybe what he was worried about.

4) DUDE! I can say the SAME about Courtney! If EVERYONE KNEW how BAD these two where together, why didn't SOMEONE STEP IN? Just like how her mental health can be brought into question, if she was THAT BAD why didn't someone get HIM away from her? Or at the very least, the baby?

[MandaMalice]

Oooohhh WHOA!

I just remembered something!


Obviously Courtney's ability to be apart from and disconnected from her other daughter is a small indication of mental illness that had somehow kept her from fully embracing a maternal instinct.

Well, the very same could be said about Allgood:

Victims’ friends gather in force for trial (http://galvestondailynews.com/forums.lasso?epa=195d08dbba83dd4f5474abb371540c92&esi=0eb56940f689912b)



Whos Thisguy (whosthisguy)
May 10, 2011 6:03 PM #12 of 12
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Island Retiree said: Chris said he didn't kill his baby when the cops arrested him. He was sitting there waiting for them. You have to wonder. There is enough guilt to go around for everyone, I suspect.

Someone correct me if i am wrong. It was my understanding that Chris was initially arrested for discharging a weapon in a public place (parking lot).... he wasnt "waiting" on the police as "Island Retiree" said. He in fact did not mention the incident even after he was booked into the jail. A neighbor checked on Courtney and Anika and found the bodies.

I grew up with Courtney and hadnt seen her in a years. I do know, that she was a very loving person who would do anything for her friends.

I once played in a band (briefly) with Chris about 15 years ago... knowing Chris, and his past... I feel confident believing that he committed all three murders. This is a guy who threatened nearly every girl he was ever with, including pulling out weapons (i know of one shotgun incident) on some of them. Chris even stabbed another guy when he was about 17 years old. He has two other biological children who he has nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, to do with since they were both very little! I doubt, deep down, that he even truely cared about Anika....

May all three rest and peace and have some form of justice served.



He too must be lacking some kind of bond with his two older children if he has the "ability to be apart from and disconnected" from them.

And that make him just as likely to have committed the shooting as Courtney

[talwrite]

if in fact he does have two other children.
funny, i once read it was one child.
i've also read he has no other children.
i came across a genealogy site where it shows him, courtney, anika.
no mention of other wives and children.

[MandaMalice]

if in fact he does have two other children.
funny, i once read it was one child.
i've also read he has no other children.
i came across a genealogy site where it shows him, courtney, anika.
no mention of other wives and children.

Well, then that is wrong because there is court recoreds of him being married. I also believe that he got a divorce while he has been in jail. Read the links I posted above where it said he was married to someone else AFTER he had the baby with Courtney.

[Justice4CAB]

It was the guy that the upstairs neighbor called the first time Chris was outside with the gun. He testified hearing one shot come from downstairs, and seconds later heard 4 or 5 more shots.

This makes sense seeing as Courtney was shot once in the head, at a downward angle. She was sitting at the computer at the time. Then he goes to the back bedroom, shooting Kevin in the back of the head four times. Then turning the gun on Anika, her more than likely awake and looking at him, shoots her in the arm, it exiting into her head. Then shoots her directly in the face.

[Justice4CAB]

All I can really report tonight is that the prosecution rested around noonish. The defense rested at 2:00. Yes, there was one witness for the defense, and that was Amy Allgood. (stepmother) Closing arguments begin at 8:00am in the morning. I suspect we will have a verdict by 5.

[Rockin Ma]

All I can really report tonight is that the prosecution rested around noonish. The defense rested at 2:00. Yes, there was one witness for the defense, and that was Amy Allgood. (stepmother) Closing arguments begin at 8:00am in the morning. I suspect we will have a verdict by 5.

I wondered about what they could come up with witnesses for him. I imagined just family testifying he was either areally good guy or really loved Courtney.

[Rockin Ma]

It surprises me with all the statements about him never really having to answer for past crimes that he didn't have more witnesses. Is this a dp case? Maybe they are saving all those people for penalty phase. I don't know. Am I reading his lack of witnesses telling that he's guilty? At talwrite I'm not "you all" twisting your words. I want to know what you really think because I realize that I tend to take it and run often when a child is killed, sort of taking away my ability to look at all the evidence fairly. You may be able to give me something to think about.

[Jezebel]

The guy is a piece of shit, but Manda you are annoying. We know, everyone knows that he did it. You are not proving anything by quoting LucyLawless and whoever else. You just look ridiculous. That is all.

[MandaMalice]

The guy is a piece of shit, but Manda you are annoying. We know, everyone knows that he did it. You are not proving anything by quoting LucyLawless and whoever else. You just look ridiculous. That is all.

Again, this is the difference between just giving your opinion or debating the case.

I'm not just random quoting her or anyone for that matter. I am replying to her "theories" of this case, but to try and keep my replies clear, I am just trying to show what statement I am addressing. My thoughts are not always that easy to follow and this has caused problems before in this discussion.

I'm just making a point to be clear on what I'm saying.

That is after all the purpose of this board.

[MandaMalice]

It surprises me with all the statements about him never really having to answer for past crimes that he didn't have more witnesses. Is this a dp case? Maybe they are saving all those people for penalty phase. I don't know. Am I reading his lack of witnesses telling that he's guilty? At talwrite I'm not "you all" twisting your words. I want to know what you really think because I realize that I tend to take it and run often when a child is killed, sort of taking away my ability to look at all the evidence fairly. You may be able to give me something to think about.

All he is facing is life. Sadly, we are gonna have to feed & house him...

I've been wondering if any of his past history was allowed in during the case? With everything aside and looking at it as an "outsider" that alone is worrying.

[MandaMalice]

Ugh...i totally got sucked in again! Youre like a whirlpool of negativity! Unless there is breaking news from MandaMalice, im not looking at this thread anymore. Im beginning to sound lika a high school cheerleader

Yeah, I would go with Justice4CAB too. They are THERE, while I'm just someone OCD-ing on this case!

[Justice4CAB]

if in fact he does have two other children.
funny, i once read it was one child.
i've also read he has no other children.
i came across a genealogy site where it shows him, courtney, anika.
no mention of other wives and children.

He in fact does have two other children that he has no contact with.

[Toxic]

talwrite if he didnt sign their birth certificate he wouldnt show up in a geneology report....unless forced to take a paternity test

c'mon....i thought you were smart

[talwrite]

Well, then that is wrong because there is court recoreds of him being married. I also believe that he got a divorce while he has been in jail. Read the links I posted above where it said he was married to someone else AFTER he had the baby with Courtney.

The genealogy site did not mention other wives or children or other childrens' mothers.

I know that he has been married.

I'm only stating that I have read conflicting reports about other children (one, two, none)

[talwrite]

All I can really report tonight is that the prosecution rested around noonish. The defense rested at 2:00. Yes, there was one witness for the defense, and that was Amy Allgood. (stepmother) Closing arguments begin at 8:00am in the morning. I suspect we will have a verdict by 5.

Thanks Justice4CAB. I'm sure the jury will have their verdict today too.

[talwrite]

He in fact does have two other children that he has no contact with.

Is that by his choice or the mother's choice? Are both children still living?
I've only seen Anika's pictures on his myspace and his dad's.

[talwrite]

I've been wondering if any of his past history was allowed in during the case?

Justice4CAB, can you answer that one for us? It's a good question.

[MandaMalice]

Justice4CAB

Was the D.A. able to bring in his history of Domestic Violence?

[MandaMalice]

Justice4CAB, can you answer that one for us? It's a good question.

HA! We both asked that at the same time! JINKS!

[talwrite]

talwrite if he didnt sign their birth certificate he wouldnt show up in a geneology report....unless forced to take a paternity test

....i think you are smart

thank you for the compliment.

genealogy SITE as in Website, not genealogy REPORT
those sites where family can post their family tree, now do you know what I'm referring to?
family members can post who and what they want to. I wonder if Courtney is the one that added herself and Anika to his genealogy website. that might explain the missing children. I wondered why he didn't add his children or wife. that's all.

[MandaMalice]

Oh, and talwrite, it's funny that you like Jezebel negative comment about me quoting things because one of the reason I'm doing that is to make sure we don't have any more "misunderstandings"

Also, it's kinda funny that you like to imply that I'm making things up


if in fact he does have two other children.


But once some else confirms it's only THEN it's okay


I'm only stating that I have read conflicting reports about other children (one, two, none)

Dude, you DON'T have to "Like" me, I know I come on "strong" (to say the very least) but please, don't dismiss what I'm says just because you think I'm being a big old meanie to 'ya.

[Aena]

Persons with bipolar disorder often say (or plan) one thing and do something entirely opposite.

I believe what Dawn testified is true, but one day to the next, Courtney could have changed her mind. As if her mind was ever really made up.

I am bipolar and I am telling you on some days that is true, I change my mind like the wind blows. I can be ultra mean and violent WHEN I AM NOT MEDICATED. That medication is what saves my life and makes it to where I can live a semi-normal life, take it away and I am adrift. I don't know which one committed this crime, either way it is horrific.

[Justice4CAB]

talwrite Im not sure if not seeing the other children were by his choice or the mothers. I do know that she had a restraining order against him because its part of his criminal history that he violated it.

Im also not sure if his history was allowed into the case. I do know that the Texas City police will testify in the punishment phase. Im guessing that's why.

[Justice4CAB]

Deliberations just started...won't be long now.

[MandaMalice]

Justice4CAB I would really like to thank you for taking the time to updates all of us on this case. Even without knowing us. I personally truly appreciate it.

Thank you

[talwrite]

Oh, and talwrite, it's funny that you like Jezebel negative comment about me quoting things because one of the reason I'm doing that is to make sure we don't have any more "misunderstandings" Also, it's kinda funny that you like to imply that I'm making things up But once some else confirms it's only THEN it's okay
Dude, you DON'T have to "Like" me, I know I come on "strong" (to say the very least) but please, don't dismiss what I'm says just because you think I'm being a big old meanie to 'ya.

Amanda, I am not dismissing what you say. I'm actually interested in what you have to say. I just wish you'd lose the tactics you try. If you did, you might actually find out you could win an argument. Other people have noticed that you have a great deal of animosity. As they tried to point out to you, it's uncalled for. We don't have to attack each other.

It's not about you, it's not about me. The message board is about Chris being arrested and on trial for this homicide.

The problem with writing on message boards is that people misunderstand the tone of something written. My statement regarding the two children -- 'if in fact' -- wasn't meant to dismiss what YOU said. You're reading it too harshly.

Slow down and re-read things before you reply. Please.

[talwrite]

I am bipolar and I am telling you on some days that is true, I change my mind like the wind blows. I can be ultra mean and violent WHEN I AM NOT MEDICATED. That medication is what saves my life and makes it to where I can live a semi-normal life, take it away and I am adrift. I don't know which one committed this crime, either way it is horrific.

thanks for posting that Aena. i do want to say that just because someone is bipolar, doesn't mean we have to be afraid of them. with the right meds and right therapy, it is possible for someone with it to cope and live a productive life. a lot of people with it are some of the nicest, smartest people to be around.

i feel bad for courtney, because she couldn't get the proper medical help she truly needed. good doctors are difficult to find.

[Mare]

What the heck is the strategy for only putting him on for one murder? Is it because she's the weakest case and if it fails, they have two more to fall back on since the statute probably doesn't run for many years if at all?

I want to see justice for Anika. I mean, I feel bad for all victims. I feel bad for the other two, but an innocent child who could never have deserved this. Will she get her own individual justice or just ride Courtney's?

I want a jury of his peers to declare he's guilty of murdering his baby daughter!

Considering just the money involved in this trial, I would think that this is the strongest case they have against him.

Criminal cases are a bitch to try and almost impossible to win for the defense. All that is needed is just a tiny bit of doubt. The standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" is almost impossible to overcome.

If he was tried for Anika or Bones, then all it would take is one juror to believe the defense and think that MAYBE Courtney killed Anika (or Bones) and the case would be in the toilet. Think OJ Simpson, all that took is a glove - all this would take is gun shot residue and we have that (that was on Courtney and on Chris).

Considering how much is being written about everyone, I almost feel that I could try this case and get Chris off (not so much for killing Courtney but only for Anika and Bones).

Fucked up.

[talwrite]

Justice4CAB I would really like to thank you for taking the time to updates all of us on this case. Even without knowing us. I personally truly appreciate it.

Thank you

Agreed.

[talwrite]

Considering just the money involved in this trial, I would think that this is the strongest case they have against him.

Criminal cases are a bitch to try and almost impossible to win for the defense. All that is needed is just a tiny bit of doubt. The standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" is almost impossible to overcome.

If he was tried for Anika or Bones, then all it would take is one juror to believe the defense and think that MAYBE Courtney killed Anika (or Bones) and the case would be in the toilet. Think OJ Simpson, all that took is a glove - all this would take is gun shot residue and we have that (that was on Courtney and on Chris).

Considering how much is being written about everyone, I almost feel that I could try this case and get Chris off (not so much for killing Courtney but only for Anika and Bones).

Fucked up.

What's your take on the Defense Attorney presenting only one witness on behalf of Chris? I'm curious what you think.

[MandaMalice]

Amanda, I am not dismissing what you say. I'm actually interested in what you have to say. I just wish you'd lose the tactics you try. If you did, you might actually find out you could win an argument.


DUDE, I'm not trying to win any argument. Just trying to discuss and debate the case.




The problem with writing on message boards is that people misunderstand the tone of something written. My statement regarding the two children -- 'if in fact' -- wasn't meant to dismiss what YOU said. You're reading it too harshly.


And I've been trying to say the same to you!

So now it's agreed, this is not any attack on anyones opinion, just a clear discuss and debate this case.

