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Athena
February 26th, 2008, 02:02 PM
Man ruled insane getting out in 5 after taking wife's life?
Man ruled insane 5 years ago is better now, doctors say
By HECTOR CASTRO
P-I REPORTER

Thomas Gene Gergen never denied he killed his pregnant wife, Kari, in the couple's Shoreline home early on Jan. 5, 2003. But after a series of mental evaluations at Western State Hospital, the courts determined Gergen was not guilty by reason of insanity, and he was committed to the custody of the hospital for treatment.

Now, five years later, Gergen, 35, might be set free, albeit under tight supervision.

Thursday, at a hearing in King County Superior Court, a judge will consider whether Gergen's mental health has improved enough for him to move off the Western State campus and into an apartment attached to his mother's Lakewood home. It's a move Gergen's doctors and his lawyer said he is ready to make, but it's a move the victim's family opposes.

"He's not cured. He's not curable," said Kari's father, John Osterhaug. "He's prone to murder. You don't cure that."

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After the shooting, the immediate reaction of Kari Osterhaug's family was not just grief but also sympathy for Gergen, whom they had liked, and his family. It was why they did not push prosecutors to seek a criminal trial that could have ended with Gergen in prison. "I didn't want to hurt them," Ingrid Osterhaug said, referring to Gergen's family. Both said they believed Gergen would be better off in a mental hospital, rather than a prison.

Although they felt he needed treatment, both parents said they were told by prosecutors and victim advocates that such treatment would take years, up to 20, or nearly as long as a criminal sentence would have been had Gergen been convicted at trial.

"I think we were misled as to Tom's fate," Ingrid Osterhaug said. "I never would have gone without a trial if I had known he was going to be out on the streets again."

Lichtenstadter said his client is ready to live in the community again. Gergen now knows he has a mental illness and is committed to taking his medications, largely because of his own remorse over the murders he committed, the attorney said.

"It's a horrific tragedy. He doesn't mince words about what happened. It's something he lives with every day," Lichtenstadter said. "All he wants to make sure is that he's safe." But Osterhaug's parents remain unconvinced and pin their hopes on delaying, for as long as they can, Gergen's full release into the community. "He will be a model patient until the time comes that he meets another woman," Ingrid Osterhaug said. "And God help her."

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Should allowances be made for mentally ill offenders? Should they be released simply because they were impaired at the time of the offense?

I believe that protecting the populace should be the justice system's primary purpose. In the event that a life was taken, I don't believe there is justification to risk reoffense, no matter what state the offender was in at the time of the offense and no matter how small the risk is.

TXChris
February 26th, 2008, 03:02 PM
There should definitely not be any leniency for any reasoning in the case of murder, other than self defense. There is no other defense for murder, as far as I am concerned. Regardless of the mental state of the person, the bottom line is that they took the life of someone else while not in protection of themselves or their family. This falls in lines with my thinking on law. Law should not be created with any specific group in mind, and punishment for crime should not be dealt out with any specific group in mind.

swivel
February 26th, 2008, 03:17 PM
A friend of my in Virginia had his father shot in the face by his own brother (His brother, the victim's son). He spent 2 years in a mental institution, and is now being released.

What I don't understand is the argument that he was "temporarily insane". Well, YEAH!! And he is obviously prone to these states of temporary insanitly. That's why he needs to be locked up. Forever.

I think sentencing needs to be kept apart from the "Why?" of guilt. What you do is this, just find out whether or not the accused is guilty. Then, look at the circumstances and previous record, and assign a sentence. Only then, can appeals to insanity be made, with the guilty given time in an clinic. Once they are "cured", they BEGIN their jail sentence.

This would pretty much end the insanity defense, since it would not be a reprieve.

Athena
February 26th, 2008, 04:27 PM
See, when you go that far, I find myself conflicted. I see the good in considering intent. It's a necessary component of law, in my opinion. Mitigating factors, degrees of offense...I think these are generally good things.

I just feel like, in matters so severe, release should not be allowed until the safety of the populace can be proven. Since it can't, the criminally insane that tend toward violence should be kept incarcerated.

CPL CHUD
February 27th, 2008, 02:00 AM
Being insane is even more reason to keep these people locked up. I guess the lesson we are teaching them is that if you've killed someone you've got to do something really crazy immediately after. Eat your own shit. Eat their shit. Eat everyone's shit. Eat everyone's shit and roll in your own shit. Vote for Hilary.

It'll shave those years off your sentence better than any lawyer can.

AnalBreeze
February 27th, 2008, 02:26 AM
You are all missing the point, He's better now! Good for him, Now that he's better
he can go out and find a new wife and start a family and have a perfectly normal life!
Life is weird like that, one day you can just murder someone and the next day you're
all better... They say he's better now, he just slipped up a little bit, 5 years ago
because he was sick! He's really better now... well that's what they said! :rolleyes: