House full of pot plants raided; crop seized

[ZombieBabe]

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Shiiiiiiiiiit. SO sad.


As gardens go, this is not what the occupant of this Liverpool house wanted to see - a million dollars worth of marijuana plants stacked neatly on his front lawn by police.

Following an anonymous tip-off, Liverpool police raided the house in Medley Avenue at 8am, arresting a 39-year-old man and discovering large marijuana plants growing in every room of the house.

"The people that live in the street have taken great interest in, of course," Inspector Paul Kitley from Liverpool police said of the cannabis plants stacked neatly in rows on the front lawn of the drug house.

The bust - 355 plants in total which police value at $1 million - was one of the biggest Inspector Kitley had seen in such a built-up area, he said.

"The whole house, every room, was just chock-a-block full of plants," he said.

Source (http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/1m-in-marijuana-growing-in-sydney-home/2008/02/12/1202760285482.html)

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[Dark Star]

OMFG What a beautiful lawn......what a bummer.:eek:

[kakihara]

Hahaha! Fucking potheads!

Rape a child, beat a woman, leave your whiney little snot/shit factory at the mall, rob a Girl Scout and you cry for their heads. One fucking deviant is busted in an illegal drug ring and you mourn the loss.

Hahaha! Fucking potheads!

Yours truly,

One jealous (not really) former pothead

[swivel]

Agree, kakihara. I'm laughing my ass off at these miserable fucks.

People see pretty plants. All I see are kids that will end up like my brother. Mid-30's and no motivation. Smoking daily and just wanting to sleep through life. Kids that found something better than school, better than family, better than the friends that really cared for them... and wasted their lives on an easy happiness.

Pot-heads disgust me. They pretend to be all about enlightenment, but can't find it without artificial aid. Happiness, transcendence, is something they have to steal because their wasted, devoid lives were never given the chance to learn how to earn or achieve it.

[kakihara]

Now don't get me wrong, I would maybe take the occasional toke if I could, but my pothead days are LONG gone. I used to think that getting high was the bees knees and would smoke weed everyday, all day...in my early twenties. Growing up, getting married and having real life responsabilities have changed that view drastically.

Seeing the world through haze free eyes is...Invigorating!

[ZombieBabe]

Agree, kakihara. I'm laughing my ass off at these miserable fucks.

People see pretty plants. All I see are kids that will end up like my brother. Mid-30's and no motivation. Smoking daily and just wanting to sleep through life. Kids that found something better than school, better than family, better than the friends that really cared for them... and wasted their lives on an easy happiness.

Pot-heads disgust me. They pretend to be all about enlightenment, but can't find it without artificial aid. Happiness, transcendence, is something they have to steal because their wasted, devoid lives were never given the chance to learn how to earn or achieve it.So because your brother is a worthless cad, that means we all are?! I'm a responsible adult and a productive member of society who pays taxes and goes to work everyday. I'm not hurting anyone by taking a couple of bowl tokes outside when I get home from work, am I?

I don't pretend jack shit. I like the five minutes that I get at the end of a long day that affords me a little shred of peace and quiet and a chance to get my thoughts together and give me a fast burst of energy. Pot does the opposite to me. I look around and see things that need to be done and I can't stand it, so I get my ass up and do them. :neutral: Maybe I'm just weird.

[Pirelli Jones]

Inspector Kitley said the pot haul would be taken to a secure evidence room before being burnt in about a week.

Oh the Humanity!-

[Dark Star]

Oh shit, here we go.

"Pot-heads disgust me. They pretend to be all about enlightenment, but can't find it without artificial aid. Happiness, transcendence, is something they have to steal because their wasted, devoid lives were never given the chance to learn how to earn or achieve it."

I am so sorry that I disgust you, damn that is a shitty judgment toward everyone who smokes marijuana. A wasted, devoid life? Oh, Swivel. I've been a daily marijuana smoker for years. I smoke for medical reasons. Maybe when I was a teen it didn't start that way. Hell, I even quit for some years and resumed, because it is good "for me". Why is at that as an adult I cannot choose what to ingest into my system in the privacy of my own home? I can assure you before I became disabled that I worked. I graduated nursing school and managed to practice nursing for over 20 years. I've been a productive member of my community. I am raising two beautiful children, one that I home schooled from 1st-4th grade. She is making A's & B's in public school. I now home school my 5 year old. So it's not like my pot-smoking has numbed my fucking brain cells. I manage to read and even write, holy fuck. :D

I try not to be judgmental with people. I try to be kind. I try real fucking hard to be peaceful to ignorance. I find it ignorant to group all people into one little box. Pot-smokers aren't all disgusting, wasted people, with devoid lives.

That is just plumb silly, and would seem to be entirely judgmental.

[swivel]

Yeah, Hippie, it is judgmental. You seem to be against all judgmental people. Is that correct?

I am for some judgmental people. If I agree with their judgment. Guess I'm just diverse like that.

I have zero tolerance for recreational drug use. I also don't think people should drive under the speed limit in the left hand lane of an Interstate under normal road conditions. I frown on every member of both of these groups.

Doesn't mean that I can't love those people. I do. I empathize with them. I try to see the world from their point of view. But I still hate the behavior. The choice. I really frown on the decisions these people are making.

Even back when I smoked cigarettes, I didn't like it about myself. I was judgmental about myself. But I still loved myself. Why do things have to be so black and white with you guys? Can't you compartmentalize your nasty addiction, and still love the other part of you just fine? Do you really have to make excuses for your faults in order to accept yourselves? Because doing so is dangerous. It leads to a confusion of what is right and wrong.

When we start justifying our bad behaviors to ourselves, we start generalizing this moral laziness to the rest of society. We forgive more and more until we don't truly care about people anymore. We SAY we care, but we support them hurting other people and themselves. How can this be moral or sane?

I set high standards, even knowing that I will fail them. To do otherwise is to guarantee myself a hollow success.

[gprime]

Like Hippie and ZB, I am outraged by this. That isn't because I smoke pot; I don't, and have no plans on changing that. Rather, I respect the rights of individuals. That means I support the right of a person to use pot if they desire, and in this case, the rights of the house owner to grow pot.

As far as drugs go, pot is mild. In many respects, it is less of a danger than tobacco or alcohol. We allow both of those though. How can a society be just when its governing policies are so arbitrary and random? It it hadn't been a Mexican transplant, but instead a longstanding American product, would we really treat it as we do now? I sincerely doubt it, as do many others.

At the end of the day, this sort of stunt is expected. Law enforcement officers are assigned to make raids like this, rather than catch true criminals, just so that they have something to show the press at the end of the day, while bitching about a lack of proper funding. The growers knew the risks, and the police knew the rewards, but none of that makes it right.

[swivel]

Like Hippie and ZB, I am outraged by this. That isn't because I smoke pot; I don't, and have no plans on changing that. Rather, I respect the rights of individuals. That means I support the right of a person to use pot if they desire, and in this case, the rights of the house owner to grow pot.

As far as drugs go, pot is mild. In many respects, it is less of a danger than tobacco or alcohol. We allow both of those though. How can a society be just when its governing policies are so arbitrary and random? It it hadn't been a Mexican transplant, but instead a longstanding American product, would we really treat it as we do now? I sincerely doubt it, as do many others.

