Milwaukee Baby Smothered

[MichaelJCheaney]

On Tuesday April 21st The Milwaukee Health Dept launched a Public Service Announcement regarding the dangers of Co sleeping...and then
Joo and I were discussing how long it would take before a sperm and or egg donor murdered their baby, and tried to pass it of as a co-sleeping incident.

The answer: 4 days.......

Milwaukee police are investigating the death of another infant who was sleeping with his parents, police spokeswoman Anne Schwartz said Saturday.Schwartz said in an email that the death occurred about 7:30 a.m. Saturday in the area of 30th Street and Wisconsin Avenue.
She identified the infant as a 5-month-old boy, although the Milwaukee County medical examiner's office reported that the child was 1 month old.
Investigators believe the infant was sleeping with both parents, Schwartz said. She added the parents were not cooperating fully with the investigation.
After three other such infant deaths in recent weeks, city health officials this week launched a campaign to promote public awareness of the dangers of babies co-sleeping with adults.

JSonline: (http://www.jsonline.com/newswatch/43692497.html)

Parents not cooperating, plus the fact that the parents can't agree on the age of the baby tells me this child, was flat out murdered!

[silvahalo68]

I don't think there is a dispute on age of baby by the parents....
but that they are not cooperating is very suspicious.
.....police spokeswoman Anne Schwartz said Saturday.Schwartz said in an email that the death occurred about 7:30 a.m. Saturday in the area of 30th Street and Wisconsin Avenue.
She identified the infant as a 5-month-old boy, although the Milwaukee County medical examiner's office reported that the child was 1 month old.
I know a lot of people who co-sleep with their baby, I didn't 'cause I just felt like I couldn't sleep well or comfortably with baby. After feeding I'd just plop him in the bassinet next to me. I was assured he was safe and I could get some much needed sleep too.


Rest in peace sweet one.

[maryhaze]

maybe i'm just not a good mom, but i never wanted to sleep in the same bed as someone who wasn't housebroken. & diapers leak so into the crib with the baby.

[joo]

My copied and pasted from a PM (basically) thoughts:

[The police department says] the baby is 5 months old, but the coroner or whoever the fuck says one month old. Maybe because the baby isn't developed enough to look 5 months old, and instead of starving him, [the parents] killed him. Call me a conspiracy theorist.

[Earth2Amanda]

When my baby was first born I couldn't sleep even if he was sleeping soundly in his bassinet. I woke up if his breathing changed. I know accidents happen, but if it happened the way the parents say it did they had to be on something to not be able to wake up when there baby was dying. Just anther case of retarded parents not caring.

[MichaelJCheaney]

My copied and pasted from a PM (basically) thoughts:

[The police department says] the baby is 5 months old, but the coroner or whoever the fuck says one month old. Maybe because the baby isn't developed enough to look 5 months old, and instead of starving him, [the parents] killed him. Call me a conspiracy theorist.

Your a conspiracy theorist....

[Dakota Valkyrie]

I would get all whacko if I had to live in the same state as Milwaukee. and the Packers.

[joo]

I would get all whacko if I had to live in the same state as Milwaukee. and the Packers.

What was that? I don't think I heard you.

[MichaelJCheaney]

What was that? I don't think I heard you.

DV is really going to be screwed when her:snicker:Team:snicker:Moves to LA!

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Nah... I've never even been to a game so it doesn't matter where they are. I bleed purple.

My hockey team moved to Iowa. I am so loyal that I have only gone to one game of the new local team... because I got free tickets.

And after reading this site, I am beginning to think Milwaukee is the Florida of the Upper Midwest. (My poor brother lives in Milwaukee)

[joo]

Milwaukee=Florida: a fair assessment.

[MichaelJCheaney]

Nah... I've never even been to a game so it doesn't matter where they are. I bleed purple.

My hockey team moved to Iowa. I am so loyal that I have only gone to one game of the new local team... because I got free tickets.

And after reading this site, I am beginning to think Milwaukee is the Florida of the Upper Midwest. (My poor brother lives in Milwaukee)

Man if your brother lives in Milwaukee he MUST REALLY be poor! Or a cop, teacher or firefighter.
(All the cool people live in the Burbs!)

You bleed purple? You should seriously get that checked out.....it could be a serious problem! (although obviously its not contagious!)