Good deal?

Now, let's all sing Kumbaya while waiting out this verdict!*


* Please note that the following statement was not meant to be mean, but funny

This side note was brought to you in part by the "Can't You Take A Joke" Smart Ass Foundation

[MandaMalice]

Think OJ Simpson, all that took is a glove

Man, and that is such a good point. I think the judge and jury (With the O.J. case) really did do what was right with what they had to deal with. I've read that things that did really show guilt on his part was not allowed into trial.

And that is what I've been worried about here.

And even some of the jury felt that he did (O.J. that is) do it, but there was just too much "Reasonable Doubt".

God, this is gonna kill me till the verdict! I'm just wanna find out anything as fast as I can so I can make sure the "news" (Either way) is broke to my one ones the right way...

[Justice4CAB]

Mare There was gunshot residue found on Courtney. It was burnt particles. Not unburnt as typically found on the shooter.
Gunshot residue (GSR) is principally composed of burnt and unburnt particles from the explosive primer, the propellant, as well as components from the bullet, the cartridge case and the firearm used.

[MandaMalice]

What's your take on the Defense Attorney presenting only one witness on behalf of Chris? I'm curious what you think.

In my opinion is it would just be to risky that unflattering info would come out about Allgood. Even if people where will to testify for him, I would think that would leave the "door open" for things like "Have you even known or seen Allgood handle a gun in a..." threatening, violent or dumb manner...

That's the only reason why I could think of.

[Justice4CAB]

I have to correct myself. Turns out there were a total of three witnesses. I believe all character witnesses, two family, one friend.

[MandaMalice]

Mare There was gunshot residue found on Courtney. It was burnt particles. Not unburnt as typically found on the shooter.
Gunshot residue (GSR) is principally composed of burnt and unburnt particles from the explosive primer, the propellant, as well as components from the bullet, the cartridge case and the firearm used.

Also in the video I saw yesterday, the "expert" testified that the GRS found on her would also be consistent with being near it while fired, handling and a victim. Which I DIDN'T understand why that was being brought up by the defense, because to me, that just made it seem more likely that HE shot all three?

Here is the link:

http://www.ksat.com/video/27875684/index.html

Doesn't anyone else get the feeling it seemed to work against him more than for him?


Also, I hate how they keep getting their names and ages wrong.

[Mare]

What's your take on the Defense Attorney presenting only one witness on behalf of Chris? I'm curious what you think.

Quite honestly, I have not been following this case very closely and don't know what the defense strategy is.

Generally stated, Chris seems to have a bit of a "questionable moral character" (criminal record, people who are willing to publically say shitty things about him, women who are willing to publically say he intimidated/beat them) and friends who may not be the most sympathetic group of people on the stand. Based on that, I wouldn't worry about putting on stand witnesses on his behalf. Rather, I would sully Courtney's reputation and do my best to insert as much doubt as possible into the case by bringing up her perceived failing as a mother and a decent human being (one child taken away and drug use). I would show Chris as being the best thing that ever happened to her and the force that kept her "clean" and grounded (whether true or not)

One thing to keep in mind is that any witness put on trial can be and is cross examined. That means, if I was to put anyone on the stand, on my client's behalf, I would want that person to LOOK clean-cut and respectable, speak well, NOT have a criminal record and not appear shaken or nervous. Considering the crowd they both hang out with, I doubt many of their true friends would fit this (this is in no way a dig at their crowd, just an impartial observation).

It is always better to have the prosecution dig themselves into a hole and then tell the jury: look this case is so ridculous that the prosecution felt the need to place on stand 85 witnesses just to villify my client and to convince you all that he is a bad guy. He's not. He loved Courtney and he did all he could to keep her safe; she, God rest her soul, was unstable and on anti-psychotic pills to control her sociopathic urges. What mother loses her child? What mother poses with guns? While Courtney may have been the nicest person when taking her medication, in her dark periods, and there were many, she coldn't rationally be dealt with. Don't forget that Courtney .... blah, blah, blah ... all Chris is guilty of is loving her and wanting to help her. I don't need 85 witnesses to show that; it is obvious.
(don't know if above applies but it sort of gives you an idea of how easily it can be to inroduce reasonable doubt and to villify a victim while extolling virtues of the accused - this from someone not very familiar with the case)

Basically, I would think that the defense couldn't find suitable witnesses to present; but, this wouldn't be an issue (hopefully) as I would juist play it to my clients advantage.

[MandaMalice]

I have to correct myself. Turns out there were a total of three witnesses. I believe all character witnesses, two family, one friend.

Could you give us idea on who they where? Was it a "long time" "childhood" type of friend, someone from TC, or someone he met in more recent years?

[Mare]

Mare There was gunshot residue found on Courtney. It was burnt particles. Not unburnt as typically found on the shooter.
Gunshot residue (GSR) is principally composed of burnt and unburnt particles from the explosive primer, the propellant, as well as components from the bullet, the cartridge case and the firearm used.

Justice4CAB and MandaMalice

Yep, I get the gunshot residue now. All I am saying is that a good defense attorney (or even a not good one) would use that to introduce reasonable doubt. As a general matter, if I told my best friend that gunshot residue was found on the victim's hand, she would assume that a victim had fired a gun. Until you all brought this up, I would have assumed the same thing.

That said, I am not from Texas and guns are rare here (or rather, very difficult to legally obtain).

[Justice4CAB]

The only one Im positive about is Amy. Sorry

[MandaMalice]

Based on that, I wouldn't worry about putting on stand witnesses on his behalf. Rather, I would sully Courtney's reputation and do my best to insert as much doubt as possible into the case by bringing up her perceived failing as a mother and a decent human being (one child taken away and drug use). I would show Chris as being the best thing that ever happened to her and the force that kept her "clean" and grounded (whether true or not)


That has been said (Even posted somewhere on here) was just what they tried to do.



Quite honestly, I have not been following this case very closely and don't know what the defense strategy is.
Generally stated, Chris seems to have a bit of a "questionable moral character" (criminal record, people who are willing to publically say shitty things about him, women who are willing to publically say he intimidated/beat them) and friends who may not be the most sympathetic group of people on the stand. Based on that, I wouldn't worry about putting on stand witnesses on his behalf.

Basically, I would think that the defense couldn't find suitable witnesses to present; but, this wouldn't be an issue (hopefully) as I would juist play it to my clients advantage.

That was kinda what I was thinking.

[Mare]

Also in the video I saw yesterday, the "expert" testified that the GRS found on her would also be consistent with being near it while fired, handling and a victim. Which I DIDN'T understand why that was being brought up by the defense, because to me, that just made it seem more likely that HE shot all three?

Doesn't anyone else get the feeling it seemed to work against him more than for him?

Nope - I know nothing about guns - if you told me someone has gunshot residue ON THEIR HANDS - my immediate assumption would be that they very recently fired a weapon.

It really depends on the demographic of people that are sitting on the jury and how much they know/understand about gunshot residue. Defense could spin this to say that Courtney had fired a gun, fought with Chris over it so that really her death is self defense and he didn't mean to kill her.

Then this would be manslaughter and he might be out in three years! (based on this the country wouldn;t ever charge him with the deathof baby Anika or Bones)

[MandaMalice]

The only one Im positive about is Amy. Sorry

Thank you so much!

I'm sorry to be "grilling" you like this! Just when you said it was a friend, I worried that it could have also been a friend of my love ones that knew/know the three of them.

For some reason my brain has decide that if I found out anything "bad" before they do, I can "filter" or at least tell them in a way that could "protect" them.

I know that sounds pretty goofy, but seeing how the things they have read, seen and been told has hurt them so much, I think these is the only ways my mind can deal with it.

Again, I'm really thankful.

[MandaMalice]

Nope - I know nothing about guns - if you told me someone has gunshot residue ON THEIR HANDS - my immediate assumption would be that they very recently fired a weapon.

It really depends on the demographic of people that are sitting on the jury and how much they know/understand about gunshot residue. Defense could spin this to say that Courtney had fired a gun, fought with Chris over it so that really her death is self defense and he didn't mean to kill her.

Then this would be manslaughter and he might be out in three years! (based on this the country wouldn;t ever charge him with the deathof baby Anika or Bones)

Ahh, gotcha,

If the jury isn't really all that gun savvy, it doesn't matter what kind of GSR, just that she did have GSR on her.

Right?

Well, I hope that two things really help in this:

1) This is TEXAS. And folks in Texas like GUNS.
2) Courtney was shot at a downward angle while she was sitting. I hope that would rule out the idea of "It just when off".

[MandaMalice]

That said, I am not from Texas and guns are rare here (or rather, very difficult to legally obtain).

Well, this part of Texas likes their guns, ALLOT. I can remember even in High School seeing gun racks in the truck of people dropping off their kids at school and thinking "What, I thought you COULDN'T have a gun near a school?"

As for Texas Law, like I said before, our Lawyers like to act like "Rock Stars" and pull of allot of crazy stuff in the court room. One could argue that the best way to LOSE a case is to have a Lawyer that ISN'T very entertaining!

[Mare]

Ahh, gotcha,

If the jury isn't really all that gun savvy, it doesn't matter what kind of GSR, just that she did have GSR on her.

Right?

Well, I hope that two things really help in this:

1) This is TEXAS. And folks in Texas like GUNS.
2) Courtney was shot at a downward angle while she was sitting. I hope that would rule out the idea of "It just when off".

Precisely.

I know nothing about guns. Folks in Texas may like and know guns but may not understand GSR. It might be possible to say Courtney and Chris were fighting over the gun (after she threatened him with it), he was able to grab it out of her hand, as he grabbed it she tripped and fell and the gun went off. Explains downward shooting angle, maybe.


Let's see what happens.

Are they expecting a verdict today?

[Justice4CAB]

and the verdict is.......GUILTY AS CHARGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MandaMalice]

I think they are.

But the jury just went out this morning. So I'm think it is gonna awhile....


And she was found at her desk, like she had been sitting at the computer and he came up and shot her.

[MandaMalice]

and the verdict is.......guilty as charged!!!!!!!!!!!!!


you are f*cking kidding me!!!!

Really??!!??

I don't wanna call me family if it isn't true!!

[Toxic]

Im curious Justice4CAB do you think that if he is guilty, that they will try to go back and try him at a later date for the other two murders?
im not sure if that will be double jeapordy or not but I hope they do

[MandaMalice]

I just got to call my Sister In Law that I love very much and tell he that the asshole that killed her friend WAS FOUND GUILTY!!

http://twitter.com/jsaucedofox29


Jurors have convicted Christopher Allgood in the murder of Courtney Gass. Punishment phase starts Monday.

[Justice4CAB]

I do think that they are going to try him for the others. It will not be double jeapordy, and it will also be capital. That is only my opinion. I do not know for a fact, but I will inform all of yall when i know.

[Toxic]

Thanks justice. Im happy he got what he.deserves...im sure courtney is holding anika in the afterlife and she is smiling because everyone knows the truth and he got what he deserves!!

[talwrite]

Quite honestly, I have not been following this case very closely and don't know what the defense strategy is.


what you say makes complete sense. thank you for your insight. i like the portrayal of how you might defend this case. that might be how David Garcia is approaching this. sometimes 'Less Is More' as they say.

i also respect that take on courtney that you would present. it's not an attack on her, it's more an issue with her instability. you could almost say she's been a victim all along, her entire life. i would even reinforce that courtney loved chris, and he loved her.

[Toxic]

Sentencing begins monday, right?

Im counting the hours!!

[talwrite]

I think that are.

But the jury just went out this morning. So I'm think it is gonna awhile....


And she was found at her desk, like she had been sitting at the computer and he came up and shot her.

that's what the prosecution alleges, that she was sitting at her computer. computer forensics would have been nice, to figure out if she was actually online, posting anything.

[talwrite]

I do think that they are going to try him for the others. It will not be double jeapordy, and it will also be capital. That is only my opinion. I do not know for a fact, but I will inform all of yall when i know.

Please do keep us informed.

[MandaMalice]

Allgood found guilty in Gass murder (http://galvestondailynews.com/story/231118)


SAN ANTONIO — A Bexar County jury took about an hour to find former Texas City resident Christopher Allgood guilty in the July 2009 murder of his girlfriend Courtney Gass.

"I feel great, elated and wonderful," Courtney's father Dale Gass said not long after the jury read its verdict.

Allgood was never charged in the deaths of the couple's 2-year-old daughter Anika or Kevin Bones, 35, also a Texas City native, who was staying at their San Antonio apartment during Independence Day weekend of 2009. They also were shot in the head with a semi-automatic rifle, authorities said.

"I am very happy with how it's gone so far," Gass said as he drove back to Texas City from the courthouse in San Antonio.

Asked if he felt a sense of justice in his daughter's death, Gass said: "A little bit. It's a step in the right direction."

Allgood faces up to life in prison. The punishment phase of the trial begins Monday morning.

[Toxic]

It took only one hour! Looks like the defense didnt have a leg to stand on.

I looked and I couldnt find and clue as to whether they will pursue the other two murders, but if it obly took one hour to convict him of courtneys murder, it looks like the other two would stick too

[MadeaBecBec]

Kudos to the jury!! Thank you for your service, it's not an easy task, I appreciate each one of you and pray that you are given strength and endurance through the penalty phase. I, also, realize that this trial and all that you were subjected to has forever changed your outlook on humanity and it's evils, I pray that you will become advocates for Domestic Violence victims and abused children, you have been presented with an opportunity, I pray you all, use it wisely. Again, Thank you!!





You just know that Notgood is gonna consider that the jury was superstitous and hurried up their decision because of this being a Friday and the 13th!!!