At the end of the day, this sort of stunt is expected. Law enforcement officers are assigned to make raids like this, rather than catch true criminals, just so that they have something to show the press at the end of the day, while bitching about a lack of proper funding. The growers knew the risks, and the police knew the rewards, but none of that makes it right.

That is not the growing of someone who plans on keeping the product in their house. They are growing to sell to the community. That is nothing resembling privacy. Might as well say that a person has the right to build nuclear bombs in their house. Take some of these ideas to the extreme to see that they fail. This helps you realize that a line must be drawn somewhere, and then have a reasonable discourse on where that line lies. Don't say, "Inside the house == What-the-fuck-ever".

Yes, pot is one of the mildest drug offenses. So. Let's go across the board and legalize anything that pales in comparison to the "worst" offenses. Running a stop-sign? Who cares. Yelling at your wife, maybe just a little slap once a year? Sure. Not as bad as raping and killing her. Counterfeiting? Only if it is "Ones", right?

The relative banality of a crime doesn't mean we laugh about it, or ignore it. If you want the law changed, go through the process of getting it changed. Don't lobby for anarchy.

[gprime]

Yes, he did intend to sell it outside of his home. But this is a question of whether or not these people would have a right to purchase his pot. I realize that as American law stands, they don't. But I take great issue with that, as it violates their basic liberty.

I point out that pot is mild only to show the absurdity of the law. However, in this case, mildness is not the primary issue at hand. It is, as often the case, a concern regarding freedom. I support the right to buy, sell, or use any sort of drugs.

[swivel]

Yes, he did intend to sell it outside of his home. But this is a question of whether or not these people would have a right to purchase his pot. I realize that as American law stands, they don't. But I take great issue with that, as it violates their basic liberty.

I point out that pot is mild only to show the absurdity of the law. However, in this case, mildness is not the primary issue at hand. It is, as often the case, a concern regarding freedom. I support the right to buy, sell, or use any sort of drugs.

What is it with you Libertarians that think that all "rights" are equal? That isn't how it works.

The vast majority of us do not want drunks driving on the road. It increases our danger, with no way for us to minimize that danger by our own actions. We don't have to wait for something bad to happen to enact laws that protect society.

Same goes for the purchasing and selling of cocaine, heroin, and crack. These are substances that are sold in "victimless" acts of free trade. Society has a right to determine that some harmful behaviors are not allowed. Because of the costs to society as a whole.

No different than punishing a polluter, even though the pollution remains on their own land. Their action is still inherently wrong, and society has the right to restrict these "liberties".

I swear. I'm having a hard time telling this new breed of Libertarians from the anarchists and the extreme-PC ACLU. Don't you guys realize you have to pick a side when two liberties collide, and there is an objective moral truth that can guide you on these decisions?

[gprime]

Swivel, when we're talking about actual rights, not expected rights, then they are all equal. Until another person is harmed, no crime has been committed. So to punish a person for it is wrong. Drunk driving can have dangerous consequences, but so can driving while text messaging, something a great many people do. If you punish pre-emptively and without cause, where do you draw the line?

The difference we "Libertarians" (though I'm merely a Neo-Objectivist) and anarchists is huge. We want law and order, but only so much as is required to safeguard liberty. Most of our laws are pointless, unwarrented, and based on subjective moral standards or half-baked safety efforts rather than reasonable and purposeful.

The difference between me and the "extreme-PC ACLU" is, for starters, the lack of political correctness. I'll call a spade a spade and say things that are controversial or offensive. You know this. And I would happen to be on a different side than them on a number of issues, from gun control (they are anti-second amendment there) to enemy combatants (I don't think they have the same legal standing as you and I do). I don't have a bleeding heart, and I won't temper my views to stay politically correct.

[swivel]

Swivel, when we're talking about actual rights, not expected rights, then they are all equal. Until another person is harmed, no crime has been committed.

So, you think that the rest of the drivers do not have a right to expect every other driver to be sober?

I'm not sure if you saw my bullet-into-the-crowd analogy (Morbid came up with the idea), but it is the same thing here. You can't fire a bullet into a crowd, even if you assure authorities that you are taking careful aim to not hit anyone. The reason is the rights of the members of the crowd to not feel endangered.

You are choosing the rights of an immoral minority over the rights of a moral majority, which is why you deserve the ACLU slam. That's what they do.

[CPL CHUD]

You are choosing the rights of an immoral minority over the rights of a moral majority. That pretty much narrows it down to the crux of the arguement. I never understood being proactive in protecting the rights of people obviously in the wrong from an objective moral standpoint. It's just not the same as protecting the rights of minorities and I think people are getting that muddled up. I guess there is also confusion between what the objective moral good really is, which can hopefully be put to rest by weighing the postive and negative aspects of each given situation.

[swivel]

That pretty much narrows it down to the crux of the arguement. I never understood being proactive in protecting the rights of people obviously in the wrong from an objective moral standpoint. It's just not the same as protecting the rights of minorities and I think people are getting that muddled up. I guess there is also confusion between what the objective moral good really is, which can hopefully be put to rest by weighing the postive and negative aspects of each given situation.

Well-said. One paragraph to sum up the debates taking place in several threads right now. Thanks.

[taintfutcha]

I have zero tolerance for recreational drug use. I also don't think people should drive under the speed limit in the left hand lane of an Interstate under normal road conditions. I frown on every member of both of these groups.

what about alcohol consumption, gambling, porn, road rage. what are your judgement calls on those-out of curiosity?



Doesn't mean that I can't love those people. I do. I empathize with them. I try to see the world from their point of view. But I still hate the behavior. The choice. I really frown on the decisions these people are making.

do you mean you TRY and empathize with *them*?



Even back when I smoked cigarettes, I didn't like it about myself. I was judgmental about myself. But I still loved myself. Why do things have to be so black and white with you guys? Can't you compartmentalize your nasty addiction, and still love the other part of you just fine? Do you really have to make excuses for your faults in order to accept yourselves? Because doing so is dangerous. It leads to a confusion of what is right and wrong.

what is right and wrong can be black and white for some-but not all.
picking ones nose can be a nasty addiction. in the end, will a nose picker confuse
right and wrong? and to what end? humans, by nature, are wrought with faults set in place by our own reasoning. acceptance is very different for each of us when dealing with our "faults". is eating too much sugar, wrong? how much is too much?
what about spitting on the ground in a public place? right or wrong? is it ever ok?


When we start justifying our bad behaviors to ourselves, we start generalizing this moral laziness to the rest of society. We forgive more and more until we don't truly care about people anymore. We SAY we care, but we support them hurting other people and themselves. How can this be moral or sane?

the torch you carry is high and mighty indeed. you say *we* when you mean *I*-yes? " justifying bad behaviors" or accepting ones believed faults?

what you say here is your take on a situation and it is not without merit-however it is not fact but merely your feelings. to say that this is how "we "*all believe the same way* is erroneous.