And like I said to Joo earlier Milwaukees new mottos:

Milwaukee: We don't need no stinkin cribs. And

Milwaukee: Thinning the future welfare rolls one dead baby at a time!

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Actually, my "poor" brother is the "rich" one. He's a senior VP or a bank, so I doubt he is a true Milwaukee person. He doesn't have to put his kids in daycare so is lucky.

[MichaelJCheaney]

Actually, my "poor" brother is the "rich" one. He's a senior VP or a bank, so I doubt he is a true Milwaukee person. He doesn't have to put his kids in daycare so is lucky.

Senior VP of a bank....so that puts him as River Hills, Mequon, East Side, or Shorewood rich!

Not a bad place to be IMO!

I'm just number one suburb rich.....

[joo]

Arrrgh, here's where my "defending my city" instincts come out.

I live in the Milwaukee county suburbs, so basically in the city. Not in BF nowhere like MJC.

There's a lot of good reasons to live here. Lots of art, fun nightlife, friendly people, an open-minded culture, I work for one of Fortune's most admired companies...

I'm sure the same could be said for Florida, really.

The politics and judicial philosophy are sadly, extremely opposite of what I believe in.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

LOL No problem, Joo. I have been there and enjoyed it immensely. I have the same instinct about my area... and I live in BF ND. But I will not extol all the virtues as I don't want to spoil things. If folks think it's all awful here, they will stay away. I encourage them to think we are all right-wing bible banging ignorant hicks buried in snow, water, and mosquitoes. Keeps out the riff raff. :proud2:

[MichaelJCheaney]

Arrrgh, here's where my "defending my city" instincts come out.

I live in the Milwaukee county suburbs, so basically in the city. Not in BF nowhere like MJC.

There's a lot of good reasons to live here. Lots of art, fun nightlife, friendly people, an open-minded culture, I work for one of Fortune's most admired companies...

I'm sure the same could be said for Florida, really.

The politics and judicial philosophy are sadly, extremely opposite of what I believe in.

I second what Joo said. Except for one thing....

Contrary to popular belief its not BF nowhere....shit 20 years ago it was BF nowhere today not so much!

Besides it is Americas number one suburb!

[joo]

I second what Joo said. Except for one thing....

Contrary to popular belief its not BF nowhere....shit 20 years ago it was BF nowhere today not so much!

Besides it is Americas number one suburb!

Pewaukee residents, I apologize for my ignorance. Please do not chase me with pitchforks and torches.

[MichaelJCheaney]

Pewaukee residents, I apologize for my ignorance. Please do not chase me with pitchforks and torches.

How about tar and feathers?

[joo]

Pewaukee residents, I heart the crap out of your town. Please don't chase me with anything. I will donate to the tavern of your choice, I promise.

[MichaelJCheaney]

Pewaukee residents, I heart the crap out of your town. Please don't chase me with anything. I will donate to the tavern of your choice, I promise.

You mean I have to choose?

We have so many.....

And master Z's doesn't count.

Thats in Waukesha.

[joo]

Drunken co-sleeping: like the swine flu for Milwaukee babies.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/43817207.html

A 25-year-old mother of three told authorities she had been out drinking the night she placed her infant son face down in the bed she shared with the boy's father and 1-year-old sibling.

The boy, 6-week-old Demetrius L. Kimble, never awoke from the queen-sized bed that rested on the floor of his parent's littered room.


Two in one week, four since the beginning of March.

They should add the part about not allowing babies to sleep in the same bed as you when you're drunk to the PSA.

[MichaelJCheaney]

Drunken co-sleeping: like the swine flu for Milwaukee babies.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/43817207.html



Two in one week, four since the beginning of March.

They should add the part about not allowing babies to sleep in the same bed as you when you're drunk to the PSA.

And how to clean up your house. And how NOT to sleep with 3 other people on a queen size bed...How to handle your screwdrivers (the egg donors drink of choice)

Oh yea this could be a never ending list.....

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Besides people, Bowman's bed also contained a comforter, two pillows, a baby bottle and lip gloss, according to the medical examiner's report.
I never sleep without my lip gloss right beside me.

[MichaelJCheaney]

I never sleep without my lip gloss right beside me.

Why?

