Dead boy found buried in sand at NM playground

[RaVen Blackehart]

Forensic experts searched a public park late into the night for evidence of who buried the body of a little boy in the playground's sand.

The investigation began Friday afternoon when a woman who took her children to the city park in Albuquerque spotted part of child's shoe sticking out of the sand. She called police.

Investigators later found the body of a boy they believe is between the ages of 3 and 5.

Forensic experts with the state's Office of the Medical Investigator told police the boy could not have been dead longer than 48 hours, police spokesman John Walsh said.

Police had received no reports of missing children in the day before the discovery, Albuquerque Police Chief Ray Schultz told a news conference. Schultz said the boy may be from the neighborhood surrounding Alvarado Park but wouldn't elaborate.

"This is one of those cases where I think every minute counts," Schultz said, appealing to the public for help.

Schultz would not say whether there were any wounds on the body.

The boy was wearing a red shirt with the image of a four-wheel drive truck on the front, black nylon pants with red stripes and black shoes.

http://www.buffalonews.com/260/story/672999.html

[akika666]

poor baby :(

[Abroad]

Quite apart from whatever horrors the victim suffered before he died, who on earth buries someone in a playground and expects them to stay hidden?

Or was the plan to have the body found before it was too decomposed? In that case, what senseless lack of consideration for the children likely to find the body :rant:

[Angelinfl]

How could someone not be missing a child of this age...... All except Casey Anthony?????

[goddess]

poor lil kid!!!!

[Dakota Valkyrie]

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They also released pictures of the boy's shoe and the t-shirt he was wearing in hopes that someone would be able to help identify him.

Police arrived at the area and discovered that the shoe appeared to be attached to something underground.

They are asking for the public's help in locating a woman who was seen at the park with some children on Thursday between 6 and 9 p.m.

"A white female, very thin, early 30s, with light wavy hair," said John Walsh, of the Albuquerque Police Department. "She was last seen with four children between the ages of 6 and 10. The children are believed to be multi-racial."

Police described the children as a boy about 10 years old; a girl, about 3 years old; and a boy and a girl, both between 5 and 8 years old.

Police have interviewed a man who said he knew the woman in question, but police did not release any details.
[...]http://www.koat.com/news/19476225/detail.html
YouTube - Cops rush to ID boy buried in city park

[malq]

"Mommy, the playground stinks"
This is sad, They will catch the killer.

[Amazon]

The burial site means whoever did it wanted the boy to be found so he could get proper burial.
Something tells me an abuser went to far and killed the poor little guy.

[Wicked Doll]

The burial site means whoever did it wanted the boy to be found so he could get proper burial.
Something tells me an abuser went to far and killed the poor little guy.

Sounds about right. I'm guessing it was his mother.

[Kalehue]

I am sick. I can't imagine taking my children to the park and happening on such a horrible scene. That poor woman. Her poor children.

I hope they find the responsible parties soon and there is justice in this case for that poor little boy.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

An autopsy was conducted Saturday on the body of an unidentified small child found buried in the sand of a public park playground, as investigators looked for the boy's parents or guardian.
...
Police renewed their call for the public's help Saturday in finding the 3- to 5-year-old boy's family and learning how he ended up buried in the playground sand.

"No one has stepped forward as parent, guardian or caretaker or any other relationship with this child," police spokesman John Walsh said Saturday. "Anybody who has seen or heard of any, anything, involving a child in that area, we want them to call us."

The autopsy at the New Mexico Office of the Medical Investigator began at 9 a.m. Saturday, Walsh said.

Police Chief Ray Schultz said at a news conference late Friday that police had received no reports of missing children but believe he may be from the neighborhood around the park in northeast Albuquerque.

A team of about 50 investigators canvassed the area around the park until early Saturday and resumed the effort after daybreak, Walsh said.

Forensic experts who exhumed the body told police that the boy could not have been dead longer than 48 hours, Walsh said.http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hkNyDpeAZfx9vskglAZhOrZAYakQD987ETDG2

[ohmarvellousme!]

"No one has stepped forward as parent, guardian or caretaker or any other relationship with this child," :sad:

How horrible for that woman and her children to find a dead child buried in the playground sand.

As for that poor child, its heartbreaking that not a single person - aunt, uncle, grandparent, neighbour - has noticed that he is missing and come forward to help identify him.

A lost, forgotten little soul, buried in a kiddies playground.

Heartbreaking.

[DarkPrincess]

This is beyond sad.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Albuquerque police are trying to unravel the mystery of how an unidentified body of a small boy wound up buried in an Albuquerque playground after a preliminary autopsy provided no clues about how the child died.

Albuquerque police spokesman John Walsh says the Office of the Medical Investigator has found "no obvious signs or cause of death."http://www.newswest9.com/Global/story.asp?S=10374777&nav=menu505_2

Poison? Overdose? A guilty parent hiding a body?
Natural Causes? A parent snapped from reality?

How can NO ONE miss a child?

[Unamused Cat]

I have to wonder if the little boy's family was just passing through the area. Poor little guy. :sad:

[coffee achiever]

I'm completely baffled by this one. Dead 3 year old boy. No obvious cause of death. Buried in a shallow grave AT THE PLAYGROUND.

So, who killed him? Who buried him? Why the playground? Is it some kind of statement?

Poor kid - whoever he was, he deserved better than to be left buried in the sand, unidentified and unclaimed. There are some evil, heartless people in this kid's life.

REALLY eager to get more details on this case. SOMEBODY around there knows SOMETHING, dammit.