I set high standards, even knowing that I will fail them. To do otherwise is to guarantee myself a hollow success.


to set an unobtainable goal is foolish and proves nothing but a lack of practicality.
setting high goals is, indeed, admirable.

just my 2 sense.
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[Morbid]

Yo, taintfutcha. There is a quote button you should use when you are replying back to someone, sentence by sentence. It makes it a LOT easier to read.

[taintfutcha]

Yo, taintfutcha. There is a quote button you should use when you are replying back to someone, sentence by sentence. It makes it a LOT easier to read.



yes dear

[swivel]

what about alcohol consumption, gambling, porn, road rage. what are your judgement calls on those-out of curiosity?


I think alcohol should be phased out, the same way we are working to phase out tobacco. Get rid of advertisement, raise taxes 200% or more, youth campaigns, public shame, etc...

I frown on gambling. I do not think it should be legal. Wagering between friends is another matter. This is a big topic that you can start a thread on if you want to debate it (hell, all of these are)

I think porn is the opposite of these other things. It is a benefit to society. I think it allows safe release of dangerous desires.

Road rage is pathetic and I try to shame those who exhibit it.



do you mean you TRY and empathize with *them*?


That is what "empathize" means. To try to feel what another feels. It would be pure hubris to assume that we can "KNOW" what someone else feels. The word contains this limitation.



what is right and wrong can be black and white for some-but not all.
picking ones nose can be a nasty addiction. in the end, will a nose picker confuse
right and wrong? and to what end? humans, by nature, are wrought with faults set in place by our own reasoning. acceptance is very different for each of us when dealing with our "faults". is eating too much sugar, wrong? how much is too much?
what about spitting on the ground in a public place? right or wrong? is it ever ok?


Are you arguing that since these limits are difficult to gauge, we shouldn't even try? That the boundary between picking one's nose and habitual cocaine use is too confusing for us to differentiate?



the torch you carry is high and mighty indeed. you say *we* when you mean *I*-yes? " justifying bad behaviors" or accepting ones believed faults?

what you say here is your take on a situation and it is not without merit-however it is not fact but merely your feelings. to say that this is how "we "*all believe the same way* is erroneous.


Elaborate. When I refer to human nature, I use "we". Not sure I see the complaint here.



to set an unobtainable goal is foolish and proves nothing but a lack of practicality.
setting high goals is, indeed, admirable.

just my 2 sense.


Disagree. This isn't about trying to run a 3-minute mile. It is trying to determine what is "right" and what is "wrong". We have to use, as our metric, a perfect example. I don't see the problem here.


(sorry for the quote-and-response style. I hate it to death, but your posting style forced my hand)

[taintfutcha]

empathy is by definition the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another. it means you can identify with another's feelings-you do not identify (by way of your statement) - my point is that while you may try and be empathetic you are not by definition.
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Are you arguing that since these limits are difficult to gauge, we shouldn't even try? That the boundary between picking one's nose and habitual cocaine use is too confusing for us to differentiate?
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no-only that right and wrong is different for each person. will you say what is right or wrong for another? may i say what is right or wrong for you? i'm not speaking of murder, i'm speaking of more mundane ills.

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we as opposed to I because you do not speak for me-you are speaking for yourself.
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my statement on setting unobtainable goals stands
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while i do not think porn is "wrong" it most assuradely has been a barometer of the state of mind of men towards women and the aggression and dominance that is omnipresent. and the direction it is going bodes ill for both sexes.

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apologies for being choppy-i should have waited to finish my phone dealings before tapping awa on here-

[taintfutcha]

growing, selling marijuana is against the law, therefore the law must be upheld.

i do not agree with this law. i do agree with laws being lived with.

i do not like the political implications marijuana lives under. i don't appreciate it being used as a way for the government of my country to seize possession of all assets of a person found growing/selling marijuana.

i don't like the instances of law enforcement being found to have confiscated marijuana and sold it, pocketing the money. where i hear of one case of this-i can only think there are at least 10 more instances of it happening the same day.

drugs of all kinds are used as leverage by law enforcement and government. this i find abhorrent.

as govenor swarzenegger has said; marijuana is not a drug, it is a plant.

[swivel]

growing, selling marijuana is against the law, therefore the law must be upheld.

i do not agree with this law. i do agree with laws being lived with.

i do not like the political implications marijuana lives under. i don't appreciate it being used as a way for the government of my country to seize possession of all assets of a person found growing/selling marijuana.

i don't like the instances of law enforcement being found to have confiscated marijuana and sold it, pocketing the money. where i hear of one case of this-i can only think there are at least 10 more instances of it happening the same day.

drugs of all kinds are used as leverage by law enforcement and government. this i find abhorrent.

as govenor swarzenegger has said; marijuana is not a drug, it is a plant.

I don't know if quoting the Terminator is going to help your cause, but I can admire the effort.

People don't smoke pot because of the plant, they smoke it because of the THC. And THC is the drug. If you want to develop a THC-less pot, and market it for smoking, I support you. But I don't think that is what you are trying to do, I think you are just trying to be clever. Again, I so admire the effort.

Now, as for the rest, are we supposed to be shocked that you find a law distasteful, when said law prevents you from fulfilling your hedonistic desire to get fucked up? I frankly expect it. Pot smokers hate pot laws. Cool. What they never can articulate is a reason that these laws are unjust, except an appeal to privacy (which doesn't protect self-immolation), an appeal to the cool things you can do with hemp (which synthetics do better), an appeal to the naturalistic fallacy (when arsenic is also a naturally-occurring substance), and an appeal to lesser or greater evils (alcohol or cocaine).

So, fire one up and see if you can't come up with something new.

[taintfutcha]

I don't know if quoting the Terminator is going to help your cause, but I can admire the effort.

danke

People don't smoke pot because of the plant, they smoke it because of the THC. And THC is the drug. If you want to develop a THC-less pot, and market it for smoking, I support you. But I don't think that is what you are trying to do, I think you are just trying to be clever. Again, I so admire the effort.

coffee is the most widely used drug and i do partake. i don;t smoke pot-i just don't like the leverage angle used. full stop.

Now, as for the rest, are we supposed to be shocked that you find a law distasteful, when said law prevents you from fulfilling your hedonistic desire to get fucked up? I frankly expect it. Pot smokers hate pot laws. Cool. What they never can articulate is a reason that these laws are unjust, except an appeal to privacy (which doesn't protect self-immolation), an appeal to the cool things you can do with hemp (which synthetics do better), an appeal to the naturalistic fallacy (when arsenic is also a naturally-occurring substance), and an appeal to lesser or greater evils (alcohol or cocaine).

sorry to blow your theory into the hopper-but again-i don;t smoke the kind. i have. i do resent my physicians recommending it-"off the record", because it works better than many pharmaceuticals for several maladies. must be something worthwhile to it.