Christopher Allgood, get to reapin'.............

[MandaMalice]

Jurors Convict Man in Girlfriend's Slaying (http://foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_6001.shtml)


It took jurors just under two hours to find Christopher Allgood guilty in the murder of his girlfriend Courtney Gass. Prosecutors say Allgood shot Gass inside an apartment off Wakefield on July 5, 2009. Police also discovered the dead bodies of Allgood and Gass' daughter, Anika and Kevin Bones. Allgood has only been charged in the death of Gass.



In closing arguments, defense attorney's said Allgood shot Gass' after she tried coming at him with a knife. Allgood also alleged it was Gass who shot and killed their daughter and Bones. Prosecutors called Allgood a liar and said he is responsible for killing Gass.



Jurors will be back Monday morning for the punishment phase in the trial. Allgood is facing five years to life in prison for Courtney's murder.

[talwrite]

Jurors Convict Man in Girlfriend's Slaying (http://foxsanantonio.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/vid_6001.shtml)

I think that's the first time I've seen Fox 29KABB report anything on this.

[Rockin Ma]

MandaMalice

check your profile

[Rockin Ma]

Sorry if already posted. Just pointing out it took 90 minutes. It also cements my opinion she was sitting at her computer at the time.

Gass was shot once in the head, investigators said. The couple's 2 1/2-year-old daughter and a family friend were also shot to death in a Northside apartment the couple shared, investigators said.
When he was arrested, Allgood gave police several accounts of the shooting, prosecutors said. He claimed that Gass shot her daughter and John Bones, 26, to death in the child's bedroom.
He said Gass was shot to death as he tried to wrestle the assault rifle from her.
During closing arguments, Assistant District Attorney Chris Dimartino noted that Allgood's fingerprints were on the trigger of the weapon and that Gass' injuries did not fit Allgood's account.

[Rockin Ma]

oops, fucked that post up


It took a jury 90 minutes Friday morning to find Christopher Allgood, 30, guilty of killing his girlfriend Courtney Gass, 26, on July 5, 2009.

http://www.ksat.com/news/27888683/detail.html

[MandaMalice]

Guilty Verdict Delivered In Rap Producer's Trial (http://www.ksat.com/news/27888683/detail.html)


SAN ANTONIO -- It took a jury 90 minutes Friday morning to find Christopher Allgood, 30, guilty of killing his girlfriend Courtney Gass, 26, on July 5, 2009.


Gass was shot once in the head, investigators said. The couple's 2 1/2-year-old daughter and a family friend were also shot to death in a Northside apartment the couple shared, investigators said.

When he was arrested, Allgood gave police several accounts of the shooting, prosecutors said. He claimed that Gass shot her daughter and John Bones, 26, to death in the child's bedroom.

He said Gass was shot to death as he tried to wrestle the assault rifle from her.

During closing arguments, Assistant District Attorney Chris Dimartino noted that Allgood's fingerprints were on the trigger of the weapon and that Gass' injuries did not fit Allgood's account.

The punishment phase of Allgood's trial will begin Monday morning in Judge Melissa Skinner's 290th District Court.

He faces a punishment range of five to 99 years to life in prison.


This is the part that worries me:



He faces a punishment range of five to 99 years to life in prison.


So, does that mean if the jury thinks Courtney killed Anika and Bones, they could only give him 5 years because it was a "Crime Of Passion" or "Self Defense"?

Also, I really do hope they charge him with the other two murders, because if not, people will also say that she really killed Anika and Bones.

So I guess it's not some much charging him, but also clearing Courtney as well.

[MandaMalice]

Man guilty of girlfriend's murder in triple-slaying case (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Man-guilty-of-girlfriend-s-murder-in-1379025.php)


It took Christopher Allgood hours to give San Antonio police his version, or versions, of what happened inside his North Side apartment in July 2009 that left his live-in girlfriend, their daughter, and a friend dead.

It took a Bexar County jury an hour and 20 minutes Friday to say that he was responsible for killing one of the victims.

After a week of testimony, jurors found Allgood guilty of murdering his girlfriend, Courtney Gass.

Allgood was never charged in the deaths of the couple's 2-year-old daughter, Anika, or Kevin Bones, 35, an out-of-town friend who was staying at their apartment. Like Gass, they were shot in the head with a semiautomatic rifle, according to testimony.

Monday, the jury will begin hearing evidence in the punishment phase of his trial before state District Judge Melisa Skinner. Allgood, 32, could face up to life in prison.

By their verdict, jurors rejected Allgood's claim that he shot Gass in self-defense after she came at him with a knife.

Relatives of the victims, who like Allgood were originally from Texas City, cried and hugged each other outside Skinner's courtroom after the verdict.

Gass was found July 5, 2009, in a pool of blood curled under a desk, and prosecutors allege she may have been facing a computer, not Allgood, when she was shot on the left side of the head.

According to a prosecution witness, the relationship between Gass, a punk rocker, and self-styled rap producer Allgood, had deteriorated, and Gass was getting ready to leave and take their daughter.

Allgood was arrested outside the apartment holding the rifle, but he was initially charged only with firing a gun inside the city. The bodies were not discovered until two hours later.

Then, Allgood was questioned for several hours. His videotaped statement was played for jurors. In it, he gave several versions, including that after a day of drinking, he fell asleep, awoke to gunshots and saw Gass with his rifle. He also said he struggled with her over the firearm and it went off. He blamed her for killing Anika and Bones. Later he said he shot Gass after she tried to cut him with a knife.

Prosecutors Chris DiMartino and Marilisa Janssen dismissed Allgood's explanations as “lies,” saying they don't correlate with the physical evidence.

DiMartino alleged in closing arguments that Allgood shot Gass once, then moved to a bedroom and shot Bones and then Anika. Seven shots were fired in the bedroom, DiMartino said.

DiMartino also noted that one prosecution witness, a friend of one of Allgood's neighbors, testified that he saw Allgood outside his apartment before the shootings holding a rifle, and that Allgood appeared to have been drinking. That witness testified that he later heard gunshots before seeing Allgood outside with the rifle again.

DiMartino reminded jurors that other witnesses also heard “pops... the same time that this defendant was creating carnage inside his apartment.”

In his closing, Allgood's lawyer, David Garcia, criticized alleged shortcomings in the police investigation and prosecution's case. He also said Gass had a violent streak and beat and attacked Allgood with a chair two weeks before the killings.

“We don't know what happened in that apartment,” Garcia said about the killings. “Nobody knows. Mr. Allgood still doesn't even know.”

But he repeated Allgood's claim that he had to shoot Gass after she had killed Anika and Bones.

“She was either going to kill him or try to kill him with that knife,” Garcia argued.

[Toxic]

Also, I really do hope they charge him with the other two murders, because if not, people will also say that she really killed Anika and Bones.

Me too....it kills me to think there are people out there still saying courtney killed her daughter...even with all the evidence to the contrary. She doesnt deserve to have her memory tainted like that!

[MandaMalice]

VIDEO:

http://www.ksat.com/video/27890793/index.html

[MandaMalice]

Kevin Bones

http://vimeo.com/5764465

Courtney Gass

http://vimeo.com/5785046

[Rockin Ma]

Anyone that followed this long? I am wondering if there is a PDF of warrants or police reports to look at. My searches found nothing.

[Alf]

This is the part that worries me:


He faces a punishment range of five to 99 years to life in prison.

So, does that mean if the jury thinks Courtney killed Anika and Bones, they could only give him 5 years because it was a "Crime Of Passion" or "Self Defense"?


Texas law states:


Sec. 9.31. SELF-DEFENSE. (a) Except as provided in Subsection (b), a person is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force. The actor's belief that the force was immediately necessary as described by this subsection is presumed to be reasonable if the actor:

(1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the force was used:
[...]
(C) was committing or attempting to commit aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery;

as well as:


Sec. 9.02. JUSTIFICATION AS A DEFENSE. It is a defense to prosecution that the conduct in question is justified under this chapter.

and:


Sec. 19.02. MURDER. (a) In this section:

(1) "Adequate cause" means cause that would commonly produce a degree of anger, rage, resentment, or terror in a person of ordinary temper, sufficient to render the mind incapable of cool reflection.

(2) "Sudden passion" means passion directly caused by and arising out of provocation by the individual killed or another acting with the person killed which passion arises at the time of the offense and is not solely the result of former provocation.

(b) A person commits an offense if he:

(1) intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual;

(2) intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual; or

[...]

(c) Except as provided by Subsection (d), an offense under this section is a felony of the first degree.

(d) At the punishment stage of a trial, the defendant may raise the issue as to whether he caused the death under the immediate influence of sudden passion arising from an adequate cause. If the defendant proves the issue in the affirmative by a preponderance of the evidence, the offense is a felony of the second degree.

Link (http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/)

Marc "Animal" MacYoung talks about justification and self-defense here (http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/self-defenseexplained.htm#self-defence), and while I don't know if that reflects case law in Texas I do know that it is a rational approach to the subject.

TL;DR? The least he could wind up doing iff a "person of ordinary temper" were to react to the news that his lover was leaving for good with homicidal violence is 2 to 20, and he shot his wad trying to claim it was self-defense.

Stick a fork in him. He's done.

--Al

[MandaMalice]

Anyone that followed this long? I am wondering if there is a PDF of warrants or police reports to look at. My searches found nothing.

His past crimes?

Cause it's in Galveston County. See, if it was in Brazoria County (The next County over) You could look up just about any of it online. I've looked before, but I'm pretty sure Galveston County doesn't offer many records online.

Now, the murder's happen in Bexar County. I've looked, but haven't found any place to view records online there.

[MandaMalice]

ZOMG, trying to read that made my brain HURT! Clifnotes please?

Can he only get 5 years by using the old Texas defense of "They needed killin"?



The least he could wind up doing iff a "person of ordinary temper" were to react to the news that his lover was leaving for good with homicidal violence is 2 to 20, and he shot his wad trying to claim it was self-defense.

Stick a fork in him. He's done.


Okay, so he can't use self-defense since he already tried that, but was found guilty of murder.

Right?

So what does all that mean for "Crime Of Passion"?

It's pretty clear he didn't really "plan" the kills, so could he still get away with "Heat of the moment"?

I'm so sorry if you already answered this with your post! I'm having a HARD time translating that to "English"!

[talwrite]

His past crimes?

Cause it's in Galveston County. See, if it was in Brazoria County (The next County over) You could look up just about any of it online. I've looked before, but I'm pretty sure Galveston County doesn't offer many records online.

Now, the murder's happen in Bexar County. I've looked, but haven't found any place to view records online there.

there's stuff available online with Galveston County. i looked it up when i first heard about the case, so the link's not fresh in my mind. it's searchable though. there's records for both her and him, as well as some family members.

[MandaMalice]

there's stuff available online with Galveston County. i looked it up when i first heard about the case, so the link's not fresh in my mind. it's searchable though. there's records for both her and him, as well as some family members.

Really? Oh that is great!
Well, I don' mean for what we are discussing RIGHT NOW, but for things that I've tried to look into in the past.

Dammit, I just got off the phone with my mom too, she would know...

[MandaMalice]

Okay, just called my mom and she said that as of last year, the only one she knew of, you have to be a Lawyer (Or work for one) to access it. I wasn't public. She said our best bet is to start looking here: http://www.co.galveston.tx.us

If they offer a public records search, it would be here

[MandaMalice]

This it?

http://public1.co.galveston.tx.us/default.aspx

[Alf]

Okay, so he can't use self-defense since he already tried that, but was found guilty of murder.

Right?

So what does all that mean for "Crime Of Passion"?

Has anybody ever left you? I have been left. And it hurts like a sonofabitch. But the women are still alive. And no, I am not by any means a saint.


It's pretty clear he didn't really "plan" the kills, so could he still get away with "Heat of the moment"?

Not unless a reasonably rational person "of ordinary temper" would kill a beloved because s/he didn't want to stay.


I'm so sorry if you already answered this with your post! I'm having a HARD time translating that to "English"!

Regulations and laws are twisty at the best of times; that's because they have to cover each and every possible situation generally while not blocking off any new situation that didn't occur to the author.

--Al

[MandaMalice]

Has anybody ever left you? I have been left. And it hurts like a sonofabitch. But the women are still alive. And no, I am not by any means a saint.

Not unless a reasonably rational person "of ordinary temper" would kill a beloved because s/he didn't want to stay.


THANK YOU!

And since they HAD split up a few times before, what made this time any different than the last? I would guess NOTHING. So no reason to kill her, the baby OR Bones.

Am I understanding 'ya right?


Bones death is what really makes me wonder. While Courtney and the baby where shot once, why was Bones shot so many times? If you couldn't tell by him going out of his way to drop off a camera, he was a REALLY NICE person. I can't see him doing ANYTHING to piss off Allgood, or ANYONE ELSE for that matter.

(Hell, he is one of the FEW friends of my brother who I can remember NOT picking on me for being a noisy brat when I was growing up)

Why was he shot AT ALL let a lone THAT MANY TIMES?

[Toxic]

Maybe...and this is just speculation, maybe chris, in a drunken stupor, got it in his head that courtney was cheating with bones and overreacted...exponentially...we will probably never know tho :(

[talwrite]

Maybe...and this is just speculation, maybe chris, in a drunken stupor, got it in his head that courtney was cheating with bones and overreacted...exponentially...we will probably never know tho :(

anyone think there might have been more than just alcohol involved that night?
coke can make even a nun fly off the handle

[talwrite]

This it?

http://public1.co.galveston.tx.us/default.aspx

it's somewhere in there, or that other site you posted. it's been a long time since i've looked. i'm still looking so i'll post if i find the right area

[MandaMalice]

it's somewhere in there, or that other site you posted. it's been a long time since i've looked. i'm still looking so i'll post if i find the right area

If you look, it says "Log Into Account". I'm pretty sure THAT'S the Criminal search, and that's NOT public

[talwrite]

While Courtney and the baby where shot once, why was Bones shot so many times? Why was he shot AT ALL let a lone THAT MANY TIMES?