[silvahalo68]

The child's clothing indicates he wasn't terribly poor. Matching shoes and clothes, someone cared enough. Even then it does not mean he wasn't abused. I think something went terribly wrong and child was killed in an incident and the parent, father or mother probably both, buried him. There would have been remorse so wanting his body to be found seems to indicate the need to bury him properly. I would not be surprised that a parent comes forward with some BS story about their child missing. I don't think it was a caregiver as the parents would be looking for him, at least one would be I would think. Maybe a relative is involved and parents know and are covering an accident or abuse incident.

Gosh, it so very sad. It breaks my heart that he was buried amongst an area where children usually find a place to laugh and smile. Here, he only found death. Can't wait to know what happened and ended this little ones life.


Who are you little one? Rest in peace.

[canadian girl]

There are so many questions and not enough answers, the bottom line is that his is a very sad case, and troubling that no one has claimed the child.

I wonder if the child died at the playground. A fall, even from only a few feet, can cause serious injury or death. the parents might of panicked and buried the child out of fear.

No matter the cause, I hope the case is solved soon for the family and the community.

[Lizard]

It's not going to turn out to be something "nice" like this, but here's a scenario. Small child died suddenly, and the mother freaks. The. Fuck. Out. Like, loses her mind. All she can think is that her boy needs to be where he was happiest...at the playground.

So, no, that's not really what happened, but I like to explore the "what ifs."

[jo_momma_82]

I wonder if the child died at the playground. A fall, even from only a few feet, can cause serious injury or death. the parents might of panicked and buried the child out of fear.

But, if it was an accident... then why panic ? I suppose I could understand your theory if it were an accident on the playground and the parents were fearful that something else might come to light; i.e. signs of past abuse showing up during an e.r. visit.

His death may have been an accident but, I highly doubt it was an innocent one.

[jus shaking my head]

The burial site means whoever did it wanted the boy to be found so he could get proper burial.


Perhaps the parent had no money to bury the child and panicked.

The child's clothing indicates he wasn't terribly poor.

This could have been his "best" outfit.

Just guessing.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

I like the "kid died naturally with the parent(s) too poor or freaked out to think right" theory.

Too bad it will probably not be close to the truth.

Police are calling the boy Baby John Doe, but neighbors say that’s not good enough, so they are now calling him Baby 4 x 4 or Baby Justice.

A fundraiser will be held Sunday morning at 11:30 a.m. to raise money for his funeral.
http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/local/central/crime_krqe_albuquerque_neighborhood_prays_for_boy_ found_dead_in_park_200905162329

[prettyuglyish]

What happened to the good ol' days when sickos just buried razor blades in the playgrounds?

[Rockin Ma]

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — While police try to figure out the identity of a small boy who was buried in a playground, the Albuquerque neighborhood where he was found dead is adopting him as one of their own.

Stuffed animals, balloons and little trucks were placed where the boy was found and a fundraiser was planned for Sunday morning to raise money for a proper funeral, KRQE in Albuquerque reported.

Police are calling the boy "Baby John Doe," but those in the Alvarado community are referring to him as Baby Justice or Baby 4x4, the station reported.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520444,00.html

[penelopejo]

Calling him baby 4x4, seriously? Might as well name him baby sandbox.

Stick with justice, please...sounds a lot better than 4x4

[Amazon]

An update. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520444,00.html

[Death Bed]

Maybe the boy was digging for golden treasure and accidentally buried himself?

[akika666]

Maybe the boy was digging for golden treasure and accidentally buried himself?
i remember a few years ago there was a short-lived Oprah-fueled media hysteria about children getting suffocated by digging holes at the beach and the sand collapsing in on them.

[Kalehue]

From the article Amazon linked above:

"No one has stepped forward as parent, guardian or caretaker or any other relationship with this child," Walsh said.

Are they really expecting someone to come forward to claim the child? If someone does come forward, I'd be *really* interested to hear their explanation about what happened and why they didn't come forward earlier. Can't imagine that's going to happen, though.

I guess there might be some small hope that an extended family member or neighbor might notice that the child is suddenly and coincidentally missing and come forward.

[RaVen Blackehart]

Maybe the boy was digging for golden treasure and accidentally buried himself?

Then why hasn't someone reported him missing??

[malq]

What if other kids buried him as a prank gone bad?

[Lizard]

What if other kids buried him as a prank gone bad?

Why wouldn't a parent or caretaker be looking for him, then?

[silvahalo68]

Thanks Amazon on that update... (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520444,00.html)
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — While police try to figure out the identity of a small boy who was buried in a playground, the Albuquerque neighborhood where he was found dead is adopting him as one of their own.

Stuffed animals, balloons and little trucks were placed where the boy was found and a fundraiser was planned for Sunday morning to raise money for a proper funeral, KRQE in Albuquerque reported.

Police are calling the boy "Baby John Doe," but those in the Alvarado community are referring to him as Baby Justice or Baby 4x4, the station reported.
Not much in the way of new info but certainly nice to see people are taking an interest and care about learning the truth. I hope something turns up soon. Someone has to know something.

Who are you Baby Justice?

[whisperswing]

The burial site means whoever did it wanted the boy to be found so he could get proper burial.
Something tells me an abuser went to far and killed the poor little guy.
Exact same thing I was thinking,,also wondering if theres a dead mommy buried somewhere.Maybe its domestic abuse and shes dead too somewhere.Hope they get the sick bastards that did that.

[malq]

Why wouldn't a parent or caretaker be looking for him, then?
I thought about that too, but there is no explaining a body being there. something bizarre is going on. The most plausible is somebody freaked out and wanted to make sure he is found. Myself, when I bury bodies, I don't go to the city park playground. In general it's hard to get away with wrongdoings at playgrounds even in the night. Dude that is a dig getting a hole that big and covering it like nothing happened.
Like you said, it will be most interesting to know where the parents are and why they haven't been looking.

[Death Bed]

Then why hasn't someone reported him missing??

Good question.

[Redshoes]

The investigation began Friday afternoon when a woman who took her children to the city park in Albuquerque spotted part of child's shoe sticking out of the sand. She called police.

UGH NO! horror story!!

And how on earth is Baby 4 x 4 better than Baby John Doe? Not cute.

[RaVen Blackehart]

UGH NO! horror story!!

And how on earth is Baby 4 x 4 better than Baby John Doe? Not cute.

They're calling him that because of the design on the shirt he was wearing, a truck. At least they're not calling him......Sandy.:dong:

[Dakota Valkyrie]

The fact that the autopsy did not reveal a cause of death is puzzling. Maybe they are holding back any signs of trauma the body may have shown? Even if it was not the cause of death.

I am hoping they give more info soon. You would think a neighbor or other relative would notice him being gone... even if the parent(s) are trting to hide it.

[Morbid]

Should we FP this one?

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Yes. It's interesting.

[Just my luck sucks]

A white female, very thin, early 30s, with light wavy hair," said John Walsh, of the Albuquerque Police Department. "She was last seen with four children between the ages of 6 and 10. The children are believed to be multi-racial."

Police described the children as a boy about 10 years old; a girl, about 3 years old; and a boy and a girl, both between 5 and 8 years old.

Police have interviewed a man who said he knew the woman in question, but police did not release any details

What became of this tidbit? Woman goes to park with 4 kids, only leaves with 3?

[Jessiesgirl1108]

Should we FP this one?

I say yes! Maybe someone will see it on here and be able to provide some info!

[Abroad]

Myself, when I bury bodies, I don't go to the city park playground.


:rofl:

Where do you go when you bury bodies? Purely out of interest of course. Not that I need tips or anything....... :lollypop:

[sanityslipping]

What became of this tidbit? Woman goes to park with 4 kids, only leaves with 3?

She had four... two boys, and two girls. They just lumped the second boy and girl together.


Police described the children as a boy about 10 years old; a girl, about 3 years old; and a boy and a girl, both between 5 and 8 years old.

What I found interesting, was this
The boy's body was found Friday afternoon after a mother at the playground spotted a shoe sticking out of the sand and called police.

I see all sorts of odd things at the play ground, and might not even think twice about a shoe. While there is a possibility that she saw more than the shoe, there's also a possibility that the one who called it in, is also the one who buried that poor boy. Which would fit nicely with the "too poor for a proper funeral" theory. I just find it odd that she would simply call in the shoe.

Also, I'm kinda irritated that they seem so sure that the boy is from the area, and yet they don't have a clue who he is. I mean, he could have been abducted, and brought to that area. Searching the neighborhood that the park is in is just not enough. I also think they should release his picture to help identify him. I mean, you can only go so far off of a description. I can understand not putting the morgue photo out to the public, but how about a sketch so people have more to go on than height, weight and hair color?

[Just my luck sucks]

While there is a possibility that she saw more than the shoe

My gut feel says, yes, she saw more than just the shoe--before she called it in.

[thebooblady]

Can you imagine taking your kids to the park and them seeing a dead kid buried in the sand? And I thought I had some explaining to do when I ran over a cat! The person responsible is an asshole for no other reason than the place they disposed of him.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

French’s Mortuary (http://www.frenchmortuary.com/) in Albuquerque has donated mortuary and cemetery services for a small boy whose body was discovered buried in a sandbox in an Albuquerque park on Friday.

Meanwhile, Albuquerque police still haven’t identified the boy, who is being called baby Justice, or determined who his parents are.

“Keep you prayers with us as we move forward,” said APD spokesman John Walsh. “And we are asking for that very crucial piece of information on where this child came from.”

Residents of the Alvarado Park neighborhood near Lomas and San Mateo have been holding candlelight vigils for the little boy and vow to continue.

Neighborhood residents have raised thousands of dollars from donors as far away as Taos. They had intended to use the money to provide burial services, but that’s no longer necessary.

“[We] wanted to offer all of the funeral expenses, cemetery and funeral completely from our family to you and to the Albuquerque community,” Tom Antram of French Mortary told community organizer Rachel Leberance.

“We are going to get him a little tuxedo,” said Leberance, “a tombstone and a little plaque to put up at Alvarado Park.”

Organizers will spend the remainder of the thousands of dollars collected on more lights for the park and to establish a reward fund.

The little boy was about three feet, two inches tall and weighed about 38 pounds. He was wearing a shirt with a picture of a monster truck on it and size nine Sketchers with lime green stripes.

Officials believe he was either Native American or Hispanic.

People who would like to donate to the fund can do so at any Compass bank branch.http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S935876.shtml?cat=500

[Mom2three]

I also think they should release his picture to help identify him. I mean, you can only go so far off of a description. I can understand not putting the morgue photo out to the public, but how about a sketch so people have more to go on than height, weight and hair color?


That's what I was going to say. They released a picture of the clothing, why can't they release an artist's drawing of him?

[whisperswing]

Unidentified 'Baby Justice' buried in playground sand Walking through an Albuquerque, New Mexico, park a passerby made a startling discovery -- a tiny black and lime shoe protruding from beneath the playground sand.