So, fire one up and see if you can't come up with something new.

i'm a adrenaline junky-can you find fault with that? sparky.

i havnt had liquor for over 20 yrs, don't smoke, don't gamble, do pick my nose on occaison, do watch porn on occaison but i am a mighty buzz hungry creature on the hoof. not many of us are without some indulgence-i love a hot cuppa in the morning. i like my coffee like i like my men; small and bitter

[taintfutcha]

bologna-

this is why i keep an editor on staff

[swivel]

i'm a adrenaline junky-can you find fault with that? sparky.

i havnt had liquor for over 20 yrs, don't smoke, don't gamble, do pick my nose on occaison, do watch porn on occaison but i am a mighty buzz hungry creature on the hoof. not many of us are without some indulgence-i love a hot cuppa in the morning. i like my coffee like i like my men; small and bitter

Sorry if you take offense with my opinions. I'm discussing larger issues than just you, or I, or any one person. I'm talking about laws that apply to all.

No offense meant. Ever.

[taintfutcha]

no offense taken-at all.

i like a decent debate on topics of my interest-i don't need everyone to agree with me.

your arrogant stance and provocative posts entice someone like me to tryst.

but what of your angle of attack now that it is found i am not a grower/smoker?

i agree that it is the laws and consequences of the marijuana laws that are of importance. it appears the laws provide the government liberties and those liberties are in short supply to the general public these days.

i would indeed rather see law enforcement dwell on the trafficing of other drugs and
violent crime.

marijuana is a cash crop for the government and that is why it is still illegal.

when "they" have sorted out the control and taxing of pot to a point where "they" make as much $ as "they" do keeping it illegal; we shall see a change in the laws.

[CPL CHUD]

marijuana is a cash crop for the government and that is why it is still illegal.

when "they" have sorted out the control and taxing of pot to a point where "they" make as much $ as "they" do keeping it illegal; we shall see a change in the laws.
I see these points brought up all the time but have never seen any actual evidence of it. I actually see the opposite becoming true. I see tobacco and alcohol being phased out in the future; that at least seems to be the trend. I don't see the majority accepting the legalization of more drugs. How else would you explain the increase in anti-smoking campaigns?

[swivel]

marijuana is a cash crop for the government and that is why it is still illegal.

when "they" have sorted out the control and taxing of pot to a point where "they" make as much $ as "they" do keeping it illegal; we shall see a change in the laws.

The opposite is true. Pot is not a cash crop for the US. Tobacco is. Alcohol is. Heavily taxed and pure-profit.

Pot is the opposite of a cash crop. In 2004, it cost the US government 4 Billion dollars to fight marijuana.

What's funny is that pot-smokers drag this stat out to explain decriminalization, and then posit that pot is a cash-crop.

Typical conspiracy-theory reasoning.

[taintfutcha]

nicotine has long been shown to be a serious health risk. lobbying to ban tobacco makes good sense politically, given the numbers. tobacco companys are required by law to add warning labels and produce anti smoking media in accordance with law suits past and present. do i think cigarettes will go away? not a chance. when i see that people are willing to pay 4-5$/pack of fags; i believe it is here to stay in one form or another. the problem for the government with smokes is the blackmarket which is thriving.

same goes for liquor. humans have been soaking their snouts in mead for time gone by. there is a huge amount of money to be made off of liquor and cigarettes. they won't be going away any time soon-imo.

the media on these items wants to keep a soft angle (please drink responsibly following a dewars ad) to appear aware of the health risks and comply with whatever
the surgeon general is parlaying at the moment. it is all about money and as long as the governments are getting a good cut-it will continue.

as far as showing examples of money being made off pot by the government, one would need to keep a weather eye out at all times to catch it in the media. it isnt something that is want to be shown plainly.

my personal experiences and having relatives in law enforcement and government officiating have tempered my opinion.

[taintfutcha]

The opposite is true. Pot is not a cash crop for the US. Tobacco is. Alcohol is. Heavily taxed and pure-profit.

Pot is the opposite of a cash crop. In 2004, it cost the US government 4 Billion dollars to fight marijuana.

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i beg to differ.

[taintfutcha]

what happens to the crops of marijuana seized? what happens to the property and assets of the people from whom the pot was taken?

[Morbid]

what happens to the crops of marijuana seized? what happens to the property and assets of the people from whom the pot was taken?

Pay the salaries of all that were involved in taking it?

[CPL CHUD]

there is a huge amount of money to be made off of liquor and cigarettes. they won't be going away any time soon-imo.


I don't think anyone is saying they will go away soon. Both products are so intertwined in culture and widely used that it will take a long time to get rid of either, but the fact that governmental funded anti-smoking campaigns are on a rise, alcohol abuse violations are facing stiffer penalties, and the existence of sin tax kind of works against your conspiracy theory that the government is promoting these goods to turn more of a profit. If that really was the case the opposite would be true.

[swivel]

what happens to the crops of marijuana seized? what happens to the property and assets of the people from whom the pot was taken?

Most of it is burned.

And the assets are sold for much less than they are worth, and those funds go back to the budgets that, despite this effort, still lost 4 BILLION dollars in 2004 alone.

Are you resorting to the conspiracy-theory tactic of claiming that this number, from the DEA, is a lie to cover up for the vast amounts of money they all pocket from the sale of seized assets? Or that all the seized drugs go to dealers, and politicians are rolling around in the money, naked?

I kinda need to know how crazy you are before I decide if I should spend more time in this debate, or go read some more comics. I have nothing against crazy people, but I like my comics, so please let me know if you are a crazy person.

Thanks.

[taintfutcha]

we will have to disagree i suspect. i think the phrase "conspiracy theory" is over used in general. because i don't always believe what i'm being told by the government doesnt earn me any label, as far as i'm concerned. i do, however, intend to make up my own mind about all issues blown my way. running with the sheep has never been a plan of mine. cheers

[swivel]

we will have to disagree i suspect. i think the phrase "conspiracy theory" is over used in general. because i don't always believe what i'm being told by the government doesnt earn me any label, as far as i'm concerned. i do, however, intend to make up my own mind about all issues blown my way. running with the sheep has never been a plan of mine. cheers

Cool. I actually trust our government just as much as I trust any person, or group of people. Charities and churches are corrupt, no more, no less. Understanding human nature reveals that the flaws are within us, not created by the groups we form. I think the vast majority of government officials are doing what they think is best for the country the vast majority of the time. Sometimes they make bad decisions, sometimes they make mistakes, sometimes they do bad things.

But they don't shoot missiles at their own office building, they don't fly planes into skyscrapers to grab oversea oil, they don't deal drugs (unless undercover to make a bust), they don't lie about WMD's to get revenge for daddy. They get up, kiss the spouse, have a mug of joe, and go to work. Some are worse than others, but they don't collude together to spy on you, and steal your pot to turn a profit.

[taintfutcha]

i do not trust our government and i don't think some of the members making decisions have the public's best interest at heart. it wasnt something i acquired as i got older(my lack of faith)-from the time i was very young i saw corruption for what (i believe) it is. there are a large number of people who do get up, go to work and do their best.

there are a number of people who get up, go to work and do their best to better their own situation-whatever that entails. to believe otherwise is terribly naive.


i'm not in "it" to convert anyones way of thinking-but my own beliefs are very firmly cemented.

the good people who make policy for their own means rationalize their decisions in lots of flavors. buying into pretty colors and happy outcomes is easy. why are the people who hold offices there to begin with? how did they come to hold the post?
what is it they think they can do? why is it they think they can do it *better*?