A few pages back, Justice posted that Courtney was shot once in the head, Kevin in the back of the head four times, Anika in her arm and in the face. So Anika was shot more than once.

The one with the most shots, Kevin, is evidently the most targeted. Unfortunately, he is the recipient of a lot of anger. Kevin was shot first the 4x, then Anika the 2x, then Courtney the 1x. This could be someone losing steam, so to speak.

[MandaMalice]

A few pages back, Justice posted that Courtney was shot once in the head, Kevin in the back of the head four times, Anika in her arm and in the face. So Anika was shot more than once.


No, the baby was shot just once. It went THROUGH HER ARM, into her head. They said it looked as if she was awake and raised her arm to defend herself.

Or maybe she was doing like my kids did when they where that little. They would pull their arms up around their head so I could pick them up under the arms.

It was like instinct or something, the little lazy butts! They just wanted me to pick them up instead of getting up themselves.

To tell the truth, it's makes me feel BETTER to think that maybe she wasn't scared, but just waiting to be picked up and held.

Okay, I'm DONE for the night after that thought. I gotta go hold one of MY babies now...

[talwrite]

If you look, it says "Log Into Account". I'm pretty sure THAT'S the Criminal search, and that's NOT public

I know it was accessible to the public at one time, when I first searched back in 2009/2010. I recall records for him and her, back in 2005 & 2006, something with weapons. I even saw records on her brother and his ex-wife.

I obtained the records from the County Clerk page. There's a new County Clerk (last time I looked at this site it was a female).
It was in the area where you find marriages. The menu used to include Misdemeanors. I was honestly surprised to find the information in the first place. Guess we no longer have access to it.

[MadeaBecBec]

Should Allgood be found guilty, Texas City police confirmed they have been asked to testify during the punishment phase of the trial.
http://galvestondailynews.com/blog/5754/

His arrest record is going to be brought up then..... Yippee Ky I Aye!!

[radi0ph0nic]

The one with the most shots, Kevin, is evidently the most targeted. Unfortunately, he is the recipient of a lot of anger. Kevin was shot first the 4x, then Anika the 2x, then Courtney the 1x. This could be someone losing steam, so to speak.


No, the baby was shot just once. It went THROUGH HER ARM, into her head. They said it looked as if she was awake and raised her arm to defend herself.


It was the guy that the upstairs neighbor called the first time Chris was outside with the gun. He testified hearing one shot come from downstairs, and seconds later heard 4 or 5 more shots.

This makes sense seeing as Courtney was shot once in the head, at a downward angle. She was sitting at the computer at the time. Then he goes to the back bedroom, shooting Kevin in the back of the head four times. Then turning the gun on Anika, her more than likely awake and looking at him, shoots her in the arm, it exiting into her head. Then shoots her directly in the face.

(I'm going with whatever Justice says cuz he/she knows everything :smile2:) - So it was Courtney at the computer x1, then Kevin in the back bedroom x4, then Anika also in the back bedroom x2 ... or was it Colonel Mustard with the lead pipe in the study?

Also, I find it amusing that the defense's argument in their closing statement was that she pulled a knife on him so he shot her in self defense, seeing as that doesn't really explain the other two deaths, unless ya think she shot 2 people, then put the gun down because she really wanted to stab Allgood instead of shooting him (I'm sure it was because she felt he wasn't worth wasting a bullet on), but left the gun next to him so he could grab it when he woke up, enabling him to get the drop on her. It sounds like the poorly written plot to a Days of Our Lives episode, with Alison Sweeney starring as Courtney... and I'm sure Nell would love to see that!

[Nell]

Yeah I agree it is farfetched at best.

This is what likely happened.

Courtney was at the computer, Bones and Anika asleep in the bedroom. Chris and Courtney got in a fight, she most likely told him she was moving out because he was violent, not to mention had a small penis. He shoots her, then thinks "AH SHIT!" And hurries into the bedroom to kill Bones, then Anika, cause she woke up and he was afraid she would tell on him.

I do hate that fucking Alison Sweeney though. God I do.

[MandaMalice]

Me too....it kills me to think there are people out there still saying courtney killed her daughter...even with all the evidence to the contrary. She doesnt deserve to have her memory tainted like that!

WORD! If I was Courtney's family, I would demand that they at least CLEARED her of the killings.



Maybe...and this is just speculation, maybe chris, in a drunken stupor, got it in his head that courtney was cheating with bones and overreacted...exponentially...we will probably never know tho :(

This is definitely one of those "You had to know them" things, but I just don't why Allgood would think that about Bones.



anyone think there might have been more than just alcohol involved that night?
coke can make even a nun fly off the handle

Okay, now this is a topic I've studied ALLOT and while "coke" and any kind of "Upper" would definitely be something to suspect Courtney of abusing because people with Bipolar Disorder commonly abuse "Uppers" because it will put them in a "Manic" state. And being "Manic" is fun FUN FUN to them.

But in Courtney's case, her history of drug abuse was a "Downer".

Plus, "Coke" is a quicker high, and doesn't usually lasts long as something like "Crank", "Meth" or "Ice".

In my opinion, you can't get much worse than Alcohol when it comes to contributing to violence.

The only things I could think of that would be worse are "P.C.P.","Sherm" or those damn bath salts.

Those make people INSANE. They see and hear things that are not there. And if his lawyers could have said he was "trippin" I would think they would have tried that when they said "Even he doesn't know what happen that night" <--- Please read that in a "stuff" "pompous" lawyer voice, cause that's what I heard when I wrote it.


I know it was accessible to the public at one time, when I first searched back in 2009/2010. I recall records for him and her, back in 2005 & 2006, something with weapons. I even saw records on her brother and his ex-wife.

I obtained the records from the County Clerk page. There's a new County Clerk (last time I looked at this site it was a female).
It was in the area where you find marriages. The menu used to include Misdemeanors. I was honestly surprised to find the information in the first place. Guess we no longer have access to it.

That IS CRAZY! Maybe it was once available because it was just Misdemeanors. In Brazoria County you can look up ANYTHING! Which is how I think it should be.

Like I said, my Mom worked in legal field for many years & I always ask her for tips on how to dig stuff like that up. All I could guess is that it was a site mess up, because she told me her boss had an account that she used to look up stuff for his cases.


http://galvestondailynews.com/blog/5754/

His arrest record is going to be brought up then..... Yippee Ky I Aye!!

That's what I'm hearing!!! I hope that maybe this will also bring some attention to the Texas City D.A. because WHY was the charges DROP when he had a clear pattern of violence?

The reason Texas law lets the D.A. press the charges even if the victim doesn't want to is so this can be prevented!

Since it's common for the victim to later drop all charges in Domestic Abuse case, it's up to the D.A. to make sure they are charged.

Why have laws like that if they are not gonna use them?


Anika also in the back bedroom x2 ...

My Bad! I miss read that!

Or, maybe I just don't wanna think of the poor baby being shot once, let alone twice



Also, I find it amusing that the defense's argument in their closing statement was that she pulled a knife on him so he shot her in self defense, seeing as that doesn't really explain the other two deaths, unless ya think she shot 2 people, then put the gun down because she really wanted to stab Allgood instead of shooting him (I'm sure it was because she felt he wasn't worth wasting a bullet on), but left the gun next to him so he could grab it when he woke up, enabling him to get the drop on her.

RIGHT! Plus, he was seen outside WITH THE GUN right before the shooting was heard!

So did she say "Okay, you just sit here on the couch while I kill our baby & friend" and he just handed the gun over to her & once she was done told Allgood "Okay, just let me check MySpace real quick before you shoot me in the head".

Whatever! Allgood is a dumbass!


not to mention had a small penis.

Oh, I think in could fall in LOVE with you!

[MandaMalice]

that's what the prosecution alleges, that she was sitting at her computer. computer forensics would have been nice, to figure out if she was actually online, posting anything.

I don't know dude, but I'm pretty sure if she had been online looking at sites like:

www.How To Frame My Boyfriend For Murder.com

they would have brought it up at trail...

[CRR]

I've replied before on this thread as a friend of Courtney's but it was back when it first started. Yesterday was more emotional then when I found out she was killed.

I am still left in confusion on if he will be charged in the other deaths. If the jury dismissed his self defense claim then maybe they hadn't charged him with the others in the first place to use this verdict as evidence.

I believe someone said something along the lines of why would she shoot the other two and come at him with a knife. Exactly my thoughts but also if he was the cause for all of her issues and she snapped why would she shoot her daughter and friend then go sit on the computer.

I have heard they do not have sufficient evidence to charge him with the other two and I cannot wrap my head around that. They have a witness who saw him outside with the weapon before the shootings and after the shootings. Another witness hears one shot then several seconds later 4 to 5 shots.

I only hope that the baby was not awake when he shot her. It hurts my heart to think that she may have been.

[Justice4CAB]

Just wanted to share this... The bandaid on his cheek, that I personally have wondered about, is the teardrop he had tatooed while he's been in jail. I think we all know what this means. What a POS!!!

[walkingeagle]

Just wanted to share this... The bandaid on his cheek, that I personally have wondered about, is the teardrop he had tatooed while he's been in jail. I think we all know what this means. What a POS!!! Is this in addition to the Shhh tat, or was that one mistaken?

[Rockin Ma]

Thanks guys for pointing to PDF reports but I meant for this particular case

[Rockin Ma]

Just wanted to share this... The bandaid on his cheek, that I personally have wondered about, is the teardrop he had tatooed while he's been in jail. I think we all know what this means. What a POS!!! think when it's over he'll add 2 more?

[MandaMalice]

Yes, I know that I just posted that he was a Fire Fighter. He was also Texas Police Officer before that. And before that he worked in construction. And before THAT he was in the Navy. So now he just needs to go to Cowboy School & Indian School so we'll have ALL of the "Village People" outfits!


I apologize in advance for this but I can't help it:

It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A !

a little humor is needed right now, don't ya think?

My Mom says he has an "Uniform Fetish"!

Hahaha!

[walkingeagle]

coke can make even a nun fly off the handle I just have to say I love this one!

[walkingeagle]

My Mom says he has an "Uniform Fetish"!

Hahaha!http://www.4shared.com/file/80108287/d9cea94f/ymca.html

I apologize for only giving up the audio on this, but YT took the video down! You would have fallen out of your chair with that one!


ETA: The biker guy from the original VP, has actually heard this one and liked it!

[LucyLawless]

Well in my absence I have learned a lot more information. Chris did admit to killing Courtney, we all knew that and from what has recently come to light has me even more convinced he did not commit the other two. The media had a field day with the trial and skewed so much information. I have been very open to any info given and from what I know I am even more convinced that he did not commit the other two murders. I'm sorry if this offends anyone but I have my reasons and I will stand by them as will anyone else will stand by theirs. Yes his past will be brought out and so will hers so the power is held by the jury to determine his sentence.

[Nell]

I have been very open to any info given and from what I know I am even more convinced that he did not commit the other two murders. I'm sorry if this offends anyone but I have my reasons and I will stand by them as will anyone else will stand by theirs.

So, what are they?

[walkingeagle]

So, what are they? He only tatted one teardrop!

[LucyLawless]

Well, I have been attending the trial and have seen testimony for both sides. There was much more GSR on Courtney's right had than what would be consistent with being shot. It has been testified that her GSR pattern is much more consisitent with a shooter than a victim of one gunshot. Her right hand alone had more GSR than the entry wound in her head. This is even more consistent with firing the rifle REPEATEDLY and there were 7 rounds shot in her daughter's room. Her body was covered including all of her clothes and undergarments. She was not on "MySpace" innocently when she was shot, she was chopping her hair off with a steak knife, something she had done before. I won't go into the gruesome details out of respect to the families. There were 2 very different shooters in that apt that night and it is obvious. One did it out of impulse and one out of uncontrollable rage. Given her track record of mental instability and violent outbursts, I 100% believe she killed Anika and Bones.

[walkingeagle]

Are you serious? That sounds nothing like what we have heard since you went silent!

[talwrite]

Well in my absence I have learned a lot more information. Chris did admit to killing Courtney, we all knew that and from what has recently come to light has me even more convinced he did not commit the other two. The media had a field day with the trial and skewed so much information. I have been very open to any info given and from what I know I am even more convinced that he did not commit the other two murders. I'm sorry if this offends anyone but I have my reasons and I will stand by them as will anyone else will stand by theirs. Yes his past will be brought out and so will hers so the power is held by the jury to determine his sentence.

Lucy, glad to see you back and glad you're speaking out. I too still think he is only guilty of killing her. I too have my reasons. Every time I hear him speak or look at him, I just know, he is telling the truth. Furthermore, I will add that I think Courtney's life was a tragedy from the start.

[walkingeagle]

Who was shot first?

[Nell]

Lucy, glad to see you back and glad you're speaking out. I too still think he is only guilty of killing her. I too have my reasons. Every time I hear him speak or look at him, I just know, he is telling the truth. Furthermore, I will add that I think Courtney's life was a tragedy from the start.

Then spill um. I don't have to agree, and I don't, but i will listen. Or read, as the case may be. And it can't just be a "feeling." I have a feeling that Darlie Routier isn't guilty, but i wouldn't spring her from prison just yet.