Police say this shirt was found on the boy, dubbed "Baby Justice" or "Baby Angel."
It led police to the body of a young boy, who had been buried there in a shallow grave less than 48 hours earlier.
That was Friday.
On Tuesday, police still had no answers as to what happened at Alvarado Park -- or even who the boy was.
His name is unknown, though the community has dubbed him "Baby Justice" or "Baby Angel." Nobody in the area has claimed his body, and nobody has reported a child of his age missing.
Police said they couldn't even show a photo or give a sketch of the boy because his body was so disfigured by the sand's heat.All they have is a description based on how they found him.
Police say the Native American or Hispanic boy was between 3 and 5 years old, 38 pounds, 38 inches in height, with brown eyes and dark quarter-inch hair. When he was found, he was wearing Arizona brand clothing, size 3T -- nylon black running pants with red stripes, a red shirt with a monster truck on it and black, gray and lime green Skechers sneakers.
Police aren't sure how he died.
Albuquerque Police Department spokesman John Walsh said a preliminary autopsy didn't reveal a cause of death. Walsh said there were no obvious signs of bruising on the boy.
Walsh said the department is working with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children to create a forensic reconstruction of what the boy may have looked like in hopes that someone will recognize him.
"We have canvassed the entire adjoining neighborhood," Walsh said. "We're knocking on every door. We've been broadcasting and pleading for tips from the community. But still, nobody has come forward."
Though police have received numerous tips from the public, Walsh said nothing has come from them.
Albuquerque police are working with other local, state and nationwide law enforcement officials to try to piece together what happened.
Until then, members of the community have spent hours at memorials for the boy -- who none of them knew -- praying for him and raising money.
French Mortuary, in the town, has offered to pay all funeral costs for the boy.
Resident Rachel Lesperance told CNN affiliate KOAT-TV she spent her weekend collecting $3,600 for the boy. Her money, and the donations raised by others, will go toward a plaque at the park in the boy's honor, buying extra lights for the playground and to a fund toward finding out what happened to the little "Baby Justice."
"He doesn't have a family," Lesperance told KOAT-TV. "We're his family now, and we want him to be taken care of like one of our own."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/19/nm.buried.boy/index.html

[whisperswing]

http://www.koat.com/cnn-news/19499390/detail.html Police Check Missing Children Logs For Match To Body ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- The mystery of a young boy who was buried in Alvarado Park continues.
Albuquerque police said it spoke to daycares, schools and is looking at missing children reports from across the nation.
Monday afternoon parents at a playground were only talking about one thing.
"I want to know where the parents are. Why haven't they came forward?" said grandmother Maria Gutierrez.
People said they want to know who left a little boy buried in the sand. His lifeless body was discovered Friday afternoon.
Police said they still don't know his name or how he ended up at Alvarado Park.
"It was an emotional morning," Gutierrez said.
Gutierrez said watching news reports made her wonder.
"I was worried. I was worried because I thought it was my grandson," Gutierrez said.
She's estranged from the child's mother and hasn't seen her grandson in a long time. She said she went to the medical examiners office with a picture -- investigators told her it was not him.
Still she said she came to the park to offer her prayers.
So many people continue to come out here and pay their respects for the little boy they call baby Angel. The first question many ask though is who could be responsible for this?
Abuquerque police said it is a question they are working around the clock to answer.
"Everything you can possibly dream up, even the sex registry file of the area and any child abusers in the area and we've come up literally pan dry," said John Walsh with the APD.
Police said they are working with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
They said they are checking nationwide to see if there is a match to the little boy. Police and the public said they believe someone knows something.
"They need to come forth," Walsh said.
The little boy was buried about a foot under the sand.
The conditions of the remains were so bad, it's made it impossible to do a sketch of the young child.
Instead experts from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children are working on a forensic reconstruction sketch -- that takes a lot of technology and time, but police hope to have it soon.

[akika666]

it would've taken a long time to dig that grave. the playground must be in a very isolated area.

[coffee achiever]

it would've taken a long time to dig that grave. the playground must be in a very isolated area.

Well, not necessarily. Most parks close at sundown, and are poorly lit as a result. I imagine whoever buried the boy did so overnight when the park was abandoned.

A foot-deep hole in the sand isn't THAT tough to dig. My sister and I used to dig holes at least that deep every summer at the beach, with nothing more than a kiddie pail and shovel.

[akika666]

Well, not necessarily. Most parks close at sundown, and are poorly lit as a result. I imagine whoever buried the boy did so overnight when the park was abandoned.

A foot-deep hole in the sand isn't THAT tough to dig. My sister and I used to dig holes at least that deep every summer at the beach, with nothing more than a kiddie pail and shovel.

yeah our parks close at sundown but everyone's so nosey in this town, especially the cops, that if you even pull in the parking lot to use your cell phone you can bet in 5 to 10 min they show up and they tell you to move along.

all i can say is that it would take ME a long time to dig that hole, i guess.

[coffee achiever]

yeah our parks close at sundown but everyone's so nosey in this town, especially the cops, that if you even pull in the parking lot to use your cell phone you can bet in 5 to 10 min they show up and they tell you to move along.


I wouldn't mind some of that here in Atlanta. Our parks fill up with homeless guys, drunks, and addicts after dark. Usually a few still sleeping under the shelters when the park reopens in the morning too. And the police (the few that aren't furloughed, that is) are too busy trying to chase down the guys kicking in doors and stealing flat-screens to do anything about the parks.

*sigh*


all i can say is that it would take ME a long time to dig that hole, i guess.