[swivel]

i do not trust our government and i don't think some of the members making decisions have the public's best interest at heart. it wasnt something i acquired as i got older(my lack of faith)-from the time i was very young i saw corruption for what (i believe) it is. there are a large number of people who do get up, go to work and do their best.

there are a number of people who get up, go to work and do their best to better their own situation-whatever that entails. to believe otherwise is terribly naive.


i'm not in "it" to convert anyones way of thinking-but my own beliefs are very firmly cemented.

the good people who make policy for their own means rationalize their decisions in lots of flavors. buying into pretty colors and happy outcomes is easy. why are the people who hold offices there to begin with? how did they come to hold the post?
what is it they think they can do? why is it they think they can do it *better*?

I don't fully understand the bit that I bolded. Please elaborate.

Look, as long as you distrust everyone equally, I'll grant you your right to be as pessimistic towards your fellow man as you like. I just don't understand why the government gets extra vilification for being corrupt. Why not hate the churches, as they seem far more corrupt to me than any government? Why not hate the charities, which have been known to fleece the people for private gain? Do you hate every business you frequent with equal fervor? For some reason, I don't think you do. Even though the people in government are put there by us, and cycled in and out, while the leaders of churches, charity, and government are often there for life, and through their own scheming, and not by a public mandate.

For this bit of reasoning alone it would make more sense to trust the government more than any other human institution. Yet conspiracy theorists do just the opposite. I can't quite figure out how this happens.

[ZombieBabe]

Why not hate the churches, as they seem far more corrupt to me than any government? Why not hate the charities, which have been known to fleece the people for private gain?I can't speak for taint-whatever, and I don't distrust nor outright trust the government, but I can answer the gist of that question.

I don't have to be involved in religion. I don't have to give them my money. I don't have to follow their tenets. Same with charity. I don't have to give them my money if I don't want to.

I DO, however, have to give my money to the government or I go to prison. I DO have to abide by their rules.

I'm not arguing politics, 'cuz heaven knows I hate that shit. I'm just answering those questions as generally as I can. I don't want to debate about this, especially with you swiv, so let's not turn it in to that, mmmmkay? :love:

[taintfutcha]

i do not trust any organized religions or charities. i think the girl scouts and related
organizations are suspect. you seem to have labeled me and sorted me already.
businesses are in business to make money-i believe that. i think almost everybody who seeks to hold public office has a secret agenda-whether they believe themselves to or not. and no one is above bribery or blackmail.

i believe no one is above a good ass kicking either-hahhha.

i know good cops and bad cops. the good cops still take advantage of their situations; ie keeping confiscated "swag" from arrested individuals for instance. i do have first hand witness to this on a regular basis.

as to your inquiry bolded;simply answer the questions. i would hazard to guess my answers would differ from yours.

people seeking to have the power to be policy makers have specific personality traits for the most part. people who have achieved an office usually come from specific income brackets.

i was exposed to the malleus maleficarum at a young age. i hold nothing but disgust for "the church"

[CPL CHUD]

I'm not sure if people in office have any more of a secret agenda than any one of us, unless you're refering to the secret agenda of getting re-elected.

[ZombieBabe]

and no one is above bribery or blackmail.Including you?










i believe no one is above a good ass kicking eitherI'm just quoting this so that everyone knows that I didn't just single out that ONE sentence.

[taintfutcha]

especially me

[swivel]

i believe no one is above a good ass kicking either-hahhha.

Yeah? Tell that to this guy:

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9750/halfman450x400xa3.jpg

[taintfutcha]

better, faster, stronger...he'll not be above an asskicking.

this girl is in the process of a serious asskicking-http://www.bostonblueyes.com/blog/oh-my.gif

[swivel]

better, faster, stronger...he'll not be above an asskicking.

Yo. He doesn't HAVE an ass.

[taintfutcha]

hence the lead in you must have missed at the header-eh

has your sense of humor kicked the bucket or are you devising a reason to claim
a conspiracy theory?

[ZombieBabe]

I am a big, hairy twatwaffle. That is all.

[Dark Star]

Wow, ZB. I must be really stoned or possibly not stoned enough, or perhaps maybe I am even traumatized by my most recent Wally World visit, but shit fire it seems as though you came down a little hard there.:wink: I guess I am fucked up because I actually dug some of the shit taint was saying. :p


*sneaks out quietly to avoiding any stoning*:eyes:



:bigboulay:

[ZombieBabe]

Wow, ZB. I must be really stoned or possibly not stoned enough, or perhaps maybe I am even traumatized by my most recent Wally World visit, but shit fire it seems as though you came down a little hard there.:wink: I guess I am fucked up because I actually dug some of the shit taint was saying. :p


*sneaks out quietly to avoiding any stoning*:eyes:



:bigboulay:This is why one shouldn't post when drunk AND on the rag. :oops:

[taintfutcha]

so you posted some smack and edited it? what's with that?

i'm against editing as well as the church-if you have something to yark-feel free;
it's an internet discussion-blow chunks if you wish.

i hate missing good schmear-esp. when it's directed at me.

sally fucking forth and rag on-

smite at will

[ZombieBabe]

I was being a petty cunt, and it was uncalled for - THAT'S why I edited it. I don't give a crap about having a verbal slappy-fest with you over the net, if that's what you're insinuating.

The gist of it my post though, and I still think this is true, is that you give swivel shit for not having a sense of humor when I don't think you have much of one yourself. Swivel is being sarcastic 95% of the time and you don't pick up on it - you just keep on mouthing off. You rub me the wrong way in almost every post you make, and I think you need to lighten up.

Just my 2 cents.

[taintfutcha]

ahhhh=petty indeed. but-tis your prerogative.

i do believe this is at least the 2nd time you have instructed me "how" to post here.

and this is at least the second time i will tell you that i shall proceed without a second thought to express myself as i see fit.

this swivel fellow seems well equipped to speak for himself. perhaps my sarcasm is so dry-some such as yourself can not detect it. i can hardly be responsible for your interpretation of my posted words. nor would i wish to be.

i dare say you will find many people who will irritate you in all the nooks and crannies of the world-if you venture forth. allowing anyone to get under your skin on the internet should teach you a lesson about yourself. showing your ass-as you have done (giving away your weak spots) will only open you up to further irritation to anyone deeming you worthy enough to pursue as an easy mark.

that's a tad of advice for you-i suggest you make good use of it.

[ZombieBabe]

that's a tad of advice for you-i suggest you make good use of it.Oh, I will! I ABSOLUTELY will! Thanks a bunch! :great:

[Dark Star]

ahhhh=petty indeed. but-tis your prerogative.

i do believe this is at least the 2nd time you have instructed me "how" to post here.

and this is at least the second time i will tell you that i shall proceed without a second thought to express myself as i see fit.

this swivel fellow seems well equipped to speak for himself. perhaps my sarcasm is so dry-some such as yourself can not detect it. i can hardly be responsible for your interpretation of my posted words. nor would i wish to be.

i dare say you will find many people who will irritate you in all the nooks and crannies of the world-if you venture forth. allowing anyone to get under your skin on the internet should teach you a lesson about yourself. showing your ass-as you have done (giving away your weak spots) will only open you up to further irritation to anyone deeming you worthy enough to pursue as an easy mark.

that's a tad of advice for you-i suggest you make good use of it.