Do you have something against sleeping with lip gloss?:stupido3:

Clearly you are not normal......:lollypop:

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Clearly you are not normal......:lollypop:
You are JUST noticing this?

I have nothing against lip gloss. Although I do call it "lip chap" because I think it's funny.

[joo]

You are JUST noticing this?

I have nothing against lip gloss. Although I do call it "lip chap" because I think it's funny.

Flavor of Love reference?

Jesus, please don't let me beat this bitch's ass--Saaphyri

[MichaelJCheaney]

Flavor of Love reference?

Jesus, please don't let me beat this bitch's ass--Saaphyri

Flavor of love?

Clearly I do not watch enough TV!

And I have Time Warner to thank for that!

[joo]

YouTube - Saaphyri - Lip Chap Prayer

It doesn't get more off topic than this.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Yes, I will confess to watching schlock. Occasionally I need to indulge in totally mindless drivel of no consequence. Besides, I'm a people watcher and get fascinated on "how they work".

[MichaelJCheaney]

Yes, I will confess to watching schlock. Occasionally I need to indulge in totally mindless drivel of no consequence. Besides, I'm a people watcher and get fascinated on "how they work".

You do indulge in totally mindless drivel for 20 weeks a year.

Watching the Minnesota Vikings play!:stupido3:

[Dakota Valkyrie]

You do indulge in totally mindless drivel for 20 weeks a year.

Watching the Minnesota Vikings play!:stupido3:
That is only TWICE a year that they play the Packers. :viking:

[Parkersmom120106]

Milwaukee=Florida: a fair assessment.

Damn..I'm screwed then! I was born in Milwaukee, raised and currently live in Florida and I'm a Packer fan. YIKES! Does is help that none of my family is from Milwaukee? They all live in other parts of WI (Appleton, Neenah-Menasha, Green Bay, Superior, Chippawah Falls). The only reason we lived there was because Dad was a Navy recruiter.

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Damn..I'm screwed then! I was born in Milwaukee, raised and currently live in Florida and I'm a Packer fan. YIKES!
You are TRIPLE screwed! Bummer. Scary. LOL

[Dakota Valkyrie]

Another Milwaukee infant has died after sharing a bed with an adult, the fifth child in the last 10 weeks.

The Milwaukee County medical examiner planned to do an autopsy on the nearly 2-month-old child Monday to determine the exact cause of death.

Milwaukee police say the infant's mother told investigators she was sharing a bed with her baby and awoke Sunday morning to find him face down and unresponsive.

Meekel McCleave's mother told police she went to a wedding Saturday night, had a few drinks and returned home about 1 a.m. Sunday.

Four other babies, all under 3 months old, have died since March 8 after sleeping with an adult. Milwaukee's Health Department launched a public awareness campaign in late April discouraging adults from sleeping with their babies.http://www.wkbt.com/global/story.asp?s=10380432

I think their "public awareness campaign" is not making anyone "aware".

[seductress]

I was always afraid to sleep with the kids when they were babies. Afraid I am too sound of a sleeper and would hurt them. I never did until they were toddlers. I'm not against anyone co sleeping with their children, many families do this. What can be done to stop these deaths?

They interviewed one of the neighbors of this baby last night and he said that as much as it would be great to pass a law about co sleeping, parents will still do it. I think it would be taking the parenting rights away.

It just seems way to common in the Milwaukee area in the past 6 months.

[akika666]

it's not a co-sleeping problem, it's an alcohol problem. co-sleeping is no biggie, i don't much care about it as a lifestyle choice either way, but i found that when i did fall asleep in bed with my babies (usually during middle of night nursing), there was a sixth sense that kept me aware of where she was, and because i couldn't toss and turn, i'd wake up again and put her back in the bassinette. that's cuz i was just tired and sleepy, not blitzed and comatose.

[coffee achiever]

Making co-sleeping illegal isn't going to solve the problem. Plenty of people - myself included - have coslept with their infants safely and responsibly.

Most hospitals offer breastfeeding consultation immediately after the baby is born. It would be very simple and inexpensive to also train these women to discuss safe sleeping arrangements with the new moms at the same time.

Cosleeping isn't for everyone. If you're a sound sleeper... If you're a restless sleeper... If you need a lot of blankets to sleep... If YOU'VE BEEN DRINKING... do not co-sleep with an infant.