Well, it *HAS* been a good 25 years since I dug sand holes, so it'd probably take me a while (and lots of ibuprofen) to do it now, too.

[DarkPrincess]

Why wouldn't a parent or caretaker be looking for him, then?

There are only 2 reasons I could think of for a scenario like malq mentioned. 1) The parent/parents are too stoned to realize the kid is missing. 2) The parent/parents have a criminal history, see this on TV, say "oh shit. everyone will think I did it," and decide not to come forward. I doubt this is the case, but you never know in this crazy ass world.

[akika666]

I wouldn't mind some of that here in Atlanta. Our parks fill up with homeless guys, drunks, and addicts after dark. Usually a few still sleeping under the shelters when the park reopens in the morning too. And the police (the few that aren't furloughed, that is) are too busy trying to chase down the guys kicking in doors and stealing flat-screens to do anything about the parks.

i agree, now that i have kids and property, i appreciate the bored nazi cops. however, in this same town when i was stupid 17 i was cited for trespassing at one of our parks, on prom night. we hadn't left the parking lot, nor had we planned to, so we thought it was royally unfair, lol. i still thank god the cop never searched the vehicles...

... it *HAS* been a good 25 years since I dug sand holes, so it'd probably take me a while (and lots of ibuprofen) to do it now, too.

oh i would just go straight to aleve if i had any hole diggin planned.

[whisperswing]

They say hes Native American or Hispanic.He could be from Mexico I dont why they are hell bent that hes from the area.Look how easily they got across the border with Briant Rodruegiz who was found few days ago.That baby could be from anywhere.You cant bank on ethnicity 100 % to say where hes from.So many losing jobs and moving and relocating with the economy lately.Men and women leaving spouses running off with someone else and their child.Other one beats child,goes to far kills it.Just to many scenarios to think of.That baby could be from here for all we know b/c last June a church in Texas gave Mexican families $1200.00 each family and 1 way greyhound bus tickets.Windsor had no clue where or why hundreds of mexican families were showing up at border for about a week until Texas troopers came down with the info.So he couldve been in Mexico,lived in Texas,took the bus here,mama decided to go back to States,either she or a man beat him went to far etc, etc, etc.Im not saying thats what happened,Im saying theres so many things that couldve played out.He may not have even been born in a hosp where there would be records when they indentify him(and I hope they do soon).

[Just my luck sucks]

The conditions of the remains were so bad, it's made it impossible to do a sketch of the young child.

Police aren't sure how he died.
Albuquerque Police Department spokesman John Walsh said a preliminary autopsy didn't reveal a cause of death. Walsh said there were no obvious signs of bruising on the boy.

No signs of injury, but the remains were so bad after 48 hours they can't sketch him?

[Jessiesgirl1108]

No signs of injury, but the remains were so bad after 48 hours they can't sketch him?

They said that the heat from the sand he was buried in caused his body to decompose rapidly, that's probably why they can't do a schetch.

[sanityslipping]

No signs of injury, but the remains were so bad after 48 hours they can't sketch him?


The decomp could also be why they can't find injuries.


Sometimes, I wish real life were more like TV. If this were TV Bones would be all over this, and Angela would already have a sketch of his face, and they'd know who he was. Poor little guy. I really hope they figure out who he is, and what happened to him.

[akika666]

yes... i can image with the heat and weight of the sand that his features would've been quite distorted unfortunately. i'm surprised that there is not way nowadays to make at least a preliminary computer-generated facial reconstruction based on a CT or MRI of the skull. it might not be that accurate, but it would be better than nothing...?

[whisperswing]

Well they eventually identified Precious Doe.I just hope it doesnt take 6 yrs to do it. YouTube - Erica Green - The Precious Doe Story

[Dakota Valkyrie]

I think they will eventually get a drawing - if needed.

I don't need a drawing to know if a kid in my family is missing or a neighbor one has suddenly disappeared.

[Just my luck sucks]

I don't need a drawing to know if a kid in my family is missing or a neighbor one has suddenly disappeared.

My neighbor's kids could go missing for days/weeks and no one would notice, what with all the different work schedules/vacation schedules/split families etc.

But a sketch shown on TV of a familiar face would tune me up, and I'd say something if I thought it looked like someone I knew.

[sanityslipping]

I saw it first in Needa's post in this thread (http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=230388#post230388), so I figured I'd pop over here, and put it in. We might have an ID on Baby Justice.


As investigators search for clues, Rachel Lesperance, organizer of a Monday candlelight vigil, says she is getting clues from all over the country, including one from a woman who thinks she knows who the victim is.
She called and she had a tip about her grandson missing for 6 days, fits the description and everything," Lesperance said. That woman says the boy was abducted by his mother. Lesperance forwarded the tip to police.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S936895.shtml?cat=516

Oh, and the article answers my question about only seeing a shoe...
On Friday, a woman identifying herself as Kelly called 911 dispatchers to say she and her children had found "a shoe" and what looked like "a leg underneath the playground."
Buried in the sand beneath the playground bridge, police found the body of a 3- to 4-year-old boy.
Lesperance says she has made it her mission to find the identity of the child. She is receiving tips from across America.
"I tell them to call 242-COPS immediately, but they still want to talk to me about it," she said.
Lesperance says investigators told her the boy was probably 3 and a half years old and had scars all over his body.
Detectives think there was probably a relationship between the boy and whoever buried him at the playground.
Police say the have decided not to release a picture of the boy's face because it had already started to decompose. However they are hoping to release a sketch of what the boy's face looked like in the next few days.