Now goddammit that wasn't nice, and it was uncalled for. Shit fire.

STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!!::eek:

[I am Legend]

thoughts on this thread so far:

Swivel sounds like the guy who once dated a pothead who dumped him for a dealer because he kept whining about her being high, As for your brother who is unable to use pot and still be able to function in the real world; too bad your poor lil brother wastes his life..........guess what.............i bet his life would be a waste with or without pot. thats just his excuse to cover up his own inner weakness i would guess. many people use pot and function just fine in the world we live in. And because of its stigma and laws against it, not to mention workplace drug testing, i guarantee a lot more people use it than you will ever know.

i have zero tolerance for people who pretend they see the world through some type of clear-focus lens which allows them a more refined version of this reality because they dont use. (see how we can all be holier than thou?) stfu geek, i smoke because i like being high, der. its not an "escape" nor is it a way to cope. i just dont like to wear the "mr serious"role all the live long day.its fun, and i believe life was given to us to enjoy. its not too hard to figure out is it?

As long as alcohol is legal potheads will feel that laws against pot are unfair. since thats a true statement, its a good gripe. People will always...........ALWAYS get fucked up, and that will never change. Drugs will always be a part of this reality in some way.

so lighten up Francis, nothing you say will ever change the world. and pot will be smoked regardless of how much you cry about it.

so turn up the Bob Marley and turn down the geek squad!

I LOVE YOU MARY JANE
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u141/d-lo17/maryjane.jpg

[swivel]

this swivel fellow seems well equipped to speak for himself.

Actually I prefer it when other people fight my battles for me. Especially the ladies of DreaminDemon. If any of them would ever like to speak for me, stick up for me, smack an annoying bloke around for me, I really appreciate it. I will probably "thank" your post, and send you a PM Valentine.

Just to clear things up, because taintfutcha seemed to be speaking for me here, and I do not agree with him one bit. How very fucking presumptuous...

[Dark Star]

People will always...........ALWAYS get fucked up, and that will never change. Drugs will always be a part of this reality in some way.

so turn up the Bob Marley and turn down the geek squad!

I LOVE YOU MARY JANE
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u141/d-lo17/maryjane.jpg

Now, there is some reality!:D

[Rotten Apple]

i smoke because i like being high, der.

Finally! Someone said it!

People like to get high and don't want to be hassled about it. That's what it all comes down to.

I'm sure if someone tried to take my Pink Truck away, I'd be outraged too.

I love you Pink Truck.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/kapesetsky/pink-truck-wine.jpg

[swivel]

And I like sticking my fingers in dead 4-year-olds! Woo-Hoo!

Hey, they are already dead, why should this be illegal! Besides, it is FUN!!!!

Yay, Yay, Yay, everyone do whatever you feel like! WOOO-HOOO!

And pretend it has something to do with a political or moral philosophy, that way you sound smart, instead of looking like a slack-willed hedonistic piece of shit! Just say you are a Libertarian!!! YIPPEE!!!

[Dark Star]

And I like sticking my fingers in dead 4-year-olds! Woo-Hoo!

Hey, they are already dead, why should this be illegal! Besides, it is FUN!!!!

Yay, Yay, Yay, everyone do whatever you feel like! WOOO-HOOO!

And pretend it has something to do with a political or moral philosophy, that way you sound smart, instead of looking like a slack-willed hedonistic piece of shit! Just say you are a Libertarian!!! YIPPEE!!!

What are you doing, Swivel, comparing finger-fucking a dead child to pot smoking? You have gone mad!!! Quick man, grab the bottle of PINK TRUCK. Sip slowly, I've heard Kathy say, it kicks ass. Muhahahhahaha.:D

[ZombieBabe]

I think he's stoned...

[Rotten Apple]

Yay, Yay, Yay, everyone do whatever you feel like! WOOO-HOOO!

And pretend it has something to do with a political or moral philosophy, that way you sound smart, instead of looking like a slack-willed hedonistic piece of shit! Just say you are a Libertarian!!! YIPPEE!!!

No, like I said, some people just like to get high. No political or moral philosophy to it. The only person that is arguing the political or moral philosophy viewpoint is the one that DOESN'T smoke (besides me.)


I think he's stoned...

Whatever, he's killing my Pink Truck buzz. I think I'm gonna go drive drunk with an unrestrained child in the back seat while I smoke a pack of cigarettes and try to get pregnant with my registered sex offender boyfriend on our way to a no blacks allowed restaurant.

I'm out.

[swivel]

What are you doing, Swivel, comparing finger-fucking a dead child to pot smoking? You have gone mad!!! Quick man, grab the bottle of PINK TRUCK. Sip slowly, I've heard Kathy say, it kicks ass. Muhahahhahaha.:D

I don't see the big deal. It isn't like the kid is alive. It is a victim-less crime, for pete's sake.

Besides, elsewhere I have seen pot-smoking likened to drinking, cocaine, and heroin. What gives you the right to draw the line?

[Dark Star]

What gives you the right to draw the line?

Same as you I suppose, a big mouthed human with something to say. ;)

btw I didn't draw any lines, shit fire man, I'm typing. I ain't got no damn pencil!
hahahaha

[Rotten Apple]

What gives you the right to draw the line?

God. I'm his favorite.

[swivel]

btw I didn't draw any lines, shit fire man, I'm typing. I ain't got no damn pencil!
hahahaha

Blast! You have bested me!


Look, everyone is a Liberal to someone, and a Conservative to someone else. We all think that OUR rules of right vs. wrong are entirely reasonable, and should be set down as law.

What I am arguing here is that one set of beliefs is necessary, for the entire globe, as we become more connected, otherwise we have justifiable conflict.

The same person who loves chocolate, would have the same argument for keeping chocolate legal as the person who loves pot, cocaine, heroin, bestiality, polygamy, and fingering dead 4-year-olds. Which of these are liberties with no, or minimal costs? How can each "user" be sure that they are being rational, and not just defending a barbaric and hedonistic lust for a particular addiction? Perhaps a harmful addiction.

Arguments that don't resolve these boundaries:

- It feels good.
- I do it in my home.
- I do it alone.
- It is better than so-and-so, which is also legal
- It is just barely worse than so-and-so, which is rightly illegal (and marks the border)

These are arguments of relativity, shame, and hedonism (in reverse order). They are not arguments dealing with ANY of the merits or consequences of the behaviors. Which is why they all fail.

Oddly, these are the only arguments I ever see, even though I can think of some good ones on both sides that actually make sense. Benefit of being sober, I suppose.

[taintfutcha]

Actually I prefer it when other people fight my battles for me. Especially the ladies of DreaminDemon. If any of them would ever like to speak for me, stick up for me, smack an annoying bloke around for me, I really appreciate it. I will probably "thank" your post, and send you a PM Valentine.

Just to clear things up, because taintfutcha seemed to be speaking for me here, and I do not agree with him one bit. How very fucking presumptuous...
----

ahh-a cheesedick-no worries.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w154/ithinkilovehim69/drunk_people_7.jpg

[CPL CHUD]

I'm a hedonistic pizza eating, beer guzzling piece of shit, but it doesn't mean I want my future offspring (in the offshot I have any) to be the same. I can recognize my worthlessness, adopt to it, and not make any high faluting philosophical excuse for it.