[LucyLawless]

That's exactly my point. The press was present very little depending on what witness was testifying and what they were wanting to use in their newsclip that day. I was there from morning to evening to see everything. In the court of public opinion he did it. Forensically both used that gun that night. As far as Chris having the gun earlier that evening, the prosecutions own DNA witness testified that there were more than just Chris' DNA profile present. They didn't get any blood off the gun they pulled other bodily fluids and matter I.E. Sweat and skin cells from the surface of the skin (like holding something against you). There was in fact a knife by the body as well as a knife on the other desk across from hers with a knife that she had put to his throat earlier during the start of the argument that took place much earlier in the night, hence Chris going to sleep. She was already enraged before the shooting took place. Regarding the 2 weeks prior when she was arrested for hitting Chris with a chair and scratching and punching his face that left him with a bloody mouth, he did not hit her even though they were both intoxicated heavily. Her Blood Alcohol Level the night of the shooting was beyond what most people could handle. She also had her bipolar meds that were not opened nor used by her. These were medications that she HAD to have to be able to behave normally and not have manic (among other) episodes. She did not have them in her system at all not even a trace, but she did have tons of alcohol which clearly shows she gets violent (extremely). That argument stemmed from jealousy and she was the aggressor. I still respect if this info does not change anybody's opinion, but these are FACTS that I first hand witnessed in the court room and most of it came from the prosecution's witnesses.

[walkingeagle]

Nell, I am trying my best to remain civil here, but these 2 are beating the bush!

[talwrite]

There was much more GSR on Courtney's right had than what would be consistent with being shot. It has been testified that her GSR pattern is much more consisitent with a shooter than a victim of one gunshot. Her right hand alone had more GSR than the entry wound in her head. This is even more consistent with firing the rifle REPEATEDLY and there were 7 rounds shot in her daughter's room. Her body was covered including all of her clothes and undergarments. She was not on "MySpace" innocently when she was shot, she was chopping her hair off with a steak knife, something she had done before. I won't go into the gruesome details out of respect to the families. There were 2 very different shooters in that apt that night and it is obvious. One did it out of impulse and one out of uncontrollable rage. Given her track record of mental instability and violent outbursts, I 100% believe she killed Anika and Bones.

1) About the GSR: In the chart where they have the diagram of GSR, can you tell me what the blue dots represented, versus the red dots? And I noticed too a lot of dots on her right hand and left temple. My thinking is the left temple could be where she held the gun up.

2) Different shooters: Kevin was a target of intense rage (manic episode). I have a theory of why, but I will not share for personal reasons. Anika was at a lesser degree, and again I have a theory why so. I think you're right -- Courtney was killed out of impulse, Anika and Kevin killed out of rage.

3) The Hair: Typical behavior of someone hating themselves, or in manic state.

4) Myspace: This is why I posted earlier about computer forensics. Of course I only received smartass responses. Dimartino could have easily backed up his theory that she was sitting at her desk on her computer when she was shot.
The manic side of bipolar disorder typically is strongest in summer months.

I hope his family gets in touch with the Innocence Project. Or someone on his behalf. I hope they believe him as much as I do.

[Nell]

Jealousy of whom? Are you saying she was jealous of Chris for some reason? And why kill Anika? I don't understand that at all.

[Nell]

1) About the GSR: In the chart where they have the diagram of GSR, can you tell me what the blue dots represented, versus the red dots? And I noticed too a lot of dots on her right hand and left temple. My thinking is the left temple could be where she held the gun up.

2) Different shooters: Kevin was a target of intense rage (manic episode). I have a theory of why, but I will not share for personal reasons. Anika was at a lesser degree, and again I have a theory why so. I think you're right -- Courtney was killed out of impulse, Anika and Kevin killed out of rage.

3) The Hair: Typical behavior of someone hating themselves, or in manic state.

4) Myspace: This is why I posted earlier about computer forensics. Of course I only received smartass responses. Dimartino could have easily backed up his theory that she was sitting at her desk on her computer when she was shot.
The manic side of bipolar disorder typically is strongest in summer months.

I hope his family gets in touch with the Innocence Project. Or someone on his behalf. I hope they believe him as much as I do.

Then I got nothing to say. This is at an impasse now, and even I know when to give up.

walkingeagle

I will tell you my theory of why Darlie Routier is innocent and what really happened. That is more interesting.

[walkingeagle]

Honestly! The only theory that even makes sense, is that she was shot at her PC, then the person moved to the back room and killed the other 2! Nothing else seems plausible here!

[talwrite]

Then spill um. I don't have to agree, and I don't, but i will listen. Or read, as the case may be. And it can't just be a "feeling." I have a feeling that Darlie Routier isn't guilty, but i wouldn't spring her from prison just yet.

There are certain things I will not state here on a message board. I appreciate your offer to listen, and perhaps you will get to someday. I'm just not at that point.

[Nell]

You know you could run down a scenario that would make sense like i tried too without spilling all the family secrets.

Never mind, Maury is on now.

[walkingeagle]

Then I got nothing to say. This is at an impasse now, and even I know when to give up.

walkingeagle

I will tell you my theory of why Darlie Routier is innocent and what really happened. That is more interesting. Is there a thread on that one Nell?

[LucyLawless]

would also like to say that there was tons of facts that could not be brought into court until after the verdict because "Courtney is not on trial" . The prosecution depicted her as a normal person that was capable of making rational decisions and behave like a normal, well adjusted person. She was capable WHEN SHE WAS ON HER MEDS. She was in fact NOT that night. The person that supposedly Courtney was going to leave Chris to go live with repeatedly referred to her as "a little sister" but when cross examined didn't know any details about her that close "friends" should know.She looked ridiculous up there on the stand. Chris lived in San Antonio for months and had regular visits with Anika before Courtney decided to follow him and go live with him. Being a mother full time was too hard for Courtney. She was not accustomed to it even though she was already a mother. We all know though that she did NOT have custody of her other daughter and not because it was a better situation for her but it was out of convenience and it was easier to voluntarily give your child to the other parent because no doubt she would've been taken. Between giving her older daughter to her father and having Anika full time she was a regular patron of the local rehabs and bars. She did not know what it was like to be a mother 24hrs a day until the move to San Antonio and I truly believe it was too much for her and she had massive amounts of resentment towards Anika because she was so mentally ill she saw her as a nuisance more than anything.

[talwrite]

That's exactly my point. The press was present very little depending on what witness was testifying and what they were wanting to use in their newsclip that day. I was there from morning to evening to see everything. In the court of public opinion he did it. Forensically both used that gun that night. As far as Chris having the gun earlier that evening, the prosecutions own DNA witness testified that there were more than just Chris' DNA profile present. They didn't get any blood off the gun they pulled other bodily fluids and matter I.E. Sweat and skin cells from the surface of the skin (like holding something against you). There was in fact a knife by the body as well as a knife on the other desk across from hers with a knife that she had put to his throat earlier during the start of the argument that took place much earlier in the night, hence Chris going to sleep. She was already enraged before the shooting took place. Regarding the 2 weeks prior when she was arrested for hitting Chris with a chair and scratching and punching his face that left him with a bloody mouth, he did not hit her even though they were both intoxicated heavily. Her Blood Alcohol Level the night of the shooting was beyond what most people could handle. She also had her bipolar meds that were not opened nor used by her. These were medications that she HAD to have to be able to behave normally and not have manic (among other) episodes. She did not have them in her system at all not even a trace, but she did have tons of alcohol which clearly shows she gets violent (extremely). That argument stemmed from jealousy and she was the aggressor. I still respect if this info does not change anybody's opinion, but these are FACTS that I first hand witnessed in the court room and most of it came from the prosecution's witnesses.

I wish I could have gone to the trial. Really. I wonder if the jury was allowed to go home each day. You know if so they probably read the news.

I wondered if she was on her meds. I know at one point, she was having trouble getting meds from a doctor. I also wondered about the alcohol level. Thank you for posting this. We're always so quick to blame the man, that's why the news seems one sided. Plus everybody coming out know saying they're her friend and they love her and that. Kevin was her one true friend at the end. Everyone else disappointed her in some way. But surprise, surprise, they're all full of love for her now. They know only the outer layer of her. They didn't know the inner Courtney.

[Nell]

Is there a thread on that one Nell?

No, but you can read here.

http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/darlieroutier.htm

[talwrite]

You know you could run down a scenario that would make sense like i tried too without spilling all the family secrets.

it has nothing to do with family secrets.

[Nell]

would also like to say that there was tons of facts that could not be brought into court until after the verdict because "Courtney is not on trial" . The prosecution depicted her as a normal person that was capable of making rational decisions and behave like a normal, well adjusted person. She was capable WHEN SHE WAS ON HER MEDS. She was in fact NOT that night. The person that supposedly Courtney was going to leave Chris to go live with repeatedly referred to her as "a little sister" but when cross examined didn't know any details about her that close "friends" should know.She looked ridiculous up there on the stand. Chris lived in San Antonio for months and had regular visits with Anika before Courtney decided to follow him and go live with him. Being a mother full time was too hard for Courtney. She was not accustomed to it even though she was already a mother. We all know though that she did NOT have custody of her other daughter and not because it was a better situation for her but it was out of convenience and it was easier to voluntarily give your child to the other parent because no doubt she would've been taken. Between giving her older daughter to her father and having Anika full time she was a regular patron of the local rehabs and bars. She did not know what it was like to be a mother 24hrs a day until the move to San Antonio and I truly believe it was too much for her and she had massive amounts of resentment towards Anika because she was so mentally ill she saw her as a nuisance more than anything.

I enjoy reading your replies, but please stop saying the bolded as if having a child living with the other parent is proof she was a shit mom. It is pissing me off. My boys live with their father, it does not make me a shit parent.

And please use some paragraphs. It is hard to read a word wall.

[talwrite]

LucyLawless

tell me about the interrogation. were you able to view the entire thing, or did the pros. just play parts of it? do you believe Chris is telling the truth? is he just a little confused (the so-called different stories).

[talwrite]

Jealousy of whom? Are you saying she was jealous of Chris for some reason? And why kill Anika? I don't understand that at all.

are you asking Lucy or me? who said jealousy? i can't find that post

[talwrite]

would also like to say that there was tons of facts that could not be brought into court until after the verdict because "Courtney is not on trial" . The prosecution depicted her as a normal person that was capable of making rational decisions and behave like a normal, well adjusted person. She was capable WHEN SHE WAS ON HER MEDS. She was in fact NOT that night. The person that supposedly Courtney was going to leave Chris to go live with repeatedly referred to her as "a little sister" but when cross examined didn't know any details about her that close "friends" should know.She looked ridiculous up there on the stand. Chris lived in San Antonio for months and had regular visits with Anika before Courtney decided to follow him and go live with him. Being a mother full time was too hard for Courtney. She was not accustomed to it even though she was already a mother. We all know though that she did NOT have custody of her other daughter and not because it was a better situation for her but it was out of convenience and it was easier to voluntarily give your child to the other parent because no doubt she would've been taken. Between giving her older daughter to her father and having Anika full time she was a regular patron of the local rehabs and bars. She did not know what it was like to be a mother 24hrs a day until the move to San Antonio and I truly believe it was too much for her and she had massive amounts of resentment towards Anika because she was so mentally ill she saw her as a nuisance more than anything.

Exactly - I don't think her friends really knew the real Courtney. They were surface friends - someone you go with to a screeching weasel concert but not much more. I have read many things that she has written over the years. One of the things is how much this person failed her, or that person let her down. Kevin was the last one she could count on. I didn't think of that before, your point about being the full time mother finally getting to her. In the past she's lived with her mom, her grandma, etc. Close family. And this situation with Dawn, if in fact she was going to move in with her, that would have only been a temporary solution. I have no issues against Dawn personally - I honestly think she thinks she was trying to help. But the reality of it would have been a disaster. And I think it was just talk. If she had wanted to move, I doubt seriously Chris would have minded at all. He was into his music, and his production studio was really starting to blossom. He was on the UP. Courtney had no job, no vehicle, one daughter gone. She was on the DOWN.

[Nell]

I was talking to Lucy, about this part of her post.


These were medications that she HAD to have to be able to behave normally and not have manic (among other) episodes. She did not have them in her system at all not even a trace, but she did have tons of alcohol which clearly shows she gets violent (extremely). That argument stemmed from jealousy and she was the aggressor. I still respect if this info does not change anybody's opinion, but these are FACTS that I first hand witnessed in the court room and most of it came from the prosecution's witnesses.

[talwrite]

I enjoy reading your replies, but please stop saying the bolded as if having a child living with the other parent is proof she was a shit mom. It is pissing me off. My boys live with their father, it does not make me a shit parent.

And please use some paragraphs. It is hard to read a word wall.

Courtney was devastated that she had to let Wendy go. And her father is definitely not going to win father of the year.

[walkingeagle]

No, but you can read here.

http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/darlieroutier.htm Is it possible to start a thread on this one so we don't hijack this thread?

[Mommyof2]

Is it possible to start a thread on this one so we don't hijack this thread?

I think it would be an interesting thread.. You could call it something like Darlie Routier Guilty or Not? I bet it would make for a good conversation!

Edit to add: Nell already started it woot woot!

[Nell]

Done.

[walkingeagle]

1) I hope his family gets in touch with the Innocence Project. Or someone on his behalf. I hope they believe him as much as I do. That "GAYngster" teardrop will certainly help him along with the admission!

[talwrite]

That "GAYngster" teardrop

what's with the petty call against gays?

[walkingeagle]

what's with the petty call against gays? Junior! You are clueless!