[coffee achiever]

Apparently, there's a possibility that the child found in the playground is the 2-year-old referenced in this thread:

http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19657

[ineedanap]

Thanks for the cross posting. I was going to do it, but work got in the way!

[coffee achiever]

Thanks for the cross posting. I was going to do it, but work got in the way!

No worries. Thanks for finding that tip!

[Abroad]

scars all over his body.


:dong:

Who did this to you, precious little Justice?

[Morgana]

This case is very puzzling. However, if they boy is in fact aged 3-5, an adult would always be present in going to a playground. If not an adult, a much older child. If he is not reported missing then certainly, foul play is involved. There are better places to hide a body then a playground, that is too obvious, he's too young to NOT be missing...if he was from a really poor home and this was his best outfit, he wouldn't be allowed to wear it to a playground! (just sayin', it was mentioned above). Why he is dead without obvious signs of trauma in a public playground being a preschooler is very disturbing. Something here really fucking stinks! Poor baby.

[jus shaking my head]

There are only 2 reasons I could think of for a scenario like malq mentioned. 1) The parent/parents are too stoned to realize the kid is missing. 2) The parent/parents have a criminal history, see this on TV, say "oh shit. everyone will think I did it," and decide not to come forward. I doubt this is the case, but you never know in this crazy ass world.


Could the parents be illegals? They could be afraid of being deported.

[jus shaking my head]

if he was from a really poor home and this was his best outfit, he wouldn't be allowed to wear it to a playground! (just sayin', it was mentioned above).

I meant he may not have died at the playground and dressed before he was buried.

[Unamused Cat]

Could the parents be illegals? They could be afraid of being deported.

I've wondered about that, and if they were just passing though the area.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

YouTube - Sketch of Boy 4x4 coming soon

[Dakota Valkyrie]

[...]
Maria Gutierrez said watching news reports made her wonder.

"I was worried. I was worried because I thought it was my grandson," Gutierrez said.

She's estranged from the child's mother and hasn't seen her grandson in a long time. She said she went to the medical examiners office with a picture -- investigators told her it was not him.

Still she said she came to the park to offer her prayers.
[...]http://www.koat.com/news/19499390/detail.html

[Dakota Valkyrie]

The discovery of a child's jacket and car seat at another city park has given Albuquerque police a possible lead in the case of the small boy found buried at Alvarado Park Friday.

KRQE News 13 has learned forensic investigators are looking for DNA matches on the jacket and seat found the same day several miles away at Hyder Park in southeast Albuquerque.

However authorities are cautious about raising hopes based on the slim thread of evidence.

"We are going to look at every single possibility," Albuquerque Police Department spokesman John Walsh said.

[...]

At the same time investigators were excavating the body of the boy child at Alvarado Park near Hannett and San Pedro NE late Friday, officers were dispatched to Hyder Park on Richmond Drive SE.

There someone had called police about finding a child's jacket and car seat in the park.

Investigators said there is a chance, however slight, that DNA from the jacket and car seat could match that of the deceased boy.

So far police have pursued all other angles with little luck as some 50 officers, detectives and forensic scientists work the case.
[...]http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/crime_krqe_albuquerque_cops_grasp_slim_lead_in_bur ied_boy_case_200905190112

[akika666]

Could the parents be illegals? They could be afraid of being deported.

i think that's a major consideration, since it's New Mexico and the child is reported to appear to be either Hispanic or American Indian.

a Mexican child in New Mexico would be less likely to be missed if he disappears, since the family wouldn't be so rooted, right?

this one is making me nuts... the whole scenario is twisted and hard to picture.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Albuquerque police have just released a forensic image of the boy found buried in a city park last week as they continue their efforts to identify him.http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/crime_krqe_albuquerque_boy4x4_sketch_coming_soon_2 00905191219

Posted 15 minutes ago - but can't find a picture yet...

[penelopejo]

http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr85/everdcg/justice.jpg
There he is..

[SoUncool]

Poor little guy...

[silvahalo68]

I'm out of thanks and rep. so thanks DV and PJ for the info/pic.

He looks sad in that picture. I'm sure there is truth to that. I can't wait to put a name to that lost face. Buried and forgotten...not for long I hope.

Rest in peace little one....
http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr85/everdcg/justice.jpg

[malq]

I am becoming convinced 4x4 is not local. Even the most braindead crackwhore within 100 miles has heard this story. If 4x4 was missing, somebody would have dropped a tip by now.
The illegal alien theory has credence and makes sense. Unless, some random serial killer like Henry Lee Lucas is dropping another body off., playground though?....

[ineedanap]

http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/crime_krqe_albuquerque_alvarado_park_mystery_woman _arrested_200905210744

ALBUQUERQUE (KRQE) - A woman has been arrested and charged with murder in the case of a boy whose body was found buried at an Albuquerque playground on Friday.

Tiffany Toribio, 23, was arrested around 3:45 a.m. Mountain time Thursday, according to Albuquerque police.

She faces an open count of murder and several charges of child abuse resulting in death, according to court documents. She's being held on a $250,000 bond.

Her arrest came just hours after police held a late-night news conference to say they were looking for her. She and her son had disappeared last week, and according to police, she was known to have connections to the area.


They apparently determined enough during the autopsy to charge the mom with murder.

[penelopejo]

possibly her?

http://www.myspace.com/t_toribio

edit: just saw the mug, it is her....

[Crazy_n_NC]

Yhis reminds me of Baby Grace.... So Sad:dong:

[Lizard]

Private MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/t_toribio

She last logged in on 5/17; her mood was "happy."