I want my piece of shit traits abolished from the earth.

[Dark Star]

Actually I prefer it when other people fight my battles for me. Especially the ladies of DreaminDemon. If any of them would ever like to speak for me, stick up for me, smack an annoying bloke around for me, I really appreciate it. I will probably "thank" your post, and send you a PM Valentine.

Just to clear things up, because taintfutcha seemed to be speaking for me here, and I do not agree with him one bit. How very fucking presumptuous...
----

ahh-a cheesedick-no worries.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w154/ithinkilovehim69/drunk_people_7.jpg

Taint that is fucking nasty. Totally nasty. Please no more pictures of your boyfriend.

[Dark Star]

Blast! You have bested me!


My dearest friend, I shall mark this day down so it may forever remind me that once, yes once, I bested the Swivel. ;)

Much peace and love to you,
Hippie:love:

[swivel]

I'm a hedonistic pizza eating, beer guzzling piece of shit, but it doesn't mean I want my future offspring (in the offshot I have any) to be the same. I can recognize my worthlessness, adopt to it, and not make any high faluting philosophical excuse for it.

I want my piece of shit traits abolished from the earth.

Agree. I still have some things to work on. OK, two. I think what separates us from some others, is that we are at once comfortable with ourselves, but not comfortable with some of our actions, our choices.

Is it arrogant of me to have high expectations of myself and others? Or is the real hubris to want your flaw writ as law?

[taintfutcha]

hippie-
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-3/1251525/118896930181.jpg

[swivel]

Tobe? Is that you?

[ZombieBabe]

hippie-Your screen name perplexes me. How would you go about pronouncing something like that?

You do know that "taint" is a slang word for the area between a man's asshole and his balls, right? I'm just sayin'...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=taint

[Dark Star]

hippie-
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-3/1251525/118896930181.jpg

What in the fuck did you do to your pussy, taint? Shine a light in it's freaking eyes? Poor kitty looks frightened as hell, or really pissed the fuck off.....heh, prettier than your boyfriend though.;)

[Dark Star]

Your screen name perplexes me. How would you go about pronouncing something like that?

You do know that "taint" is a slang word for the area between a man's asshole and his balls, right? I'm just sayin'...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=taint

Yeah, the taint is the in between. For a chick...."Taint your ass, taint your pussy but the space in between".

Maybe, taintfuckya just feels caught in between. :p

[swivel]

Great, all we needed was an idiot with nothing constructive to add to our good debates, drops some ridiculous pictures instead, and derails the very threads that keep me interested in the forum.

Welcome back, tobe!

[ZombieBabe]

Welcome back, tobe!Couldn't possibly be. Tobe used proper grammar and spelling and actually pressed the fucking shift key once in a while.

[taintfutcha]

What in the fuck did you do to your pussy, taint?


crikey-getting personal are we now? snort.
tisnt my puss-just a pic i nipped off the net-though i do ha several pussies-one of them black.

i'm well aware of what and where a perineum is-thank you.

it's pronounced as it reads-taint-fut-cha

it's a made up name-to sound giddy/silly/humble; for what is more humble than a taint?

i am of scottish descent and my kin all speak a mixed kettle of fish. i spend most of my time with non english speaking people, therefore, i may converse squint to some.

http://www.evilmilk.com/pictures/The_Burger_King.jpg

[CPL CHUD]

Agree. I still have some things to work on. OK, two. I think what separates us from some others, is that we are at once comfortable with ourselves, but not comfortable with some of our actions, our choices.

Is it arrogant of me to have high expectations of myself and others? Or is the real hubris to want your flaw writ as law?

I think you know that's a rhetorical question. I think that most law makers realize it is as well. Slowly but surely culture slowly crawls toward higher objective moral standards. It's what seperates us from animals.

[taintfutcha]

Great, all we needed was an idiot with nothing constructive to add to our good debates, drops some ridiculous pictures instead, and derails the very threads that keep me interested in the forum.

Welcome back, tobe!

by all means don't let me slow you down-feel free to skip my posts.

[CPL CHUD]

It is kind of derailing though.

[taintfutcha]

the pics are distracting? terribly sorry. i did indeed try to stay n topic. i guess the
finger fucking a dead four year old posts were more to the point-eh.

i was under the impression this was an open forum-if it is not-i should not have been allowed to register and post.

on topic-

i wonder who is drying out all that nice ganj that was confiscated. nice penny there-

[ZombieBabe]

by all means don't let me slow you down-feel free to skip my posts.I won't skip your posts, sweetie. Here, let me show ya:


i am of scottish descent and my kin all speak a mixed kettle of fish. i spend most of my time with non english speaking people, therefore, i may converse squint to some.And yet your IP address is in California.


Get a lot of blimey Scots and such in , do ya?! Be that as it were, the majority of non-English-speaking people you would be around is Mexicans, and I think "taint" in Spanish means something worse than it does in English. Nevertheless, you're a bonny LOOOONG way from Scotland, douchenozzle.

I have a right mind to ban your dumb ass right now, but I don't want to "abuse my power" or some shit, so I'm just going to ignore your lying ass from now on, and I urge the rest of the board to do the same.

[swivel]

by all means don't let me slow you down-feel free to skip my posts.

I'm trying to, but you are one of those brainless twits that can never come up with something clever to say, so you pepper threads with distracting pictures that have a tenuous, at best, relation to the subject at hand.

You are like a retard at the mall. The kind with a helmet, and a steady moan. People are trying to be nice and not stare, but there is the helmet. And the moaning.

Actually, that analogy fails, doesn't it? Because even a retard would figure out how to press the "quote" button now and then. Hell, you would expect an untrained chimp would accidentally use the "quote" button more successfully than you.

And just so you know, this site has infamously only ever banned a single human being in its mighty history. And it was because the idiot couldn't take some advice on making her posts more readable. From the owner of the site. The guy that formatted your first retarded post and tried to give you some advice, which you have ignored so far.

[taintfutcha]

scottish descent you relentlessy squeeling wheel. living in california can be done by decendents of scotland. ban away.

this is all amusingly infantile. someone intrudes and upsets the applecart, as it were?
my ip addy posted on the internet-thanks a bunch there-

the fact that you are a mod. here, is..words cannot describe..

you are as clever as you are witty-snort

cheers

[taintfutcha]

I'm trying to, but you are one of those brainless twits that can never come up with something clever to say, so you pepper threads with distracting pictures that have a tenuous, at best, relation to the subject at hand.

You are like a retard at the mall. The kind with a helmet, and a steady moan. People are trying to be nice and not stare, but there is the helmet. And the moaning.

Actually, that analogy fails, doesn't it? Because even a retard would figure out how to press the "quote" button now and then. Hell, you would expect an untrained chimp would accidentally use the "quote" button more successfully than you.

