Kurt Petersen, Brandon Ferrell, Larry Williams ICP fans charged w/ assault

[Kalehue]

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Kurt Petersen, Brandon Ferrell, Larry Williams

Four young men from Modesto who like to wear punk-rock clothing and have an affinity for a hardcore hip-hop band may have to stand trial on suspicion of beating a father in front of his daughters and girlfriend after an unusual encounter in Graceada Park.

In addition to charging the men with assault, the Stanislaus County district attorney's office alleges that Brandon Ferrell, 18; Joshua Huggins, 17; Kurt Petersen, 22; and Larry Williams, 20, are members of a criminal street gang known as the Juggalos.

According to the authorities, the men are not mere fans of a music scene known for its violent undertones, but criminals who share a common symbol, a cartoon hatchetman taken from the logo of their favorite band, Insane Clown Posse.

[...]

He said he was taking an after-dinner stroll in the park, along with his girlfriend and two of his daughters, ages 11 and 17, when Petersen rushed up, skidded into them as if he were sliding into third base and tried to shake the girls' hands.

"He ran at my girls at full speed and skid on the ground and popped up like a jack-in-the-box and asked to shake their hands," August said.

August said he shook Petersen's hand, keeping a firm grip until the "edgy" young man agreed to go back to his friends. August said he told Petersen he would "drop him like a log" if he ran up on the family again.

About 10 minutes later, as August and his family headed home, Petersen returned with four friends. The boys reportedly taunted August, saying he must be a child molester, then Petersen confronted August, saying August was mean because he would not give him $1.

August, 53, said he tried to reason with young men who didn't make any sense and was shoved to the ground after Petersen offered this sarcastic comment: "He said, "Oh, I'm so sorry, let me give you a hug."

August said he lost consciousness during the attack and woke up with a leg that was broken in two places.

Christina August, 17, said five men were pulled off her father by their friends. She picked Ferrell, Huggins, Petersen and Williams out of a crowd of 15 to 20 young people who were detained by police and could not find a fifth man who took part in the crowd.

Much more at link:
http://www.modbee.com/1618/story/677844.html

[Wicked Doll]

I was under the impression that Juggalos were not a "criminal street gang", but that some of their fans have a propensity for committing crimes. Am I wrong? piXyNinjette posted a thread about that.

Buck to the thugtards. . .aren't they a special bunch? How fucked up is it to pick a fight with a guy taking a walk with his family.

Ummm, yeah, didn't mean to post that frowny thing. Have no idea how that happened.

[sherrz]

Yeah these guys look like a bunch of fucking winners. *eye roll*

Juggalos/lettes are pretty awesome, I know a few around here. They're pretty mellow people for the most part. But they're down as shit too.

[piXyNinjette]

Glad it says "icp fans" in the topic and not Juggalos

JUGGALOS ARE NOT A GANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[piXyNinjette]

I was under the impression that Juggalos were not a "criminal street gang", but that some of their fans have a propensity for committing crimes. Am I wrong? piXyNinjette posted a thread about that.


Here is their myspaces

Brandon : http://www.myspace.com/bluntwrap420

Kurt: http://www.myspace.com/optimisticpersonpeerinout

Joshua (possibly having conflicting thoughts on his sexuality?):
http://www.myspace.com/hey_you_goth

From what i can tell only Brandon claims to be down. These other guys dont claim to be Juggalos so why the fuck is the whole news article relate them to ICP?

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h181/frand90/familyvalues.jpg

[Kalehue]

Glad it says "icp fans" in the topic and not Juggalos

JUGGALOS ARE NOT A GANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was interested to get your perspective. I guess, as with ANY group, there are always those bad apples who give the rest of the group a bad name.

These guys are certainly losers in my book -- ICP fans or not. Sounds like they were out just looking for trouble.

[Kalehue]

Here is their myspaces

Brandon : http://www.myspace.com/bluntwrap420

Kurt: http://www.myspace.com/optimisticpersonpeerinout

Joshua (possibly having conflicting thoughts on his sexuality?):
http://www.myspace.com/hey_you_goth

Hmmm....looks like Kurt's canceled his MySpace and Joshua has gone private.

[Wicked Doll]

Hmmm....looks like Kurt's canceled his MySpace and Joshua has gone private.

Awww, no fun! I hate it when they do that. Losers!