[Amazon]

Yay, Ineedanap, you beat me to it.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who cares about someone I don't even know.

[Lizard]

http://i43.tinypic.com/9lki9l.jpg

[Dakota Valkyrie]

http://i39.tinypic.com/24xqvk9.jpghttp://i43.tinypic.com/9lki9l.jpg

This is from a late night news conference that was held BEFORE her arrest:
At a late-night news conference Wednesday Albuquerque police Chief Ray Schultz announced investigators are trying to find Tiffany Toribio after receiving tips that she is the boy's mother.

That relationship, however, has yet to be confirmed. And for now investigators are calling Toribio a missing person.

"We have had an opportunity to see one picture of her son," Schultz told reporters. "It's similar but not enough for us to make a positive comparison. We feel the best course of action for us at this pint in time is for us to talk to Tiffany directly."

Toribio, 23, and her son, who is 3 years 7 months, have not been seen since last week. Toribio is from Zia Pueblo in Sandoval County although police said she is currently transient with no permanent address.

She is described as 5 feet 1 inch tall and weighing 120 pounds with long, straight black hair.

Schultz said Toribio has connections to people living near Alvarado Park where the boy's body was unearthed Friday night. She was last seen in the area Wednesday, and her son was last seen the day before, he said.

Police have been in contact with Toribio's family, and they are concerned about her disappearance. Earlier police had received tips suggesting Toribio might be connected to the unidentified boy.http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/crime_krqe_albuquerque_possible_break_in_case_of_b uried_boy_200905202052

I would suspect that the "quiet" we seemed to be hearing about the search for the identity had to do with them trying to find her before going public.

I am glad they identified him.

[ineedanap]

Private MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/t_toribio

She last logged in on 5/17; her mood was "happy."

WTF? That was 2 days after her kid was found buried in the playground!!!!

[Dakota Valkyrie]

WTF? That was 2 days after her kid was found buried in the playground!!!!
Some people never update their status. I have never changed my MySpace status. If I commit a crime or something horrid happens, it's going to look really bad. I leave it "dorky" and hope no one notices.

[Lizard]

WTF? That was 2 days after her kid was found buried in the playground!!!!

THANK YOU! I was waiting for someone to key in on that.

[whisperswing]

Private MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/t_toribio

She last logged in on 5/17; her mood was "happy."
They seem to be proud of what they have done or are going to do.Casey Anthony told the world in her diary "shes the happiest shes ever been" the weekend her daughter vanished.Michael Rafferty that murdered Victoria Stafford wrote on his face book the morning they grabbed & murdered her Rafferty last updated his Facebook page on April 8, the day Victoria went missing. At 10:01 a.m. he wrote 'Everything good is coming my way'," They are a bunch of freaks of nature!!

[ineedanap]

She confessed.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520985,00.html?test=latestnews

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — Police say the mother of 3-year-old boy found buried at playground confessed to suffocating him.

Albuquerque Police Chief Ray Schultz says 23-year-old Tiffany Toribio was arrested early Thursday.

Schultz says the woman told officers she had taken her son, Ty Toribio, to Alvarado Park, where she placed her hand over his nose and mouth and suffocated him.

This is all kinds of fucked up. That little boy was probably so excited to be going to the park, when in reality he was going to his murder scene.

We have a neighborhood park and my little girl gets so excited everyday when we drive by. She practically skips the whole way there when we go. This is just heartbreaking.

[penelopejo]

Sounds just like that other story we had FP. Karrae Starr.

So sad that these mothers are doing this. Suffocation has to be one of the worst things to do, especially like this. Can you imagine the struggle? I'm surprised she doesn't have a scratch on her face. I have a hard time giving my child cold medicine without getting smacked or punched by her.

At least we now know his name.

[buggysmommy]

I often think to myself,(as a result of such stories) how on earth I could live if I lost my child and she were "buried". I think I understand cremation-it ultimately makes the person gone and there is no way to go back and touch them or hold them. If I lost my baby and she were buried, I would constantly think about where she is and so desperately want to touch her and hold her. I could not fathom burying my baby in a playground, or leaving her anywhere knowing she is there. It would eat me alive and I would have to go back. I just couldn't fucking do it. Needless to say, I never plan on trying to figure that out becasue I'm gonna hopefully live a full life, and get old while my daughter gets old too-and go before her...

How can anyone be such a callous, cold bitch that they could sleep at night knowing their baby not only died at their own hand, but is somewhere - alone? I am so sick over this...:dong:

[coffee achiever]

From her myspace page:

Last Login: 5/17/2009 (the day AFTER the body was found)
Mood: happy (fucking cold BITCH!)

[Nell]

I used to change my status constantly and after hanging out here I don't. Like DV said it could look really bad if I was arrested for say, murdering my ex. So now it just says "loved by all." and I never change it.

So sad that these mothers are doing this. Suffocation has to be one of the worst things to do, especially like this. Can you imagine the struggle? I'm surprised she doesn't have a scratch on her face.

She probably sat on his chest with arms down. That would be the easiest way. It isn't like she gave a shit anymore if she hurt him.

[Jessiesgirl1108]

Police arrested Tiffany Toribio about 4 a.m., just hours after they said they wanted to speak to her about her missing 3-year-old son, Ty.

Family members had contacted authorities, saying her son matched the description of a boy found Friday at an Albuquerque playground.

Police Chief Ray Schultz said she confessed to killing the boy soon after being apprehended.