And just so you know, this site has infamously only ever banned a single human being in its mighty history. And it was because the idiot couldn't take some advice on making her posts more readable. From the owner of the site. The guy that formatted your first retarded post and tried to give you some advice, which you have ignored so far.

morbid has been gracious and accomodating. you have not. not only are you an insufferable toerag-whch i kin you dig on-but you are a bully. it is never attractive and when a bully is tagged, his pseudo intellectual armour cracks easy, as yours has done. as you seem a smart enough fellow, i should think you still quite young. and from there comes the forced bravado and mistaken truths that burst from you like the alien creature. don't threaten me; ban me or quit threatening.

[Morbid]

There will be no banning, and I have no idea why you would post the partial IP and location of taintfutcha, ZB. It doesn't make us look to good when lurkers or outside people see that a mod, during a simple disagreement, would threaten a ban as well as reveal personal info about one of the users. It is completely uncalled for.

Taint, you have not upset the "applecart". Over the years, our forums have seen ups and downs in traffic. But through it all, we have come to expect a certain standards from being a small site. Obviously, I am perfectly aware that the more popular the site gets, the more people will get and the personalities that go along with that. But I will deal with that as it comes...if it comes. But all I ask is if you are finished with a conversation, or topic, and you have resorted to posting pictures as responses, maybe it is time to bow out.

The forum is extremely simple to use, with ready made buttons to do just about whatever you need. Including the QUOTE button which I have mentioned to you on a couple of occasions. Please use it. I don't want to skip your posts, but I cant decipher it when you decide to use your own version of "quoting" someone else.

Differing opinions truly are welcome here. We thrive on it. But all we ask is that you try to conform to the very simple posting practices that the majority of the other member demonstrate.

[taintfutcha]

There will be no banning, and I have no idea why you would post the partial IP and location of taintfutcha, ZB. It doesn't make us look to good when lurkers or outside people see that a mod, during a simple disagreement, would threaten a ban as well as reveal personal info about one of the users. It is completely uncalled for.



Taint, you have not upset the "applecart". Over the years, our forums have seen ups and downs in traffic. But through it all, we have come to expect a certain standards from being a small site. Obviously, I am perfectly aware that the more popular the site gets, the more people will get and the personalities that go along with that. But I will deal with that as it comes...if it comes. But all I ask is if you are finished with a conversation, or topic, and you have resorted to posting pictures as responses, maybe it is time to bow out.

The forum is extremely simple to use, with ready made buttons to do just about whatever you need. Including the QUOTE button which I have mentioned to you on a couple of occasions. Please use it. I don't want to skip your posts, but I cant decipher it when you decide to use your own version of "quoting" someone else.

Differing opinions truly are welcome here. We thrive on it. But all we ask is that you try to conform to the very simple posting practices that the majority of the other member demonstrate.

morbid would you be so kind as to remove my ip addy-thank you

[Morbid]

morbid would you be so kind as to remove my ip addy-thank you

Absolutely. I apologize for that. Even though your full IP was not given, the actual act of doing so should never have happened.

[Morbid]

So, let's get this back on track or leave it be.

[swivel]

Sorry Morbid, I posted this before I read the last page. Please don't ban me!


morbid has been gracious and accomodating. you have not. not only are you an insufferable toerag-whch i kin you dig on-but you are a bully. it is never attractive and when a bully is tagged, his pseudo intellectual armour cracks easy, as yours has done. as you seem a smart enough fellow, i should think you still quite young. and from there comes the forced bravado and mistaken truths that burst from you like the alien creature. don't threaten me; ban me or quit threatening.

I don't want you banned. I didn't want the only person we ever banned, banned. I'm working behind the scenes to make sure that you AREN'T banned. Just as I worked on behalf of the only girl we did ban, to keep her on the site. I begged and pleaded for her to chill out a little bit, modify her posting style, get along with other.

Besides, I'm not a mod. I don't want to be a mod. That way, I can bully people all I want without the site taking flak. But I try to be a bully in very specific sections of this forum, and I get along very well with every single member in every other part of the forum. But the most important thing that I do is bully in a way that entertains, and is easily readable. You bully people like a fucking retard.

Now, please demonstrate where my "pseudo intellectual armor" has cracked. And please go back in the forum and note that my beef isn't with how incredibly stupid you come across, but your inability to use the tools the forum provides to make your posts readable.

Finally, I'm glad you joined, and I hope to see our population grow, but I do not want to sacrafice our quality just for mere quantity. There are thousands of forums overrun with people who post the same un-funny pics everyone has already seen. People who pretend that age determines the worth of a post. People who think that being loud is the same as being correct. It would sadden me to see this forum conform to that extremely low standard.

[ZombieBabe]

Finally, I'm glad you joined, and I hope to see our population grow, but I do not want to sacrafice our quality just for mere quantity. There are thousands of forums overrun with people who post the same un-funny pics everyone has already seen. People who pretend that age determines the worth of a post. People who think that being loud is the same as being correct. It would sadden me to see this forum conform to that extremely low standard.This was my whole point, but it's moot now.

I have been stripped of my mod status over this little incident, because I posted part of something that anyone could find out if they wanted to, all to expose a liar. Beautiful. After being a faithful member here for years, I am now being treated like a child. Enjoy your site and your shiny new member.

[swivel]

So, what do you guys want to talk about?

*rolls a joint*

[impqueen]

So, what do you guys want to talk about?

*rolls a joint*

The Whitest Kids U Know? That Trevor boy is hot.

(and it's topical.) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONnIjTQ_YK0)

[The Diabolical Mr. Lieman]

And I like sticking my fingers in dead 4-year-olds! Woo-Hoo!

Hey, they are already dead, why should this be illegal! Besides, it is FUN!!!!

Yay, Yay, Yay, everyone do whatever you feel like! WOOO-HOOO!

And pretend it has something to do with a political or moral philosophy, that way you sound smart, instead of looking like a slack-willed hedonistic piece of shit! Just say you are a Libertarian!!! YIPPEE!!!



I was drinking coke when I was reading this--as in, the fluids were travelling down my throat, when then, I spit it up all over the table.

This gets post of the month for me. Ahhh, I SO seldomly ever really actually laugh at posts, but this got me.

Gold winner here.

[ZombieBabe]

This is my official apology for acting like a whiny baby. I handled the whole situation wrong and I'm sorry. The whole thing was a misunderstanding and I'm sorry that Morbid was put in such a precarious position.

As for my threat to ban the guy, I wanted to point out that we have banned people for lesser offenses (K--ka, for instance). I would never outright ban someone without putting it to the rest of the mods first, but what I was getting at was that the dude was on his way to getting honorable mention on the moderator section and it came out wrong. Regardless, I should have handled it with a little more couth. Whether or not Morbid ever decides to reinstate me as a mod, it will not happen again.

Since taint seems to aggravate people, intentionally or not, I have put him/her/it on my ignore list, and I encourage everyone to use this nifty feature if there is a member who's crap you're tired of reading - including mine.

This will be my last post on the subject, and I will leave my whiny bullshit up for all to read in hopes that someday, someway, someone will learn from my example (of what NOT to do). :oops: If I was a mod, I would lock this thread and let it sink to the bottom depths of hell where it belongs. Could you do that for me please, someone?


Now, someone pass me the bong! :D