[LucyLawless]

I really first want to say I'm sorry, I did not mean to offend you.
Secondly, I don't think it makes anyone a bad mom if the children are with their father.
It all depends on the intention behind the decision. If someone turns custody over to the other parent because it was the best thing for the child than that means that they love them enough to put them first. Even though it is sad for the parent they do it out of love and I would consider that genuine care for your child.
However if the child is given to the other parent because of a history of neglect, drug abuse, and lack of parenting skill then yes that in my opinion is a bad mom. Yes there might be a little bit of sadness but it quickly fades when you go back to doing whatever you want and not having to be responsible for anything.

[MandaMalice]

Just wanted to share this... The bandaid on his cheek, that I personally have wondered about, is the teardrop he had tatooed while he's been in jail. I think we all know what this means. What a POS!!!

What a freaking idiot! In the prison tattoo world, a tear drop is for one of two things: Doing LOOOOOONG prison sentence or KILLING SOMEONE.

Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong with that!

So, since he has never spent more than ten days in jail...

Or maybe to a pussy like him, ten days IS a prison sentence?

[MandaMalice]

http://www.4shared.com/file/80108287/d9cea94f/ymca.html

I apologize for only giving up the audio on this, but YT took the video down! You would have fallen out of your chair with that one!


ETA: The biker guy from the original VP, has actually heard this one and liked it!

LOVE IT!

[MandaMalice]

I hope his family gets in touch with the Innocence Project. Or someone on his behalf. I hope they believe him as much as I do.

You got to be fucking kidding me...

[walkingeagle]

What a freaking idiot! In the prison tattoo world, a tear drop is for one of two things: Doing LOOOOOONG prison sentence or KILLING SOMEONE.

Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong with that!

So, since he has never spent more than ten days in jail...

Or maybe to a pussy like him, ten days IS a prison sentence? He's gayngsterizing the teardrop! He wants to look all bad ass when he hits the booty house!

[MandaMalice]

Hey LucyLawless & talwrite,

Unless I missed something, didn't a jury of his peers just find him guilty as charged?

It funny how both of y'all said before the verdict "not to judge" and that y'all felt it could go either way, and wait till the trial was over....

[walkingeagle]

LOVE IT!This whole version of YMCA came from a scam out of Africa! A fellow baiter turned the scammer into a greedy scammer and this was only a portion of the result!

[MandaMalice]

Okay, I know this is random but this whole "like" & "thank" the on the comments SUCK on my iPhone cause I keep tapping comments that I DON NOT "like" or wanna "thank"

Just wanted to note that so y'all don't start thinking that I'm not just a big mouth bitch but a CRAZY COMMENT LIKER TOO!!

[princessgrandma]

I don't really know everything about this case, but there has been some really helpful info that has come from the person who was actually in the courtroom. Was that Justice4CAB? I think? It was a relief to get actual nitty gritty from the courtroom, especially with the biting and snarking that's been in this thread almost from day one, on and off.

Here's what I believe. I believe that Chris Allgood shot Courtney. He has been convicted of that and will be sentenced on Monday. Done deal. For the Innocence Project to get involved, there better be some pretty darned ironclad DNA evidence supporting Allgood, or they won't go near it.

If it took the jury less than two hours to convict him for Courtney's murder, I think the prosecutors need to strike while the iron is hot and get him charged with the other two murders. With all the stories Allgood gave, I believe that he is guilty of all three murders. Now... slap me down if you want to. I don't care. I can express my opinion as much as anyone else. I honestly believe that he was angry b/c she was leaving, he thought that Bones had something to do with that (which is why he got the worst of it), so he shot Bones b/c of that. I believe he shot the baby b/c she was Courtney's baby. I believe Courtney was shot first, while sitting at the computer. What I don't have a clue about is whether he then shot Bones or the baby next.

I don't know anyone in this family, and I am not a friend or relative. I'm just going on what I have seen and read.

I will tell you that I, too, am bipolar, with a really terrible history of deciding to go off my meds b/c I'm feeling better and think I don't need them anymore. Basically, I am my own worst enemy, but I will tell you, I am 53 years old, and never once have I been violent against another person. The person I harm or try to harm is ME. The last person that I would harm would be one of my children or grandchildren. I have never been violent toward my husband. It makes me sick to hear people talk about how "violent" bipolars are. That is not always the case.

I hope that this case eventually has complete justice for all the victims of this crime.

[MadeaBecBec]

Well, I have been attending the trial and have seen testimony for both sides. There was much more GSR on Courtney's right had than what would be consistent with being shot. It has been testified that her GSR pattern is much more consisitent with a shooter than a victim of one gunshot. Her right hand alone had more GSR than the entry wound in her head. This is even more consistent with firing the rifle REPEATEDLY and there were 7 rounds shot in her daughter's room. Her body was covered including all of her clothes and undergarments. She was not on "MySpace" innocently when she was shot, she was chopping her hair off with a steak knife, something she had done before. I won't go into the gruesome details out of respect to the families. There were 2 very different shooters in that apt that night and it is obvious. One did it out of impulse and one out of uncontrollable rage. Given her track record of mental instability and violent outbursts, I 100% believe she killed Anika and Bones.

So you were in court, eh? And they told this? AND the jury still found him guilty of MURDER? Wow, so you think these jurors are just plain ignorant and can't weigh the evidence presented by the defense or the prosecution and come to a true verdict?

If this scenario you just told wasn't presented in this case, you are just repeating what Christopher Allevil has told and you have repeated it for fact.
Heads up, LucyLawless, I will contact some folks to find out if this was told in court!!! And I will be back with their answer!

[Rockin Ma]

It's possible she grabbed the gun when he shot her. Maybe she didn't think he'd shoot her and hit the gun out the way only to get shot at that moment. I Forget what kind of gun it was. Witness reports are one shot followed by the others later I believe which is why i say he did it to all three of them.

[talwrite]

I believe that Chris Allgood shot Courtney. He has been convicted of that ... For the Innocence Project to get involved, there better be some pretty darned ironclad DNA evidence supporting Allgood, or they won't go near it.

After additional research, I found out you're right: IP handles DNA related cases. There is another group that might be helpful. Lots of young law students out there need all the practice and experience they can get.


If it took the jury less than two hours to convict him for Courtney's murder, I think the prosecutors need to strike while the iron is hot and get him charged with the other two murders.

A new jury (or two new juries) would handle the next two charges. It is possible a different jury will have a different opinion. We'll see.


With all the stories Allgood gave, I believe that he is guilty of all three murders... I can express my opinion as much as anyone else. I honestly believe that he was angry b/c she was leaving, he thought that Bones had something to do with that (which is why he got the worst of it), so he shot Bones b/c of that. I believe he shot the baby b/c she was Courtney's baby. I believe Courtney was shot first, while sitting at the computer. What I don't have a clue about is whether he then shot Bones or the baby next.

Go to youtube and search for police interrogations. They have amazing techniques that they use. It wouldn't surprise me at all to hear Allgood tell slightly different accounts. And the differences are slight. He was coming off a drunken night. The different accounts could be attributed to shock and alcohol.

I still do not buy that Courtney was leaving. And this is where I have trouble accepting that he is responsible for Kevin and Anika. There is so much on this message board, I can't recall if someone has come up with alternatives. Courtney's leaving is one motive, and it's the only motive I've heard so far. I would need to hear another motive.

Kevin was a really good person, down to earth. I don't see that he would have ever taken sides with either of them. He would have helped Courtney move out if she wanted, but he would have done it in a way that he would make sure Chris was calm and all for it. Again, though, she wasn't planning to move.



I'm just going on what I have seen and read.

Same here, and I can tell you since this is the only homicide case I am researching at the moment, since it first happened, I have probably read, heard, and seen more than most people.


I will tell you that I, too, am bipolar, with a really terrible history of deciding to go off my meds b/c I'm feeling better and think I don't need them anymore. Basically, I am my own worst enemy, but I will tell you, I am 53 years old, and never once have I been violent against another person. The person I harm or try to harm is ME. It makes me sick to hear people talk about how "violent" bipolars are. That is not always the case.

Princess Grandma, I really hope you stay on your meds. If they help you, stay on them. If they're not helping, tell your doctor.

But in Courtney's situation, she had trouble time and time again finding a good doctor much less the right medicine. So many afflicted with the bipolar disorder discover that one drug that might work for others doesn't work for them, or what drug did work no longer does. Courtney attempted suicide when she was young. We are ALL capable of taking our own life, and lives around us. It's human nature. But I would never say that people with bipolar are violent. They can however have manic episodes where violence is a factor.

[talwrite]

AND the jury still found him guilty of MURDER? Wow, so you think these jurors are just plain ignorant and can't weigh the evidence presented by the defense or the prosecution and come to a true verdict?

I will contact some folks to find out if this was told in court!!! And I will be back with their answer!

Typical Texan Juror statement, "Let's just find this guy guilty so we can all go home and be done with it. I got fish to fry. He's guilty otherwise he wouldn't be here."

[ilookatfacts]

I wish I could have gone to the trial. Really. I wonder if the jury was allowed to go home each day. You know if so they probably read the news.

Jury members are allowed to go home during the trial; they're only sequestered during deliberation.

When you're a juror, you take an oath that you will not use any outside information that you knew about the case prior to being selected and that you will not read any new information or discuss the trial with anyone, not even your spouse until a verdict has been reached and delivered. When a juror completes their service, they are told that they are free to discuss and read about the trial.

____

The thing that REALLY annoys me about the prosecution saying that she was sitting at the computer when he came up behind her is this:

Her B.A.C. was 2.2. That is a lethal amount of alcohol for anyone. The legal limit in Texas is .08, which means that she was almost triple the legal limit. That is a fuck-ton of alcohol.

For anyone who has been really drunk, you know that sitting up is difficult, much less being able to coherently type and surf the internet.

She was not innocently checking her MySpace or anything of that nature.

I wasn't at the trial, but after reading Lucy's post and hearing a lot about the GSR, I am pretty convinced that he only killed Courtney, and he never denied that...it's the intent of the murder that was in question.

[talwrite]

The thing that REALLY annoys me about the prosecution saying that she was sitting at the computer when he came up behind her is this:

Her B.A.C. was 2.2. That is a lethal amount of alcohol for anyone...For anyone who has been really drunk, you know that sitting up is difficult, much less being able to coherently type and surf the internet.

She was not innocently checking her MySpace or anything of that nature.

...convinced that he only killed Courtney, and he never denied that...it's the intent of the murder that was in question.

that last sentence ---- i wish i had said it like that! exactly! when he says he didn't do it, he is referring to the other two. i question the motive that the prosecution presents.

and your point about being too drunk to type, i hadn't thought of that before. but it fits. thanks for pointing that out...

[ilookatfacts]

and your point about being too drunk to type, i hadn't thought of that before. but it fits. thanks for pointing that out...

I was amazed at how many people hadn't look at it from that perspective, actually. When I heard what her B.A.C was, that was my first thought. Granted, I'm sure that he was out of it as well, but I think about it like this:

If she really did kill Anika and Bones, if he was plastered, he could have easily been sitting in the other room not knowing what was going on. He kills her for whatever reason-- self-defense, crime-of-passion, whatever...goes outside firing the gun because he just doesn't know what else to do. He's in shock; his daughter and friend were just murdered, and he just killed his girlfriend.

He's questioned and because of the overall shock and level of toxicity, it makes sense to me that his story changed. I know that's been a huge reason to question if he killed all 3 or not, because of the story changing...but if alcohol was involved and his level of shock...to me that explains the irregularity in his answers---he was still trying to process it all.

I wasn't here that night, I do not know for sure what happened. But to me, facts are facts, and if you look at the facts with an open mind, it's amazing what you can see, you know?

[talwrite]

I believe his reason for killing her is more of a reaction to her killing them. He is in shock. I think everything went down really fast. I agree, he goes outside and fires the gun. His self-conscious is seeking someone's help.

Also, in the initial news accounts, there was a witness that said that they saw her outside alone. This was never brought up since. This would be helpful to find this person, to find out approximately what time they saw her.

There's also something about the upstairs neighbor finding them. (In the video, you can see her sitting upstairs while the police are downstairs taping up the scene.) Her son was friends with Chris. She tried to get her son to go check on them. When I've asked the others in the message board, who were the witnesses from the apartment, they don't say names. I wonder if their upstairs neighbors were trial witnesses.

Did the evidence ever show who was shot first? And if they died immediately upon being shot?

Geez, I have so many unanswered questions....

[MadeaBecBec]

Jury members are allowed to go home during the trial; they're only sequestered during deliberation.

When you're a juror, you take an oath that you will not use any outside information that you knew about the case prior to being selected and that you will not read any new information or discuss the trial with anyone, not even your spouse until a verdict has been reached and delivered. When a juror completes their service, they are told that they are free to discuss and read about the trial.

____

The thing that REALLY annoys me about the prosecution saying that she was sitting at the computer when he came up behind her is this:

Her B.A.C. was 2.2. That is a lethal amount of alcohol for anyone. The legal limit in Texas is .08, which means that she was almost triple the legal limit. That is a fuck-ton of alcohol.
For anyone who has been really drunk, you know that sitting up is difficult, much less being able to coherently type and surf the internet.

She was not innocently checking her MySpace or anything of that nature.

I wasn't at the trial, but after reading Lucy's post and hearing a lot about the GSR, I am pretty convinced that he only killed Courtney, and he never denied that...it's the intent of the murder that was in question.

I italicized in your post, what I am answering here, this is fact, it was pulled from her myspace page, as it was public, when the story first broke and posted on the FIRST page of this thread, she was posting on myspace, which would likely prove that, yes, she was sitting at the desk and able to sit up and type!!