"She placed her hand over her son's mouth and nose and suffocated him. She had second thoughts about what she did. She performed CPR on her son, brought him back to life and then decided to go forward with that original act she had started to commit," Schultz said. OH MY GOD, THAT POOR BOY :sad:
"What makes this story especially sad is, when asked the reason why she took Ty's life, Tiffany said that she did not want him to grow up with no one caring about him, the same way that she had grown up where nobody had cared about her." Selfish Bitch

An emotional Schultz added that Toribio has tried to kill herself since her arrest. She was being held in isolation at a detention facility and kept under observation, he said.

He added, "As you can see, this case has been very emotional for everybody in the department."

Toribio was charged with first-degree murder and an array of other charges, including abuse of a child under 12 that caused death.

The discovery of the body at Alvarado Park on Friday shocked the community, which dubbed the boy "Baby Justice" and "Baby Angel" as they rallied around his case.

Police released a composite image of the boy Tuesday, hoping to garner more leads in the case. They weren't able to release a photo of the boy because his body was so disfigured by the sand's heat.

Schultz said that after killing her son, Toribio dug a hole under gym equipment at the playground, moved the body and buried him in the shallow grave.

"Since that time, she's been walking the streets of the city of Albuquerque," he said.

The boy was wearing Arizona brand clothing, size 3T: nylon black running pants with red stripes, a red shirt with a monster truck on it and black, gray and lime green Skechers sneakers.

Toribio did not comment Thursday morning after her arrest as she was put in a police car.

Schultz said there had been no reports of child abuse filed against Toribio. But he said family members indicated that she did not express the typical love of a mother for her child.

"She did not show the normal relationship that you would see with a mother, son," he said.

This week, police had gone to residences where she had lived previously, but she wasn't there, Schultz said. Police had gone there after family members expressed concern because "they did not like the way Ty was being treated," the police chief said.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/21/nm.buried.boy/index.html

[penelopejo]

he died and was brought back to life.....


wtf?

[buggysmommy]

Tried to commit suicide?

Fuck you bitch-if you felt that strongly in the first place, you would have succeeded in killing yourself BEFORE you got caught! You want to die now because you are going to spend the rest of your life in the pokey-stupid bitch!

Life for you bitch-so you can suffer day in and day out-confined.

[Wicked Doll]

I would love to bury this bitch alive in a pile of really hot sand. Let it seep into her lungs and squeeze that last worthless breath out of her. What a selfish cunt. I don't often use that word, but it certainly applies here.

She could have given him to family members to care for. Placed him up for adoption. Instead she pulls the self-pitying I was treated like shit as a kid bullshit. Fuck her.

No good will ever come from this selfish, worthless, breeder cunt. She killed the one good thing she contributed to this world. Rot bitch.

[akika666]

:dong:

[akika666]

Some people never update their status. I have never changed my MySpace status. If I commit a crime or something horrid happens, it's going to look really bad. I leave it "dorky" and hope no one notices.i never thought about that. i never use my myspace, other than to look at others.' so its been "exhausted" for at least two years. So if i were to be accused of summat, you guys'd be saying, "no wonder she's exhausted." i'm gonna change it to "penitent" just in case.

[DarkPrincess]

Lady, do you know what it's like when you can't breathe? Jesus... You brought him back only to snuff him out again. That makes me ill. No one cared about you? Well great. We all care now, don't we?

[scorpiogirl]

JEEZUS FUCKING KHRIST what the fuck omg. I can't believe this shit. Who does this kind of thing, and if the family kicked her ass out for not taking care of him,,, then why the fuck did they let her take him.

God bless you little man.

[silvahalo68]

Tiffany said that she did not want him to grow up with no one caring about him, the same way that she had grown up where nobody had cared about her."

Stupid, useless bitch! you were the one to change that! YOU were his world, he only wanted YOUR love.....how could you not see that?? If no one cared about him that is your fault. Didn't you learn that lesson from your own sad childhood??

I would say to kill this bitch but she's already dead. She killed her son over the most selfish reasoning I can think off at the moment. The answer was in front of her all this time....5 fucking years she has the most precious gift of all, a way to care and love someone completely as to end the cycle. No. Instead she chose death....brutal and vicious on that count. She is truly a worthless, waste of space. Pathetic and utterly corrupt in that shell that should be a heart. What a putrid soul.


Little Tyrus, so very sorry you were never told that your smile could light up a room, that the your very presence meant miracles do happen. You deserved a loving mother, a chance at life. I can not bear to think of your last moments...kisses sweet one, be at peace.

http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s341/silvahalo68/Fallen%20angels/ty-toribio_20090521150042_320_240.jpg

[tutkill]

Poor child- to have to die twice by the hands of your own mother.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

http://i39.tinypic.com/2vhxkyg.jpghttp://i41.tinypic.com/1zqwu8o.jpg

While not perfect, I think the forensic folks did a good job on this one. I would have recognized him if I knew him.

[Special2bme]

Selfish fucking bitch putting him through not once but twice gasping for air. Bless his heart may he RIP. I wish she did it to herself not him.

[akika666]

Lady, do you know what it's like when you can't breathe? Jesus... You brought him back only to snuff him out again. That makes me ill. No one cared about you? Well great. We all care now, don't we?

so cruel, so senseless...

i guess the reason no one cared about her was that it's impossible to "care" for a cruel stonehearted person who is missing their humanity, and probably has from the getgo.

cases like this are why the most gory, extreme horror movie doesn't make an impression on me unless it's funny. what went on between this female and this poor baby... now THAT is horror, the stuff of true nightmares.

[Morbid]

Wow, kind of a wrong time to become indecisive. She's up front.