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LadyValkyrie37
February 27th, 2008, 11:56 PM
I haven't been here long, but some have called me hostile and even hateful. Please keep the following in mind when you wish to throw my religious/spiritual beliefs in my face. Just because my religious title is Christian Pagan Witch you might not fully understand my religious/spiritual beliefs to the fullest extent. As I said before in 2 other threads, I take from other other religious/spiritual beliefs/philosophies what is good for my spiritual journey and leave the rest.

From The Holy Bible
Matthew 5:38-47
38 “You have heard the law that says the punishment must match the injury: ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say, do not resist an evil person! If someone slaps you on the right cheek, offer the other cheek also. 40 If you are sued in court and your shirt is taken from you, give your coat, too. 41 If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles. 42 Give to those who ask, and don’t turn away from those who want to borrow. 43 “You have heard the law that says, ‘Love your neighbor’ and hate your enemy. 44 But I say, love your enemies![s] Pray for those who persecute you! 45 In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike. 46 If you love only those who love you, what reward is there for that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much. 47 If you are kind only to your friends, how are you different from anyone else? Even pagans do that. 48 But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect.

From The Satanic Bible by Anton Szandor LaVey
1. “Love one another” it has been said is the supreme law, but what power made it so? Upon what rational authority does the gospel of love rest? Why should I not hate mine enemies -- if I “love” them does that not place me at their mercy?
2. Is it natural for enemies to do good unto each other -- and WHAT IS GOOD?
3. Can the torn and bloody victom “love” the blood splashed jaws that rend him limb from limb?
4. Are we not all predatory animals by instinct? If humans ceased wholly from preying upon each other, could they continue to exist?
5. Is not “lust and carnal desire” a more truthful term to describe “love” when applied to the continuance of the race? Is not the “love” of the fawning scriptures simply a euphemism for sexual activity, or was the “great teacher” a glorifier or eunuchs?
6. Love your enemies and do good to them that hate and use you -- is this not the despicable philosophy of the spaniel that rolls upon its back when kicked?
7. Hate your enemies with a whole heart, and if a man smite you on one cheek, SMASH him on the other!; smite him hip and thigh, for self-preservation is the highest law!
8. He who turns the other cheek is a cowardly dog!
9. Give blow for blow, scorn for scorn, doom for doom -- with compound interest liberally added thereunto! Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, aye four-fold, a hundred-fold! Make yourself a Terror to your adversary, and when he goeth his way, he will posses much additional wisdom to ruminate over. Thus shall you make yourself respected in all the walks of life, and your spirit -- your immortal spirit -- shall live, not in an intangible paradise, but in the brains and sinews of those whose respect you have gained.


I believe what Jesus taught and what Anton LaVey taught concerning love, enemies, and revenge. The key factor is the specifics of any given situation. What Jesus teaches is not beneficial to any human being in every single situation. What LaVey teaches is not beneficial to any human being in every single situation. One cannot be like Jesus teaches and allow everyone treat you as a doormat all the time. At the same time one cannot be like LaVey teaches and allow anger and bitterness to take over ones heart and soul. One must gain the wisdom to determine which philosophy would be the most beneficial to oneself in that particular situation. So if I happen to get frustrated, angry, or you get "hostile vibes" from me be aware that I'm not this emotionless religious zombie who is not allowed to get pissed off. I'm an imperfect spiritual human being who if crossed will give blow for blow.

Horrorholic
February 28th, 2008, 12:03 AM
One cannot be like Jesus teaches and allow everyone treat you as a doormat all the time.

And yet, Jesus did not do this. When the merchants took over the church and began selling goods on the Sabbath, Jesus went in, showed some teeth, overthrew all of the tables and told them to get lost. Although he did die for our sin for salvation to come into effect, that does not make him a "doormat".

As my story from the Bible illustrates, Jesus does not teach us to let others bully us. We are just not suppose to fill our hearts with hatred. Now, was Jesus angry in that story above? Probably, actually I'd say yes. But, did he hate those people? I'd say no. There is a difference between being upset with people and being hateful. There is also a difference between realizing to turn the other cheek and being walked all over.

Dark Star
February 28th, 2008, 12:07 AM
Val, Val, Val. I've a terrible headache. Are you going to groan at me for that?

You live a contradictory life with your religious choices. But hey, that is YOUR choice/choices.

I really need pharmies after reading that. God, I read the damn bible growing up Catholic. Cool book, but I don't believe half the shit that's printed there. As far as Anton LeVay, not into his views. But that's just me.

I was trying to imagine in this crazy fucking mind of mine, Jesus and Anton discussing Christianity and Satanism. Cool convo, huh?:D

LadyValkyrie37
February 28th, 2008, 12:11 AM
And yet, Jesus did not do this. When the merchants took over the church and began selling goods on the Sabbath, Jesus went in, showed some teeth, overthrew all of the tables and told them to get lost. Although he did die for our sin for salvation to come into effect, that does not make him a "doormat".

As my story from the Bible illustrates, Jesus does not teach us to let others bully us. We are just not suppose to fill our hearts with hatred. Now, was Jesus angry in that story above? Probably, actually I'd say yes. But, did he hate those people? I'd say no. There is a difference between being upset with people and being hateful. There is also a difference between realizing to turn the other cheek and being walked all over.

And if you followed any of the threads that led to this one you would have known that I even stated as much about Jesus driving the money changers out of the temple and that anger and frustration is not a sin.

Horrorholic
February 28th, 2008, 12:13 AM
No, I had not followed the argument through two different threads. Sorry to upset you enough by trying to have a decent conversation to get a "no thank you."

Trust me, it won't happen again.

LadyValkyrie37
February 28th, 2008, 12:14 AM
Val, Val, Val. I've a terrible headache. Are you going to groan at me for that?

You live a contradictory life with your religious choices. But hey, that is YOUR choice/choices.

I really need pharmies after reading that. God, I read the damn bible growing up Catholic. Cool book, but I don't believe half the shit that's printed there. As far as Anton LeVay, not into his views. But that's just me.

I was trying to imagine in this crazy fucking mind of mine, Jesus and Anton discussing Christianity and Satanism. Cool convo, huh?:D

What you don't like me groaning you? Do unto others... lol

CPL CHUD
February 28th, 2008, 12:20 AM
I can see how your trying to show that you believe in an objective moral sphere based on what the situation dictates. I'm just not so sure you have to invoke religion while doing so.