[Dakota Valkyrie]

The two on the left should donate some mouth to the dude on the right.

[petrina]

... or brains. oh wait. none to spare.

[Anodyne]

I think I had an ICP cd a decade ago.

The Great Malinko would pisspound these retards.

In fact, so would the friends I was hanging out with when I listened to them.

"Juggalos" are, as a whole, no sort of criminal organization at all. They just listen to music, paint their faces, and are enamored with a type of soda called faygo, which I hear you can buy in michigan.

These guys are just four (5) fucking douchebag losers, and once again the media has decided that the music some or one of them listens to has something to do with the fact that they are little cocksnivling pissant wanna be tough guys.

[piXyNinjette]

Juggalos are NOT a gang. But when some of us get together and cause trouble it makes us ALL look bad. we are NOT a gang and never will be. Anyone who claims to be part of a "Juggalo Gang" is a disgrace to the Juggalo name. We promote peace and treating other juggalos like family. Don't use the music you listen to as an excuse for your actions


http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/dj_psych0_juggal0/m_555376ec10a947ad99309ebe39ca5cf4.jpg

[petrina]

i dont think they are saying ALL icp fans, aka "juggalos", are a gang.

i think they are saying this particular bunch of kids is acting like a street gang and are calling themselves "the juggalos".

Here is the part of the story from The Modesto Bee explaining:

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"According to the authorities, the men are not mere fans of a music scene known for its violent undertones, but criminals who share a common symbol, a cartoon hatchetman taken from the logo of their favorite band, Insane Clown Posse.

Stanislaus County Superior Court Judge Dawna Frenchie Reeves must decide if the men must should face trial for assault and gang charges at the close of a preliminary hearing, which began earlier this week and resumes Tuesday.

There were plenty of witnesses to a March 7 altercation, so the main question for the judge is whether the Juggalos meet the penal code's criteria for a gang. A prosecutor noted that the case is unusual as she tried to show that the Juggalos claim the park and nearby Queen Bean coffeehouse as their turf.

"It's a really different philosophy of gangs than we're used to," said Deputy District Attorney Marlisa Ferreira."
********

http://www.modbee.com/local/story/677844.html

Of course, the defense says this is ridiculous. and it just might be. but i dont think the prosecution really believes ALL icp fans are gang members. i think DDA Ferreira is just trying to trump up their charge and stop them from hangin in the park.

[mjmsepm]

I think I had an ICP cd a decade ago.

The Great Malinko would pisspound these retards.

In fact, so would the friends I was hanging out with when I listened to them.

"Juggalos" are, as a whole, no sort of criminal organization at all. They just listen to music, paint their faces, and are enamored with a type of soda called faygo, which I hear you can buy in michigan.

Faygo Rocks !and Yes it is in MI we gotta have something our state is known for.....yummy....anywho I completly agree with this ^^^^^^^ quote!

[Lazlo]

I don't claim to know anything about ICP or Juggalo's, but I see a great similarity between this situation and the way the Grateful Dead's fans were painted by the media some twenty years ago. At that time, all "Deadheads" were portrayed as transient drug addicts, and any crimes committed by individuals wearing tie-dye with long hair were immediately associated with the band.

I witnessed a great influx of "newbies" into the scene who had no idea of what the culture at a dead show was like, and who had been drawn by the media's idea of what was going on during the shows. These dipshits brought their own distorted perspective, and mostly thought a show was about the suspension of morality and responsibility. Their actions fouled the nest for the whole group.

The point I am trying to make is that the lunatic fringe tends to attach itself to underground groups, and "straight" society is either unable or unwilling to differentiate between the righteous and the posers. It's easier to cast the whole scene in a mold and make judgments accordingly.

As a father, I would like to catch these guys alone without their "posse" and exact some real justice, both for their cowardly actions, and for trying to identify themselves with what appears to be a responsible association of music lovers.

[piXyNinjette]

from a post on www.Juggalonews.com

This is some straight up udderly ridiculous bullshit. These "Juggalos" going out killing people, Raping people, Robbing them and strangling them are going to ruin it for us all. Thier going ot make it so that if you wear a hatchetman or have a hatchetman decal on your car, that your affliated with a gang. WE ARE NOT A GANG PEOPLE...WE ARE A FAMILY!!!!!! That's what we are and these other so called "Juggalos'' need to understand that shit. We don't take the shit they say literally. Not every "Juggalo and Juggalette" are going out and killing bigots and wielding axes where ever we go.