#
Courtney Gass has been cookin with friends on independence day.
Mood: stoked!!!!!!!
at 1:50 AM Jul 5
Courtney Gass is stoked! bones is bringing my camera to us, woo hoo! Happy 4th everyone, bout to get ready for the BBQ today!
Mood: stoked!!!!!!!
at 7:11 PM Jul 4

@ ilookatfacts , Do you really?

[ilookatfacts]

I italicized in your post, what I am answering here, this is fact, it was pulled from her myspace page, as it was public, when the story first broke and posted on the FIRST page of this thread, she was posting on myspace, which would likely prove that, yes, she was sitting at the desk and able to sit up and type!!


@ ilookatfacts , Do you really?

It was reported that it all took place around 3am on July 5th.

Posting a status update at 1:50am doesn't mean that she sat there for an hour.

Again, I feel that a person who has a BAC of 2.2 is not going to be able to sit coherently at a computer.

[talwrite]

Did autopsy show what time they died? i know it was 5am that they found the bodies. it was about 3a when they picked up Chris.

and typing one little ol' line means nothing, especially at 2am. Hell, that's early by Courtney's standards.

[talwrite]

Her last post on Myspace was about having fun with friends on Independence Day. NO mention of Austin. Or moving.
furthermore, any normal person is a bad domestic situation would leave at the first opportunity. She wouldn't stick around for a BBQ.

[talwrite]

According to initial news reports and trial news reports, Bones was visiting them his way to Corpus Christi (Galveston Daily News 5/5/11).

Last time I looked at a map of Texas, Corpus is in the OPPOSITE direction of Austin.

Taking Courtney to Austin was not in the plans. He was going to Corpus Christi.

[ilookatfacts]

Her last post on Myspace was about having fun with friends on Independence Day. NO mention of Austin. Or moving.
furthermore, any normal person is a bad domestic situation would leave at the first opportunity. She wouldn't stick around for a BBQ.

I was just about to bring that up...weird.

The media and other people have been consistent in the last year saying that she was "set to leave Allgood"


Courtney Gass is stoked! bones is bringing my camera to us, woo hoo! Happy 4th everyone, bout to get ready for the BBQ today!
Mood: stoked!!!!!!!
at 7:11 PM Jul 4

1. She mentions right there why Bones was there...

2. Notice that she says "us" ...if she was ready to leave, even if the update was a ploy to convince Chris she was staying, she would've just said, "Bones is bringing my camera" ...when you're ready to leave someone you're miserable with, you quit saying "we" and "us"

The media quit talking about why Bones was really there a long time ago.

[ilookatfacts]

According to initial news reports and trial news reports, Bones was visiting them his way to Corpus Christi (Galveston Daily News 5/5/11).

Last time I looked at a map of Texas, Corpus is in the OPPOSITE direction of Austin.

Taking Courtney to Austin was not in the plans. He was going to Corpus Christi.


What?! Corpus isn't on the way to Austin?! The hell you say.

[Misskittychaos]

Just my two cents...*IF* I was worried about my safety I sure as hell wouldn't let on to ANYONE that I was leaving. I would wait until I could slip out, I would have asked my friend who was visiting as close to when he was leaving as I could manage to help me out. Hell I would come up with a reason to so go outside after he "left" taken the baby and ran.

Either way it doesn't matter all that matters is trying to find out WHO did the killing.

[Rockin Ma]

.22 BAC is not that bad for someone who drinks. It's over the legal limit for driving, but those are the typical readings I see when reDing DUI reports. I met a woman last week with a .413 the highest I have ever seen. The police took her to the hospital at 1:13 because they said it was against policy to hold someone with that high a reading (i agree most would be in a coma or dead). The hospital released her at 1:37, not at all concerned.

[Alf]

Again, I feel that a person who has a BAC of 2.2 is not going to be able to sit coherently at a computer.

Of course not. They'd be dead from alcohol poisoning.

BAC is expressed in percentages. The legal limit on BAC for driving, absent any other factors, is 0.08%. (Any non-zero BAC combined with intoxication behavior can result in a finding in court that the individual was driving under the influence; a BAC of 0.08% or greater, even in the absence of intoxication behaviors, will result in a finding that the individual was driving under the influence.) Somewhere here in the forums is a story or comment from a poster concerning a driver who was stopped and found to have a BAC of 0.7%+ and the arresting officer expressed astonishment that the person was still alive, much less mobile, much less even conscious. Your numbers state that Courtney had a BAC over three times that which astonished (not merely amazed, not merely surprised) an experienced police officer.

Please recheck them.

--Al

[MandaMalice]

SORRY IF SOMEONE HAS ALL READY BROUGHT THIS UP!
I'm too busy to read the new comments right now.


Quick question that just popped up that I wanted to ask walkingeagle & talwrite since they seemed to be the two most knowledgeable of firearms in this thread.

But if anyone else has some info, please chime in!

Does anyone KNOW (Not just heard from someone that HEARD from someone) how well Courtney knew how to use and operate the gun used in the shootings?

Because, since my Hubby has a history in Law Enforcement, he has pretty good understanding of Firearms. And as Fire Fighter/EMT, he is pretty much an expert on dealing with crazy people, drunk people AND crazy drunk people.

So I asked him if thought she would have been able to use the gun in the state on intoxication reported.

He basically said that using that gun was not "rocket science" and anyone could more than likely figure out how to fire it. So there is no question to him that she was able to fire the weapon.

BUT given the info of just how high her blood alcohol level was and the theory that lack of medication had put her in a "manic state",

would give some doubt that unless someone was fairly comfortable with using that gun,

that they could have been able to basically pull off an execution.


So, unless she was familiar with that weapon, it would NOT have been an easy task in the "state" she was reported to be in.


Anyone else have any feedback??

[Rockin Ma]

I also want to add that "the legal limit" has to do with driving only. Ct used to be .10 but federal funding for for highways would've been cut if not lowered.

[ilookatfacts]

It may only be a "legal limit" for driving purposes, but why is it the legal limit? Because you're impaired.

This had interesting information on the topic. http://bloodalcoholcalculator.org/bac-charts/

I did the BAC calculator on myself for the last time I was really drunk, and my BAC (according to the calculator) is estimated to be at .13...believe me, I was drunkity-drunk-drunk and I could hardly operate my phone. So if she was .22, which is almost twice as drunk as I was in this instance, then I highly doubt that she would have been able to sit in a chair and browse the internet.

I was told that her BAC was 2.2, but I'm sure that it was .22. I didn't catch that mistake until now. Apologies.

[Rockin Ma]

I disagree. A drinker can be at that level and surf the net. Like I said most DUI reports I read net an average of say .19 to .24. These people while yes "impaired" still operated a motor vehicle. How hard is it to sit in front of a computer. I've been drunk as he'll posting here before. I probably had many typos be for stumbling or falling up the stairs, but I did it.

[ilookatfacts]

I respect your opinion and your input, but at the same time, based on a person's chemical makeup, food in-take and any medications/drugs taken that day, everyone responds differently.

While I know that I compared experience to hers (if I was at .22 I'd be horribly ill and miserable), but I feel that other factors could change what her reactions might be. I feel that it's reasonable to think that for her, being that drunk could mean that she wouldn't be able to be typing away.

According to that chart, for her size, (I'm guessing she was in the 120-130lb range) .30 is considered lethal for her body type. If she was at .22, that's getting pretty close.

[Rockin Ma]

So then how'd she get in such a position by the computer where it looks pretty clear she was sitting at it?

[Rockin Ma]

And back to BAC levels, was she a regular drinker? What I mean is when I am technically over the limit to operate a motor vehicle I feel just fine. But say my sister who is shorter but maybe 80 lbs heavier than me would be plastered.

[Nell]

I still do not buy that Courtney was leaving. And this is where I have trouble accepting that he is responsible for Kevin and Anika. There is so much on this message board, I can't recall if someone has come up with alternatives. Courtney's leaving is one motive, and it's the only motive I've heard so far. I would need to hear another motive.

Kevin was a really good person, down to earth. I don't see that he would have ever taken sides with either of them. He would have helped Courtney move out if she wanted, but he would have done it in a way that he would make sure Chris was calm and all for it. Again, though, she wasn't planning to move.

They could have just been arguing, as they did.


Her last post on Myspace was about having fun with friends on Independence Day. NO mention of Austin. Or moving.
furthermore, any normal person is a bad domestic situation would leave at the first opportunity. She wouldn't stick around for a BBQ.

I stayed with my ex specifically for Fourth of July so my kids wouldn't be upset, so maybe you do't know all.

[Rockin Ma]

And to add to that no most normal people don't leave at first opportunity. It's a fact that leaving is the most dangerous time too which can stall the de vision for a long long time. Also mentioned Kevin would help her leave if she wanted to and there was huge jealously issues putting the possibility out there that why he was shot more.

[ilookatfacts]

So then how'd she get in such a position by the computer where it looks pretty clear she was sitting at it?

If someone had a gun pointing at you, what would you do? Wouldn't you get under something in the hope that they'll miss? It's in our nature to shield ourselves however we can as best we can. Maybe that was her only option. Again, I'm not saying that he didn't do it, he never denied shooting her.

Consider this: He discovers that she has shot Bones and Anika, he gets the gun (maybe taking it away from her, or maybe she had set it down and he picks it up) and he points it at her. She runs under the desk and maybe even pulls the chair in front of her, hoping that the desk and chair will catch the bullet.

[ilookatfacts]

I stayed with my ex specifically for Fourth of July so my kids wouldn't be upset, so maybe you do't know all.

Anika was 2 years old. I feel that a parent with a toddler isn't concerned about ruining a holiday like Independence Day over safety. Christmas? Sure. I get that. But Independence Day? Not for a toddler. For a 10 year-old, sure, but not for a 2 year old that doesn't know what Independence Day is.

[Nell]

Anika was 2 years old. I feel that a parent with a toddler isn't concerned about ruining a holiday like Independence Day over safety. Christmas? Sure. I get that. But Independence Day? Not for a toddler. For a 10 year-old, sure, but not for a 2 year old that doesn't know what Independence Day is.

Were you there? No. You asked who would wait, I said I did. Cause it was his favorite holiday and he would have made my life shit if i had left before then. And yes, the kids were 2 and 4.

We are just speculating here, remember? You speculated no one would wait if being abused, and i told you that wasn't always right.

[LDhummingbird]

Just wanted to refute one theory since I'm sick of Courtney's detractors putting it out there.

When I left the abusive relationship I was in, I did not let on I was leaving until almost the moment I walked out the door. It took me a couple of weeks to quietly plan where to go, how to get out safely, etc. (and a lot longer than that to gather up the courage to find a way out) and I was almost busted in the middle of my planning a time or two. I literally did not say a word about what was going on until I walked out the door. If I had been found out, I would have been stopped, possibly as lethally as Courtney was.

I have a feeling that people who speculate on how "any normal person in a bad domestic situation" would behave have never been in one.

[ilookatfacts]

Were you there? No. You asked who would wait, I said I did. Cause it was his favorite holiday and he would have made my life shit if i had left before then. And yes, the kids were 2 and 4.

We are just speculating here, remember? You speculated no one would wait if being abused, and i told you that wasn't always right.

You're getting really worked up, and FTR, the original quote that YOU quoted and that YOU are referring to wasn't a post by me.

Obviously, I wasn't there. I, too, am just speculating. Due to facts that I am choosing not to convey for the sake of anonymity, I will say that I feel pretty definite in saying that she wasn't planning on leaving him.

Remember, originally, the story wasn't that Bones was coming to help her move. The story was (and her MySpace status backs this up) that Bones was coming for camera equipment.

[TACO]

Anika was 2 years old. I feel that a parent with a toddler isn't concerned about ruining a holiday like Independence Day over safety. Christmas? Sure. I get that. But Independence Day? Not for a toddler. For a 10 year-old, sure, but not for a 2 year old that doesn't know what Independence Day is.
Well if you have not been in that situation, you do not now what you would do. Nell gave you an answer from experience...an unfortunate experience.
Don't get me wrong I often wondered why battered women stay, but from what I read it is a psychological reason.

[ilookatfacts]

Just wanted to refute one theory since I'm sick of Courtney's detractors putting it out there.

When I left the abusive relationship I was in, I did not let on I was leaving until almost the moment I walked out the door. It took me a couple of weeks to quietly plan where to go, how to get out safely, etc. (and a lot longer than that to gather up the courage to find a way out) and I was almost busted in the middle of my planning a time or two. I literally did not say a word about what was going on until I walked out the door. If I had found out, I would have been stopped, possibly as lethally as Courtney was.

I have a feeling that people who speculate on how "any normal person in a bad domestic situation" would behave have never been in one.


I agree that every situation here is different. And I also agree that if she were leaving, she probably wouldn't have told anyone. It's amazing though how many people claim to "know" that she was planning to leave.

This is why I believe that the details of things like this are very situational.

[ilookatfacts]

Well if you have not been in that situation, you do not now what you would do. Nell gave you an answer from experience...an unfortunate experience.
Don't get me wrong I often wondered why battered women stay, but from what I read it is a psychological reason.

And I am not/was not trying to discredit the story that Nell shared. I am just trying to point out that saying that just because of the holiday, Courtney wouldn't have left was a weak argument, in my opinion. Nobody will ever know FOR SURE if Courtney was planning to leave or to stay. Only she knew FOR SURE what she wanted to do.

[princessgrandma]

Thanks for all the advice, Talwrite.