This death was totally preventable, and caused by a fatal lack of common sense, not by cosleeping.

[seductress]

I was always afraid to sleep with the kids when they were babies. Afraid I am too sound of a sleeper and would hurt them. I never did until they were toddlers. I'm not against anyone co sleeping with their children, many families do this. What can be done to stop these deaths?

They interviewed one of the neighbors of this baby last night and he said that as much as it would be great to pass a law about co sleeping, parents will still do it. I think it would be taking the parenting rights away.

It just seems way to common in the Milwaukee area in the past 6 months.

It was not my opinion to stop the co sleeping, it was my question of what can be done to stop these deaths and to report what was reported on the local, as in Milwaukee, new last night since I live in an area that receives the Milwaukee news

[Abroad]

If you're a sound sleeper... If you're a restless sleeper... If you need a lot of blankets to sleep... If YOU'VE BEEN DRINKING... do not co-sleep with an infant.


The drinking in particular......

[evervigilant]

With the parents not cooperating this one looks like it has nothing to do with co-sleeping gone wrong . Maybe we'll be hearing of charges against the parents soon ...

[Athena]

This death was totally preventable, and caused by a fatal lack of common sense, not by cosleeping.

In THIS case. But co-sleeping related deaths are on the rise nationally; sharing a bed with children under the age of 2 is discouraged by the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Consumer Product Safety Commission and is considered an "unsafe sleep environment" by most CPS agencies and infant death organizations.

Of course, that's a generalization. The risk associated with co-sleeping can be lessened dramatically so long as a.) the mattress is firm, b.) the sheet fits tightly, c.) there are no loose blankets or pillows on the bed and, d.) the bed touches the wall as little as possible (a child will more easily survive a fall from the bed than getting wedged between the bed and the wall). Of course, a parent needs to be sober and aware of his or her sleeping habits, as well.

Because of this, I support co-sleeping being generally discouraged. I don't think it should be outlawed, I just don't think it should be encouraged.

[coffee achiever]

Co-sleeping is one of those topics that people on both sides of the issue tend to have really strong opinions about, and there are valid arguments both for and against it.

I personally don't think that cosleeping is inherently dangerous; the dangers arise from a lack of awareness about the risks, and a lack of knowledge about what constitutes a safe sleeping environment. Like a lot of things (teen sex, for example) it's easier for the government to discourage it across the board than to educate people on how it can be done safely. Frankly, I too thought it was a horrible idea until I had a baby and started researching the practice.

I'd encourage anyone who wants to cosleep to research it, discuss it with your OB / midwife / doula / pediatrician, and join a cosleeping support group.

[Athena]

Co-sleeping is one of those topics that people on both sides of the issue tend to have really strong opinions about, and there are valid arguments both for and against it.

I personally don't think that cosleeping is inherently dangerous; the dangers arise from a lack of awareness about the risks, and a lack of knowledge about what constitutes a safe sleeping environment. Like a lot of things (teen sex, for example) it's easier for the government to discourage it across the board than to educate people on how it can be done safely. Frankly, I too thought it was a horrible idea until I had a baby and started researching the practice.

I'd encourage anyone who wants to cosleep to research it, discuss it with your OB / midwife / doula / pediatrician, and join a cosleeping support group.

From what I've read, the benefits don't definitively outweigh the risks, but, ultimately, I do agree with you that it is a choice parents should be able to make for themselves, and they should be as informed as is possible. I also agree that education is always better than "abstinence" policy.

[MichaelJCheaney]

My personal opinion on this is that seeing as that Milwaukee has had 5 of these deaths in the last 10 weeks, something suspicious is happening....Obviously I am not going to call it Murder or anything like that at this point,

BUT I do believe that the DA or the Milwaukee Police Dept. NEEDS to investigate these cases much further.

The common thread in all of these has been alcohol and for lack of a better term Negligence and or just plain laziness.

Because that PSA that the Milwaukee Health Dept put out is OBVIOUSLY not working so well.

I do not believe that co-sleeping should be outlawed.

However IF a baby dies as the result of Mom or Dad going on a bender and deciding to sleep with Junior, the parents should be prosecuted.

[MichaelJCheaney]

I do wonder however exactly how many of these people who have had the cosleeping deaths actually owned cribs, and just decided for whatever reason not to use them?