When I go to shows I look forward to hearing the family chant and repping the hatchet. But when shit like this goes down it worries me to wear my Psychopathic Records jersey out for fear I will labeled in a gang.

Now this is the last thing I am saying and this is to the "Juggalos and Juggalettes" out there who are family. Show love for others even if they ain't showing love for you. Respect others even though they ain't respecting you. I want our family to go out and prove to the world we aren't all bad. We aren't all murders. That we have love and respect for our family, ourselves and others. Come on y'all I want the fam back to the way shit use to be. Before the fighting.Before the murders. Before all the bullshit. Let's get the respect back that ICP and our fellow fam worked so hard to get for us. That's all I got y'all.http://http://www.juggalonews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1251

There is ALOT of Juggalos that feel the way i do........... alot of nice comments on there about what real Juggalos are about

[petrina]

ty lazlo, i've stolen some of your words for my userprofilethingamajiggy

[HotReadingMama]

Am I the only damn person on DD who has not befriended a Juggalo? I am not positive I have ever even been in close proximity to one.

[Kalehue]

Am I the only damn person on DD who has not befriended a Juggalo? I am not positive I have ever even been in close proximity to one.

I'd never even heard of them until I joined D'D. The only Juggalo I even know about is Pixyninjette.

[HotReadingMama]

I'd never even heard of them until I joined D'D. The only Juggalo I even know about is Pixyninjette.

I have known about them for years, I have just never encountered one of these creatures. The Floridian Juggalo must be a rare and elusive species. Perhaps they are nocturnal?

[Kalehue]

I have known about them for years, I have just never encountered one of these creatures. The Floridian Juggalo must be a rare and elusive species. Perhaps they are nocturnal?

LOL! I think we must have the same situation going on in the suburban Houston-area. :-)

Completely out of thanks. Caught myself before I gave you a thank-you groan! Thanks for the laugh.

[piXyNinjette]

You probably know Juggalos. Im a fucking Juggalo for a long time and i rare sport a hatchetman on my clothes or anything. I have an axe charm around my neck which is a Juggalo group Axe Murder Boyz logo.....

If Juggalos are a Gang, who are their rivals?



Do Juggalos do Drive by Faygo Showering?



GRRRRRRRR

[Anodyne]

I have known about them for years, I have just never encountered one of these creatures. The Floridian Juggalo must be a rare and elusive species. Perhaps they are nocturnal?

The whores and spiders run them out.

Florida

*shudder*

[Nell]

Do Juggalos do Drive by Faygo Showering?

Lol. I gotta fucking commend PixyNinjette for even trying to explain shit to us. I know her pain. :D

[Kalehue]

You probably know Juggalos. Im a fucking Juggalo for a long time and i rare sport a hatchetman on my clothes or anything. I have an axe charm around my neck which is a Juggalo group Axe Murder Boyz logo.....

If Juggalos are a Gang, who are their rivals?



Do Juggalos do Drive by Faygo Showering?



GRRRRRRRR

I'm sure they're around -- I just don't know they're Juggalos. Kind of like unless I know people well, I might not know that they are vegetarian or Muslim or agnostic, etc., just by looking at them.

I guess if there are Juggalos around here (I'm sure there must be -- Houston is a major metropolitan area), they must mostly adhere to the family-concept versus the gangster, trouble-making stuff that puts these others in the news. That's a good thing. :-)

[DogMom]

Juggalos...

Juggalettes...

:blink:

I still don't get it.

[piXyNinjette]

I'm sure they're around -- I just don't know they're Juggalos. Kind of like unless I know people well, I might not know that they are vegetarian or Muslim or agnostic, etc., just by looking at them.

I guess if there are Juggalos around here (I'm sure there must be -- Houston is a major metropolitan area), they must mostly adhere to the family-concept versus the gangster, trouble-making stuff that puts these others in the news. That's a good thing. :-)


http://www.houstonjuggalos.com/
There are LOTS of Juggalos in Houston!

[Lizard]

http://www.houstonjuggalos.com/
There are LOTS of Juggalos in Houston!