I do try my very hardest to keep of the mind that my condition is a permanent disability and will never go away, but I take multiple meds for different aspects. I take a mood stabilizer, an antidepressant, and sometimes I'm given something along the lines of xanax to help me through the manic times. I hate it. I would give anything if I could wake up one day and not have to consciously decide that this will be a good day and have to work so hard at it. I just get tired sometimes, and I just want to LIVE like other normal people do.

The point I was trying to make is that yes, I have faults, yes, I do somethings wrong, no, I don't handle things in the same way others do. BUT during my depressive times, I am more likely to hurt myself than anyone else, and during the manic times, I don't feel as in control, which is something I really have a hard time with. Control is very important to a bipolar. I can be alternately happy and sad, I can start doing something (like reading a book) and very quickly lose interest in it. Then I 'm looking for something else to do. All to make me feel "in control." I spend so much time making such an effort to control my life that the last thing I am thinking of is possibly harming someone else. I just want to be happy..... and more than anything, I want to be what is generally accepted as normal.

I'm sorry if I went off on the violence thing. It's just that so many people don't understand bipolar so they look the other way, or avoid me completely, which really doesn't help much at all. I just want to tell them that I'm not going to do anything to hurt or embarrass them b/c all my energy is directed toward controlling that making sure things like those don't happen.

I do know that, without meds, there is a greater potential for me to do the things I don't want to do. I don't want to hurt anyone, even myself, but I'd hurt myself before I'd hurt someone else.

Thanks again for your advice.

[Nell]

You're getting really worked up, and FTR, the original quote that YOU quoted and that YOU are referring to wasn't a post by me.

Obviously, I wasn't there. I, too, am just speculating. Due to facts that I am choosing not to convey for the sake of anonymity, I will say that I feel pretty definite in saying that she wasn't planning on leaving him.

Remember, originally, the story wasn't that Bones was coming to help her move. The story was (and her MySpace status backs this up) that Bones was coming for camera equipment.

Believe me, you would know if i was getting worked up. You aren't bothering me in the least. If you don't want me to reply to you I won't.

And I know it wasn't you that posted the orginal post i am referring to, that is why it said

Originally Posted by talwrite
Her last post on Myspace was about having fun with friends on Independence Day. NO mention of Austin. Or moving.
furthermore, any normal person is a bad domestic situation would leave at the first opportunity. She wouldn't stick around for a BBQ.

You just choose to reply to me.

[ilookatfacts]

Believe me, you would know if i was getting worked up. You aren't bothering me in the least. If you don't want me to reply to you I won't.

And I know it wasn't you that posted the orginal post i am referring to, that is why it said

You just choose to reply to me.

I think that you and I are both getting confused. I felt that you were coming at me for Tal's post. I don't mind you responding.

I just want people to consider all sides.

[MandaMalice]

UGH!

I've been sooo picking my Hubb's brain about this!

Again, I soooo DON'T have time to get caught up on comments!

(But I will after I get the monster's off to school Monday! So don't y'all worry!)


Okay, I think that I've gotten a really cool perspective on this from the Hubb.

With a Law Enforcement history, he of course understand how an interrogation works.

BUT as a Fire Fighter he is also often questioned when there is an investigation of the fire.

Now, I know that being interrogate for a CRIME is VERY different than being questioned about what you saw while you did your job, but there happens to be many stress factors that are very similar.

His opinion was that Allgood changing his story really didn't mean anything, but it was HOW he changed his story did.

He used the events that happen at a fire a few years ago to kinda explain it to me:

There had been a loss of life at an overnight fire and he went strait from the scene to be questioned.
He said during the FIRST interview he couldn't remember ANYTHING. He had been up well over 24 hours, worked on scene for hours and was some what in "shock" from the events that had taken place.

(He also said that there are things even today that he can not remember, although they did happen and he has read them in the report)

He said by the SECOND interview he was starting to come around, and was able to give a better account.
He was interviewed for HOURS with no sleep, shower & only one quick phone call to let me know he was okay and going to be late coming home.
He said while it took hours and days to remember all of the details, the all over story never really change.

Meaning, in his opinion, with the experience & understanding of both asking & answering the questions,
The fact that Allgood changed his story doesn't show guilt. As he would being "coming out of shock" & starting to get "a hold of" his emotions, he would be able to remember more detail & events.

BUT the fact that his OVER ALL story appears to have change at LEAST once,

(Maybe more. Can't be sure without watching the tapes. Just read the accounts)

that would be a sure sign that he WAS NOT being honest with his account.

Him not wanting to admit things at first (Like shooting her) or not remembering something till later, would be expected.

But changing the story from waking up with her point the gun at him, to her trying to stab him with a knife raises ALLOT of "red flags" to those investigating.


Anyways, I thought this was a very "cool" insight since not many people can have real encounters on both sides like that.

[MandaMalice]

Almost forgot,

My Husband said that he would want to know if there was any forensic on the angles the shots went in on both Bones & the baby.

Because if Allgood & Courtney had even a few inches difference in high, it could show up with the angle the shots where fired at.

Any of y'all with the inside track of the court room had any info on that?

[ilookatfacts]

From what I read on here, someone said that the shot went though Anika's arm and into her head, but the angle wasn't specified, and I haven't heard anything about Bones.

[talwrite]

I do try my very hardest to keep of the mind that my condition is a permanent disability...I just get tired sometimes, and I just want to LIVE like other normal people do.

I want to be what is generally accepted as normal.

...so many people don't understand bipolar so they look the other way, or avoid me completely, which really doesn't help much at all. I just want to tell them that I'm not going to do anything to hurt or embarrass them b/c all my energy is directed toward controlling that making sure things like those don't happen.

I do know that, without meds, there is a greater potential for me to do the things I don't want to do. I don't want to hurt anyone, even myself, but I'd hurt myself before I'd hurt someone else.

Thanks again for your advice.

The best thing you've done is realizing that it is a permanent disability. We all have something we have to work at to survive. You sound like you are in a stable environment, with a loving husband and children, grandchildren. That has to be the second most important thing for someone with BP. And don't worry about living so much like a normal person. NONE of us are normal. Sigh.

You didn't go off about the violence thing. I wanted to make sure you know that I am not attacking someone because they have BP. Once a long time ago, I started a new job. My boss warned me of a particular someone, to "stay clear of her", because this person had BP. Which goes along with what you said about people not understanding. Naturally I did the opposite and became friends with her - I found her to be very intelligent, sensitive, and considerate (like Courtney). My work-friend had her ups, down, true, but she was in a stable environment (unlike Courtney).

I read a blog from someone that has BP. He too talked about the control factor, and how exhausting it would become for him.

I appreciate the insight you've given. Anything else you feel free to share, please do.

[Rockin Ma]

How was Courtney's position presented? That she hid from her attacker under the desk or that she was at the computer? The blood splatter would determine that quickly for investigators so I think I can confidently believe she was sitting at the computer if that's what was determined in the course of investigation.

[talwrite]

You asked who would wait, I said I did.

I thought this was funny that you mixed LL up with me.

[Nell]

I thought this was funny that you mixed LL up with me.

If you are talking to me I didn't mix you up with anyone. I can keep my replies to different posts straight, don't worry. You said this...



Her last post on Myspace was about having fun with friends on Independence Day. NO mention of Austin. Or moving.
furthermore, any normal person is a bad domestic situation would leave at the first opportunity. She wouldn't stick around for a BBQ.


I said that maybe you don't know all, cause i stayed and i am not a moron and a pretty normal person. If you weren't there or in Courtney's head you can't speculate on her reasons for staying or leaving, as they are very personal and individual to the relationship.

[talwrite]

2. Notice that she says "us" ...if she was ready to leave, even if the update was a ploy to convince Chris she was staying, she would've just said, "Bones is bringing my camera" ...when you're ready to leave someone you're miserable with, you quit saying "we" and "us"

It's the prosecution that kept hammering that Courtney was leaving with Kevin. for Austin. which is north of San Antonio. when in fact he was headed southeast to Corpus. Even if she was, Chris would probably care less. He has kicked her out once before. She begged him to take her back. He'd probably just figure, sure, let her go. She'll be back. (Terminator Voice)

I'm glad that I'm not the only one that noticed the "us".

Poor Kevin, to be so mixed up in this crazy world of Courtney and Chris. (no one use that, that'll be MY new tagline)

[Rockin Ma]

How can "us" not be construed as her and Anika?

[ilookatfacts]

How can "us" not be construed as her and Anika?

...because Anika didn't care about the camera? Because she didn't know about it? She was 2, afterall.

Just because a person has children, doesn't mean that they always refer to themselves as "us"

[ilookatfacts]

It's the prosecution that kept hammering that Courtney was leaving with Kevin. for Austin. which is north of San Antonio. when in fact he was headed southeast to Corpus. Even if she was, Chris would probably care less. He has kicked her out once before. She begged him to take her back. He'd probably just figure, sure, let her go. She'll be back. (Terminator Voice)

I'm glad that I'm not the only one that noticed the "us".

Poor Kevin, to be so mixed up in this crazy world of Courtney and Chris. (no one use that, that'll be MY new tagline)

I agree. Kevin was truly a person in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was really probably there just to hang out and give Courtney a camera. Poor guy.

Actually, Chris moved to SA to get away from Courtney and their relationship. It was a few months later that she and Anika moved there as well. Nobody knows for sure if she would have gone to leave, what he would have done, but I don't think that this tragedy is a result with her trying to leave or has anything to do with that at all.

[badfish76]

have you ever been in a police interrogation? they pull all kinds of tricks to get you to say things.

i'm sure chris was in shock after seeing his friend and baby killed. if i had seen that, i'd probably be saying all kinds of different things too.

I have a Criminal Justice and Law Enforcement degree. I was also named Outstanding Graduate in Law Enforcement. I have a way better idea of what goes on in a police interrogation than most folks do. He is a full of shit liar because no one who is being honest is going to change their stories that much if they had nothing to hide. We aren't talking about a little discrepancy here on minor details. Major fucking changes.

I think it's really sweet that shit for brains has friends because my religion is love and if you can bring yourself to look like a fool by defending him publicly, then by all means have at it, but don't get pissed when everyone else calls you on it.

To the person that wants to insist that Courtney did this, it isn't what you say about GSR that makes you an asshole, it's the fact that you came in here saying you know it is a fact then refuse to produce the link to the document or news source and want to act like a troll about it when you could have just admitted from the start it's the RUMOR that tard defenders in the area are insisting is true.

If she was shot at a downward angle the idea of her shooting herself is right out the window and you can see who the last person standing is.

[MandaMalice]

How can "us" not be construed as her and Anika?

THANK YOU!

I was thinking the same thing!


...because Anika didn't care about the camera? Because she didn't know about it? She was 2, afterall.

Just because a person has children, doesn't mean that they always refer to themselves as "us"

Wait, have you even had a two year old? BOTH my boys would SMILE & POSE if they THOUGHT I had a camera!

My youngest son loving his photo taken is one of the reasons I wanting to become a photographer!

All right, got get dinner out of the oven...

[talwrite]

...because Anika didn't care about the camera? Because she didn't know about it? She was 2, afterall.

Just because a person has children, doesn't mean that they always refer to themselves as "us"

I had tried considering the Us as meaning her and Anika, too, but when I said outloud Kevin is bring the camera to Anika and me (rather than us), I came to the same conclusion as you did.

[talwrite]

Actually, Chris moved to SA to get away from Courtney and their relationship.

I read that on one of the comments on the initial news reports. Could that have been you posting that? (And don't answer if you don't want to). If so, I thought after reading the same person's comments, that they seemed like they had a lot of insight into Courtney and Chris.

[Rockin Ma]

It's way possible "us" is her and baby. Maybe more so if she was leaving. Your kid is everything and without him it is just "us". And no one confirmed for me yet because I believe he's guilty of all three and I'm done debating on possibilities if it was one shot followed by others later.

[ilookatfacts]

THANK YOU!

I was thinking the same thing!



Wait, have you even had a two year old? BOTH my boys would SMILE & POSE if they THOUGHT I had a camera!

My youngest son loving his photo taken is one of the reasons I wanting to become a photographer!

All right, got get dinner out of the oven...

I do not any children, but it doesn't mean I've never been around them. There are children in my family that I am close with, that I see regularly, as in several times a week. Some kids LOVE the camera, some kids don't. Regardless, a 2 year-old doesn't understand getting excited over a camera.

Just because I don't have kids doesn't mean that I don't know anything about them.

I am not a giraffe, nor have I ever had a pet giraffe, but I have knowledge about giraffes.

Have you ever been in a relationship? Those that are in relationships often refer to themselves as "us/we/our" when it's appropriate.

"Yes, we'd like to go to dinner."
"We bought a new camera last week."
"Our favorite show is Jersey Shore."

That's so hard to believe, right? Is it that far-fetched to assume that the "us" she was referring to was her and Chris as a couple. And even then, she could have meant us as in her, Chris and Anika, but I highly doubt it was just referring to her and Anika, not Chris.

[Rockin Ma]

I'm saying as stuck on the "us" as a few on here are, it meaNs nothing because it is just as easy for it to mean her and Anika.

[talwrite]

I have a Criminal Justice and Law Enforcement degree. I was also named Outstanding Graduate in Law Enforcement.

Goody goody for you. As my girl Shania would say, that don't impress me much. I think I read 10 cuss words in this one post alone, and people who speak like that only show stupidity.

What does impress me is when someone writes clearly, concisely. What impresses me also is the numerous videos out there that show full well how a suspect is led into a confession, conveniently supplied with facts.

And having a degree means nothing. If you said had 30 years experience in law enf, I might be impressed. But then if you did, you would know EXACTLY what I am saying.

Mind you, there are a few good ones out there, but not many...