I'm trying to figure out how to ask this without sounding offensive, because I truly don't mean to sound offensive. I've read your thread and done some independent reading about Juggalos and Juggalettes--but in the long run, why should I care? You and the evangelical Christians, do your thing, whatever it is, but shouldn't I spending my time thinking about Muslim terrorists or the swine flu crossing over to humans? Maybe the face paint and the guy with the hatchet looks ridiculous in general to "mainstream" Americans, but don't they seem even more retarded in comparison to an economic recession that has how many people unemployed and worried about the future? Yeah, so there are some idiots who put on the paint, go do dumb shit, and get arrested. Why should I give a fuck about them? And why should I give a fuck about the ones we're not seeing in the news?

(Honestly--asked earnestly.)

[piXyNinjette]

I'm trying to figure out how to ask this without sounding offensive, because I truly don't mean to sound offensive. I've read your thread and done some independent reading about Juggalos and Juggalettes--but in the long run, why should I care? You and the evangelical Christians, do your thing, whatever it is, but shouldn't I spending my time thinking about Muslim terrorists or the swine flu crossing over to humans? Maybe the face paint and the guy with the hatchet looks ridiculous in general to "mainstream" Americans, but don't they seem even more retarded in comparison to an economic recession that has how many people unemployed and worried about the future? Yeah, so there are some idiots who put on the paint, go do dumb shit, and get arrested. Why should I give a fuck about them? And why should I give a fuck about the ones we're not seeing in the news?

(Honestly--asked earnestly.)


Evangelical christians??
you lost me there

im not pushing anything in anyones faces, im saying Juggalos are not a gang.
You dont have to give a fuck about them if u dont want.

[Lizard]

Evangelical christians??
you lost me there

im not pushing anything in anyones faces, im saying Juggalos are not a gang.
You dont have to give a fuck about them if u dont want.

Did you READ the part where I said I'm not trying to be offensive?

You're right--that might be what I'm asking (should I even give a fuck about them?)--but I truly am not sure. We've seen multiple stories on this site that involve criminals who are purported to be linked to ICP in some way, and I'm trying to work out in my head what that means. I personally don't agree with what evangelical Christians believe, and I personally don't agree with what Juggalos/Juggalettes believe. In the long run, we could say that's neither here nor there in both cases. But we're seeing quite a few stories on this site that involve perpetrators with painted faces, tattoos of the hatchet figure, and so on. In other words, it appears that we have people who are at the worst hijacking the meaning of being a Juggalo/Juggalette and making that designation look bad and even criminal. Why? What's the mechanism by which this happens? Does the real issue revolve around how "young people" (in comparison to those, say, age 35+) are starved for meaning?

[Dakota Valkyrie]

I don't give a fuck about a lot of things I think about. I just like learning or understanding.
Does the real issue revolve around how "young people" (in comparison to those, say, age 35+) are starved for meaning?
That "issue" is older than all of us put together.

[TheMorningStar]

Not for nothing, but I caught a lot of shit from the cops because of my "Steal your Face" bumpersticker. Does this mean Dead Heads are a gang? This is just plain nuts.

[piXyNinjette]

in the standards they are putting juggalos in, yeah deadheads should be considered a gang too
lol

[HotReadingMama]

The whores and spiders run them out.

Florida

*shudder*

Did you just call me a whore? :P

[Death Bed]

ICP wouldn't have such a bad rap if they knew what the fuck they were talking about to begin with. They want to present themselves as being avatars of the Lord Jesus and the Dark Carnival as a metaphor of temptation and evil, which juxtaposes the two concepts of good and evil into very deeply morally ambiguous territory. Their "message" of their joker card albums is one of avoiding temptation, and only the truly wicked will fall prey to the tempters of the Dark Carnival. So ICP, is supposedly setting themselves up to be some sort of moral authority. However, interspersed with that are songs about randomly murdering people, staring at 13 year old girls big tits, prank calling people, killing ex-girlfriends, breaking out of prison and various other anti-social activity.

It's this blend of well-meaning EC comics type morality mixed with contradictory actions of it's creators that honestly does more harm than good. The majority of ICP fans are starved for meaning in their lives and latch on to this....bullshit.

I am a casual fan of ICP, I enjoy some of their songs....but I would never consider myself a juagglo because it's a stupid name for one thing and the things it stands for are rather odd. Not that all juggalos are bad, that's not the case. It's just not my bag.

[piXyNinjette]

U sure know alot of songs for a casual listener Death Bed.
Just saying
Good post tho

[Death Bed]

U sure know alot of songs for a casual listener Death Bed.

When I was in high school I owned Ringmaster, The Great Milkenko, The Amazing Jeckyll Bros. and Forgotten Freshness. I got The Wraith too when I was in college the first go 'round, Probably my fave CD by them too, but somebody stole that out of my car one night. I was a pretty big fan, I even have one of their comic books too (good artwork). I like them for the horror aspects and the irreverence that they have about themselves in most of their work.

I since gave all those CDs to my nephew, as he is 17 and could appreciate it more at his age than I could now at mine. I was 17 when I first got the Great Milenko. Good times.

So, I remember those days when I was younger and more (or less) foolhardy with a fond rememberance, but with knowing that I had to let them go in order to grow.

[DarkPrincess]

I had a friend who acted this sort of crazy when he was high on something.

[Kalehue]

People who call themselves Juggalos are not gang members simply because they embrace an anarchist philosophy touted by underground band Insane Clown Posse, according to an expert who testified today in Stanislaus County Superior Court.

But four defendants suspected of assaulting a man last month in Graceada Park are gang members, the expert said, because they travel in a pack, have clothes or tattoos with a cartoon hatchetman taken from their favorite band's logo and picked a fight when one of their own felt disrespected.

"A Juggalo gang member is someone that participates in criminal activities," said Marissa Castilone, a crime analyst for the Modesto police who is assigned to the Central Valley Gang Impact Task Force. "Not all Juggalos are street gang members."

During the third day of a preliminary hearing, a prosecutor told the court that investigators have identified five local gangs associated with a nationwide Juggalo movement: Modesto Family Klowns, Psychopathic Criminal Klowns, Juggalo Rider Bitch, Down 2 Party and Nothing 2 Lose.

The gang expert could not place defendants Brandon Ferrell, 18, Joshua Huggins, 17, Kurt Petersen, 22, and Larry Williams, 20, in any of the five gangs.

But Castilone said the men's unprovoked assault on Modesto resident William August - allegedly initiated by Petersen - can only be understood in the gang context.

[...]

Other Juggalos in the park pulled the defendants off August, whose leg was broken in two places. Police detained 15-20 young people, then arrested Ferrell, Huggins, Petersen and Williams.

Another man who reportedly participated in the attack on August was not arrested. Huggins, a minor, is being tried as an adult.

More at link:
http://www.modbee.com/1618/story/683211.html

[Death Bed]

It should have been pretty obvious from the article that they are a gang calling themselves "The Juggalos". Sorta like how in the Outsiders they called themselves the "Greasers" but they were cool.

[petrina]

i fucked a juggalo once. it was good but he refused to bathe. i had to cut him loose.

[Death Bed]

Did he walk up and bust a nut in your macaroni?

[Kalehue]

Four young men who are suspected of assaulting a family man in Graceada Park must stand trial as members of a criminal street gang the authorities call Juggalos, a judge said Friday.

Stanislaus County Superior Court Judge Dawna Frenchie Reeves also said defendants Brandon Ferrell, 18, Joshua Huggins, 17, Kurt Petersen, 22, and Larry Williams, 20, will have to return to county jail if they cannot post bail when they are arraigned May 22.

Prosecutors allege that the men are a gang — rather than mere fans of an underground band known as Insane Clown Posse, whose followers call themselves Juggalos — because they travel in a pack, share a common sign or symbol, the cartoon hatchetman associated with the band, and commit crimes.

The judge said there is enough evidence of gang affiliation to let a jury decide the matter.

"I am disturbed by the level of violence displayed by these young men on March 7," Frenchie Reeves said as she set bail for Ferrell, Huggins and Peterson, who have no prior records, at $90,000, and bail for Williams, who was convicted of assault as a juvenile, at $125,000.

The defendants were released on their own recognizance in the midst of a four-day preliminary hearing last month, due to a technicality. They invoked their right to a speedy trial before a prosecutor's scheduling conflict prompted a temporary suspension of the proceedings.

The judge said she will order bail again as soon as a prosecutor files formal charges, because there was no provocation for an assault on 53-year-old William August, whose leg was broken in two places.

http://www.modbee.com/crime/story/695718.html